YouTube is FINALLY taking Spam seriously!

[@AnAnonymousAuditor]

24:03 "There is a considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." -Yosemite Park Ranger on why it's hard to design a bear-proof garbage can.

[@SirCaco]

"They've been doing something for a while" "What do you mean, they removed the dislike button!" EXACTLY dude. We used to be able to just downvote spam comments to death and once a certain dislike threshold was reached, the comment would be automatically hidden by default. That's just one of the many great features KZbin used to have, and, inexplicably, no longer does.

[@babybirdhome]

And with each iteration, Google makes more money but the platform becomes worse for the users. It isn’t hard to see what the priority is.

[@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme]

pretty sure it didn't work like that

[@bradhaines3142]

@@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme it actually did, just like videos being recommended less because of a bad dislike ratio so people didnt watch them to begin with

[@RunicSigils]

@@bradhaines3142 that has never been a thing. Likes mean a thing is popular dislikes mean a thing is controversial. Either way the more likely you are to interact with it is good to them. Videos like Friday or the last YT rewind were not magically hidden just because most people disliked them. It was only ever true of comments and technically the comments still existed meaning it still boosted the video in the algorithm so they had no reason to care whether or not it was in sight.

[@fsociety6983]

@@RunicSigils "Videos like Friday or the last YT rewind were not magically hidden just because most people disliked them." NPC logic. He said they got recommended less, not that they were "magically hidden". If you can't understand the person you're replying to, you shouldn't be debating them

[@soloseer8414]

The thing Linus was talking about where he doesn't see ads is actually very common, and it's a form of "banner blindness." People got so used to seeing banner ads on sites and knowing they didn't care about them that, for many, our brains literally just stopped registering banners (ads or otherwise) and deeming them as unimportant and not worth the time to process. Apparently banner blindness can also refer to conscious ignoring of ads, but I always heard it talked about as the unconscious filtering, which is how I experienced it, and it feels fitting, as it basically does feel like being blind to the banner ads.

[@thomasa5619]

I almost have that with KZbin ads too, they’ll serve me a survey asking if I’ve seen ads for whatever businesses, I’ll say no, then I’ll get one and be like “oh yeah I have. Still not using it tho” When KZbin ads on the first thing on my mind is “what channel am I watching?” Followed by “how long is this ad, can I skip after 30 seconds to get the creator paid”

[@federico339]

I have both conscious and unconscious. For example on websites and such where there banners covering texts I just don't register their existence, instead on KZbin for example I have to actively think on just focus on the skip ad button to not pay attention to the ad. At least I did until I got YT premium. On Twitch I also just mute the stream when there are ads and unmute it when they are done, in that case I pay attention to the small stream window in the top right.

[@sentientcardboarddumpster7900]

I have a mix of both, im pretty good at ignoring ads and even better at not retaining them. Except some of the jingles and songs. I hate ads.

[@sentientcardboarddumpster7900]

@Federico Di Liberto I fast forward thru sponsored ads and I'll never feel bad about it

[@babybirdhome]

Oh wow, I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum. If I see an ad, I have to stop and remove it from the screen before I’ll even start reading any content. And if it’s too difficult to remove, I’ll just close that tab and go on living my life as if that content never existed in the first place. Ads are so horrendously overzealous these days that I’m completely non-functional on the internet if I’m stuck using something that doesn’t block ads. I’m just not capable of even processing anything when they’re there.

[@nottelling6598]

Unsurprising news: The Live Chat auto-moderation is shadowbanning actual viewers, including subscribers. There's no way for the streamer to turn it off or change anything.

[@R3_dacted0]

Not just subscribers. But channel members as well. With over a year's worth of membership. Also KZbin Premium subscribers as well.

[@Her_Imperious_Condescension]

How do they always fight issues in literally the absolute worse way possible?

[@dertythegrower]

I got instantly autobanned for saying "I wishy frenchy was here" that was my last livechat. Then I used a phone and noticed and that was banned one hour later. Makes you wonder.

[@dertythegrower]

I mod and use livechat and now I cannot use it unless I am a moderator in the chatroom ... which is like 1 of 10 i talk in per night.

[@dertythegrower]

@@R3_dacted0 🎯

[@ggwp638BC]

The thing about ad tolerance is absolutely real. I don't know why my brain makes this association, but I have the same exact response of browsing without adblock as I'd have walking into a dirty room old room. You know that feeling when the environment is so dirty you start feeling dirty? Trying to avoid touching anything? That's how it feels to me to browse with ads. It's weird, I know, but it's so strong that downloading adblock is literally the first thing I do on any computer I have to use. Even if it's 5 minutes. Sometimes even without telling the owner. I even avoid browsing on my phone (using the web browser/chrome, not talking about apps) because of ads.

[@MuffinTastic]

Pihole helps some for phones. Also modified KZbin apps that remove ads. Android is a given, but they exist on iOS too, and you don't even have to jailbreak your phone!

[@pjuster2]

Opera Mobile or Firefox on Android with ublock is a good option if you want a mobile ad blocker

[@TagetesAlkesta]

@@MuffinTastic The Lockdown app for iOS filters a lot of ads. It’s not perfect but I’d say it gets like 80% of them, which isn’t bad for a free app that minimally affects performance.

[@teseo5544]

KZbin vanzed goes brrrrrr

[@SplendidKunoichi]

for me its not even a personal thing as far as PC goes, a while ago adblock just started seeming actually dangerous to do without. on my phone I just deal with it but i think that's "tolerance" in a different sense, like what linus was saying. eventually a page can serve you a full screen of ads, and as long as you can see even a sliver of content without clicking an x your brain will literally refuse to process any of them even being there

[@TacticalBeard]

Every time KZbin asks if I’m satisfied with KZbin I say no

[@gofreenow]

Do you even pay for it?

[@gondorianslayer4250]

@@gofreenow stop giving the left money fool.

[@dirtydan6098]

@@gofreenow …go on

[@TacticalBeard]

@@dirtydan6098 let him dig his hole lol

[@ryoukaip]

@@gofreenow i do, i pay with my privacy, is that enough?

[@det_onate]

i love how this just devolved into a conversation of how easily distracted yall are :)) ive never felt so at home lmao love this community.

[@archivedfrytoastfrill9675]

Absolutely hilarious how it ends with them acknowledging that Linus will get sidetracked easily and will bring you along with the ride after 10 minutes of getting sidetracked and bring Luke along with the ride.

[@youdontknowme5969]

Squirrel? Squirrel!

[@1738Crafting]

Nvme storage is very fast, ain’t that right lukey boy 🤔

[@guerbie7312]

Funniest shit I have heard from them in a long time :)

[@pair_of_fins]

I wonder how many thousands upon thousands of dollars scammers have stolen thanks to KZbin's painfully slow reaction to this

[@teslainvestah5003]

KZbin made 75Bn/year when I last checked several years ago, so if we could imagine comment section scams being 2% as effective as youtube ads, that industry would be measured in the billions of dollars. maybe not, but tens or hundreds of millions is still likely.

[@3rdHalf1]

I rather have scammers in chat, than 5 ads in 10 minute video. Maybe chat needs to be YTRed only.

[@timnone2924]

@@dertythegrower if they listened to you nothing would get done with how much you talk just in these comments

[@dertythegrower]

@@timnone2924 What are you even talking about little kid? I have one reply here above

[@oldfrend]

the money isn't the issue. it's the hit to their reputation that would be the long term harm. like if it got so bad all legit viewers just ignored the comments; they gotta put a stop to that.

[@ritwikism]

I can't imagine how my mom watches all these ads while watching food recipes on KZbin. I even told her I'll get her premium but she insists the ads are not that intrusive since she's used to 10 mins of ads in a 30 min episode slot on TV.

[@bdhale34]

She's not wrong. Most people anymore are just too impatient and think they are too good to ignore the ads when they pop onto the screen. Comment sections of any LTT video mentioning ads is proof of it. Thousands of people who think they are too special to be subjected to the horror of watching even a single advertisement that pays for what they are watching. It's crazy.

[@thomasa5619]

I spend ad time in the comments section instead, eyeing the timer so I can skip after 30 seconds and get the creator paid *if it’s a creator I respect

[@xeon2k8]

adblocker much?

[@Ryleeman54number2]

@@bdhale34 Why should I have to watch ads? Why do you sit on a high horse cause you watch ads? Adblock has literally saved me countless hours of time. Times one thing you cant get back. Sure tho I think im "too good"

[@Arterexius]

@@bdhale34 And how much did you earn watching all those ads of yours? Surely you must have gotten something useful out of your time. If not, you're really just accepting to be pwned constantly by the upper class at Wall Street

[@SKPetel]

this is absolutly an ADHD thing, I have literally the exact same reading stories from back in school, the same complete disconnection in conversations, hearing Linus talk about his attention is like hearing myself

[@SKPetel]

also I wish more people would be as understanding to ADHD as luke is

[@kstricl]

Not diagnosed with ADHD, but kind of resonates for me. I would definitely read something and focus on things other than what I was supposed to. Then there are all those lovely rabbit holes...

[@TheHammerGuy94]

@@SKPetel unfortunately, there's enough people in the world that prefers to shut down topics involving mental health concerns. as someone with ADHD, it's interfering with a lot of my life, including my academics and my content creator life. and my fam just thinks I just dont want to put effort, or just don't have willpower. darn conservatives...

[@GamingFreeak]

Same! More ADHDTechTips please

[@darrenrossler5538]

Bro I would read books so much in class that I would get detentions lmao

[@fissilereptile]

Ive never seen a "how did this video make you feel?" survey. Mostly I get surveys asking if I would consider buying something from a certain brand or if I've heard of a movie, and I just refuse to do those

[@enginerd80]

I've been asked that multiple times. Pretty much every time it was about a video I hadn't watched. More precisely, videos that I had started to watch, but in the very beginning realized that I'll have to do something else first. And then I get the question _before_ I've had time to finish it. I don't remember being asked once about a video that I had watched to the end and either liked it, or perhaps decided not to push the like -- so maybe the questions are about videos where KZbin couldn't figure out my judgement about the video? 🤔🤷

[@BrotherWitch]

A bit disturbing that its taken this long to address the spam issue. Thanks for the info!

[@KeVsPIXEL]

Hey at least it's a step towards things we've all been complaining to yt..... for 15+ years now.

[@Max128ping]

@@KeVsPIXEL To be fair, Spam is been something TECH INDUSTRY WIDE problem since the 90s, since the DAWN OF THE INTERNET. So not surprise that youtube, a company that spam literal countries even struggled to tackle this

[@ArchusKanzaki]

Y'know, when I was in High-school, I basically have 2 different grade. The normal grade, and the behaviour grade. I was always pretty afraid that I might get held back entirely because my teacher may misunderstand me and seriously give me "C" on behaviour. My eyes naturally don't have much eye-lids so teacher might misunderstand I'm actually sleeping in class and might get docked on behaviour for that.... in fact, my teacher complained to my parents which then told me which is why I'm always afraid. It does not help that I sometimes space out during the class, but can still hear and understand what my teachers are saying so I can still answer and connect to them. I'm not sure whether it contributes or not to my sleepy-looking eyes, but yeah, I was always afraid during the final report days.

[@ItsRickysChannelSHORTS]

Another thing with ads is, they are more annoying on KZbin and online than TV I have figured, yeah ads can be repetitive on tv but I notice it a lot more with KZbin, where I keep seeing the same exact ad anytime an ad spot occurs. Another thing is, online ads are cheaply made unlike TV spots (Tiktok and mobile game ads being worst offenders in my opinion), and I find tv spots a tad more interesting AND TOLERABLE to watch to the point I actually find an ad I've seen on the TV, on a KZbin video weirdly cathartic.

[@InvaderMEEN]

holy frick when linus got into what he was like in grade school, i felt a resonance in my _soul_ . gonna send a clip of this to my parents, because that was literally me.

[@PurgedBagel]

Great tip to quickly skip ads / double ads: on phone and probably on desktop as well, you can report the add, put "no longer see this ad" and mark it as one of the three options, that will immediately skip those ads. i always mark it as inapropriate because it's so inapropriate to show me that many stupid ads

[@lastwymsi]

I used to do that, but they took away my ability to do so :( Now I only have a "why this add?" Button on every add.

[@Drag0ny]

"Single tasking four things at once" is the best way to describe ADD I've ever heard

[@ivoryowl]

Sounds good... on paper. The question is how effective this algorithm is and whether or not they also touched the shadow-banning parameters to be even more aggressive than before... In other words, have they made the censorship worse?

[@MrRoblox1377]

Yes. Do we even need to ask? Of course they will

[@iambrd1543]

@@MrRoblox1377 but it's possibly a tradeoff that's needed if you want to converse with someone without being interrupted by spam/scams. Me personally, I don't mind if it means more censorship, as long as it isnt outright ridiculous.

[@TownspersonB]

@@iambrd1543 I and many others have been shadow banned from all live stream chats. Including members only content for channels we've been members to for months or years. It's ridiculous.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62]

it's kind of like antibiotics: they'll probably kill off the bots and whatnot, but they'll take good people and subscribers along with them too.

[@cypherfunc]

Luke is the coworker every ADHDer needs 🤣😂❤

[@sebastianvangen]

Low class on you.

[@gmscott9319]

13:50 I have a similar "problem". Maybe because of the banner ads from the '90s, but my brain completely ignores anything colorful in a rectangle. There've been times when I'm using software and I could not find a button I was supposed to click. I asked someone else and they were like, "It's right there, in the center of the screen! Big and green!" And I was like, "Oh, I didn't even see that."

[@the7observer]

"KZbin is FINALLY taking Spam seriously!" me: *DOUBT*

[@fdk7014]

It's strange that their "algorithm" can't detect that a user is posting the exact same comment 1000 times under a video but if you happen to use even slightly colorful language your comment is immediately removed.

[@adam_roman]

Linus's story about math is very relatable, I'd zone out and have the anxiety snap back to reality when they'd say "added", "add them", etc

[@TheUnknownCatWarrior]

"They removed the dislike button" now how will I know if the video I'm watching is absolute garbage?

[@ivoryowl]

There's an extension called "Return KZbin Dislikes".

[@TheUnknownCatWarrior]

@@ivoryowl ik

[@TheUnknownCatWarrior]

@@ivoryowl and what if your not on pc?

[@raghav1026]

@@TheUnknownCatWarrior nothing you can do then sadly

[@mosti72]

@@TheUnknownCatWarrior KZbin Revanced or use Firefox

[@makingtechsense126]

I have noticed that KZbin will adjust the knobs occasionally and really crank up the ads for videos that allow midroll ads. When that happens I just stop watching KZbin for a few days and it seems to calm back down. I have also noticed that the amount of ads, and the number of un-skippable ads, depends on the device you are using.

[@Dougie373]

Jesus I wish most people dealt with their ADHD friends and colleagues like Luke does.

[@justanoman6497]

I have a reasonable tolerance of ads, because I'm aware that's how the sites stay up. It is my payment to those sites to let the ads be. However, if it gets excessive, I will block them. It does feel that in recent years, ads have became more aggressive, especially youtube which I blocked about 2 years ago due to double ads AND mid roll ads. I'm not entirely sure how much it is due to greed and how much it is due to increasing amount of people using ad blockers such that they must milk more out of the ones who didn't. If it is mostly the latter, I'd actually support Google's attempt to block ad blockers (on yt at least) if, alongside that, they reduce the amount of ads served. But I find that unlikely.

[@Destilight]

One big problem I found is that sometimes KZbin asks me "do you like this recommendation" for a video I've never watched I can't see the video and THEN answer the question because the question only appears before I press and disappears once I go back. It's kind of weird

[@defaultkoala2922]

Linus, in middle school some of our students made a video making fun of the teachers in the building, showing the overused phrases, strange habits, or tiny mistakes that were memorable. The teachers thought it was a great idea and made one themselves pointing out the things students did that were either funny, annoying or weird. Three of the 25 segments were devoted to me reading in the middle of class that same exact way you talk about in the video.

[@StatusFX3]

1. Favorite WAN convo ever 2. KZbin enforces a hard 2.0 K/D requirement for the privilege of commenting

[@tyrannicpuppy]

The school section was delightful. When I was younger, I didn't understand why it was called Attention DEFICIT Disorder. Because when something drew my attention, it got ALL OF IT! I was utterly absorbed in that information. To the exclusion of everything else. But now I'm older, I understand it was the everything else they were getting at. Same as described here, I would be entirely in my own world, oblivious to all else, and then want to share my thing, no matter what other people were doing at the time. Still do it even now, but I did eventually learn to bite my tongue so I don't immediately spew it all over the other people. But my brain will still latch onto a thing to the exclusion of all. I enjoy TV, video games, fanfiction, D&D, KZbin, etc. And I can usually find a balance for all these things, with peaks and troughs as I meant lean on one or two more than others for a bit. But when I find a new something. Be it a new game, a new story, a new channel, a new song even... I will become utterly obsessed with it. To the exclusion of all my other interests that that very morning could have been the most important thing in my world. It's fascinating, infuriating, and enthralling all at once. At one point, I was hammering our new chapters to my fanfics every week, every few days at one stage. The muse was just endlessly providing. Then a friend got me interested in D&D and EVERYTHING else fell by the wayside. I was engrossed in only D&D. I wasn't playing video games, wasn't watching any KZbin that wasn't D&D themed, didn't write for months. I became completely consumed by the new thing until my brain managed to settle it back into part of the rhythm with all the rest. The hyperfixation is great for learning that new thing, but boy does everything else suffer as a result.

[@TownspersonB]

KZbin shadow banned me and many others from live chats despite us just being real fans of steamers. Noticed it first in a members only stream (so I couldn't even live chat in paid content) and now I can't leave live chat comments in any streams. Or rather, I can leave comments but they won't show up for anyone, not even myself if I use another device or refresh the current chat.

[@ghosthunter0950]

I just want to state that their machine learning bot that removes comments is horrendous. I wrote comments on a video that talked about certain KZbinr channels not being transparent about sponsorships. and I commented for him to checkout a channel with a video that weirdly promoted NFTS without disclosing any payments. My comments were constantly being removed from there.

[@starminer7z746]

They swear up and down that monetization doesn’t affect the algorithm even though every KZbinr can show their analytics that show that videos flatline when they get demonetized

[@rasmuslarsen77]

I’m tech savvy, but gladly watch KZbin ads. That’s because I’m a student with low income, but I still want to support creators like Linus Media Group. My classmates rolls eyes at me and screams about ad blockers😂

[@SuperGothDog]

I'm glad to say that Linus and Luke, I'm very satisfied with you both! Cheers from Australia!

[@Kikay0n]

You are dead right about adverts. My children have hardly ever seen a commercial. When they do it’s almost like they are defenseless though too! I’ve wondered what to do about that aspect for a while!

[@thewiirocks]

"We don't enable midroll ads" - Midroll ad starts...

[@RennaRoze]

someone tell Linus about ludwig's youttube extension Truffle. it makes the CHAT EXP a lot easier to read and interact both for the user and the streamer.

[@majoryoshi]

maybe i’m out of touch, but didn’t the streamer need to request access for it from ludwig? so even if it was on his radar it would still be on ludwig to allow it

[@artoro8]

@@majoryoshi no it rolled out fully, either way it's Linus 💀 Ludwig would get him access immediately

[@RennaRoze]

@@majoryoshi Ludwig opened it to everyone a while back i believe

[@majoryoshi]

@@RennaRoze alright, thanks for the correction! didn’t know about that

[@SnoozinFox]

I think they already talked about this extension a few months ago on WAN, that extension sounds familiar. It was a youtube-related WAN show for sure

[@KandyChoppe]

I refuse to believe that midrolls don't affect retention at large because when I'm on my Firestick and get 5 ads in a 12-minute video(which is every single time I try to watch youtube on Firestick) I just get fed up and watch Netflix instead.

[@TheMartuksxxxx]

I had a midroll ad 5 seconds before you said you dont do midroll ads

[@rashakawa]

I was 1 min into the video and got a ad

[@RagicaltheUnhallowedKnight]

I don't see ads either, I mostly notice when I have to scroll more than usual

[@duartefilipepereiraneves6933]

I love how ADHD is a part of the creative process of Linus. I wish I could manage mine 😅

[@Sylkis89]

whenever I see snippets of how ads work on USAmerican TV it blows my mind. You watch news and then there's an ad simultaneously in the corner alongside news on the sliding bar at the bottom. And then there is a fullblown ad playing out seeming like it's a report from some place of some event, only after seconds you realise something is off. Shit like that is totally illegal in the country I'm from. There are no ads allowed side by side the content you're watching, and when a commercial starts there has to be as very clear splash screen with an indicator, a jingle and a writing on the screen, that a commercial is about to start, and then another one when it ends, so you can't get confused what's a commercial and what is an ad. And it's crazy to me when I see snippets that don't use that. It's surreal and insanely offputting and would make me not watch TV at all

[@Mikkel111]

Ironic that there’s multiple midroll ads on this video.

[@eken81]

One thing with KZbin ads that I massively dislike is how you can't stop certain ads or certain companies that you get ads from from showing up. The reporting you can do seems to do very little, you just get a slightly different ad from the same company. And the system for your interests that I assume should give you ads you like seems very hit and miss. Another thing on ads on TV. I live in Sweden and we have an ads supported channel that otherwise is free. Channel 4. They often start a movie at 9pm. With ad breaks atleast every 30mins. Just before 10pm it is ads, news, ads again and you have lost 30min of film watching time. Watching their films are just the worst. But since about a year I don't have a TV anymore. I stream what I want to watch.

[@jani25654]

6:14 That used to be a thing when youtube was new, and a few years ago there was an experiment on youtube labs about star rating videos instead of like / dislike, and it basically was hate / dislike / meh / like / super like, and if it was anything less than like, it wouldn't add it to your "liked" playlist which was BS, i would have preferred options like dislike / meh / like 1 / like 2 / like 3 for different "weightings" on how much you liked it.

[@RagicaltheUnhallowedKnight]

From what I've seen (semi controlled) is that any video which is limited from the start or after the fact will instantly lose traction if it was wrongly self-certified with either the bot or the "human reviewer" setting it to limited. Any limited video set to limited correctly by the uploader tends to gain traction, but that traction is overall a lot less than fully monetized videos. Retention, interaction seems unaffected, but the traction (pushing the video out) is somewhat influenced by limited vs fully monetized. YT speaks in half truths all the time, mostly cause they seem to have no clue either so it pays to be vague My test case is over 470 videos that gives a pretty good guestimate of how it works.

[@connorblack99]

HA! I did the reading during class thing too! My mom taught me to pay attention to the lesson for a second or two every page turn so that I still had enough context to answer the teacher’s questions if they called on me.

[@The_Cloudy_Sky]

My dad is the opposite, not super tech savvy, but if what he’s watching changes to a commercial he’ll just change the channel to something completely different. He could be watching 3 movies at the same time because he doesn’t feel like watching ads

[@cheeseisgreat24]

My ad tolerance is incredibly low and always has been. I always mute any device I watch youtube on that doesn’t have adblock on it until at least 30 seconds have passed so that I can be sure to get to just my video I wanted to watch without seeing or hearing the ad. Unless I notice it’s one of those surveys and I always just select “none of the above” and skip it.

[@pyromen321]

3:40 too many people have posted their analytics after getting demonetized for me to believe this. Once your video is demonetized, you instantly see 10x less impressions.

[@ven7165]

i got an ad blocker cause some online articles would have pop up ads that force the text to readjust and move my screen, and id have to scroll to get past the ad.

[@Vladimir_Kv]

6:10 I often get "were you satisfied with this video" short surveys popping up in my Recommendations as a separate section (like Shorts do). And these surveys, you guessed it, start with a 5 stars rating =) They've came a full circle there.

[@derx6666]

I just developed a sort of /ignore for ads. Even if my wife watches normal cable TV, if ads appear, I just zone out and ignore the content. On webpages though I ffing hate it, and whenever I'm not at home (where my firewall blocks 99.99% of all ads), and I start browsing on 5g on my phone I get annoyed so quickly that I turn on my vpn to home so my adblocker is active again :) But that static content. On video I can just ignore it real easy for some reason.

[@CyanDumBell_MC]

When comes to ads, I don't mind having 1 30 seconds long skipabble ad and if there's more than 5 ads and it's unskippable, I install an adblocker

[@Bukki13]

“Without any kind of toggle” Let’s see how well that goes

[@ihrbekommtmeinenrichtigennamen]

Mid-roll ads not affecting retention seems easy to explain to me: If minutes into a video I'm still here, I probably want to see the rest of the video. If there are ads, I probably will rather suffer through an ad and turn the volume all the way down, than miss the rest of a video that I find interesting. So retention? Yes. But being satisfied with the experience (actually satisfied, not what KZbin calls "satisfied")? No.

[@Framtastify]

Seeing normal TV now just hurts my brain. I forgot how frequent commercials are.

[@milohdd]

KZbin is one of the only places I see ads on my phone because I use a DNS server which blocks most of them, only downsides are it broke free WiFi networks and I can't click any sponsored links anymore whatsoever

[@Kafj302]

20:52 i wonder how many times you could repeat something till Linus notices, pull a kronk. might be fun to record those meetings and just see Linus spacing out, like can we as viewers recognize when Linus has zoned out

[@nathnathn]

I got a new add setup from youtube earlier today it still said 2 of 2 ads but that second one had something like 5 ads in a row. Though i only watched the first one “no clue what if anything it was for since it was one of those ads where they forget to actually mention the product” Always nice “for me” when they do that as they tend to actually make them interesting. They don’t do it often though for obvious reasons.

[@ciprianxro]

You guys are so funny! we need more ep like this! thank you. Take care.

[@moony2703]

Great to know it’s measuring satisfaction, now I just need it to measure _non-satisfaction_ in the form of ‘sees an add from a channel and then immediately goes to that channel to block them’ and also clinking ‘don’t show me this add’ type buttons _does not mean_ ‘spam me constantly with similar adds from said channel’. Also if it could keep blocked channels out of my searches that would be just great.

[@fedos]

The problem with the satisfaction surveys is KZbin presents them before you watch the video.

[@Sollace]

8:03 "There did not appear to be any difference what-so-ever [in viewer satisfaction between monitized and demonitized] Ah, but does that take into account pretty much everyone is using adblockers these days?

[@DoctorVadarWho]

Now we call him Minus Sebastian

[@erufenrito66]

12:00 "and im standing in front of of it and its like oh glowing object, me watch". This. I thought of this exact same thing, because I experience it a lot. I hate being near a TV, because it literally pulls me out of conversations.

[@addohm]

The REAL reason they don't pay attention to YT chat is because they want you to feel compelled to pay for floatplane.

[@dustinbaugh601]

the question is whether or not they will be enacting those policies in favor of scammers or not. for instance if somebody responds to a scammer with something unpleasant as is deserved but youtube instead targets the non scammer as a result of their asinine policies instead of noticing the scamer altogether.

[@john36855]

About ads in videos - my main growing up years had no ad choice either from cable TV or the internet as the ad blockers weren’t allowed on many high school or other shared computers. I see a big difference when my kids can skip an add after a few seconds. I just “endure” the ad or it doesn’t bother me as much to tune it out if I am not watching the video and am just listening to it. Growing up ads were your break time, stretch your legs, run it the bathroom, get a snack, etc. so I carry some of that mentality with me. Also the screen didn’t use to follow me when I stood up so that is and interesting change I am still processing. The flip side is my wife likes to let the ads play as she has heard that a fully played ad is better for the system as a whole. If that is true, hopefully it would be more beneficial to the content creator to have the ad view be marked as being impactful. We can’t support all content creators and this is one way (if true) we can support the videos of people who produce content we care about. If not, then at least it makes her feel better about letting ads run if the perception is that it benefits the content creator.

[@testprime4248]

KZbin does not let you skip adds. Most of the time when you jump from one video to another, you will encounter another add, and if you jump again and again, you will find out that you lose more time. Adding the fact that mobile is strong, and once an add starts playing, you need to exit fullscreen colapse the add text under the video and then you can switch the video, but then you need to decide what you want to watch, and by that moment either the skyp is available or it moved to the second add, and your attention will jump to the add. Not affecting, not totaly true, is more of a, people do not get benefits from trying to manually dodge an add. You either buy premium or install addblock.

[@B0nd3n]

but dont we still get shown ads on the videos even with that ads disabled. beacause people without partner programs still have ads on their videos

[@TheSaltyBoi]

Now they just need to deal with the issue where if I turn in-line playback off, IT SHOULD STAY OFF.

[@kyoyeou5899]

I have DEFINITLY seen that there is no midroll ads. And I love it. Thiank you so much

[@rashakawa]

I get mid roll ads every time

[@fillman86]

I would, in a second, get rid of my ADD if I could! It makes my life so much more difficult. Then again I'm also dyslexic, so i can't read like linus, and that knocks out basically learning anything that's not in video format :(

[@JamesTK]

Don't worry ADD doesn't exist anymore. You have ADHD now (allegedly). They keep renaming disorders all the time

[@eliehalimi]

@@JamesTK they are not renaming things. They are 2 different things. Please don't spread misinformation and look things up when you don't know.

[@Ryleeman54number2]

@@eliehalimi They are not 2 different things(kind of). You are using outdated knowledge. Please stop spreading misinformation

[@WowReallyWhoDoesThat]

A video that talks about ads in videos had a mid-roll add. Wen a mid-roll ad appears, I do evaluate if I want to keep watching the video or not.

[@magic_cfw]

For ads, I think also what kind of media the viewer are used to. I am in general really annoyed by ads shown mid programme, both on TV and online. I intentionally turn off the TV or switch channels if it gets annoying. I attribute this to how generally the ad is plastering itself all over the content which I was watching.

[@krazycharlie]

So KZbin's strategy against spam bots is fight fire with fire? Boy oh boy, this could go either fairly well or incredibly wrong and I'm more inclined towards the second option.

[@HaloMillennium]

I get a lot of spam lewd bots in my youtube streams still, they'll have the same exact name and spam the same thing over and over. Before it was an attempt to make a link, but because I have links disabled it was just gibberish. Now it's just emoji spam with the bot names being lewd. I hope they can manage to crack down on that sooner than later

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

Wrt mental blocks wrt ads: One of my friends worked as a web developer for a company, and the company wanted a pop-up ad (of some sort) when someone hit the home page. He implements it, and they complain "Where is the pop-up ad?". He thinks it's some bug in the page, perhaps a bug which happens on some browsers and not on others. He makes changes, and they still come back with "Where is the pop-up ad?". He's getting pretty frustrated about this, and eventually he's logging every action of every visit to the web page. He finds out that the people who *asked* for the pop-up ad would go to the web page, the pop-up ad would be displayed, and they'd close it instantly. This wasn't an ad-blocker, it was them moving the mouse to the button and clicking on it. They were doing it unconsciously, and as such an automatic reaction that their brain wouldn't even register that it had popped up. AND THEY HAD GONE TO THE PAGE *LOOKING* FOR THE AD! He had to show them log files of their interaction with the page before they'd believe him.

[@Supercon57]

KZbin thinks ads don't effect retention?? My apartment is the hangout spot for a bunch of my friends, who will congregate in the living room and watch KZbin videos together The literal audible groan whenever an ad pops up is inescapable Most times if the meat of the video was already shown and an ad pops up they just back out of that video and go to something else

[@TheRogueWolf]

Linus's anecdote about not being able to see any content for all the ads on-screen exemplifies why so many people are using adblockers. The ad companies won't regulate themselves, and the government won't step in, so we're doing the regulation instead.

[@somebonehead]

Off-topic, but thank you for using the correct form of 's when referring to Linus in the posessive form.

[@Toxik_Tobi]

The part with "if you watch a video completely and then click on the next video from that creator and watch it completely, your feed will be full with videos from that creator" I wish! I do that all the time but still have to go on the creators channel to watch the next video because youtube shows me everything BUT videos from that channel whos video I just watched, liked and left a sub.

[@nattsurfaren]

10:17 About that. I often judge if the value of the video if is justified enough to stay through the ad and not close the video. Most times I close the video because I was just baited by the thumbnail or the title and it didn't deliver contentwise.

[@chubbysumo2230]

I wonder, the only reason that Google would do anything about the spam comments is because it's going to cost the money or a government threaten them with liability for allowing the scams to continue that they are aware of without doing anything. This comes down to money, and I would personally guarantee it, and I would also bet my savings account on it.

[@Stoned_Penguin]

The survery part will still show up, premium or not, but it's only on shorts from what i've seen.

[@KrolPawi]

I kinda understand Linus here. I also dont really notice ads. My mind is just not registering them except for a notable exceptions(the biggest one being 2hour ad of some hindu or other eastern religion Monk speaking about something) . I watched nearly an hour of that . It also works in case of ltt(or other youtube chanel sponsorships), where when i notice its an add my Finger automaticly moves video forward 30s.

[@max2themax]

There's also a Mr. Beast scam ad, that has been running for months and still no action from KZbin... I don't understand how hard it is to ban anyone from using big creator names in ads without human approval.

[@Smart-Towel-RG-400]

13:01 there isn't but there's very few ads on it and you just skip it by scrolling up like it's a video u don't want to watch

[@jacobharvey2946]

I’ve noticed some SPAM recently where a bot posts an off topic comment. Once it was religious and money related, another it simply referenced being poor and worried about retirement. Then a whole bunch of fake comments were added to the first with bots chiming in with “answers” and references to where someone could get help with the subject. Obviously a shady source is given. And of course they upvote it so it appears as the first comment.

[@MeepChangeling]

Linus, your monitized vs non-monotized experiment didn't work because we don't all just use AdBlock; we also use sponsor block. Which looks up a youtube video's URL in a database, checks for time codes related to the URL, and then automatically skips those chunks of the vid. I haven't seen any adverts at all on YT in, like... 4 years. It's great!

[@WillPlaysGames1993]

i have youtube premium and ublock origin so i dont have to deal with ads the survey thing shows up sometimes for me on the home page after i watch a video a few times

[@KibaSnowpaw]

i get my youtube prime for free and has for years thats why i dont have add. so i dont know how to add anyting to this i never think about it because i just dont have add and i dont pay for it.

[@Seorful]

Oh, is KZbin also getting rid of the spam before, during and after each video that can sometimes be skipped after 5 seconds and sometimes you have to watch the whole advertisement? And what is with the spam during most of your videos usually including the word "sponsor"?

[@Trillyana]

Yes watching ads at all is annoying, but the problem with online ads as opposed to TV ads are that the online ads have a much smaller pool of content. Yes, on TV sometimes you do get the same commercial twice in a row or something, but with ads on online videos you typically see the same few ads over and over and over. That makes it way more frustrating.

[@BenjaminOpenshaw]

As much as I want to ad block every video, I want to support the channels I'm subscribed to, and this is the only way I can currently do it. Therefore, I only use ad block when listening to music on KZbin, as I hate getting ads in the middle of my music or even between the different tracks.

[@BenjaminOpenshaw]

I always immediately skip ads though.

[@jamesmnguyen]

That's all you can do until you are financially stable enough to donate or subscribe (the paying kind)

[@thomasa5619]

@@BenjaminOpenshaw you have to watch ads for 30 seconds before skipping them, for it to count and pay the creator tho. I got a 50 minute ad the other day, I skipped at 49,29

[@BenjaminOpenshaw]

@@thomasa5619 I thought I remembered that it would just pay them less if you skipped the ad, not forfeit the payment, because you are still being forced to see part of the ad.

[@BenjaminOpenshaw]

I just looked it up and it looks like you have to watch past the 5 second mark for them to get payed, so for ads that would let you skip at the five second mark, I'll just watch a few seconds more of to ensure they get payed. I really hate seeing ads though so I won't watch anything greater than a few minutes, and that's only when the ad is actually entertaining.

[@oogrooq]

I very often leave at midroll ads.

[@danwat1234]

@Luke, Just use the adblock browser to watch KZbin on a device that you aren't logged into Premium with.

[@jari2018]

I had a old youutbe chanel before when someone stole or claimed my pic - and its impossible to get in touch with "youtube" about it - just corporate bs from a big company like google