Loading for PRS vs F-Class

[@sheldon_n]

Former PRS national champ has said in interviews that he doesn't do load development at all. He's shot the same Dasher load for 5 or 10 barrels.

[@richardwalker68]

Nice video. I've been shooting PRS for a little over a year and love it. Prior to that my shooting was rural pest control. I've always reloaded. I've never shot competition. I'm a mid-pack (at best) PRS competitor, but learning and improving. I look at the components and processes different shooters use and disregard much of it. I mostly shoot under 500m. Sorting bullets, using an auto trickler, etc isn't going to help if you forget to dial elevation, shoot the wrong target, shoot from the wrong position, or most of all don't have a stable position. Natural point of aim, a good trigger press and the PRS stage sequence are really important. I miss my share of shots, but rarely do I have a solid position and take a good shot and get a miss without knowing why. I'm shooting a 6.5CR, Hornady ELD-M 147gr, have been using mostly Hornady brass, but now have 400x Lapua SRP cases. Heaps less variation in case weight. I've had case weight spreads from 144gr to 156gr with Hornady (deprimed and trimmed). I haven't ever measured the volume, so I don't know if it's internal capacity, differences in the head and variations in the brass. I'm never going to bother to find out. I did sort them by weight and have them separated by 2gr spreads (146-147.9, 148-149.9, 150-151.9, 152-152.9, 153-154.9). Just a once off activity. Notice the 152-152.9, that's because there was twice as many in that weight. For powder, I'm using H4350 / AR2209 and using a Hornady Auto-charge Pro to dispense the loads. Probably accurate enough out to 500m. I've shot out to 1140m with the same loads and was on steel in 3 shots. I doubt I'll need to change too much in the near future. Other than more stable positions, smoother transitions between positions, using the most suitable equipment for the stage, better time management, staying calm, reading the wind, spotting hits and misses... learning from mistakes and improving the processes so I don't repeat them (too often). And having fun with other competitors! Thanks for all of your videos and for sharing your experience.

[@josephjulian2503]

In the mid-90’s in highpower just about everyone shot a .308. There was a formula for the load. Just about everyone shot that load. Because it worked for everyone. Beyond the mid-90’s everyone shooting service rifle switched to .223. The formula changed but most everyone shot the same bullet at the same velocity. A few different powders were used but it was basically very similar recipes, (formula), with the same or very similar result. Because it worked for everyone. I don’t shoot F-Class or PRS but it looks to me a formula is developing for both the games. 7MM ~180 bullet at a certain velocity, and a 6MM ~105 bullet at a certain velocity. Because it works.

[@jwschroeder804]

Always value your sessions. They are concise, pertinent and informative. I follow F-class videos to increase awareness and sharpen my reloading skills. Then I am guided back to “the reality” of my world when I study PRS techniques. What a journey. Thank you for contributing science and experience!

[@davecollins6113]

The positions you have to shoot from and a wind call will make more difference than a whole bunch of ammo prep procedures. You just need relatively consistent ammo, 1/2MOA is plenty adequate for PRS purposes.

[@richardt.4224]

Sorry this could be just taking up your time, as I am not a competitive shooter! I'm 70 years young and I moved from muzzle loading hunting 5 years ago to centrefire. I found factory ammo not that good, so started reloading. I run a 243 Win, with a 1in10 twist barrel (I wanted a1in8) and a 90grn bullet. At the moment I’m good to 400Yds and shot my first deer at 375Yd last week. I watch your video’s which have helped, but like you said! “Only check what you have to!” I check Ojive every 100 shots for throat burn and adjust if needed. I anneal cases every two shots. I neck size until I notice case problems in feeding, then full length size. I batch reload in 50’s and put the first three over my chronograph and adjust my ballistic app if needed. I don’t mix powder batches in the 50 I reload for consistency. I don’t mix/change case manufacturers, or primers and bullets. But I haven’t started measuring the bullets yet. Is there anything else I should be checking please? Thanx Richard T.

[@zinithmora67]

sounds like your doing lots of things right. i would recommend looking into type S dies and mandrel neck expanders.

[@richardt.4224]

@@zinithmora67 Not too sure what the "S Type dies" are! But the neck sizing die I use, I have changed the mandrel in it to increase the neck tention because the standard one makes the bullet is a little loose. Thank you for your input 🙂

[@winninginthewind]

IT looks to me like you have a good system already. I would run with that!

[@rangergreen3995]

Richard, don't try and fix something that isn't broke. You're good!

[@toddb930]

​@@richardt.4224 -- the 'S' type of neck, or full length, die uses bushings to set the outer diameter of the neck. In principal you don't need to run a mandrell inside the neck then.

[@1rtk2]

You are doing it right

[@41st_GRINCH]

Nailed it! .045" jump and be happy with modern bullets

[@allene.5306]

What are the acceptable ranges of seating pressure for you when shooting PRS and F-Class?

[@anthonysultana9399]

Keep up the great work

[@ericrumpel3105]

......sounds spot-on to me,.....but, do you clean primer pockets......lol

[@JohnThomas-vd8zg]

Time is the only commodity

[@arctic_xyz]

@winninginthewind I try to adjust my reloading for what I‘m gonna do . I only sort bullets by weight and sort out only ones with big tolerance, with Bergers rarely happens. One question about action , did you true up your Prs guns bolt ? Do you it’s necessary ? I wanna build a new PRS gun I’m thinking about a Borden Action mountaineer or super short six or an Lone Peak Fuzion any suggestions?

[@thegriff9425]

So where do you seat the bullet in relation to the lands. Yes I understand you are not testing seating depth, but what have you found as the acceptable depth. Would love an answer please.

[@danwallace8114]

I'm not an expert, but after about 20 years of reloading for long range shooting, I've found that 60 thou off the lands seems to be a sweet spot. But obviously, your gun will tell you what it likes

[@nicolatesla768]

Don't chase the Lands, chase the Node.

[@LabRatJason]

Do a lot of guys run A-Tips? If so, do you trust the factory profile, or should they also be pointed?

[@Jeff_C45]

Im only going to speak for PRS but I am firmly in the comp that more time shooting and less time loading results in better scores. I don’t even load develop anymore. I just get a round going to the speed I want, load it to mag length and I’m done. Every good barrel/load combo will shoot 1/2 minute or better doing just that. You don’t need anything more than half minute for PRS. Matches are won and loss on shooting position and wind calls. That’s where time should be spent. Guys have won PRS shooting factory ammo. The minutia is not required at all.

[@stephenkrampert3430]

How many thousands of neck grip do you use for F class versus PRS which would seem about the same as for hunting as you say slamming into a feed ramp ;lotta different opinions even from some manufactures of reloading tools.

[@whliving]

So, what did you find was proper neck tension for PRS?

[@jamescadaoas8023]

So what would you recommend as far as seating depth goes? .05 off the jam?

[@winninginthewind]

I don't measure from jam, just touch via the Wheeler method. I have had excellent results in the .020 to .035 area with Hybrids.

[@gusclapham]

Out of interest, what is your neck tension for you PRS loads?

[@kitwalker520]

Thx

[@JCJustice-kv2gy]

👍

[@redrock425]

Far more points are gained by practice than in the reloading room. Remember shooting is a practical sport not an academic endeavour 😉

[@roddecker1900]

Two ignorent no experience questions: load for prs on 550.accurate .oo3 drops .seats .oo3 or 4.competitive? ..clasdic wood stocked sport hunting rifle competitive?

[@winninginthewind]

The definition of competitive varies form person to person. I've been beaten by several shooters using factory ammo that has variations bigger than that. They are just better at the game than I am. On the other question, If it shoots good for you, it will work. I haven't yet defined ideal, so I can't tell you what you might be missing or not.

[@roddecker1900]

@@winninginthewind thanks a bunch. 😎 cool

[@eldeanogrande]

There's so many things that matter more than ammo and rifle in PRS. Positioning/stability, target acquisition, wind calls, optic choice all matter more imo.

[@randylong8156]

Do you use the same rifle and scope set up?

[@winninginthewind]

No, the two are distinctly different.