SEC, Big 10 Are Eliminating Expansion Big 12 via Recruiting: Texas, Florida Shunning Conference

The recruiting disparity between the SEC/Big Ten and the Big 12 is a significant factor that impacts the competitive landscape of college football. This disparity stems from various factors, including geographic advantages, financial resources, historical prestige, and media exposure, all of which contribute to the SEC and Big Ten's dominance in attracting top-tier talent.
Geographic Advantages
The SEC and Big Ten benefit from being located in regions that are hotbeds for high school football talent. The SEC, in particular, is situated in the Southeastern United States, a region renowned for producing elite football recruits. States like Texas, Florida, and Georgia consistently churn out top prospects, and the proximity of SEC schools to these talent-rich areas gives them a significant edge in recruiting. Similarly, the Big Ten, with its strong presence in the Midwest and expanding footprint into the East Coast, taps into fertile recruiting grounds in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. In contrast, the Big 12, while also benefiting from Texas, lacks the same breadth of access to diverse and densely populated recruiting territories.
Financial Resources
Financial disparities play a crucial role in recruiting. SEC and Big Ten programs often have larger athletic budgets compared to Big 12 schools, allowing them to invest more in facilities, coaching staff, and recruiting efforts. This financial muscle translates into state-of-the-art training facilities, expansive support staffs, and the ability to offer recruits top-notch resources and development opportunities. The allure of superior facilities and comprehensive support systems can heavily influence a recruit’s decision, putting the Big 12 at a disadvantage.
Media Exposure
Media exposure is another critical factor. The SEC and Big Ten benefit from lucrative television contracts and widespread media coverage, ensuring that their games are broadcast to large national audiences. This extensive exposure not only enhances the visibility of their programs but also provides recruits with the opportunity to showcase their talents on a big stage. The Big 12, despite having strong media partnerships, does not match the same level of national coverage and primetime slots, impacting its attractiveness to recruits seeking maximum visibility.
Conclusion
In summary, the recruiting disparity between the SEC/Big Ten and the Big 12 is driven by geographic advantages, financial resources, historical prestige, and media exposure. These factors collectively create a challenging environment for the Big 12 in attracting top-tier talent, ultimately influencing the competitive balance within college football. To bridge this gap, Big 12 programs need to invest in facilities, expand their recruiting reach, and leverage their unique strengths to attract and retain elite recruits.
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[@krishoward7285]

WVU Hall of Fame coach Don Nehlen famously once said “I was flying over WV and was amazed by the beauty of the mountains and the trees. Then a flew over Ohio and saw nothing but housetops. It doesn’t take a smart man to know: where there’s housetops, there’s kids. Where there’s trees, there’s birds!” WVU is the winningest program to never win a championship. We may never win a national championship, but we will continue to do what it takes to win.

[@kmcc01]

Condolences to all West Virginia fans in the loss of Mr. Clutch. One of the greatest ever.

[@fwilliamcony28]

@@kmcc01 From tiny Cabin Creek, WV to Morgantown at WVU to the NBA with the LA Lakers and beyond, what a career! Jerry West's legacy as the logo of the NBA is well-deserved. He once commented that one of his greatest disappointments was not winning the NCAAB Championship in the late 1950's when the Mountaineers lost by one point to the Cal Bears.

[@Chris-jv3xp]

The transfer portal and NIL helps the schools in the Big 12 and ACC the most. With every 5 star going to Bama and Georgia and some not starting, they transfer and go where they can start.

[@PBXcasper1990]

Exactly. There are only so many top teams in the SEC and big10. There are only so many positions on those teams. If you cannot make those teams is he saying they would rather go play for a Vanderbilt, Rutgers, northwestern Illinois….rather than a competitive big 12 team? Plus those bigger teams will take transfers that are grown men that have a couple years of experience in other programs over a freshman who might not ever make it. On top of that you have the chance of another transfer or 4/5 star replacing you the next season if you cannot make the team. Yes Georgia, Alabama, OSU, Michigan, UT, OU…..are going to get the 5 stars every year but as others have said there are 3 and lower end 4 stars who can play in the big 12 and go on to the NFL. I think the next round of teams that leave the acc of the big 12 can capture a few of the better programs it helps the conference get better tv deals in large markets like a Virginia, Pittsburgh, Louisville, North Carolina…. Also you need to realize with USC,UCLA, OU, UT heading to the SEC and big 10 the teams from last year have a better chance of finishing with 4-5 losses instead of 2 diminishing their chances of making the playoffs.

[@onlinepole]

⁠@@PBXcasper1990SEC is going to add 2 programs from the ACC. Big 10 will add at least FSU , Clemson & either NC, Miami or GT. Big 10 will have 22 programs & SEC 20. That’s a huge membership. Those 42 also include nearly all of the top 30 programs in football 🏈 attendance except ND, BYU, IAST & WVA

[@onlinepole]

They’ll go to another SEC or B10 program first

[@cacogenicist]

But the SEC and B1G will also steal the BIG-12's diamonds in the rough, frequently: _oh, that 3-star kid turned out to be a hell of a QB, thanks for developing him for us._ ~ BIG and SEC

[@donstreit9468]

This guy's willingness to discount any other conference's ability to compete is telling. He has a bias that leaves him incapable of looking at college football objectively. Drake, this is not the kind of guest that helps you keep the position you are in. He wants you to go away, along with the waste of time conference you represent.

[@K-StateScottFL]

Well said and so true.

[@timlamb1156]

He’s right, there are no elite teams, no blue bloods, no compelling matchups.

[@warhog3862]

Do you realize how much money that $22,000,000 a year is? With Title IX and lawsuits bound to just continue onward in our left wing political climate. This man just gave you a big dose of reality. Didn't you hear him mention a possible tough road ahead for Mississippi State. Mississippi State gets a full share of SEC payout to work with. Soon to be at least twice what any Big 12 schools get in money. You will not get the recruits. Thin skinned Big 12 fans are a very touchy bunch.

[@donstreit9468]

@@timlamb1156 Look at Ohio State's schedule and tell me how many compelling games they have outside of Oregon and Michigan. I think you'll find a similar number of 'compelling' games for Georgia. There are seven teams in the Big12 that have a legit shot at winning the title this season. Just because you think ONLY 'blue bloods' play compelling games, doesn't mean those games aren't compelling, unless you are working with a different definition of 'compelling'. I remember Kansas State, Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor beating 'blue bloods' Texas, Texas A&M, and Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Michigan. Were they uncompelling games because the supposed 'blue bloods' lost? If you and Drake's guest in this video are only look at football through a 'blue blood' lens, you are only looking at a handful of teams, at the most, 7 or 8. A little too narrow of a view, I think.

[@donstreit9468]

@@timlamb1156 And the SEC and BIG10 are full of compelling games? Please. Ohio State plays Oregon and Michigan this coming season. The rest are yawners. And blue bloods? I can remember Kansas State, Kansas, Okie State, Iowa State, TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech all beating blue blood Texas, OU, Nebraska, Michigan, Tennessee. Seven teams in the Big12 have a legit shot at winning the conference, and there are no compelling games? You aren't watching the Big12 then.

[@AncientWisdomUnveiledCDW]

Alot of 4 and 5 star players are busts from what I've seen WVU doing just fine in recruiting their class looking good

[@K-StateScottFL]

K-State has done pretty good over the last 25 years. Our average recruit is 2.5 stars.

[@AncientWisdomUnveiledCDW]

@@K-StateScottFL yes they have I agree done a nice job

[@joeverschoor9234]

My daily update from the least informed, laziest “journalist” covering the Big 12. Happy Wednesday from an ISU alum

[@SvdSinner]

Are you saying that even a cursory checking of facts would let Drake know that Iowa State is not going the poor house if $22M/year is needed for athletes? And that is ridiculous that he keeps saying so?

[@joeverschoor9234]

@@SvdSinner Yes, just to scratch the surface on his analysis, or lack thereof.

[@SvdSinner]

@@joeverschoor9234 Iowa State is incomprehensible to those people who think the secret to winning is to recruit from the portal and treat players like commodities.

[@aBrewster29]

That opening line about recruits not talking about the Big 12, not a very coherent way to measure the talent gap.

[@basementhorrorsreview]

Have you ever thought about actually talking about Big 12 teams and the upcoming season instead of all this gloom and doom bullshit that you make up and spend time on? Seems like you’re obsessed with other conferences instead of making content about the actual conference you cover.

[@kennethmayner]

Facts.

[@chrisjarrell9167]

WVU has one of the best training and recovery facilities in the nation

[@DavidKreitzer-ng2fe]

Fortunately coaching matters in college football. Just look at Texas A&M. B12 will need to find the diamonds in the rough and go to war.

[@K-StateScottFL]

Your guest acted like there are unlimited scholarships. SEC gets all the 4-5 star guys already. How do they get more? 😂

[@JJ-yx6jy]

That guest spittin facts.

[@moffprof02]

Proven that a high 4 star goes to SEC and they get their ranking bumped up to a 5. A low 4 star goes to ACC or Big 12 and they get their ranking knocked down to a 3 star.

[@dfausti66]

Congress is still and option in order to bring the SEC and Big 10 into some humble pie. I am actually proud to say that I have not watched a single SEC or Big 10 game in over a decade.

[@shevellelewis4510]

😂😂😂

[@joe_zeay]

@10:20 its better for kids to learn about money and finances early as possible. Let them have their money and learn about the real world. After all, that's what college is supposed to be all about

[@deathsythe07]

Whole heartedly disagree with everything he said. The whole star rating is outdated. Look at the players who've made it to the next level like Mahomes, Brady, kelce, take your pick that are considered the best ever to play the position, but in college were 2 or 3 star recruits and considered irrelevant. Maybe I'm wrong but look over the last 2 decades on who the busts have been compared the stars and then look at the 1-5 stars ratings.

[@cacogenicist]

Oregon grabbed 22 four-star kids in the class of 24. Not even talking a Georgia or Ohio State. ... who in the BIG-12 will end up with even 12 four-star kids for '25?

[@kimcoulter806]

Drake I like your show but this episode was disappointing for a number of reasons. After going to the 247 Sports Team Recruiting Rankings there are 2 B12 teams inside the Top 20 (Tech & TCU) with a variety of additional teams in the Top 30. But stats hilarious is the fat guys supposition that all SEC teams are all dominating recruiting and that’s factually and blatantly untrue. Don’t take my word for it… go look for yourself. You’ll find a number of SEC schools not even in the Top 40. Start with Arkansas btw at #50! I’m being respectful as opposed to saying what I think should really be said about your guest. Let’s move on to the next episode and delete this one.

[@trfisher51]

Actually there are 3, TCU is 15, ASU is 17, and Tech is 21 right now. TCU will be adding 3 more this week and could be in the top 10.

[@kimcoulter806]

@@trfisher51 Tech is #20 on 247Sports as if this morning. But you’re right I forgot about ASU. But their ranking is arguably skewed because of their number of commits not the individual player ratings. BTW: while I’m a Red Raider I put 2 sons thru ASU. WreckEm and Fear the Fork

[@jansonroberts2616]

LOL, every SEC school finished within the top 40 last year. Today’s ranking doesn’t mean squat. It’s freakin June. The final ranking is the only real ranking and that’ll come in February for the 2025 recruiting classes. That being said, the “guru” on this video was pretty sorry.

[@kimcoulter806]

@@jansonroberts2616 only 8 inside the Top 20

[@jansonroberts2616]

@@kimcoulter806 So more than half the teams in the SEC as usual. Thanks. Compared to 2 in the Big12, 3 in the ACC, 4 in the B1G ten and 2 in the PAC, Both Texas and OU will be in the SEC come July and they’ll bring their highly ranked recruiting with them when they come. I do agree the guest “guru” is an imbecile but let’s keep it real on SEC’s recruiting.

[@collinkelly2420]

This guy is only focused on the money, which is a massive part of the game, but it never tells the whole story. There are plenty of people, even kids, who don't prioritize the money as much to help schools with smaller budgets with their recruiting. Rankings are also imperfect, and there are too many talented high school athletes to only go to the P2.

[@kentfultz4842]

I love how the Big 12 is done but the ACC has a chance without Fls State, Clemson, etc. Yeah, the bias certainly shows.

[@timbruchmiller1042]

Brian Smith is such a narrow thinker; Texas is not considered ‘deep south’ and the state of Texas has a lot of great recruits!!

[@DWayne-ne5yh]

Good thing Texas Tech will be the new flagship team in the big 12. 3 bowl wins in a row, 3 top 25 recruiting classes in a row.

[@trfisher51]

Yeah, they will be right behind TCU and UCF.

[@mikerollins8034]

This guy is depressing.

[@mikerollins8034]

I have never heard of Brian Smith. This is a Big XII podcast why have this guy even

[@josephwestfall6844]

😂

[@trfisher51]

@@mikerollins8034 part of what he said is correct. The elite or very few elite recruits are going to the B12. But if you think about they only go to 10 or so teams. The rest of everyone else is about the same and the top end of the B12 out recruits 80% of them TCU has the 14th class right now which is better than most B10 and SEC schools. Regardless, teams win with less and the star ranking system is flawed. Tons of 3 stars turn into 5 star talents

[@michaelcsonka2675]

Drake you don't have a very good understanding of WVU. First look at the map. WVU is closer to PA, OH and MD the majority of WV. Also due to the high cost of NJ colleges there's a huge percentage of NJ students and a very large NJ alumni base. There's a big alumni base in DC as well. Because of it's lower traditional tuition WVU is really a regional school particularly for PA and NJ then a WV centered school. Recruiting wise the rich Western PA grounds start 10 miles from campus. Pitts relative weakness helps here. WVU isn't stealing 5 stars from Ohio and Penn State but Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers that's different. If your the 4 or three star who will be playing behind a 5 star at Penn State WVU is a strong contender. Also there's a strong traditional pipeline to FL with the same logic. Obviously finding the undervalued players is key but outside of the blue bloods that how it always has been. WVU gets you on the field and develops you. WVu has done surprisingly well with NIL. Remember no pros in WV to throw money at. For WVU the portal is a real double edged sword. Those diamonds you polish can leave after you've invested in them. By the same token players aren't the only ones who aren't patient. Georgia can plug in star ready players from the portal instead of risking developing a kid. For a kid that's not a slam dunk it can be go to WVU develope then finish at Ohio State or go to Ohio State get replaced by a portal guy then finish at WVU. I think Brown in particular does a good job of selling what's he's got, a different atmosphere, a place to grow in a more "family" setting. Some kids want that so you sell what you got.

[@DavidKreitzer-ng2fe]

8 of the top 15 players selected in this years NFL draft are new B1G players. It just means more now. 😊

[@timothyblack3322]

There was an article about NIL entering High School’s in Florida??

[@thomasweatherford5125]

So what this guy is saying is a higher rated player would rather play for Vanderbilt or Rutgers than one of the top B12 schools? There are only so many positions and these high rated players want to play - not sit around for 1-2 years and wait behind player(s). Play day 1 in the B12 or wait 2 seasons before I get to play for one of these big schools. Silly notion.

[@TheLAGopher]

The higher rated players want exposure. Better to start for a second or third tier B1G or SEC school where you will play against the biggest brands and get the most media exposure,or play for a top B12 school in conference games with no national appeal.

[@thomasweatherford5125]

@@TheLAGopher - do what you suggest and risk a better player coming in and playing in front of you.

[@donstreit9468]

And you will see the SEC and the Big10 start poaching former 3 star guys from Big12 schools.

[@kmcc01]

Yes they will play for Vanderbilt, if they pay more.

[@justins1378]

Expansion and thinking out of the box makes sense. The Big 10 and SEC will always out recruit, and Texas and Oklahoma were about the only 2 with stars. The thing is, in the new system, there's no reason the Big 12 can't get a lot of 3 stars and pick off kids who are missed and go to smaller schools first. Sure, more money makes sense but the NFL per capita is pointless. The Big 12 just needs to think out of the box

[@kopp0e541]

*raid ACC Pitt/ Louisville/ Va Tech/ NC State (& see if UConn/ SDST/ Wazzu/ Or State add any $)…

[@stevenhill5829]

weird, I'm seeing 4 stars committing to Big Xii teams as we speak. Only 11 positions on each side of the ball. Lot's of bench space in both SEC and BIG for those 4 stars to sit and watch the better 4 and 5 stars play while they sit on the bench OR they can transfer, which many will do. NFL takes players from many other schools besides SEC and BIG. But you can't get there if you sit on the bench.

[@TheYates27]

I’m rolling my eyes so hard as a WVU fan. Our rankings are so low because no one goes there physically to check our kids out except us. What you guys say is hard is easy for us. So effin tired of the disrespect. Y’all MF’ers have forgotten who we are. 😤 😤 😤 I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS SEASON

[@shevellelewis4510]

😂😂😂

[@jacobandrew579]

WVU owns Western PA and MD and competes for NJ, OH, and VA, with regard to recruiting.

[@fwilliamcony28]

I would agree that WVU does very well in Greene, Fayette and most of Washington counties in PA for athletes and FANS. WVU competes well for the best athletes in the WPIAL against Pitt, Penn State, Notre Dame and tOSU. In addition to NJ, OH, MD and VA, don't forget the recruiting success in Delaware and the Greater D.C. area. Bottom Line: WVU has a strong presence in the region well-beyond its borders and its 55 counties.

[@dariusrucker7854]

Yeah the big 12 is doomed in recruiting........ I can't square that as I sit here being a Texas Tech fan, a school in which the past 10 years we have not recruited at a top 50 level, but now in the new era of the Big 12 we're suddenly in the top 25. Not sure this guy has done his homework.

[@StormyCyclone]

Don't understand why you are always throwing ISU under the bus, it's getting old.

[@SvdSinner]

Because he fundamentally doesn't understand Iowa State or Matt Campbell. Kids can't turn down big $$$$? Rocco Becht did, and so did several others. Players go to and stay at Iowa State for reasons incomprehensible to Drake.

[@kmcc01]

Because he has been smitten by that BYU Blue. The Lord is on their side and they can do no wrong.

[@fwilliamcony28]

@@SvdSinner I have seen rankings that list Ames, IA as the #1 Small College Town in America. BTW Morgantown was listed #10 among small college towns also.

[@ryanduffy3343]

Texas Tech is out recruiting all but 4-5 Big 10 teams year in year out, that TV money doesn't mean shit. High 3 star Texas kids don't want to play in Indiana. ESPN and mickey mouse financially collapsing is the best thing for every college football fan.

[@adamcz3183]

Tech has oil money, they will have no choice but to open up their oil piggy bank.

[@timbruchmiller1042]

The Big 10 has two teams, all the B12 need to do is win, something Mississippi state will never be able to do!

[@donstreit9468]

I didn't think of it when I was listening, but you are right. That dude was only talking about 4 or 5 teams from those two conferences combined. OH THE DOMINATION!!! Please...that guest was not good.

[@trfisher51]

My argument would be that the teams left over in the B12 were never getting those 5 star kids anyway so not much has changed. My team, TCU, is leading the B12 right now in recruiting and is on pace to have it's best class ever and these kids know OU and UT are not part of the conference going in. So I am not sure how accurate he is and if he is accurate nothing has changed.

[@clayw70]

Same at Tech. Our recruiting has been better, not worse. I don't know what this guy is talking about.

[@tonypittard1894]

This guy has extreme bias toward the SEC and B10. The XII is on the rise. The moment one of these teams wins a championship, they will be “circled on the calendar.” This guy is out of touch with the big picture.

[@davidmorrison5186]

Not biased, just based on $$$ of the TV deals. I am a pac-12 fan and Larry Scott ruined everything with a bad TV deal.

[@trevezford83]

I told yall this. Im glad this guy said it. The big 12 is like a relegation league in soccer

[@lorenzohaynes3886]

But Big 12 schools are continuing to get 4 🌟 recruits.

[@CarlaJenkinsTV]

1:23 Ohio State has 91 first round draft picks. USC has 86 first round draft picks. The Big 10 pays its full members $60 million per school. Five-star Caleb Downs went to Ohio State not another SEC school. The Big 10 has the best NFL job prospects and money.

[@jansonroberts2616]

The SEC has the most active players playing in the NFL and it’s been that way for years.

[@jansonroberts2616]

Didn’t Dennis Dodd have a report that the B1G and SEC were working together as part of the recent house settlement to pay their student athletes 30 million annually while the Big12 and ACC were looking to only pay 20 to 22 million annually?

[@Rick-wx4md]

KSU is just going to keep up scaling players 3 stars to 4 and 5 stars. And KSU will retain these players. I don't see up-coaching players at KSU going away anytime soon.

[@pharman4001]

It's not just about money. If a lower tier school can offer playing time, many will choose that over the money, if it prepares them for the NFL.

[@RT-iy9pu]

Don't forget development. These multi-tranfer athletes aren't getting near the amount of meaningful development as they would with sticking it out.

[@TheYates27]

Bro most of our schools aren’t getting those players, any damn way. So what bro ?

[@jaymcclanahan353]

Doce Grande!!

[@stevemoserify]

yikes, did you even go to journalism school?

[@jameslittles5228]

He just talking. If that's the case why is Houston 2025 class looking very good.

[@davidframe1613]

I agree West Virginia doesn't have the recruits that Florida does but Florida has never had any player as big as a threat as Randy Moss. Randy Moss was probably the biggest threat to ever play the game of football from high school college to the NFL had to be triple teamed at times not even Jerry Rice got that treatment. Double team yes but not triple team I don't remember that.

[@davidframe1613]

West Virginia is actually doing a pretty good job at recruiting right now. Im kind of shocked that we're getting players like a receiver and running back that has turned down other schools in the SEC and Big ten. We just signed a big name receiver out of Georgia and a running back has committed to West Virginia also which everyone wanted. And we have some pretty good quarterbacks which I think it could be some of the best we've ever had. If Neil Brown just gets better at coaching Alabama and Tennessee may want to cancel future games with WVU it could get nasty for them.

[@shevellelewis4510]

😂😂😂

[@Qeduhh365]

Drake … lol, what you heard growing up? Lol get out of here

[@IOS336]

Say Drake, I hear you like to clickbait, Do the Big 12 a favor and clear this slate, Delete this video with this fool, don't wait. 🎤

[@TheYates27]

The only school in this Conference that has any experience being awesome with no resources is WVU. Sorry bout your luck guys this an old hat to us.

[@wetblanket1977]

Check again, okst has the smallest sports budget in the power 4, facts

[@TheYates27]

@@wetblanket1977 OK ST has boosters with crazy money and WVU is dead last in net revenue in the Conference because of all the travel. If we somehow have a bigger budget than OK St it would be due to the extra travel expenses . Either way we’re working with less. FACTS BRUH

[@davidframe1613]

One great thing for the Big 12 is football is a team sport very few positions are dominated by a great player maybe quarterbacks and receivers like if you get a Randy Moss or someone of that caliber yell it makes a difference but you don't see that very often. But let's remind everyone Marshall University a team that's never beat WVU beat Notre Dame a top program at home 2 years ago. Let's also not forget that Duke University a true basketball team beat the original dream team in a basketball game really bad it was so embarrassing for the dream team and they even had Michael magic and Larry Bird and many other Legends. And my point is you put all these great high school players on a team can they play together ?? Is there enough ball for everyone?? Can everyone stay healthy? Who's the backup of the quarterback on these teams? Egos will probably tell the backup to just go start at West Virginia or Kansas or TCU or Baylor or pitt or Georgia tech and be the star.

[@timbruchmiller1042]

Texas Tech will out recruit Florida Gators - Brian Smith is delusional!!

[@rickcoonrod7092]

The more money players get. The more drug dealers will attach themselves to players selling them drugs to get to the money.

[@jamesmccarty3326]

Blah Blah Blah

[@wetblanket1977]

Who is this dude? OKSTATE sitting on the 23rd ranked class, I believe that's better than a few sec and B1G schools Drake u let the Big 12 down by sitting there like a bump on a log and letting this dude take a big 💩 all over the conference u represent, bad man bad u get an f. Florida is probably the worst football school in the sec or at least right in front of vandy

[@timbruchmiller1042]

Coaches and recruits will go where they can win, right now all B12 schools can win, Mississippi State will never be able to win without a relegation league!!

[@richaustin5849]

Unfortunately, Brian Smith speaks the truth. Utah's just going to have to slum it in the B12 and run this league for as long we're stuck here. The Utes winning the B12 is a foregone conclusion, but need to make some noise in the CFP....Go Utes!!

[@stevemoserify]

lol

[@jamesmccarty3326]

Blah Blah Blah