Local 4 News at 4 -- Dec. 2, 2021

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[@angieg2561]

There is no de-escalation “discussion” in my region regarding school shooting threats.We had a kid in a town 30 miles from here make a comment about shooting up his school. Kid was hauled into the regional Juvenile Detention within hours. No committee meeting. Same day service.

[@judybrown1810]

What did you by same day service? Thank you..

[@dusseau13]

I had a kid (19) who was disrupting class and saying how eventually he would kill someone and go to big boy jail like his dad. I threw him out of class and an administrator brought him back. He went on to kill an old lady and is in prison. Take your soft talk and stick it. I retired.

[@kyleegarcia5569]

💯 I agree.

[@dovobis]

@WIlliam Dusseau bring him into your home. Be the father he never had.

[@glennwatson3313]

@@dovobis That's stupid advice.

[@Jamcrackerr]

@@dovobis Geez Bry, that couldn't happen until the murder3r gets outta prison, if ever. And by then, the murderer will surely be allll growed up and already taught plenty by his prison "daddy", er, life partner, husband or whatever the woke term will be by then. *stfu*

[@dovobis]

@@Jamcrackerr lol you are a big dummy

[@poohvie2513]

It's weird that ALL the students said the same thing..they knew he was going to do it yet this guy said it wasn't true or related. Why was he in the principal office BEFORE, if he wasn't a threat. I'm just asking. It doesn't make sense.

[@glowingru]

My take on this is if a child threatens a school they need to be placed on independent home school study period.

[@InteriorDesignStudent]

Anyone who thinks it cannot happen in their town is part of the problem.

[@rustyfolts3298]

Cannot happen in my town, we have gun free school zone.

[@dovobis]

Well I don't live in town so .....

[@InteriorDesignStudent]

@@dovobis township, village, hamlet, burg, hood, district, tent city...

[@749260]

Yes thank you for addressing these fear mongers… I want my family member to go to high school, but now because of these threats, she is so scared of something happening. Thank you for taking these threats seriously and addressing that they will all be investigated. I can’t imagine how much man power and resources are going towards this when it could be going towards something more uplifting. God bless us all…

[@judybrown1810]

God bless you and everyone.

[@divinetiming8422]

The parents now split on their son that cried out for help, literally writing "HELP ME" They "USED" their son, "TAUGHT" their son how to use a semi automatic weapon as a minor, that they "the adult PARENTS BOUGHT HIM", then told him "DON'T DO IT" and "SHOULDN'T GET CAUGHT", now split, while their minor boy faces adult prison and as of now are fugitives, speaks volumes! What lead up to this in THAT HOME with that Mother and Father in charge of and responsible for their child, prior to this heinous act? The boy was in dire need of mental illness help WAY before this day happened. Sounds like the Mother set her son up to fail, by corrupting him mentally. Children are a product of their environment and the parents/adults raising them. Who knows what these parents were doing or teaching, even pushing their son up to this, in order to carry out this tragedy. Them running, now being fugitives, tells a lot!

[@LalithoTheRedBorderCollie]

His mother is toxic

[@athenoullathodure1355]

Set him up in hope that they could be free of him and to carry out acts of terror that they themselves relish in

[@Skystone123]

A field trip through a prison facility showing live processing of very dangerous people, from sentencing, to their cells, yards with open toilets and predators drooling for new meat ought to enlighten our youth.

[@daerdfotuoerew4394]

Not sure how this addresses suicidal shooters

[@judybrown1810]

They use to take the troubled kids to prison for one day... Orange new clothes

[@karendargo4631]

That weren't suspending him. They told parents to get kid in counseling within 48 hours

[@onespeedlite]

It's not complicated. You go to school to learn. If you don't want to learn, we'll work with you and get you the help you need. However, if you are so disruptive that other students can't learn, then you are gone. You've lost your opportunity. You don't have the right to take away other people's rights. Your parents can homeschool you until you're ready to come back with a different mindset.

[@knightofkorbin888]

Question. What are you specifically referring to by "get you the help you need?" Personally I think most kids need legitimate mentors. Teachers cannot really fill that role due to the amount of kids under their leadership. I'm afraid you mean "punishment and oppression until there is compliance and submission."

[@InteriorDesignStudent]

That's not a good idea either. You're forcing parents to stop working, which places a financial strain on the entire family. Plus you're requiring unqualified people to educate a troubled student. A lot of us do not have the training to teach our special needs kids.

[@glennwatson3313]

I wish that was the way things were.

[@phoenixfire2286]

@@knightofkorbin888 I think what he meant by "get the help you need" is therapy.

[@chriswhite9363]

I like him & he is a good speaker 👍

[@FinsMom]

Schools should not be blamed for students who are troubled. Schools are not a babysitting service. Parents have to be held accountable. Schools provide education. They are not a substitute for parenting. It all begins at home . If you can't control your own children , what makes you think a public school can?

[@haleybaby2893]

Well said

[@dimplesanz3189]

While a kid is under your supervision it is your responsibility to check everything about the student for your own safety

[@darkhorse7460]

Very challenging week for Oakland county.

[@LynnCooks]

This kid didn't get this way over night. What MADE him like this? Was he bullied? Abused? Friendless? WHY? And did his parents not know he was troubled? How can they not...he's 15. Did they not check his social media? I have two teens with phones & I have Spyware on their devices...I can see every keystroke, every account, every word said. I just don't understand how parents could be so oblivious to allow their child to get to this point to where they are even capable of mass murder!?!?

[@Batz408]

Your exactly right. I check my son phone every weekend when i pick him up from his mom. Also the phone is under my name n the bill.

[@Cindychartier]

It's possible his parents taught hate. We'll see.

[@fentonb9520]

Another one of the failed policies of the Obama Administration was the Collaborative Agreement on School Discipline, that was quickly suppressed by the media after Parkland school shooting in Florida. another thing quickly buried was the fact that 99% of school shootings are results of mental health professionals prescribing psychotropic drugs to children with behavioral issues, that have side effects ranging from headaches, suicide and homicidal thoughts but because of the kickbacks given to doctors from pharmaceutical companies and advertising dollars received from the media along with political contributions from Big Pharma mental health professionals are protected and never have to answer for their decisions and they will quickly point the finger towards the NRA

[@haleybaby2893]

......but kids on Meds should not have ANY ACCESSS TO GUNS

[@LalithoTheRedBorderCollie]

My district has zero tolerance to any kind of threat, we just expell them to avoid this mess. The cops don't play around.

[@WingedHassar]

I was a bully in middle school, I delt with some amazing teachers and became a bully of bullies. Thank God for people like Jordan Peterson.

[@sudsart134]

So what you mean is you work for cnn and the left ?

[@taylorbug9]

He wasn't bullied

[@InteriorDesignStudent]

I think the sheriff posted in the school should be present for all disciplinary meetings with students or parents.

[@alexanderlapp5048]

I disagree. If a student is tardy for a class and gets a detention, why would the police be involved? There are lots of small problems that can be handled by a principal.

[@InteriorDesignStudent]

@@alexanderlapp5048 A detention does not lead to a disciplinary meeting with parents.

[@cynthiajones4332]

You've got to hear this. "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved." Acts4:12 Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved. Love Y'all

[@judybrown1810]

Amen

[@ArtWorkOfDR]

In my personal opinion and experience school systems around us in Michigan aren't doing enough to keep our kids safe nor is the community even though we are told to teach our children to watch out for each, stand up to bullies, reach out to teachers, see something say something, those things don't actually work unless u actually do something to provide those students help and support, it's been almost two months since my 11, & 15 yrs were at a local Wendy's after a half day at their schools when a group of other highschoolers about 6-7 of them started harassing my 11yr old throw stuff they found on the floor at his head than calling him names so his 15 yr sibling stood up and told the kids to leave him alone that it's not kol, which the group didn't like so they got up in their face which lead my child to tell them they were too close and they tried to push them away not feeling safe my kids than tried to do the right thing and leave the situation and call me to come get them I wasn't able to get to my phone fast enough by the time they were able to try again the group had surrounded them and were threatening them by the end of it I had an 11yr on the spectrum now with a black eye and a 15 yr having a massive panic attack and the other kids were gone by the time I arrived, I contacted the school and the police, had to take my kids back to the Wendy's in order to talk to the cops, we have been working with the school and the police and nothing absolutely nothing has come from it both my teens now have PTSD and anxiety just going to learn everyday, schools need to focus on making sure kids feel safe to learn not worry about the bad kids acting out still having the same opportunity to learn in the building they can learn outside the building or be transferred to a different school maybe that would teach them that their behavior isn't welcome or tolerated because until they finally learned that lesson there's no way they're going to stop doing what they're doing to other children they don't care what they're doing and that's the shame they just continue what they're doing once you suspending them for a day or two they come right back they do exactly what they've been doing they haven't learned anything because they have to go home for a few days and relax and play video games or whatever else they're doing these kids are back in the building making fun of other kids picking on other kids giving people dirty looks in the back of classroom and no one cares so after all the things that happened in other schools then they wanted to reach out and say we care about your students we Care well if you cared you would do something before these events happen this is my personal opinion after dealing with these kind of experiences myself not up for debate don't care about your opinion about it it's the truth and I'm allowed to speak by truth

[@eightlights4939]

Nice novel there nancy

[@ArtWorkOfDR]

@@TheBearGrappler Why even comment just leave people alone I am not writing a professional paper or anything like that so my use of periods doesn't matter right now grow up

[@ArtWorkOfDR]

@@TheBearGrappler I am sorry if my use of punctuation isn't up to your standards. I tend to trail on when writing in an emotional state. I do however know the proper usage of them and do so often use them how they are intended. But this is KZbin not a classroom, I do not need rude comments making fun of how I wrote my comment. This isn't the platform for that and if what others write brothers you or others than maybe don't read it.

[@InteriorDesignStudent]

How is it the school's fault that something happened at a Wendy's?

[@haleybaby2893]

So sorry that happened to your Sons❣

[@verneshaxquisite8638]

That’s the same problem we are having out here at the schools in Victorville they notify us later after everything is happened but here it is warning it’s going on and they never ever say anything about it ahead of time

[@clarissegomez9275]

Thanks a lot now other kids are paying the price. My nieces who are only in elementary don't have school tomorrow 🙄

[@dovobis]

Cool. Take them shopping. Take them go carting. Takethem to a public park for the day.

[@clarissegomez9275]

@@dovobis lol thanks for the wonderful ideas 👍😆

[@glowingru]

Police always say, “If you see or hear something report it.” 4 years ago a kid threatened to shoot kids at my son’s school. I reported it. They went to his house and relayed to me that the kid was only kidding and nothing was done. No real action. I may have saved the kids at that school, but what bothers me is they did nothing and pursued nothing. What bothers me is the kid was a cop’s son. What if the kid did go and shoot up the school because they did nothing? The cops need to take action regardless of joke or not and parents need to take action and talk to their children so they can feel ok to report what they hear at school or see on social media.

[@monie2514]

Interesting the beloved Oakland county gets a chance to make the children feel safe and bring medical detectors to all of these schools to prevent such tragedies 👎🏼📺🤦🏻‍♀️🧑🏼‍🎄❄️🎅🏼🎊

[@MisticStyles]

What exactly is a "medical detector"?

[@mac4873]

Why these kids on social media didn’t speak up sooner. Makes no sense

[@taylorbug9]

They did. Oxford has a history of neglecting common knowledge and then that neglect causing the death of students. My sophomore year of high school three girls died in a car crash due to poor road conditions in the winter. They had been making kids go to school all week and s***** conditions in a county with very many dirt roads. Also many people come from Pontiac to go to Oxford schools. That's where the three girls were coming from one of them was pregnant. The mother of the pregnant girl was the one driving she survived and for the rest of her life she has to live with accidentally having killed her daughter, her unborn grandchild, and her neighbors two children. All because Oxford thought one day of learning was more important than kid's live's

[@hankviena]

Added scope of occupational hazardand legally ability, school shootings, God bless those who stand up to do the right thing, Thank You.

[@blackamore1826]

Can you people mess around too much with these children a deer head whoever would do that will be going to jail you play with the children too much trying to compromise take a serious serious

[@InteriorDesignStudent]

Not sure what you think happened there. The student was suspended and police are involved.

[@wandatucker3509]

PARENTS SHOULD be alerted at the first signs of a problem with a student.....not days or weeks later...

[@dannypalmer7701]

Try?

[@natbfunky]

This will happen again it always does the parents who love guns literally taught there kids the same ( shoot and killed ) it's there way of life and no one can stop them ( These days the color of your skin doesn't matter ) - Blame the Parents

[@jonathanmurray1863]

Gas here in NC 350 a gallina and a bl0w bu ibs only thir[y

[@dwindlefoddl7225]

Lmao..yes...keep ignoring problems with children..use the LADDER to teach them

[@dovobis]

I was raised on MTV. I'm not bragging. Kids around me with solid families not doing drugs and actually helping their kids get ready to be self reliant was something I didn't have. Lots have it worse, but it still sucks.

[@puppylove2493]

charge all the creeps calling in threats with terrorism, and convict them

[@brendaniebel1355]

Where's our fourth stimulus check we were promised???????????

[@athenoullathodure1355]

I think these lessons need continues updates. Because this school clearly forgot..what possibilities these actions could lead to the dear head ex: that are not related but should have been a warning and a reminder of the possibilities that this could lead to to me I see them as warning signs may not have had anything to do with the shooting but should have kept the school on high alert taking no chances with unruly pupils and incompliant parent

[@verneshaxquisite8638]

But it continues to happen

[@dannypalmer7701]

Teach them about laws and punishments!?!

[@mikeg3574]

No speaking to bullying!! They just proved the problem!! It should be a non negotiation with any type! When will these people learn? Oh ya we just blame guns!

[@LevitatorMusic]

your music bed is too loud

[@dannypalmer7701]

Learning but not about whats against the law?

[@Irony84]

Make social media treat a Federal crime.

[@marvallestrong7440]

Where's sleep behind the wheel and when we wake up it's always too late the damage is done. We need more quicker response towards these miners we play games with lives and what discrimination when we allow certain individuals to slip through the cracks

[@MisticStyles]

"more quicker" 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@type4revolutionstudio]

More blue state garbage that could have been prevented. School needs to be held accountable also.....

[@taylorbug9]

Most people in the area are conservative. And the parents of the shooter are heavy trump supporters.

[@haleybaby2893]

....and what about the father who purchased the Murder weapon

[@type4revolutionstudio]

@@haleybaby2893 Negligent homicide. How did he not know his son was mental health catastrophe.... All goes back to parenting failure. School held accountable for not expelling him for his disciplinary issues....Secure and safe guard your weapons of any kind from children period. History dictates this from all the other previous shootings involving kids. Background checks, guns safety and marksmanship course for everyone US wide. Background checks should include family members living in the home where the guns reside..It's a privilege to own a gun in the good ole USA esp if your a Trump supporter gun accountability is key to keep the left at Bay. Be a responsible gun owner if your kids or thieves can pick up your guns out of your homes or vehicles you leave yourself open for failure.

[@daleschroeder5582]

crumbley crumbled snapperhead

[@24-Card]

You already failed, you own this! 4 Dead in Michigan... “funny” how history repeats. You already failed, you own this!

[@angel01397]

So depressing that those 4 people died. they did not deserve to die at all and i cant imagine having to hear that your child died by some 15 year old imbecile. The person who murdered the 4 angels and 7 injuryed deserves life in prison without parole. they were innocent people. Joke or not joke he deserves the consequences and he could of have a second thought or seek help before taking the lives of the people who died. just one person's life is too much loss to take away. So sad💔

[@r.c.rosario8435]

@6:35 "we'll learn lessons from this," ...no, you won't--law enforcement is intrinsically opposed to learning. institutionally, claiming ignorance secures the unbound freedom of police (and, really, all public servants), to act with impunity. in fact, the more aggregious or complex the act, the less they are held accountable, due to the assumption of ignorance of the criminal nature of their action, based on lack of notice. This translates to an inverse relationship such that greater ignorance is rewarded with reductions (immunity) of accountability. bestowed upon police by judicial ruling aka Qualified Immunity, this phenomenon is institutional because QI creates a separate class, police, who are protected/shielded from liability and prosecution for any criminal acts, as long as police can be equated to ignorant by the absence of well established, even precedential, caselaw at the circuit level applicable to the jurisdiction of their employment.

[@dianawolf894]

Threat fear

[@verneshaxquisite8638]

He had got all the way to where he needed his parents to come he should have been suspended

[@dangermauz754]

Seems like virtual classes is a great idea.

[@msxmurda2385]

You have to watch out for joggers and Republicans. They are both threats to the public.

[@paranoidhumanoid]

Y'all need to get into cultural exchange programs with German 🇩🇪 and Japanese 🇯🇵 students and learn the value of self-discipline, curiosity, and obligation. There's no sense of honor in this country by anyone at any level.

[@TS-wq6qb]

🤣😂🤣 use up those resources, just like you make the citizens when you violate their rights.

[@cobi1564]

Not cool

[@TS-wq6qb]

@@cobi1564 YEAH I know right, that police pretend to look out for our welfare until you don't toe the line, then conspire with their buddies and the prosecutors to incarcerate you. Not to mention they lobby with their fraternal orders to strip rights from Americans while creating laws that give them immunity.

[@torontocitizen6802]

USA!! You need more guns!!

[@alexanderlapp5048]

If there is a fatal accident on a highway are you going to ridicule us for having cars?

[@torontocitizen6802]

@@alexanderlapp5048 That’s a bad analogy. I mock the USA because it has accepted the hunting of humans as a normal part of its society. I think that is evil and worthy of scorn.

[@alexanderlapp5048]

@@torontocitizen6802, Hunting humans is not a normal part of society. Crimes happen. They are not accepted as normal.

[@torontocitizen6802]

@@alexanderlapp5048 After the Sandy Hook massacre where a man went hunting human children, absolutely nothing was done to prevent the next hunting trip. Hunting trips will continue to happen because your society has decided to do nothing to prevent them!! You accept hunting of humans as a normal part of your society. If it wasn’t acceptable then you would do something to prevent them.

[@alexanderlapp5048]

@@torontocitizen6802, Can you prevent anything bad from happening? I mean absolutely prevent? There are lots of ways to make it more difficult, but to actually prevent a determined person from doing anything is almost impossible. This happened once in the 180 years Michigan had become a state. You talk as if we issue hunting licenses for children. We have had more deaths from people crossing over from our northern border than we have from school shootings.