Does Supercharging DESTROY Tesla Battery? | Tesla Range Loss

Does supercharging your Tesla EV lead to range loss and shorter battery life? In this video I wade through the data to help answer this question.
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[@justrandomthings319]

I supercharge exclusively and my battery is still fine.

[@AlphaRaine]

Thanks so much for this. I’m getting my MYLR next week and live in an apartment, so supercharging is my only option at the moment. The good news is i’m guessing i’ll only need to charge once every 3 weeks or so. This put my mind at ease.

[@isaacsanchez7997]

Any updates?

[@Iamrjayhd]

You’ll be charging more than 3x a week, that’s the truth so many factors can drain the battery

[@Mr.Atlanta850]

IF you are going to be driving that Car EVERY DAY. You will be charging More than 3× a week. Only charged it to 85% 🗣 NO MORE.

[@sbjin87]

lol once every three weeks.. it’s going to be more like three times every week. I live in an apt and my commute is 10 miles one way.. that’s pretty much the only driving I do besides going to the gym or the groceries, all within 5 miles of home. Battery goes from 80 to the 20s in three days. The advertised range is not reflective of real world driving at all.

[@jamaaldavis6243]

Any updates?

[@walooo]

I find it really odd that people fret over losing 20-30miles of range after several years, while promoting the solution of charging to 90% which means you've already given yourself the 10% degradation up front. 🤔

[@JensSchraeder]

Hahahaha. You’re gonna lose a lot more than that. You can’t beat the laws of physics

[@ProCSRman]

As if ice vehicles don’t lose mpg as they age.

[@dyeace]

​@@ProCSRmanexcept they do ya dingus

[@JoshuaMcTackett]

@@dyeacethe comment you replied to was ironic. Obviously ICE vehicles lose MPG effectively reducing their range over time as well. It’s just something nobody calculates or gives any time to.

[@Coyote.five.0]

​@@JoshuaMcTackettyes they loose like what 1 or 2 or 3 mpg and they go down in range what from 450 miles to 440 miles in a span of 15 years i say we are good to go .

[@PhuNguyen-bi7pi]

Thanks for the info. I was fretting a bit over not having home charging and solely relying on supercharging. Now I can sleep in peace

[@MrMarko4]

And how has it gone 7 months later?, I’m buying one next week and most likely supercharging only too.

[@PhuNguyen-bi7pi]

@@MrMarko4 It's going fine. But I also charge with level 2

[@MrMarko4]

@@PhuNguyen-bi7pi which level 2 chargers are the best ones to go to?. Do you charge to 100?, cheers for replying, very useful.

[@PhuNguyen-bi7pi]

@@MrMarko4 I live in BC, Canada. I use ChargePoint near my house. It gains 10% per hour (also $1/h). Yes I do charge to 100% at least once a week

[@aussietaipan8700]

I have an 8 year old model S 85 which I recently purchased and I know from the previous owners, the car has only been supercharged twice on its life. I recently had a CCS2 retrofit and the service center also performed a full car check including battery health of which the stated in writing the car is in near perfect condition. I drove the car 112km, the car at the start had a range of 346 km, at the destination the range was 244 km. I love this car and am confident the battery will stay good for quite a while.

[@Aggie4life77]

I was wondering what results were for an electric car this age. This is promising. I’m in the market for a used electric car(2 years~) and I was thinking the battery might be at 50 percent charge lol!

[@miladformoli9088]

Man thank I only do supercharging all the time I try to keep it between 20% to 90% and this just came in my mind if it’s okay to do it everyday but this video helped

[@mr88cet]

Excellent data and reasonable advice! Thanks. Thankfully, I am able to slow-charge at home, and I can get away with keeping the day-to-day charge limit at 50%. The difference in battery stress between 50% and 80%, while not _huge_ , can be substantial if you keep it in the 80% range every single day. However, there is a certain short road trip that I take periodically. I have historically slow-charged the battery up to 100% prior to taking that trip and immediately started burning it right away. Then, after burning it down to 85% or so, I stop for a snack and bathroom break, during which time, it supercharges back up to 100%. I’d stop there for the bathroom and snack break, charge or not; charging is just a “may as well” side benefit. Then I do the majority of the trip. I think I’ll change my policy, on that trip at least, to charging it up to 95% just to give it a little more charging margin. I find that I usually get to my destination with around 45% battery remaining, so cutting that down to 40% is probably workable.

[@longboardfella5306]

That's very helpful - I live in a highrise in Australia and at present no options for slow charging at home - but there is a supercharger not far from where I live. I was discouraged from buying a Tesla due to concern over supercharging killing the battery - seems to be not much of an issue.

[@DarrylFranklinGetawaySailing]

Hi Jon look into High Purity Alumina (HPA) It is currently used in some higher grade Li batteries as a separator and sometimes within the anode. From my research I believe HPA will become a favourite for battery manufacturers as it allows fast charging, fire safety, longevity of the cycle life. There are companies now looking at HPA doped graphite anode’s which allow the anode to absorb more Li ions as there is far more available locations for the ion. Far less plating occurs when HPA is introduced to the chemistry.

[@allanpedersen5755]

I drove 36.000 km over 3½ year Tesla 3 LR RWD - only supercharging. From new EPA 520 km range, now 500 km range. Only to 100% 3 times, normally 80% to 90%.

[@adisurd]

You use both EPA and km in one sentence. I don’t believe you. You are fake 😂

[@atifkm09]

Do you have LFP battery or older one?

[@bardz0sz]

@@atifkm09LR is NMA (no LFP for LR)

[@harmanghotra3761]

I drove 40K miles within 6 months, supercharged it 100% of the times upto 85ish, from 301epa now it is 271epa. (tesla model y performace 2023)

[@CliffordMiemban]

Fact: As a TESLA Lead technician, here’s what y’all need to do, when going to do a LONG DRIVE, charge it to 100% the night before your Road Trip, then when you’re already on the road, CHARGE IT until 80% (don’t go beyond that, as after that percentage, the charging is much slower, than from 20% - 80%, so y’all just wasting y’all time, and also making your battery suffers from degradation overtime. That’s what every TESLA owner MUST DO, every time y’all have a LONG DRIVE (ROAD TRIP). Have a great day to y’all!

[@filipbalas495]

Easy to say difficult to do - I was half way through my meal when the thing was at 80% SOC.

[@philmarsh7723]

Nice to hear that. I just got a Model Y LR and I rarely drive around town - use a bike for that. I will likely put on most of my miles on long road trips, which means DC fast charging.

[@georgepelton5645]

Jon, Great job reviewing the available info and great advice to owners at the end. 😀

[@djnavari]

Fantastic technical topics over the last 4 months!! 😊

[@jonathanwiliams4993]

I supercharge my model 3 all the time. I've had my performance dual motor for 4 years and Ihave 155k on the odometer. . Im getting 263 mi now. Its getting colder. I was getting 270 mi in the summer

[@Cleanerwatt]

What was the range when new? What year/Wheels?

[@jonathanwiliams4993]

And I got the first comment! Whoo hooo! Go me!!! Lol

[@nordic5490]

The answer is: there is a 10yr old modelS in Norway that still has 95% of its original battery capacity after 10yrs. This car has never been super charged. There is your answer.

[@jonathanwiliams4993]

@@Cleanerwatt i never really could nail that down. I didn't understand what I should be getting back then. But i swear it was like 290 or something. I never got 325 since I have th3 dual motor performance

[@jonathanwiliams4993]

2018. 19 inch wheels

[@themikelewis94]

Great video. Clearly presented with minimum of fluff and lots of supporting data.

[@danielvandermerwe7921]

Expert here : When home always charge to 50% SOC. Don’t go over 75% or below 30%. This is for maximum longevity. Right before you leave charge from 50% to whatever you need. The charge back up to 50%.

[@ceeIoc]

If I charge to 50%. And at the end of the next day, it’s at 40%. Should I charge back up to 50% or wait until it is 30% for example? I live in an apartment so can’t keep it plugged in all the time.

[@Top12Boardsport]

Charging take twice as long now on our 2014 and 2015 year models with over 300.000km driven in each and majority of charges done at SuC.

[@johannesdolch]

Be aware that some Manufacturers partially forego certain battery preservation measures to have better charge times on Paper. E. G. Often a Tesla will take very long to go from 95% to 100% because batteries get very sensitive when almost full. Other manufacturers just power through which looks impressive but probably isn't so great for your Battery. I'd rather stop at 95% and save my Battery life.

[@johannesdolch]

You can easily see how good Tesla's Battery Management is when you compare the charge times of a BYD Blade battery in a Model Y RWD vs the same battery in a BYD Car.

[@finishstrongcycling2355]

I noted an interesting potential correlation between the average C rate and the warranty length. Perhaps owners with shorter warranties can increase battery longevity by keeping the C rate lower.

[@leetjohnson]

2019 Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor. I drive a lot...probably 50% supercharging, 50% at home. I put 102,000 miles on my first battery pack which was just replaced under warranty for free, by Tesla. My range went from 310 to 262 in just under 4 years and approxiamately 100,000 miles. New battery has a max of 310 miles again. Luckily, the standard warranty for battery and drivetrain is 120,000 miles. For what it's worth, I drive my vehicle fast and I also have the $2k performance upgrade, had it since about 12,000 miles.

[@leetjohnson]

Also, I have the 19 inch wheels.

[@Widmer09]

Did your battery die or just its capacity degraded enough to claim the warranty for a new battery?

[@leetjohnson]

@@Widmer09 thr battery just degraded to a point Tesla felt it would be better to replace it. Possibly for safety?

[@Widmer09]

@@leetjohnson Thanks for letting me know. I think Battery degradation % is part of warranty agreements. Good to know that it didn’t just die.

[@leetjohnson]

@@Widmer09 yeah, I was surprised they were willing to warranty it....didn't seem terrible to me, but a notice to have it checked popped up. I also ran the battery to zero twice, so that obviously shouldn't happen, but I was pushing it, like a dummy.

[@noleftturns]

Fantastic video - will mark it for future reference. Thanks

[@JoesPhenomenal]

Thanks for the great video! I've had my 3LR for about 9 months. I had to use a supercharger a grand total of 4 times. Once on a road trip when I first got it and just didn't want to worry about my range coming coming home, and the other 3 times were just me forgetting to charge at home for whatever reason. Staying in town, there really isn't any reason to ever have to use a supercharger at all anyways, as long as you aren't an idiot like me and forget. LOL. It's nice to know that the superchargers aren't really killing my car, though. I always worry about that. The climate here in Vegas it probably going to do that a bit over time though.

[@PATTT_]

I actually work on electric charge co. and we work on batteries all the time, the truth is that I have no idea what im talking about, but I do have a model Y and I love to drive it around.

[@tonyadigitalnorway1155]

Here in Norway I have an 8 year old Model S 85 and due to the ridiculous cost of electricity in the last 12 months I have been using supercharging exclusively. I constantly monitor my battery health and always keep it between 20% and 80% and I drive a lot. I still get over 440 km according to the app although that's not what I get IRL which is realistically around 280 before I supercharge as I have to condition the battery due to the extreme cold. The only thing I have noticed is the vampire drain is around 1% per 24 hours in the winter when it's minus 15 centigrade outside (I have no garage). I use the defrost function every morning for about 20 minutes before I plan to depart or else my windows freeze solid and won't drop down for the door to open. Supercharging doesn't worry me as my insurance fully covers the battery and drive unit should they fail. The essential apps to have are Tessie, Scan My Tesla and Watt Time (on my Samsung Galaxy 4 SmartWatch) along with the official Tesla app of course. Tried the "Wear For Tesla" app but found it kept having trouble communicating with the car too often to be trusted.

[@pkerry12]

it would be much cheaper if you just let Russia provide the electricity then the problem is solved.

[@luislehmann9929]

i have a 2014 model s p85d with ludicrous+, i've been ''supercharging only'' for the past year plus 9 months. the battery is just as good as it was almost 2 years ago. still gives me 236 miles at 100%. i charge it up to 75% one day at the superchargers, then the other 25 or so % the next day, or at work. that seems to have worked.

[@TheBrody92]

What?

[@FinalGlideAus]

If you are worried about supercharging too much then you should have also been overly worried if your ICE car went 500km over its service interval

[@Grandmasterjord]

I don’t know anyone that wouldn’t be worried about that. Maybe a child that just started driving or something but 99% of people I know don’t take their car 500k over their recommended maintenance in the manual. Haha

[@FinalGlideAus]

@@Grandmasterjord I rarely see a car serviced within 500km of its service requirement. It’s usually a thousand or two I’m overdue.

[@Grandmasterjord]

@@FinalGlideAus Oh my bad. I read it wrong. I thought you said 500k over. Meaning 500,000 over. Which is just ridiculous. Comes from being in America where we use miles and not kilometers.

[@judeghazaleh3457]

DC current is much more gentle on the battery than AC current, even when AC is converted to DC. Key to Long battery life is slower charging, and minimal use of the batteries total capacity. The most ideal type of charge would be slow DC charging, but that's rarely available. Most of the time, the sole purpose of DC charging is to reduce charge time.

[@volodymyr8928]

Really good and informative video. Thank you so much.

[@dougholmes6631]

I took delivery of a 2022 model Y performance in February of this year. I’ve put over 21,000 miles on it so far and I’ve seen 16 miles lost from when it was new. About a 5% loss

[@dougholmes6631]

By the way I super charge my tesla twice weekly. Due to the miles I travel on the weekend visiting my grandchildren.

[@mathieusturkenboom]

@@dougholmes6631 mine has zero degradtion after 40k miles and i only supercharged three times. december 2021 delivery so i guess the supercharging does affect battery

[@dougholmes6631]

@@mathieusturkenboom I would agree.

[@nabilhijazi6131]

I had my MS since mid March I put on it 12k kms & has lost 4.9 % ( around 20 km of range), Tesla advised me to calibrate the battery by charging from below 10% to 100% & that should restore my original 555 km range. N.b I supercharge 2-3 times a month

[@tianjohan4633]

Is there any tried and tested tips people should know about for added longevity for the battery pack? What SOC is best for storage? Say you travel half the year, and the rest of the year car is in daily use? What about cut off voltage when charging? How low can you go on the pack without affecting longevity? I know in the early days there was a 80/20 rule. Don't charge above 80 and don't discharge below 20. Is that still a rule?

[@mesaber86]

Probably 50%. Never let it deep discharge though like -5% or worse. Check YT Teslabjorn for app and how its used to see stats of the car. You can check his zero mile test too to see how much bottom buffer you have and how Tesla displays this (not at all).

[@Chainyanker007]

When I travel overseas and gone for 2-3 weeks I leave my MS plugged in at home and set the charge level to 50%. I’ll take it to below 50% before my trip.

[@starting5524]

Well I don't loose milage on my gas or hybrid car. I think a fair trade off would be if they included the 20% degradation in battery capacity into the price.

[@MrStlover99]

Im on 2nd battery at 81k miles, I'm now wprried. I have to charge everyday. Maybe I'll go to 80 instead of 90

[@SunRise-ul7ko]

I've gone back to an ICE car in Australia. The distances are to vast, not enough chargers & I can't afford to wait around, for it to change on road trips.

[@slot9]

Very helpful! Thank you.

[@theelectricisraeli]

great video Jon

[@Xuzyy]

I don’t know, I mean all they do is lower kw used for charging which in turns raises the minutes it would take, then take into account for good battery health it should not be charged more than 80% and thr fact that already a tesla does half km with a full charge compared to a normal diesel engine with 50 liters in the tank, doesn’t seem incredibly cleaver to be considered “the future”. I suppose normally to fully charge a tesla at home I would spend less than to have a full tank of diesel and the electric car is more efficient but still I don’t see how this can be the future, needs to be improved heavily

[@dickhusted6813]

Thanks for this informative video!

[@Vegitobluuuuu]

The new LFP battery in Tesla can be charged fully %100 with no problem or degradation in charging cycles and battery health. In fact Tesla recommends charging the new LFP batteries to full capacity. But I don’t know if fast charging those batteries would hurt them. I know they last longer than conventional lithium batteries and can resist more heat and colder conditions

[@tjxoom1]

My 2013 S 85 has over 220k miles. I don't pay attention when I supercharge or not. My current range is 230 miles. Which is a degradation of 13.2%. Current temperature here is 114 degrees.

[@weariedcleric6306]

Are you in Phoenix? I just bought a P85

[@garyrooksby]

Fabulous facts rather than FUD

[@mkrchowdari9901]

Does this mean that if you have a LFP Tesla supercharging daily will not have any impact on how fast your battery degrades and it's going to be the same as charging at home?

[@Dogman3690]

Great video to help Tesla owners have a longer lasting clean, efficient machines when super charging.

[@chrisraper6181]

I've heard someone say that for NMC Tesla batteries, they can be charged to 100% with negligible damage as long as the batteries are not left in this condition overnight or longer. In other words, what matters is the time spent at high levels of charge, not simply reaching a high state of charge. Is this credible advice? Also, is the same true for low states of charge (less than 20%)?

[@w0ttheh3ll]

both staying at high states of charge and charging to high states of charge lead to faster degradation via separate mechanisms.

[@essentials1016]

ALL Lithium Batteries dont like being charged over 80%. If you still do charge them over 80% often you will get high degradation.

[@georgesackinger2002]

Big subject and very complicated. Nice job of reporting.

[@cesardelgado6100]

Very helpfull thank t You..👍🏻

[@thirsty3333]

18 % range loss for me with 256k miles on a p85D MS 😢

[@alymcdonalds]

Thank you so much

[@Diy_Papi]

Love the contact brother appreciate it

[@douggolde7582]

Depth and hieght of charge is more important than rate.

[@Cleanerwatt]

I agree completely!

[@tibsyy895]

Battery charger rage should be counted and advertise as an average charging rate from 10 to 90%!

[@henryberg2155]

I know taxi drivers who has relaced their battery twice before 100k because of super charger

[@gudmgu]

Thanks

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🤗👍THANKS JON , FOR HELPING SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT 💚💚💚

[@babaluto]

Interesting that there was no mention of the very different charging characteristics between the NMC vs the LFP. The LFP do not need charge throttling and can be fast charged to 100% without degradation unlike the NMC which need throttling to avoid degradation. A BMS difference is the LFP cannot be balanced until they reach 96-97% SOC unlike the NMC which can be balanced at any SOC. The NMC packs are much more conducive to fast charging, meaning you can take up much more KWHs during a charging session, giving you much more effective range between charges while on a long trip. Tesla has recommended maintaining battery packs between 30-80% for long term optimum health with the NMC. Where the LFP are not degraded by 0-100% usage, thereby giving a much more useable range for the same size pack. Of course the trade offs have been energy density but that's about it. With a significant lower cost and nearly three times the longevity, increased safety, seems like a no brainer. Cheers.

[@mifino]

Any source? I'm having hard time finding reliable sources on information regarding degradation of LFP during supercharging

[@babaluto]

@@mifino That is a very good question regarding supercharging. Of which I cannot directly refer to any documentation. What I can say is LFPs are normally rated at 1C, which means that version will charge from 0-100% in one hour. I have seen higher charge rates in smaller cylindrical formats like the 32650 LFP rated at 2C. These were used in electric buses and made by A123 Systems. The main limiting factor in charging is thermal management and being that LFP batteries have a significantly lower internal resistance, there is less cause for heat. I'm sure I'm missing some points on this but I hope this helps.

[@atifkm09]

Hi, What is your opinion to charge NMC battery with level 3 charger at home.

[@babaluto]

​@@atifkm09unless specifically stated, LFP cells are 1C.

[@atifkm09]

@babaluto sorry i just bought a car today and not sure what you meant by 1C. Would you explain is it better to install level 3 charger or use 220v or 110V comes with it. Mine is NMC battery.

[@Jeddin]

You alluded to all of this but I think it’s worth reiterating that if you are going to supercharge, you should try to avoid super charging while it’s too hot too cold or above 80% SOC. There’s a reason that Ford and other manufacturers severely throttle DC fast charging above 80% and that’s to preserve battery longevity.

[@Johnny2Feathers]

Tesla’s have always adjusted charging speeds throughout the entire charge curve and the only ev’s I know that precondition the battery on its way to supercharger using navigation so it’s at the optimal charging condition when you arrive.

[@terenceiutzi4003]

And tesla is the company that uses 40 year out of date Lithium ion batteries

[@Johnny2Feathers]

@@terenceiutzi4003 boy you people just love bad information. Try Teslas have the best and most advanced battery chemistries of all evs. Hence the both the most power and range per kilowatt.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

​@@Johnny2Feathersno they donot lol!!!

[@Johnny2Feathers]

@@carholic-sz3qv yes they do

[@clarklittle2098]

Thanks!

[@christophersmith5303]

I know this is an older video, but given that all EV's will now be able to access the Tesla superchargers how is this going to impact non-Tesla EV's which do not have the "institutional knowledge" of Tesla or their BMS?

[@djtommy1227]

X owner 99.9% supercharge keep battery range 30-90% 8yrs still great.

[@andrewt9204]

Another channel where he only supercharged while running an Uber service had his battery die at about 150K miles. He said he never plugged into AC power one time though. Plugging into AC power and charging to 100% every so often performs a top balance of the pack, which is important on a pack with so many cells. I'm sure he could have gotten another 100K out of it if he could have AC charged for several hours just once a month or so. Well, as long as it was due to heavy cell imbalance, and not a faulty pack, which I don't think it was if it went that far already. I don't know if the car performs active balancing if you leave it plugged in below a 100% target, but would be good if it did. It won't be perfect, but far better than nothing. I mostly AC charge and leave my target at 85% in winter, 75% in summer. Then once every few months I set it to 100% for a night and let it do its thing. So far I have ~4-5% degradation after 30K miles. So looks like I should be on track to be in the average degradation curve.

[@gordonn4915]

Is there data on low use? I only drive 5k miles a year and the car would be plugged in level 2 for a week per use.

[@miquelTesla]

super charged for one trip that took 600 miles with exclusively tesla supercharger and the range went from 135 to 122 ... the car has 53k miles. And its got more than 13% degradation. Their statement... idk

[@MrStlover99]

My model y now takes 1 hour 40 minutes to charge from 20% to 90%

[@johannesdolch]

Dont forget that Tesla also has a mission: To replace ICE cars as fast as possible. Every Battery Pack that needs to be replaced means that replacement pack cannot be put in a new car.

[@thebayareakidsclub]

digging the empty apartment vibe

[@heinzbongwasser2715]

Is the background really your room? Looks very nice....

[@101rotarypower]

Average capacity and retention, why does the Y and 3 diverge? Any underlying reason, seems like the S and X would be analogous extrapolation, yet the loss is inverted.

[@Cleanerwatt]

My guess is when they grade battery cells (based on performance characteristics) the Model Y may receive the higher grade cells? This is just a wild guess, so others please share your opinion on this.

[@101rotarypower]

@@Cleanerwatt Really good topic, would love more clear deep dives on this topic, lot of hearsay and noise to juggle. Anything to help clarify or quantify what things amplify degradation and how to optimize "normal use" if only to understand and potentially make better decisions. If possible, Expanding on environmental temperature, and understanding if its "strictly" when charging, or at SOC+time VS temperature , or charge rate VS environmental temperature. Read people are seeing/reporting a noticeable reduction in degradation in "temperate areas" , not sure if that is purely due to charging, SOC, or other less clear factors. One thing seems clear, temperature the vehicle is operated in seems to have a noticeable effect, but not clear where it matters most, or if there are any 1:1 comparisons that can be made to clarify why.

[@EinzigfreierName]

I think it's really strange that Model X should have so much higher degradation compared to Model S. Unless there's a very good explanation for this, this makes me question the credibility of that data.

[@nakatran]

my Tesla model 3 - 3 months old tesla 100 range decreased from 439km to 436km after 1 month using DC charging - not very fast - 21KWH. is it a bad signal? i use it to top up my tesla daily - 50km per day

[@PersonalUseChannel]

Tesla's claim on the range is very wrong on LR. 1st year of driving, no matter where you charge you'll lose about 10~20 miles of range. After 1 year later, you'll see the degradation slows down. So if Tesla claims that it has 347 miles on a full charge, the actual range is probably around 320.

[@marc-andreravioli1379]

Can you do a video on charging NMC batteries to 80% daily vs 90 and 100% daily? Curious about this

[@marc-andreravioli1379]

Probably harder to get this data though. And perhaps it wouldn’t be as interesting to most people. But I’m curious about it since I travel long distances a lot. So charging to 80 or 90% goes through my head a lot every time I plug in at a 7 or 11 kw ChargePoint while traveling

[@Cleanerwatt]

Much harder at this time - but it will be a great topic in the future!

[@raffiboi22]

I purchased a Tesla model three performance last October. I rarely fast charge as I have a Tesla charger at work… only charge up to 90%… 90% at time of delivery was 283 miles now 90% range is from 251 miles to 255 miles… That’s a big drop in just one year and two months…is this something to worry about?

[@Grandmasterjord]

Try recalibrating the battery by discharging until around 10-15% and then charging it all the way up to 100%. Apparently Tesla recommends that for early degradation issues as it might be a bug in the calibration.

[@pogo1140]

So what kind of battery degradation at 45,052 miles/year 20-26 supercharger/fast charger sessions per month? looking at my annual mileage that Tesla battery warranty expires by year 3.

[@junyaojiang1984]

Hi, that is very helpful. Recently I got long range model y 2023 for Uber delivery, but I have to use supercharger all the time every day. So what is the good supercharging habit for my car, should I wait unit the battery around 20% or 30% and to 80%?

[@0721dessertwillow]

Hey have you found a charging pattern that works for you. I also do food delivery and was thinking about getting a Tesla. Thx

[@trumplostlol3007]

The high charging current is bad for lithium ion batteries. Besides, state of capacity, you have also charging efficiency, and discharging efficiency. Your battery will lose its maximum capacity over time. It will be charged slower using more electricity to charge and delivering less electricity making your car lose in power and run shorter mileage. SOH is only about battery capacity. You car may need to charge much longer using up more electricity and can run much shorter distance. So, by the end of 100,000 miles will be pretty bad if you are in either hot or cold areas.

[@epcalderhead]

I wonder if *how* you Supercharge makes a difference? While this is only one data point, I find it worth considering. One Model 3 owner showed a video with his car at 130k miles on an early LR RWD Model 3 (just under 12k VIN). He had to charge to 100% and showed 303 miles of range. He Supercharges 98% of the time as he crisscrosses America, but stays between 70-30% SOC whenever possible, unless range needs dictate otherwise. He’ll charge to 100% if needed and go to 0% if that’s the only option. He pointed out in another video his car showed 310 miles of range when new and he never saw any of the range bumps to 325 miles from software updates. I also have a LR RWD, a 2019 model, but it only has 24k on the odometer. Looking at my stats via ScanMyTesla, 63% of my charging has been L2 and 37% has been L3 because this is our road trip car. My car sits from 30-50% SOC between trips and is charged to whatever is needed. Locally that often is only to 60%. My goal too is to stay between 70-30% SOC as much as possible. As of this comment my car is still showing 310 miles of rated range. I did get the software bump to 325 miles. Analyzing a recent road 3k mile road trip with data from TeslaMate, it showed I was able to stay in the 70-30% SOC range for the entire trip except for 7 times I dipped below 30% SOC and 5 times I went above 70% SOC, with the highest level being 86%. The lowest was 16% SOC.

[@jasonfranciosa]

Interesting that the Model 3 RWD with LFP packs has a faster charge rate than the 2170's.

[@samuelprice538]

The graph was slightly misleading as it wasn't normalised for battery size. A bigger battery can take higher charge rate than a smaller one.

[@jasonfranciosa]

@@samuelprice538 No it's not, The graph shows "c" rate. C rate is regardless of pack size. The LFP Battery has a higher C rate (Charge rate) than the non LFP. You will get more miles per minute into the pack on average according to that chart. Add in the fact that the RWD Model is significantly more efficient than the AWD models and you get quite an advantage.

[@samuelprice538]

@@jasonfranciosa sorry I thought you were talking about this graph. kzbin.infoUgkxbPUsJlqCwUWPTV1scCnzzBMe0wyL7J3s

[@jasonfranciosa]

@@samuelprice538 No, the Charging power graph. The other graph is hard to tell, the C-Rate is what matters for how quickly a battery charges. Combined with the faster charge rate and better efficiency, There's many scenarios where the RWD will get you to a destination faster than a LR model.

[@ShadowOfAchilles]

Answer is: No.

[@FiDelZarlar]

🙏

[@IKnowAGuyLLC]

Did you say Tessy??what?

[@harveypaxton1232]

If they were so good then TESLA would make all their chargers fast chargers.

[@hunternewberry5860]

why in the hell would a tesla owner care about other EV'degradation

[@waynerussell6401]

IMPORTANT - calculation of degradation is a difficult and time-consuming task. You cannot just read it off the BMS system. Which means all the reportage is faulty! ONLY full charging and discharging on a level circuit at a steady moderate speed without stops will do it. Take Bjorn's advice:- kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX7LaXybYpKLbqc

[@navisnow714]

my car took a shit after 80k miles had to buy another batt and they absolutely couldn't care less, they even asked me if i wanted to tow my car😡 i was quite mad when they said that like F YOU TESLA!!!

[@cazu2479]

😂

[@dyeace]

User error

[@JensSchraeder]

I love how these fanboys think that somehow think Tesla batteries somehow circumvent the laws of physics

[@mortentefre7760]

According to Teslabjørn it seems Teslas have more unused battery capacity than others. That must be a factor.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Wrong!!!! That's totally false!!! Many manufacturers have much bigger buffer than tesla

[@lazziebardakos2956]

I would not believe anything that Tesla suggests. They will obviously prefer you charge your car on their network rather than at home. It's all about the $$$

[@jasonbroom7147]

The faster you charge a battery, the faster your battery suffers degradation of capacity. Yes, the BMS can mitigate the rate of degradation, but it cannot change the fact that, all other things being equal, charging more slowly increases the life-cycle of NMC batteries, and really all battery chemistries. The Tessie data is not what I would consider accurate or legitimate, given that it conflicts with so many other data points, and flies in the face of documented science.

[@curtis4176]

Why don’t you have any furniture?

[@curo77dabbler18]

There you go again, trying to feed us with your FUD snake-oil.

[@MadmaxMusic93]

The battery degradation does Happen when you regularly charge it supercharging it!!! Today i charged it an lost another mile... Tesla n elon musk are lying, this is a user that has ahd the car for over a year now

[@MadmaxMusic93]

Want a simple answer Yes it does, from tesla directly you use supercharging daily it will ruin a battery very very quick 272 now down to 269 I only just under 3,000 miles on my car, it absolutely destroys your battery regularly charging it like that