Liz Truss to blame for Conservatives' damning election defeat as voters 'ruthlessly' reject Tories

“If anybody is going to pay the price for the Conservative Party's defeat, it’s correct that it should be those people.”
As the Conservative Party wakes up to losses of 251 seats and a landslide Labour victory, Tory peer Daniel Finkelstein says it’s right that Liz Truss and her allies “pay the price” for the crushing defeat.
Meanwhile, Peter Mandelson congratulates the British public on the ‘ruthless’ deposition of the Conservative government, and Polly Mackenzie celebrates the surge of the smaller parties.
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[@SimonSmith-yd6tt]

It's not just Truss it was her backers at the ERG and the rest of Tufton St. they bragged how her and Kwasi Kwarteng budget was theirs and theirs alone. Sleep with the dogs and wake with the fleas

[@frankshailes3205]

What is Tufton Street going to be doing from now on?

[@JohnSmall314]

@@frankshailes3205 "What is Tufton Street going to be doing from now on?" Same old propaganda about trickle down economics. Fancy theories about how letting rich people hoard all the wealth in the country will improve everyone's lives.

[@patmann9363]

Unless your a lizard...

[@Rejoin_2023]

@@frankshailes3205 I suspect they will back Reform from now on

[@markwelch3564]

​@@Rejoin_2023 they always have, I suspect

[@chrisperry3430]

It is not her paying the price, but the UK tax payer subsidising her over generous, undeserved pension

[@philipd8868]

The UK also paying in increased mortgages

[@PeterWheeler-s8l]

​@@iaincrawford5472 who else did it but her....

[@talkwench340]

Absolutely disgusted, there should be a minimum term served to receive that pension. She should be made to forfeit it.

[@WilliamMacKenzie-dq6bf]

​@@iaincrawford5472 She accepted the job of Prime Minister.. The buck stops at her....end of.!!

[@WilliamMacKenzie-dq6bf]

​@@talkwench340 Believe there is a minimum term served to receive that pension...2 months...and tRuss was only in for 45 days....

[@Watchtuber7868]

It's not only liz truss, was also Boris's partying, lying and braking rules.

[@marcuswalters8093]

Exactly. It's like blaming the sneeze for snow avalanche. The snow has been piling up and it would be inevitable that it was going to come. If it wasn't one thing to trigger it, something else would.

[@Sjb2077]

Agree but I am old enough to know none of the Parties are blameless. You see you probably don’t know or remember Geremy Thorpe , leader of the Liberals. I’m not going to tell you that scandal you can find out for yourself. So caution in what you believe.

[@mnomadvfx]

Blaming Truss for this when she was in power for mere months is just obvious deflection. Theresa May and Boris Johnson are the main culprits. And Cameron for allowing Brexit to happen, thus cratering Tory support in Scotland after promising that UK would stay within the EU before the Scottish independence referendum in 2014.

[@jools2323]

It's not just Liz Truss, it's the whole lot of them.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

MURDOCH

[@trevorroberts9584]

Indeed. Truss is an ar*e, but the conservative activists and the Moggite monsters are to blame as well. They were responsible for foistering Johnson, Truss, and the rest of that sorry crew on the rest of us.

[@edsr164]

Oh but she carried the heavy weight

[@UnitG2]

It's picking buffoons as leaders, first by the electorate in 2019 then the Tories picked Truss. Sunack was not a buffoon but he made misstep after misstep starting with Braverman.

[@kennethholmes6991]

Yes he was and is​@@UnitG2

[@ekhballantine8011]

So glad the Tories like Suella as a leader - there's a kiss of death for them. What a gift for Kier Starmer.

[@ianinkster2261]

Eh? The sacking of Suella and the rehiring of Cameron was the final nail in their coffin. It was a hundred preceding moves and coups in the same direction , which drive the Tories into ground.

[@slicklandy7819]

thought Liz was bad, Suella far worse

[@vivwindsor4055]

Liz Truss can now go and visit her friend Steve Bannon in prison.

[@BiggusDiggusable]

Badenoch is going to get found out pretty quick if she gets the leadership. Shes not half as bright as she thinkks she is and she doesnt know how to handle the split in the Tories. Lets hope she does become leader.

[@raphaelnik]

Cameron and Osborne did the most damage. With austerity that the country has not recovered from. And they paved the way for a load of nutters like Truss, Rees Mogg, Patel etc. to have prominent positions in the party. A pair of scoundrels.

[@t.dmytryshyn2615]

Well both Truss and Rees Mogg are out so that's a good start.

[@jl8217]

Agree 100% And the final irony is that despite years of austerity, food banks, cost of living crisis, crumbling schools record hospital waiting lists the national debt was not reduced.

[@terencerowberry2444]

Don't forget Thatcher , and her badly thought through selling off council houses, just to ensure prolonging her term in office and not thinking of the consequences.

[@thecheesefactor]

@@terencerowberry2444 In my opinion the Tories since 2010 were worse than Thatcher, particularly Cameron and Osborne. It takes some effort to accomplish that.

[@mnomadvfx]

It's not just austerity. That is the obvious part that causes people to overlook the insidious moves they made under its shadow. The real move was privatising govmt administration through Tory friend owned companies like Serco, including the NHS. I can only pray that Labour can disentangle govmt from these privately owned leeches, especially the NHS and Serco.

[@jjsmallpiece9234]

A woman who's ambition far exceeded her actual abilities. Finally caught out and removed from public life.

[@JelMain]

That's Oxbridge PPE for you.

[@martinahardaker8739]

Classic example of the 'Peter Principle.'

[@catherinegrimes2308]

@abot5381 I wonder why?

[@colintofield1377]

Not hard given she has zero ability

[@colintofield1377]

@abot5381 Shame the Tories did not reject her before making her leader, would have saved £1000's for ordinary people and billions for the nation

[@therealrobertbirchall]

No mention of Murdoch's role in keeping the liars and thieves in office. And we are sick of Mandrax and his self justification.

[@PassiveAgressive319]

Because this channel IS Murdoch owned

[@chrisburke4039]

Media reform is necessary in every western democracy right now. Too much vested interest propaganda masquerading as news right now. We need to get back to sharing the same reality.

[@ianworley8169]

Who made you a 'we'?

[@therealrobertbirchall]

@@ianworley8169 it's the Royal WE I am a distant relative of Chas.

[@hypsyzygy506]

​@@therealrobertbirchall Everyone is a distant relative of Chas.

[@rsyrsy8543]

Truss blames everyone, everything but herself. She believes she is never to be blamed.

[@NoxiousRob]

Typical narcissistic behaviour, it's always someone else's fault.

[@eciliaenelson6293]

​@@NoxiousRob- she reminds me of the 45th prez of USA. They are always willing to blame others for their own failings and shortcomings.

[@jimmymac333]

@@iaincrawford5472the free market, which I thought libertarians such as Truss are in favour of, is a stitch up? The alternative hypothesis is that her ideas were tested by reality and found to be a failure but perhaps you can’t accept that idea.

[@Sjb-on5xt]

She may have well been promoted beyond her abilities, but what's more revealing is how quick her own MPs stabbed her in the back and appointed a Goldman Sachs shill.

[@Broadwaybuff-pi1qg]

Like her idol, Trump

[@peterturnball8310]

It's the ultimate karma that Truss lost her seat. Being madder than a box of frogs doesn't justify wrecking the economy and causing a lot of financial hardship, and her result shows she hasn't been forgiven. And why would voters want to forgive someone who never said sorry? It'll take days to come up with all the reasons the Tories were decimated, but if Partygate wasn't already the final nail in the Tory coffin, then Truss crashing the economy and wrecking the Tory claim for economic competence certainly was.

[@chrisburke4039]

All the Trumpian conservatives should share the same fate. Thankfully the UK electorate are more measured, thoughtful and educated than their American counterparts. That said Starmer desperately needs to enact media reform to get the vested interest hackery and polarisation out of our national discourse.

[@peterrauth118]

Lettuce dwell on it no more.

[@noumanchoudry3147]

Only thing I remember about Liz Truss, Tory sent her to the Queen and 2 days later Queen died.

[@motimobo]

Did you know that LizzTruss campaigned to get rid of the monarchy when she was a young Lib Dem?

[@rwo5402]

@@motimobo oh, I wonder if there is some conspiracy theory in there.....

[@johnderrick2501]

Could we send her to Trump?

[@globalistgamer6418]

I remember that one time the Tories sent her to the economy and 2 days later the economy died.

[@thecheesefactor]

@@globalistgamer6418 What was really hit was the pension funds. Some lost 30%.

[@Robert-rt2jb]

It's not Lizard Truss who's paying the price. ....... It's EVERYONE ELSE !!

[@davidhamilton7780]

Showing a similar amount of style and grace in defeat as she showed in office. Sadly, the country will have to pay for her pension, but at least they won't have to listen to her any more.

[@hustlinmagic]

The fact that over 11000 people in that constituency thought..... " yup she gets my vote " is the most concerning thing.

[@Broadwaybuff-pi1qg]

The drug problem is worse than we thought

[@Gavin48]

She was actually a good MP and well liked in the area. The Reform vote cost her the Win

[@carlosgregorius9419]

Wait here. She’ll be back.

[@thecheesefactor]

The one thing a goldfish has no knowledge of is the nature of water. Decades of indoctrination have caused people to vote against their own interests. This continues to be a problem in the UK. Only by being incredibly terrible have the Tories managed to get themselves voted out.

[@helenjob]

Maybe she had lots of relatives living in her constituency..can't imagine anyone voting for her otherwise. Deluded, arrogant and ultimately selfish individual. No redeeming features whatsoever and I resent she gets such a generous stipend. Insane.

[@meglobob9217]

What Liz Truss did, was apply the finishing blow. She confirmed to the voters the tories were clueless and totally out of touch with reality. But the disaster that Sunak / tories had started with Cameron and austerity 14 years a go, made worse by brexit, general mismanagement of government and finally Liz Truss. Those were all the self-inflicted wounds.

[@tonyb9735]

In 2010 all three of the major parties stood on an austerity platform. People like to forget that.

[@thecheesefactor]

Too much buy in to think tanks like the Institute for Fiscal Studies and the Institute for Government and worse. Far too much. The government needs to do its own research. See what Opendemocracy have written about Tufton Street.

[@mnomadvfx]

Dafaq are people talking about Truss for? She reigned over Downing Street for months. Theresa May and her DUP bribing magic money tree were in power for years.

[@plongs3]

She still gets 130k per year as a former PM, so no tears please.

[@edsr164]

Former MPs get a pension in UK?

[@toxictony4230]

@@edsr164 as a former Prime Minister, she'll have Police protection for life plus a £130K pension in addition to any other salery she has. Not bad for 49 days of work. Somethimes, life does feel a little unfair.

[@krishnagondhea7428]

Wow! Wish I could have that paid to me for doing jack all

[@tonyb9735]

She ought to get 20 years.....

[@dennisfraser6896]

She said why did they vote me out i was a long life lettuce cant understand it.😂😂😂

[@largesatsuma]

Truss losing her seat feels like a little bit of justice.

[@WilliamMacKenzie-dq6bf]

Jail without parole would've been justice....along with a few others in her party....

[@MordechaiTheFoul]

Peter Mandelson is so smug and self satisfied. I am no Tory, but Finkelstein is a much better commentator

[@michaelwilliams3232]

Not at all wrong there, add corrupt, twitter and bisted old queen.

[@Fontsman-14]

@@MordechaiTheFoul Mandelson was a freeloader par excelance. Dodgy loans and euro gravy train. A perfect example of someone who jettisoned his socialist principles the moment he saw the honeypot.

[@hypsyzygy506]

Was there a real 'Portillo moment'? Portillo was a shock. I think this time there was a quiet satisfaction as they fell, although the real big beasts had already jumped. I think Gove should have been the Portillo moment.

[@thecheesefactor]

Indeed. Polls were predicting several senior Tories were at risk of losing their seats. Few if any surprises.

[@modestproposal9114]

The Portillo moments were from Labour. In a few places the Left got organised and dispatched right wing Labour figures such as Jonathan Ashworth and Thangam Debbonaire . They very nearly got Wes Streeting and Jess Phillips.

[@jcr6311]

The fact Truss lost her seat restores my faith in Britain

[@TesterAnimal1]

Add up the Tory and Deform votes in the results. 😱 I’m terrified.

[@JonniePolyester]

It was my favourite cherished moment ❤

[@mylucksmiles]

@@jcr6311 to right well said

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

Asif it were "Britain" who couped Truss and replaced her with the establishment guy 🙄

[@pastyman001]

Partly thanks to a a strong showing by a local independent ( Turnip mafia) Tory standing against her who never had any faith in her being helicoptered into Norfolk

[@Fontsman-14]

Truss was the most dangerous, deluded, arrogant MP in recent times. And that's saying something.😮

[@seriousmaran9414]

She has some competition in Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak. Each created disasters in their own way.

[@Daneelro]

Not Boris, who mentored her & paved the way for her, and made Brexit a real disaster? Not Cameron, who set up the whole Brexit disaster and then bailed?

[@Fontsman-14]

@@Daneelro Both Cameron and Johnson are a close second and third.

[@PeterWheeler-s8l]

It's been a disaster since 2015. Unbelievable that they got away with Brexit and we are not discussing this at the election. Hopefully the next election there will.be a mandate for single market and customs union

[@kenfryer2090]

​@@DaneelroCameron was the worst. He did more to damage british citizens rights, quality of life and future opportunities than any other prime minister. Brexit destroyed the economy and political standing of UK making it an insignificant former world power. If we had been sanctioned like Russia it couldn't have been worse

[@lugano1999]

Liz Truss has been over her head from the beginning but has mined the system from the beginngin for self aggrandizement like so many in her party.

[@sushibar777]

All of them bear the blame. Cameron for calling the Brexit referendum. BoJo the Clown for, well, being a clown, holding Covid parties, and for supporting the disastrous Brexit vote. Truss for all the things discussed here. Sunak probably deserves the least amount of blame. By the time he got the captain's job the boat had been holed amidships, the keel was cracked, and it was taking on water faster than the pumps could handle.

[@rob-fb5xs]

Almost word for word what I was saying to someone earlier today. I can’t blame Sunak, he was only keeping the seat warm because of the irreparable damage already done.

[@dixieflatline1189]

Exactly this. Just missing the £400Bn that Boris spaffed up the wall (gave to his mates) during "covid procurement" Test & Trace etc. Liz Truss doubled down on clownish stupidity with a £30Bn immediate economic hit to the economy and a £300Bn hit to mortgage holders that's still ongoing. Best part of a trillion pounds lost, and that's without factoring in Brexit (whatever people political views, there are no net positives)

[@troubledjoe6201]

Half agree - he was dealt a bad hand, but he also played it badly.

[@maureenbarclay2127]

Bozo and net zero. Crazy

[@Steve-s8k]

Brexit was a democratic vote, so you can't blame Cameron for calling a referendum just because you don't like the result. Brexit isn't the problem but Tory policies and them failing to take advantage of Brexit has been.

[@stopthetories]

Liz Truss, for me, was the Portillo moment

[@vincentvangogh8092]

Mordant cuz truss had no future i reckon

[@michaelclayton5124]

It was a beautiful moment.

[@globalistgamer6418]

Don't sleep on Michael Green (only real ones know...)

[@colinmassey527]

The whole point of voting them out is they havent taken any responsibility for their mistakes and bad policies. Liz Truss is the perfect example

[@mrm7058]

I am surprised that she still got so many votes.

[@mogznwaz]

Because a lot of us could see the obvious agenda against her. Truss is not why the Tories lost . They lost because of a half-arsed Brexit, mass immigration, illegals being given red carpet treatment, justice system insanity, and COVID. I note that the man advising the government during covid and insisting on more lockdowns and more spending has now joined the Labour cabinet. Alongside Sue Gray the ‘unbiased’ Partygate civil servant Sue Gray. Suspicious no??

[@JohnSmall314]

That is a worrying thing. Roughly 1 in 3 people are so away with the fairies that they'll vote Tory or Reform despite the visible evidence of the wreckage due to right wing policies in the last 14 years.

[@MM-vv8mt]

Shorter shelf-life than a cabbage, and fewer brain cells than one too.

[@leonrobinson8180]

Lettuce actually

[@Tridhos]

People seemed to have missed that the Liz Truss budget was greeted by Farage as the best budget since the eighties.

[@zopEnglandzip]

The market didn't react to truss's actions. Anyone watching the euro saw it do exactly the same as the gbp because Biden opened the taps on US reserves at the same time, it was a political hit job that the media played along with.

[@JohnSmall314]

@Darren-pq5oc "It put money in workers pockets" Errr... Elementary arithmetic. It put money into the pockets of the rich and also reduced the wealth of the country, which means that poor people would be worse off one way or another. Cutting taxes, but also cutting public services that everyone except the very rich depend on, makes workers worse off even though they have more money in their pay packets. Doubling mortgage payments for people with mortgages, and therefore ramping up people's rent for people in private rented housing is not exactly putting money in worker's pockets is it?

[@Zero_Ninety]

​@Darren-pq5ocum...no it didn't. 😂

[@rtjames]

​@Darren-pq5oc 1.the budget wasn't passed, so no it didn't put money in anyone's pocket. 2. It was a magic money tree budget. Cut taxes and spend spend spend. The idea was akin to having less petrol in the tank than usual and achieving a higher mileage. People start asking , "how?", and the wheels fell off.

[@philipd8868]

Did not know that - says a lot about Farage, the Trump supporter.

[@czarekp3552]

now Truss can give her 100% to pork markets and cheese

[@JupiterThunder]

Kwasi gave all her the pork she needed. As he did Amber Rudd before her. All the nice Tory girls love Kwasi's prodigious package.

[@stevendurrant1724]

That. Is. A. Disgrace.

[@m.woodsrobinson9244]

​@@JupiterThunderThe old Tory motto "Use what you've got to get what you want" 🤣🤣🤣

[@thecheesefactor]

*Stares directly into camera looking self-satisified*

[@Calintares]

Truss was the party darling. she became PM because the tory party wants someone like her to sell them dreams. The essence of the tory party is that they want someone like Liz Truss to be PM if they think they can get away with it. That's why they voted for Truss to become party leader and why Sunak lost, and when he became party leader it was only because there wasn't a party vote.

[@toxictony4230]

Well that and the very large tax cuts she was offering to the rich and super wealthy.

[@petertaylor1447]

Rishi Sunak was not chosen by the Conservative Party membership because, unlike Liz Truss, he was not "one of us".

[@leonrobinson8180]

​@@petertaylor1447 "One of us" = "⚪"

[@thecheesefactor]

The membership liked Truss. Now imagine what it takes to still be a member of the Tory Party after what they have done over the past 14 years.

[@AndyBeez]

Liz Truss on Strictly Come Dancing 2024 : 8-1💃 Grant Shapps : 6-1 🕺 Penny Mourdant : 12-1 🧚‍♀️ Rees-Mogg : 1000-1🕴

[@JruTxAgnt]

I’ll take these odds.

[@Trump_the_RAPIST]

*Truly brilliant, Andy!*

[@smoozerish]

I voted for Labour, but God Mandelson is such a slimey egomaniac.

[@Awibrahor]

Then don’t call him a god. Commas matter.

[@fritzhenning1]

What role did Mandelson play? Enlighten us on why you call him a slimey egomaniac.

[@chrispalmer7893]

In 1993 I attended a conference in London with my politics A Level class. Mandleson was the first speaker. Most of us vaguely knew who he was (this was when John Smith was leader of the Labour Party and Mandleson was out of favour), but he'd lost not just us but the whole room within about one minute of starting to speak. It was quite remarkable to see it happen, because I couldn't pin it down to anything specific that he said, there was just something about him that rubbed everyone up the wrong way (and it wasn't an inherently hostile crowd, based on the reaction to other speakers I'd say it was mostly left and centre-left in its sympathies). Coloured my opinion of him for years, although I should in fairness say that he doesn't annoy me now as he did back then.

[@mobsiesixsixsix9785]

@@fritzhenning1 Are you blind or just slow?

[@GillMosley-wo9mf]

I hate it when people maline Jeremy Corbyn as he's such a genuine bloke. He inspires a lot of people. He's slagged off for talking to "the enemy" but dialogue and debate is essential to work through problems. He understands that.

[@kiterJ]

Interest rates were bound to go up after covid anyway, but Truss made it much, much worse than it needed to be. This hurt everyones pockets

[@boota1979]

@kiterJ And made the City of London jump with joy!

[@t.dmytryshyn2615]

@@boota1979 How on earth did Liz Truss make the City of London jump for joy?

[@boota1979]

@@t.dmytryshyn2615 Where do you think the government got the money/debt from to plug the massive 30 billion hole she wiped off the economy?

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Truss's personal loss in Norfolk was the largest swing ever recorded.26%.

[@paulyoung4422]

Liz Truss, Financial Advisor, for hire.

[@JupiterThunder]

Mortgage advisor perhaps?

[@herbtapp3031]

She can go manage rubles for Putin.

[@anthonybrown4874]

More likely to be election advisor to Trump now Farage won't be going.

[@hypsyzygy506]

​@@anthonybrown4874 Whi says Farage won't be going?

[@anthonybrown4874]

@hypsyzygy506 it's a bad look for any current MP costing up to that meglomaniac

[@ivanconnolly7332]

Truss is cut from the same cloth as Lucy Letby, oblivious to the harm they have caused, they smile like angels.

[@TheReykjavik]

Blaming an individual is dishonest. Conservative policies are bad no matter whose face you put on them.

[@leonrobinson8180]

She was leading the party and country though

[@TheReykjavik]

@@leonrobinson8180 She might be more at fault than most, but the rot goes a lot deeper than the figurehead.

[@lutzfilor8253]

Right on.

[@jamesbenning9665]

I like the easy, balanced, articulate and insightful way in which these programmes are presented. No rants, no interruptions or talking over. No trainers and t-shirts. A breath of fresh air, well done.

[@aj-jc4cv]

24:32 Danny should do stand-up comedy. The reform party already irreparably wounded the conservatives. Reform have the policies that people want enacted but not the means to do so. The Tories failed over 14 years and the Labour Party will not be able to make any meaningful impact in the next 5yrs either and so it goes on.

[@aussie807]

OK blame ‘the woman’ really?? Tories need to look at themselves as currently they are completely disconnected from reality

[@t.dmytryshyn2615]

It's the entitlement and incompetence of the Tories that was the spike in the heart of Conservatives.

[@thecheesefactor]

@@t.dmytryshyn2615 Two more words I have for them - complacency and arrogance.

[@PassiveAgressive319]

Why Braverman and Badenoch kept their seats is beyond me😮

[@georgec7899]

Two Peas in a ROTTEN POD

[@tonyb9735]

Because a significant portion of the British electorate is extremely right wing.

[@philipsudron]

She reminds me of an eccentric high school teacher who habitually loses her classroom keys.

[@giovannisoave9634]

And yet Truss is very proud of crushing the British economy.

[@mogznwaz]

She was right. The ‘crash’ narrative was mostly bs. Interest rates were going up anyway. If she’d been allowed to continue we might be in a very different place now in a growth economy. But of course that’s not the plan. The parties of Davos can’t have a successful Britain, how else will they force us back under the thumb of the EU?

[@davebland8489]

Sack the sound engineer! I’m listening on headphones and every time Polly speaks it blows my ears off!

[@stevenwilliamson6236]

It's grossly offensive for Mandelson to say that their failed candidates are victims of the Gaza war, given Starmer's support for genocide there. He has permanently alienated these people potentially.

[@jeremymanson1781]

Why push these lies and crazy nonsense about Starmer? Who is paying you to do this? We know it is in Iran and Putin's interest to push this false narrative.

[@duncanmac9434]

Bye bye cun... Eh i mean Truss. Karma fookin bites 😂

[@GerardLinehan-mk8xs]

C U Next Tuesday

[@mobsiesixsixsix9785]

Imagine voting Labour and knowing you voted for people Mandleson supports..... It's enough to make you gag.

[@VincentPeters-vs2us]

The incompetence meter went off the scale during Truss' tenureship of No.10. Mind you, it had been smoking away since Cameron. Five fingers of the same hand...... knuckleshufflers!

[@proe1]

Mandelson and Epstien, why is this guy still given a platform?

[@martinkeats4429]

Thetford says goodbye to Liz Truss…

[@Napoleonwilson1973]

West Norfolk says goodbye

[@peterbreis5407]

Fix your government and voting system! England needs regional government, so it isn't all pointlessly concentrated in London. The North particularly needs to manage itself for many things, particularly infrastructure. And get on with fixing Brexit. That was the tombstone on the Conservative suicide. Face it, England is European, embrace it.

[@stevenwilliamson6236]

Indeed. How hard is it to have a rational answer prepared to questions about genocide? So if he gets an easy decision like that wrong how can he be trusted with difficult stuff?

[@jnh2003]

I’m a life long Torie but voted for labour due to the pigs ear the conservatives have created. It was time for a change. I was heartened by Keir Starmers speech and will fire vote for them again if they do a decent job. If they break their trust I’m sure they will be gone before they get a second term. Let’s give them the support they should have and wish them well. Spend wisely and invest in infrastructure not quangos and they may be around for a long time!

[@patrick_h_lauke]

"Conservatives to blame for Conservatives' damning election defeat as voters 'ruthlessly' reject Tories" ... there, fixed it for youze

[@daquidi]

had nigel farage not returned the tories would have done a lot better

[@leonrobinson8180]

True. He split the conservative vote.

[@thecheesefactor]

It's the UKIP/ERG problem again that Cameron allowed the Brexit vote for in order to appease them. All for nothing now, the right is split anyway. And we have had a disastrous hard Brexit that has cost the average person £2000.

[@VinceLammas]

Starmer has been quite effective at calling out the hipocracy, untrustworthiness and incompetence of the Conservatives ... and positioning Labour as a trustworthy alternative.

[@modestproposal9114]

Starmer has been a habitual liar. Dishonest to the core. Your view is only possible because this time the media has covered for Starmer, the way they covered for Johnson in 2019.

[@David-vx4mx]

So happy she and the rest of her party are gone.

[@jerryorange6983]

She was doing what Mogg told to do.

[@PGHEngineer]

Polling in january 2020 had the Tories riding high at 53% and it was a gradual and steady decline to 23% over the next 5 years. They lost a lot of support due to COVID strategy and then inflation, bit there was no one big ossue that finished them off. The fact is that if governments have to make big decisions that affect a lot of people, many of those people will be unhappy with the decision that was made. They will blame the man in charge. It"s just the way it is.

[@mikeydread62]

She now gets to spend more time with her Trump family

[@jonathanharms7589]

Iran does not fund those who fight for human rights and the upholding of international law and shame on Mandelson for saying so.

[@dog_chasing_cars7576]

As much as i laughed out loud at the time when they made her PM, it wasn't ALL truss. it was the conservatives as a cohesive, useless, self serving unit. Cameron with Brexit, May on patch work, Boris on lies and propaganda, Truss on economic stupidity and sunak and out of touch and caretaker duty.

[@rained5757]

As someone who lives under preferential voting (which is probably a main form of pr), any change may not make the difference smaller parties and their followers fondly imagine.

[@Crimson_Logic]

I noticed how he didn't wanna mention labours gains in 2017

[@modestproposal9114]

Because the logic of the centrist narrative completely collapses if you consider 2017. All centrists do this, its very 1984.

[@Dude-etiquette]

Boris Johnson also had a massive part in the Tories downfall. The contempt that he showed for the public drinking and partying while others couldn’t say goodbye to their dying loved ones.

[@m.woodsrobinson9244]

Elitist entitlement at its best!

[@ianworley8169]

It's not Truss, or Sunak or the vile, dishonourable Johnson, it was every single one of them. Any that were not actively responsible, enabled the corruptions of the principle players by their inactions.

[@stevep7950]

from 10:00 peter Mandelson has summarised the current situation perfectly.

[@chenglamchin446]

Can't just blame Least Trust; Boorish and Richie have contributed greatly to their demise

[@saeedhossain6099]

Mandleson conventiently patting himself on the back while putting Starmer down, all while sitting on the information that labour voteshare shrunk since 2017.

[@snotwurfit]

She didn't even have the grace to acknowledge all the people who vote for her over the years. Just walked off the stage... Even JRM congratulated his opponent and thanked his former constituents.!

[@rickreeves3781]

Very interesting. Lovely to hear intelligent conversation with the usual ‘my party is better than your party’

[@rickreeves3781]

Oops without not with

[@Peter-g1k]

She is not solely responsible. She is majorly responsible. Others also bear responsibility.

[@MFisher7346]

Kemi Badenoch??? Dream on. If the Tory party members thought Rishi was a bit too dark, she wouldn't stand a chance.

[@m.woodsrobinson9244]

Absolutely!

[@thecheesefactor]

Sorry, she is the most popular leadership candidate with Tory members and she certainly does stand a chance. I prefer Tugendhat myself but he is not popular with the members. I do not support the Tories by the way!

[@andyo8141]

No, everyone ignored the elephant in the room.

[@gazfish]

I'd love to see interviews of people who voted conservative and ask them how much worse would it have to get before they switched alliance.

[@dschoene57]

Although I like the result, the implications are dire. Getting 60% of seats on 34% of the vote is just utterly bonkers. That's as far as you can get from democracy this side of Belarus. It's an elected dictatorship.

[@sylviamills5672]

Yes but us tactical voters tactically voted democratically to get the tories out. We worked within the established system and got the result we wanted. Next, tories will be shrieking that first past the post is broken because it didn’t benefit them this time. Funny that. Next, they’ll be screaming for proportional representation.

[@DavidWatson-g1c]

It already seems like another world. Lets just hope they never get back.

[@watchnorthlondon]

I mean... These journalists are so preternaturally pleased with themselves...

[@lutzfilor8253]

No she doesn’t pay a price. She has served her poisonous purpose and she will never feel the consequences of her political crimes against abusing the trust of the people she swore to serve. Never will shed a tear for a blatant liar.

[@noraelliott7304]

And you don't think Boris isn't also responsible?

[@SandraKindreich]

He could be describing the whole tory party

[@sej8806]

I was going to watch this and then I saw Mandelson…

[@gerardjames8123]

How could anyone in their right mind ever have allowed her to be Prime Minister !

[@lawrencehaynes5594]

The brillance of the collective Brittish political mind !

[@keithm6117]

Now Liz Truss has lost her seat it will be intresting what she puts in her next job application, Iets hope she includes her 49 days as Pm where she can account for the loss of over £50 Billion in UK bonds... The woman wants deporting

[@dweller6065]

The rise of Reform and their impact in attracting enough votes to unseat sitting Conservatives may well cause the Conservatives to back rank choice voting.

[@Anatoligg]

Why would you blame her ? You knew what she was about to do and you voted for her

[@kdhlkjhdlk]

Of course she's out. She porked the markets.

[@mylucksmiles]

To be honest conservatives talked big and thought small. The fact is British people are facing an hostile environment because of parliament and the refusal to face facts. They spend the tax payers money like it was easy money. Civil rights are used to blackmail indigenous people of the UK. So as a pensioner with health issues I am unable to get the treatment I paid for over my working g life. Accommodation is now available only for migrants. I face as an older man hostel comments and have had thousands of pounds stolen and the police do nothing but ask have you insurance.Racism is an attitude that is motivated internally it as nothing to do with the colour of a persons skin. The far right are growing stronger because the political system has been broken. Face it when Palestine supporters cause huge demonstrations in London and are demanding rights for another country go free and those British people who demand the pole-tax be abolished are locked up , and the law changed to punished them …what do you expect. The country is being dissolved into chaos by people who hate our way of life . Claim that they have been robbed by the British and we owe them . I am 70 years I was in the army when I was younger . I no longer matter to the elected government. Their leadership is unbelievable , stupidity seems to pay for them. Talk all you want about what you can say on tv but I believe your playing the viewer not speaking it as it is. The evidence is there the police chase after weak to for an easy conviction. Your judges play the game and seek approval not justice. Sadly it has woken the beast called British bulldog . The next election will be the one that brings real change . It’s never to late for a real change remember that

[@brokenrecord3095]

so in UK, they "stand" to "run" for a "seat"?

[@JosephTheAlbanianOakman]

They blame each other 😂

[@mayray6434]

not just liz truss ,boris,sunak

[@jonandalisondriscoll1981]

Mandelson starts by manipulating the truth. I guess he's lived his life that way.

[@paulstewart6293]

Mitterand liked his red scarf.

[@Hannah-pk6iq]

Mandelson?? really do one

[@gerthanekom8910]

Hopefully this will be the beginning of the end of the two party monopoly in Brittain.

[@victoriahigman6802]

I feel sorry for Truss as the party itself was also complicit. It’s a shame she couldn’t act as Sunak did. An apology and head high to carry on for another day