LL4D Tippmann TMC/Byrna Mission 4 - How I Built My Launcher

[@thingsthathappentojeff5862]

Many people dislike 98 engines because of the wild fluctuations in FPS. You have worked on yours to be very consistent, shot to shot! Great video!

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Its not the powerhouse that everyone seems to crave but it has proven its reliability time and time again and can hold its own.

[@Joreel]

​@@lesslethalfordummiesReliability is always preferable to power. Power is nice, but if the marker stops working when it's needed most, hopefully you can run really fast 😅

[@runerebel8441]

Interesting video as always Sean. The 1100 HPA sure gives a nice boost in power. I need to test my Stormer more... 🤔

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I was a bit disappointed the 90g didnt do better but the HPA made up for it. 😁

[@runerebel8441]

@@lesslethalfordummies Yes I hoped for more power with the 90 gram. But the 1100 HPA gave the best boost. Will try in my Stormer and see how it goes. Normally it dont give a big boost in it, but we will see...🤔

[@e4matt440]

Thanks, just what the doctor ordered :)

[@SpACeCruizeR2o3]

@e4matt440 i was gonna use this line next vid thanks homie 💪🏼💯💥💥

[@frgtdrepsn2904]

Nice! I may have talked a friend into buying a TMC for plinking and maybe later.... powering up 😂

[@lesslethalfordummies]

It is a solid launcher. Parts are plenty even if they were to discontinue this launcher tomorrow it shares the same platform as a few others which makes it affordable.

[@justinhalethesenuts7769]

The Lab Coat has to stay, i feel like im taking a course now. Also Sean i am thinking about getting the XP68 from MCS. It is apparently somewhere between 40 - 50 joules out of thee box. Thoughts ?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

The X68 seems to be getting good reviews regardless of the oring problem that seems to have plagued the first release. Oring failures are a way of LL life. Should they have happen so quick out of the box…no. If you cant fix an oring yourself, LL shouldn’t be your first choice.

[@justinhalethesenuts7769]

​@lesslethalfordummies totally agree, are you planning on reviewing one ?

[@Joreel]

​​​@@justinhalethesenuts7769may be too powerful out of the box for the Canadian Government to allow. They have some very strict rules for airsoft apparently. The PX68 is a Beast and although you only get 7-8 shots out of the CO2, they are devastating shots. I have a 50 Joule HDX and after shooting 4.6 gram Homewrecker Busting Balls at an 8 pound vacuum sealed pot roast from 30, 20, 15, and 7 feet, the damage to the muscle tissue of the roast got worse and worse as I got closer. At 7 and 15 feet which is the average distance you'd be using your launcher, I had to dig the rounds out of the roast both times.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Not anytime soon as a dropped some coin on the 468 instead.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

The X68 is allowed here being it is under 500fps. Personally I like a challenge when it comes to these launchers and the X68 doesn’t appear to need any additional help being all it can be 😆

[@cafra78573]

Would you go for a m17 or a tmc for a 30-40 joule, reliable set up ?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

M17 can make 30-40j without breaking a sweat and far less modifications. The M17 does best with hpa and not ever co2 so that may also be a deciding factor. Comfortably the TMC is a 25j launcher all day using co2 and a longer barrel.

[@cafra78573]

@lesslethalfordummies thanks for the feedback ! Regarding reliability at those "power" output, the M17 still is reliable ? Is the CQMF better or equivalent ? Thanks !

[@lesslethalfordummies]

M17 is proven to be more reliable at higher power than the discontinued Cqmf.

[@cafra78573]

@@lesslethalfordummies thanks a lot for those feedback : I'll go with a M17 then !

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Excellent choice with room to grow it into a monster should you choose.

[@bNikmagn18]

Gorgeous video, thank you for such a detailed review, definitely a like. Have you tried using ECDPD from MWR website to keep the marker always NOT charged and Yes, in this case, the spring would always remain compressed. What do you think about it?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I never tested the MWR lock bolt mainly because i haven’t experienced one that worked well with LL. MWR did promise theirs wouldn’t self destruct like i have seen on others.

[@bNikmagn18]

@ Their lock bolt has magnet instead of spring and it looks solid.

[@bNikmagn18]

@@lesslethalfordummies i got the ECDPD part from MWR and it works as if you have marker corked but its actually uncorked, the plastic part of ECDPD which has magnet is pressed by bolt and detent staying untouched by projectile so that way you dont press detent and it saves its form and you can use that bearing ball as a shim on the spring. Hope i could explain...xD

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Thanks for the feedback. MWR is making leaps and bounds on products every month it seems.

[@bNikmagn18]

Question: do you the idea of how to make slide check on-off 12:20 ?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Like the Byrna? I toyed with some ideas because it is a slick unit. I believe the hard lines in the TMC are 1/4” automative brake tubing which is rated to over 4000psi, so 💯 safe for what we are doing. Check out MWR Paintball’s website maybe for some ideas. They do a remote line kit with reimagined pre-bent tubing which is where i realized the hard lines are commercially available and malleable (bendable).

[@rustystyle]

Unequivocally the ultimate TMC upgrade video!! 💯😎👌 It looks like the Techt MK1 zero kick hammer might be discontinued now. Do you know if the MK2 version will still fit the bill Shaun?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I had no idea it was discontinued. I couldn’t say with any certainty how it differs unfortunately.

[@rustystyle]

@@lesslethalfordummies So, the MK1 is out of stock and the 'new improved ' MK2 is in stock, so I'm sort of making an assumption theyve discontinued it if they've brought out a newer and better version 😅 Maybe best way to know is to email them lol

[@9za000000]

Would it be possible to instal a larger power tube for an increase in joule? 😁

[@lesslethalfordummies]

The power tube itself only directs the flow from the valve inside. There are ways to increase the volume but they wont be aesthetically pleasing.

[@Lochheiri]

Hey Shawn how u get the Velocity screw out, my allenkey´s doesnt fit. Thanks for your nice work with this marker!!

[@lesslethalfordummies]

The velocity setscrew uses a 3/16” allen wrench.

[@Lochheiri]

@@lesslethalfordummies Thank you!

[@idbd688]

How well does this setup work with a hopper? And regular paintballs? Im looking to get a TMC and make it have higher fps and weigh less at the same time

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Thats a very good question. I never tested it with a hopper but there is no reason it shouldn’t work. Even with the HD drive spring i rarely encountered a chop running magazines. Gravity might behave a little differently.

[@dale5560]

I know you tried the TechT bolt, but try the TechT bolt with the TechT hammer with the slug and the heavy spring that came with the hammer.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

The current setup was most reliable in all my test.

[@dale5560]

@ did you try that combination? I am getting 468 -25 joules

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Problem is the drive spring is still too spindly to reliably hold that power for an extended period of time. I tried every commercial specific spring for the TMC. They all eventually lost too much power. Even this super heavy spring i am using does, but not to the extend of the others. This is the nature of springs unfortunately. It should also be added that i put thousands of rounds through my marker on this particular spring and this plays a huge part in some of the decisions I make. When this spring is new it shoots about 20fps faster than this video demonstrated and of course I was also running without a shim.

[@0067rick]

What about a 16 gram co2 how would that work just more shots? Or more power?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

16g just helps finish an entire mag with more consistent velocity when compared to the 12g in this particular launcher. If the co2 was horizontal out back you would probably see a slight boost in power.

[@sonnyboysoprano]

What brand oil do you use that you put in the ASA?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Lately i have been using SuperLube Multi Purpose silicone oil that I get from Amazon.

[@brandenthompson3323]

Hey Sean quick question for your expertise is the Byrna m4 a reliable less lethal option in the stock version? How many joules of force do you think you’d deliver on avg?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Yes the Mission 4 is reliable. It is a Tippmann after all. Mine shot 22j out of the box using 88/90g co2 with the velocity screw wide open.

[@brandenthompson3323]

Out of curiosity for someone who’s not very familiar with modding these launchers, how much of a process would it be to get this thing to fire around 25-28 joules?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Adding a long barrel would be the easiest way to get the velocity up. I would recommend a 14” TMC Lion Claw barrel from MCS and dont forget to pick up a flash hider to finish it off. The factory barrel is 12” but only has 11” of actual control.

[@stephens3045]

... Why not a 1300psi output HPA tank? Not compatible?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Sky is the limit really. Risk vs reward.

[@SpACeCruizeR2o3]

Love the intro dum dum dum duuum chick chik BooM 💥 mutha fu#!$%3rrrz💪🏼💯💥💥💥💥 hehehaaahaaa

[@checkitout4740]

What is the Latest with the 468 ??? Can it Run an 88 gr. Co2 ???

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Havent played with it just yet.

[@checkitout4740]

@lesslethalfordummies OK, Buddy I will Watch This Space.

[@Lesslethalbandit]

🥼🥼🥼🥼

[@stephenlu1626]

nice video and work on your tippmann. quick question, i have a stock mission 4 byrna no mods, if i decided to run a 1100 psi out put 13ci, with your experience with these rifles, would the byrna be able to handle it with out anything breaking and would it be consistent. What fps do you think it would get? thanks in advance for your experienced advice. have a good one.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Plug it in and go. The launcher has no problem running 1100psi. Fps is based on projectile weight so it would be impossible to guess.

[@stephenlu1626]

@@lesslethalfordummies thanks for the quick reply, i will order the tank and give it a try. any guestimates for 1100 psi out put with mission 4 @ 3gram projectile, 3.6gram projectile, 4.6gram projectile thanks

[@lesslethalfordummies]

@@stephenlu1626ah man i got so many numbers in my head these days i would have to look back at my earlier videos to even have a guess.

[@stephenlu1626]

@@lesslethalfordummies ok no worries and no rush, whenever your free for the numbers all good 👍

[@stephenlu1626]

@@lesslethalfordummies quick question, do you have some good recommendations on mock silencer/suppressors for the byrna mission 4 thanks👍

[@Watchlist_Nominee]

shout out to aliexpress flashlight, can't go wrong until it does go wrong.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Truth! I had this one for sometime and it hasnt failed yet. Most flashlights are made in a far off land anyhow.

[@jediknight1294]

​@@lesslethalfordummiesfor cheap lights as long as they are vented properly (fucking olight) and you use GOOD 18650 batteries you are fine. Avoid anything with FIRE in the name for battery brands and you will be fine no trustfire or similar low end China batts.

[@capndazz]

i presume your shooting 3 gram rounds?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Yes i am shooting Byrna Kinetics. 2.9g as per my scale.

[@mattfrancis9275]

Why such a light round,is this a .68 cal sorry I may of missed that,and have u a video of full works you have done to this as I'm constantly toying with getting one love the look of the. But power was my concern I'm currently fsc carbine 20gco2 molded as much as I can with extended air chamber and I need to get hold of a chrono that's for sure,tia I jumped in and commented befprnwatching the whole vid

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I tested every projectile i have from 3g to 10g. This particular blow back type launcher didnt respond well with heavier projectiles. Would i like it to shoot heavier projectiles?…absolutely but the chrono doesnt lie when telling the story.

[@mattfrancis9275]

@@lesslethalfordummies mainly one spring to change really then by the looks if it

[@lesslethalfordummies]

@@mattfrancis9275if i was sticking with the factory hammer i would swap the valve spring too otherwise just one with the TechT hammer.

[@airgunsanonymouslesslethal1904]

90 is the new 800

[@lesslethalfordummies]

For some launchers 😁

[@TecHNumbeR777]

Have you ever thought about selling a less? Lethal for dummies kit for the t m c ?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I have been tempted but the honest truth is my day job would make me less than desirable at meeting what i would consider important promises of delivery.

[@TecHNumbeR777]

@lesslethalfordummies thanks for the videos I love your gun set up. I am thinking about getting the tmc . But I have 2 kids that love to play and a full time job like you . Just don't know if I have the time to put one together.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

@@TecHNumbeR777appreciate the support and if you ever get your hands on the TMC dont be afraid to ask questions. Best advice is to have some fun straight out of the box. It is a very reliable/robust launcher and loves co2 which is great to help keep initial costs down.