Lloydy's fear for the game over calls for knees up & speckies to be outlawed - Footy Classified

Matthew Lloyd says Australian Rules would start to lose a major part of the game if knees up in a marking contest was to be outlawed.
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[@de3k_]

Good on you Lloydy, keep being direct and strong about this. The more this lot entertain this conversation, the quicker the high mark will be abolished. Its an absolute joke - don't let lawyers turn the game into an impotent spectacle.

[@1refi]

He is literally apart of that lot. He's literally on the panel haha.

[@00higgo]

Lloyd is a massive part of why the rules are the way they are. Go look at his lobbying for rule changes over the last 15 years.

[@de3k_]

@@1refi yeah fair, i meant more the leigh matthews, damian barrett types.

[@Kevin-oh2je]

A knee in the kidneys is NOT illegal in AFL...but is it ethical? Is there a duty of care? Spear tackles, kicks to the head...just 'accidents' Are they 'accidents waiting to happen'? Perhaps ask Petracca

[@stevenp2309]

The only ppl who bring up banning this stuff is footy media and footy panels and then you applaud them for arguing against a position they created🤷

[@Olsnedzy]

Leigh Mathews one of the dirtiest , hardest players ever wants to ban a player from jumping up with the knee.

[@00higgo]

He didn't push the game to where it is. All he did was highlight the massive inconsistencies in the way we pretend to protect the head.

[@johnmac333]

Never liked Matthews , who today would be in jail for his on field actions . Maybe he's looking for redemption ?

[@darrenjpeters]

@@johnmac333 Are you serious, champ? You do realize that Lethal played in an era where EVERYBODY used to belt each other, right? If you're going to throw him in jail for his on field actions, he's going to have plenty of company.

[@daniellebcooper7160]

@@johnmac333 you obviously never went to a game of footy back in the 70's/80's.

[@de3k_]

@@darrenjpeters yes but even Lethal had a reputation and it's not like he didn't earn it

[@mytwosense9135]

Let's just play OzTag and call it a day. Eddie & Lloyd are spot on here.

[@stevenp2309]

The only ppl who bring up banning this stuff is footy media and footy panels and then you applaud them for arguing against a position they created🤷

[@mytwosense9135]

​@@stevenp2309 Lloyd created this subject? Give us a spell mate 😂

[@michaelroper5286]

Touch footy getting closer and closer won't be long now

[@stevenp2309]

@@mytwosense9135 footy media and footy panels made this up yes, not Lloyd. There's been no talk from anyone at the AFL that they are thinking of banning ppl jumping for the ball. Cornes and Matthews said in their various media panel show gigs. It's a circular economy. One footy media panel says something. Another footy media panel shows reacts in disgust that the AFL would think of that......even though there's no evidence they did🤷🤔

[@stevenp2309]

@@michaelroper5286 have u been to a game of AFL recently mate?

[@saxon3980]

If this happens in the future it would be the end of me as a supporter, and club member. The contested high marking is what's separates us from other codes in terms of a spectacle.

[@maxshiraz3447]

For every Petracca injury, there are 100 players that have done an ACL by jumping and landing awkwarly. Let's ban jumping.

[@al1979rocker]

ACL's, as bad as they are, are not really health or life threatening like head knocks or internal organ injuries.

[@davedavenport8487]

actually, we need to ban legs all together.

[@darcyricho5451]

Lloyd spot on once again

[@FranticMonster11]

well said Lloyd!

[@dashman13]

Let's just call it The Change Game from now in. Where the rules are only active for one game and then they change. WTF ARE THE AFL THINKING!? Kane and Leigh need to shut up too.

[@michaelroper5286]

here here well said

[@BayleyBlake]

The 'Speccie' is one of the most dynamic & spectacular acts in any sport, any where in the World (Thus the name). It is a major part of what makes our sport great. Take that away, or even restrict it in any way, and it will rip the heart & soul out of our great game. Absolutely disgraceful to even consider it!

[@andrewwhite6586]

The lawyers at the AFL are worried about the legal implications of repeated impacts to a players head. That is what is driving their push to eliminate any contact with the head.

[@lukerobinson87]

Spot on Mr Lloyd

[@tb7667]

The AFL has made so many changes to better protect players. Mandatory breaks. Doctors analysing every contest in game. HIA tests. Medical panels reviewing players' history. Not to mention all the changes to what qualifies as a report these days. Can we just let these changes work and stop trying to fix everything. The players who have had long term issues played in eras where players would get knocked out cold, wake up, and then go back on the field.

[@1refi]

Leigh matthews and eddie called this ages ago about knees ending up.being questioned. Game is done of this is even being spoken about. I'm over it.

[@azzaprime7257]

Notice how its Collingwood players causing most of these serious injuries. 2 from Moore and 1 career ending from Maynard.

[@jaisabai4155]

Moore is using his knee as a weapon.

[@sambarillaro4176]

The game is being diluted to the point of being non recognisable, so sad for our great game

[@andregreen8040]

Incessant rule changes won’t stop until they end up replacing the goal posts with basketball rings. The 10 COMMANDMENTS OF AUSTRALIAN RULES FOOTBALL ( Before it became a hodgepodge hybrid of soccer and basketball ) 1.Round the neck 2. Below the knees 3. Push in the back 4. Holding the man 5. Dropping the ball 6. Holding the ball 7. Run too far without bouncing 8. Kicking out on the full 9. Shepherding and protecting team mate taking possession of ball (ALLOWED within the rules ) Eliminating head contact. 10.Player must kick the ball over the head of man on the mark after free kick awarded.

[@chris8534]

Just wear a helmet - or sign a waiver - and go nuts

[@dashman13]

@@chris8534 too right! this should be mandatory for every player that ever plays AFL. I know that the argument against it says that it won't cover everything. Then my question then. Is, why ever have a contract for anything at all if it doesn't mean anything. Bloody ridiculous sometimes isn't it!?

[@andrewscott1653]

OMG… Eddie is insufferable

[@1refi]

Yet the 2 blokes who played agree with him.

[@ajaxcatch]

Welcome to the Grand final of 2028 in conjunction with touch football and basketball australia

[@PulauSwan]

I doubt you'll ever see DM play in front of a pack, cos he knows how many knees are going to hit him. He'd look like a bruised pin cushion in two or three weeks. He trains from behind, jumping into a mattress held on someone's back. My question is this: if you can see anyone about to jump into someone's back, why can't you legally take him out of that contest . Push him in the side, when the ball is within 5 metres of the contest. The rules are evolving & too complicated for a pleb like me. Can an officienado out there , give us a clue , please?

[@vigour6786]

I've said the same for years and got ridiculed for agreeing with Kane on the videos where he was highlighting the head knocks the last couple years but the truth is that this was always going to be a strong discussion and with the protection and limitations on dangerous acts in football you need to address these moments too. Having a shoulder bump to the head would be just as dangerous as a knee to the back of the head, or into the side of your ribs yet one is punishable and one isn't. The solution is simple, keep these acts in the game so we can admire a great specky or intercept mark from behind but if you concuss or injure the player you're opposing then you should also miss the same amount of weeks that the injured player does.

[@mytwosense9135]

That what was said about the 'bump' and now it's completely gone. Go watch soccer.

[@vigour6786]

@@mytwosense9135 You can still bump though, the only change that happened was around if it was in the area of play and reasonable to a contest, you’re now not allowed to line a player up who’s going for the ball, run past the ball, and clean them up when they’re exposed. The reason you don’t see it more often is because A) players aren’t trained in that play style anymore by coaches, it’ll hinder their positioning and B) risk to reward ratio

[@Comatosedpeanut]

@@vigour6786you can only bump if you get lucky and the bloke you bump lands a certain way or is in the correct position. The bump is dead.

[@BigRigWA]

So you want no marking contests for a high ball.

[@vigour6786]

@@Comatosedpeanut it’s not about how the player lands, it’s about the contest for the ball like I stated previously. I agree the bump isn’t what it used to be but that doesn’t mean players aren’t allowed to do it anymore, I already explained it in my previous comment.

[@CHUCKALUCKALUCKA]

Yeah, there's room to get rid of the knee to someone's back/neck/head and not outlaw speckies. It's entirely inconsistent that we have a "push in the back" rule, but a "knee to the spleen" is okay. It's all about force and injury outcomes

[@jk63001]

you don't need the knee to be raised to take a mark...the raised knee in the past was used to protect the player attempting to the mark ...the front on rule mitigates the player attempting to mark getting injured ...ban the raised knee imo

[@kokmuncher6702]

The afl have gone way over the top trying to protect injuries. Need to take a few steps back and just accept the fact there is going to be injuries. You can’t just keep changing the rules, the game is already a shadow of what it used to be. If it keeps going the way it’s going the game will have no fans left in 10 years

[@Rowsy91]

As an outsider I agree with this Lloyd guy almost every video

[@mickm2293]

Jacko said years ago there should be an independent AFL Rules board that the AFL has no power to change all the rules all the time. I agree with him.

[@brewitbear]

About Andrew Brayshaw. Helmets are overrated, and encourage bad habits. Phil Hughes, the only Australian test cricketer to be killed by a bouncer, was wearing a helmet. He had developed the dangerous habit of ducking blindly , taking his eye off the ball. Ian Chappell saw the problem but was ignored.

[@jimethota]

Eddie is so wrong about the boxing/UFC analogy

[@johnwilliams4545]

It will free up a lot of winter weekend time if they do this.

[@collo.174]

bro i would never watch another game in my life if that gets outlawed

[@eligabriel6264]

Have to be honest here and agree with Lloydy on the ‘people being lost with our game’ comment. I am more and more being drawn to NRL because of its toughness and combative nature. Some people at the AFL are destroying the game and people like myself are getting sick of it. Risk and danger is good sometimes and makes bravery and leadership so much better. If the AFL continue to soften the game I just won’t watch or go anymore because I may as well go and watch ultimate frisbee. It makes me quite sad to realise the state of the game right now

[@weekends4xploring325]

It all comes down to the lawsuits after the game.

[@mikefranco436]

This… 100%. The only way to avoid it going down this path is to find a way that the AFL isn’t going to be subject to lawsuit after lawsuit from past players.

[@springraptor8813]

Since when did Eddie played Gaelic football?

[@nedcassidy5320]

Players are getting paid hundereds of thousands of dollars they know the risks of all of this just ridiculous good on llordo

[@RabAbb199]

you can skip 2:41 - 3:40, its just eddie waffling for the sake of talking

[@kufujitsu]

Last year a doctor said if we take the bump out of the game, along with the physical clashes, the next generation of viewers would never notice, & they would still watch the game. I don't agree with that - if the AFL goes down that route & takes all physical violence out of the sport, I doubt the game would have the same impact on sports fans....🤔 It'll be like soccer, basketball, etc - 2nd tier niche sports with no mass appeal - in fact soccer & basketball would probably take over from it...🤔

[@pbfamous07]

great video great chat lloydy 100% agreee. eddie pls dont talk about ufc. that sentence told me you have zero clue about its growth and what it is globally.

[@endzhere1638]

Why are ppl worried about this happening?..... Because the AFL is run by ppl more suited to working at your local council than a national sport. Continuous rules for the exception. This game is DOOMED 😢

[@worker-wf2em]

Nothing to do with that. It’s a legal issue when in 10 years the AFL is facing class action after class action

[@jackwaite4035]

The games already dead, if you don’t think the legal precedent has already been set your heads in the clouds.

[@Darfaultner]

Darcy Moore needs to get some back

[@Thomas-dn8dr]

I can see a future where helmets might be made compulsory. It wouldn't solve all the issues though.

[@virgilvandijk9900]

Moore has injured 2 players in 2 weeks. He’s a thug mate 🤣

[@mickdonedee1]

You can't get lift without raising the knee. Unfortunately, the victim gets caught standing stationary under the ball. The victim, who is watching the ball, can't see the running defender coming at them with the intent of making hard impact. The victim is usually praised for his/her courage. That's how courage is shown in the game of AFL. Should courageous acts like that be removed from the game. I personally think gang tackles of 3 or more players should be outlawed if you want to remove dangerous acts.

[@timmartland01]

The knee isn't the problem. It is the driving of the knee that is the problem. If Moore contested those marks more side on (with the side of his knee) rather than the swinging pendulum motion that he did (with the point of the knee), then there wouldn't have been serious injuries. That is my issue with Moore. He is swinging the point of his knee right into the most vulnerable part of the back rather than using the knee to support himself.

[@Comatosedpeanut]

So what you want Moore to do is not make a contest unless he can do it more side on? That’s genuinely insane.

[@jaisabai4155]

Moore is using his knee as a weapon.

[@danielisenhood7086]

I don’t like that Moore was only ever intending to spoil. Both times. Why are knees necessary? That act can’t be umpired. But it can be tribunaled (not a word I know). If you cause injury without marking intent, it’s a week.

[@juliekeast6175]

High marking and speckies is apart of why people love the game...seeing the big guys fly. Lose that and its another distinct part of footy gone

[@MrMooremelody]

come on Lloydy, the fabric of the game was lost years ago when the banned the bump.

[@dimitriosfanourakis7016]

I am very close to walking away from our beautiful game. If they outlaw the high jumping marks, the AFL has lost me for good.

[@dilloncoleman144]

The thing is, our game is dangerous. You cant take away the possibility of injury without making it a no contact sport. I dont know any other sport in the world that feels obligated to change and manipulate the rules every single season. Leave. The. Game. Alone.

[@7star7storm7]

Yeah dozens per week.. Yet Darcey is the only one to really cause injury in the last few weeks 😂 Dawg

[@New14LO]

The afl have and should remove any actions that carry a high risk for injury, trying to remove any action that has any risk of causing injury is just changing the entire sport. It needs to be safe, but there also needs to be a line where the afl can say “we have made it as safe as we can, but there are still risks involved which is apart of the afl sport”

[@Comatosedpeanut]

Nothing wrong with what Darcy Moore has done there. If you back into a contest or go into any contest you should expect contact. Been that way for 150 years. The afl has become so reactionary to anything and everything now.

[@quantummmmmmmm]

Soon you won't be able to mark the football lol

[@DeanWhipper]

This entire discussion is so farcical, either you're fair dinkum about preventing concussion or you aren't. You can't be fair dinkum about it but say ohh we can't stop speccies because they are a part of the game.

[@fuzz7981]

People wanting boxing to be safer had nothing to do with the founding of the UFC and the sport of MMA. It was originally much, much more brutal than boxing and was almost completely bereft of rules. Eddie, if you are uninformed don’t present your epiphanies as facts.

[@johnnyrockets10]

That's his point buddy. By trying to make boxing safer they turned fans away to MMA (I have no idea if this is true but that's what he is saying). Reasoning by analogy - if they try and make the AFL too safe, fans and sports players will turn to another sport (and one that is potentially even less safe). I guess this is why we did reading comprehension at primary school (and I guess you were one of the many kids that were terrible at it).

[@Geromi87]

Media is ruining our game.. Please stop this stupid conversation

[@jimbonaddio]

Eddie lost any integrity years ago---Broken Vertebrae ---fact as long as nobody winges when a collingwood player gets one...

[@df5614]

Netball anyone...

[@laurens4561]

130 years? isn't the sport over 170 years old?

[@RexAlfieLee]

The knees in the back is dangerous. It should be outlawed. I used to play & I climbed people without ever causing harm to them. A knee on the shoulder may be embarrassing for the ridden player but it doesn't hurt them.

[@devilwarr1or]

If you're going to endlessly introduce new rules to try and stop every single injury from happening then stop playing the game. Cant bump, cant tackle, cant slide, cant jump.....whats left?

[@PTPavlos]

It’s almost always the same blokes. Moore and Maynard.

[@georgep9059]

dont destroy our game😢

[@maestrovonhuge9397]

UFC Eddie, are you for real? You get head kicked, choked, elbowed, kneed, how the is that safer than boxing?

[@johnnyrockets10]

Think you missed his point buddy

[@maestrovonhuge9397]

@@johnnyrockets10 they went to UFC cause boxing is rigged

[@Hunty49]

I've always thought knee pads were a good thing. Especially for ruck men when they were doing MCL's from knee clashes. Not crazy tradie knee pads, but ones like what volleyball players wear.

[@pepenips5095]

Lloyd one of the biggest people to talk about concussion and dangerous tackle now he is against ban a knee to the head, good work Lloyd you actually don’t care about concussions you just care about the discussion

[@jackwaite4035]

Lloydy mate, you’ve totally missed the point. Leigh and Kane are pointing out the complete hypocrisy of those at AFL house, they aren’t calling for a ban or initiating a conversation.

[@mytwosense9135]

Lethal literally said 'I'd seriously look at it' when asked if he'd ban the speccy.

[@thetwogardens6048]

Just give the players NFL style padding and Helmet and take it from there .

[@ronbr1000]

Eddie running cover for Moore.......? Funny how Moore has been able to disable the best opposition player in 2 weeks. Never seen front of a pack. Likes to come from behind.

[@trevorstephenson4293]

I hardly watch AFL now, the game is so frustrating to watch and has gone to soft. With all the rule changes the umpires don't even know how to umpire a game of AFL now.

[@jakotae]

Eddie's bias toward pies players is ridiculous. Moore has caused serious injury by lifting his knee to cause hurt.

[@mattstewart996]

You’re delusional

[@paulkyriakopoulos3444]

And you ARE biased against Eddie and the Collingwood football club dude 😊

[@richardbehan8118]

100%. I have nothing against protecting yourself by putting your knee out, but the way Moore does it is really dirty.

[@nidge8703]

Yeah it’s almost like he has or has had some type of affiliation with the Collingwood Football Club

[@Comatosedpeanut]

Nothing wrong with the way Darcy Moore goes into a contest.

[@simonkaye7268]

Yes ban this. Also ban, jumping, running fast (only jogging aloud) and touching another player. Now, just throw out a round ball. If so, it's bye bye to our great game and thousand of followers.

[@leemichael7318]

If I had billions I would start a new league international Australian football league branch out overseas keep the hard bumps keep the speckkies hard tackles the games changed so much I don't even enjoy watching it any more it sucks I find my self watching old games before 2005 now more entertainment

[@longjohn5322]

Wipe the dribble from your chin Ed.

[@darylcumming7119]

Looking for a story?. Hysteria?

[@scottbrushett152]

Hmmm Play on.! Nothing to see or report here

[@richardbehan8118]

The question shouldn't be about the action, it should be about Moore's technique.

[@scottbrushett152]

@@richardbehan8118 what eyes on the ball with the knee up to protect himself from contact….??? What’s the problem with that If you’re around a pack , backing into a pack or even one out stationary expect contact… If the AFL is serious about contact with the head etc instead of changing every rule maybe they should consider making padded helmets are part of the game… or something along the lines of that… it’s a contact sport the duty of care is to inform players of the risk when they play…which I’m pretty sure they are aware of … as long as the contact is within the fabric of the game it’s play on…like honestly too many non issues being discussed by the media these days..

[@Comatosedpeanut]

@@richardbehan8118nothing wrong with moores technique.

[@richardbehan8118]

@@Comatosedpeanut yes there is. You don't drive your knee into players, that's what dirty dogs do.

[@richardbehan8118]

@@scottbrushett152 that knee he is putting out there isn't to protect himself. Go play a few games of footy and you might actually understand the difference.

[@reverie24]

game will be ruined by these concussion rules and other rule changes, they only ever get stricter, they pay fewer HTB, players are soft since there's less incentive to tackle, can just throw the ball away or drop it to dispose

[@richardbehan8118]

Moore's technique is that of a dirty player.

[@Comatosedpeanut]

Thats cap. You are soft.

[@richardbehan8118]

@@Comatosedpeanut no. I'm just not a dog., but I'm guessing you are.

[@1refi]

​@@richardbehan8118and Ur the problem. Doing nothing different than any other defender has been for years. Go play touch footy.

[@billy75chook80]

​@Comatosedpeanut I think if the player gets injured and ruled out of a game then give the player as many weeks suspension as the injur3d player

[@mikefranco436]

Sounds like you have never run and jumped in your life… the natural movement of running and jumping leads to one knee up, the other leg straight. People just love to throw the dirty player tag around. I’d be guessing you - and most people who throw that around - never played a serious game of footy in your life.

[@pancakes4140]

Running has produced numerous hamstring injuries. Let's ban running.

[@australian2]

Dog act kneeing people in back

[@chrisrex9086]

Lloydo rVo

[@stuhead7607]

Oh cmon where are you going with this? Are we trying to turn the game into tag footy, let’s have zero contact…..oh get over yourself!

[@MournfulMystic]

Foory will be extinct in 5 years the way it's going :(

[@brettread1347]

It will end up Gaelic, move on.

[@johnmac333]

Stick a fork in the AFL , it's done .Thankyou feminism for the long march through this institution

[@user-cx9gq2ud6t]

Pies doing their best to try and injure opponents. Flogs

[@abandonedstraya5264]

After this year I’m not watching footy anymore it’s unwatchable it’s boring and dull it has been for years at this point.

[@daniellebcooper7160]

No one complained about any of this back in the 70's. AFL has become to infected with WOKE.

[@Comatosedpeanut]

100% it’s so reactionary too. Anytime something bad happens they wanna change the rules. Accidents happen and I wouldn’t even call the petracca one an accident, just unlucky.

[@patkelly6349]

Exactly.

[@sebastiansanmartin8157]

Define woke

[@user-cx9gq2ud6t]

Darcy is trans, of course it’s woke lol

[@Bloodynine606]

Including Leigh Matthews

[@crazefitt5029]

Your telling me Mykelti Lefau didn't make the cut y'all got no footy knowledge flogs , yes should be banned

[@Derek-gs5fr]

Racist club of all time Collingwood

[@sandyamenta9311]

Ok clown

[@m3tamonk3y4]

Trash journalists with nothing to talk about.

[@revalationrevaltion9291]

I fff knew woke crap will kill of our game

[@matthewbeale8570]

A once a mad supporter of our beloved game footy. I find myself caring less and less with each season that passes. I've been to one game each year for the last 5 years. As it being a tradition with my best friend.. And have never turned the TV on to watch a game. I check the end scores and the ladder. Which takes a couple of minutes. Then I'm out.. Footy has become a joke...

[@Benhall1]

If the AFL bands the knee I quit watching AFL.

[@tommasovotino9913]

The game was destroyed years ago by over powered clowns thinking they r engineers of football .Nothing has change still plenty of clowns till this day destroying the game .