Did the Miami Heat Fail This Offseason?

[@fs6688]

David always talks about how he doesn’t believe in the draft and dismisses high draft picks, but now wants to pretend the Heat replaced talent through their low draft picks and will be better than last year. Can’t have it both ways. Those players won’t be ready to contribute at an NBA level.

[@rockinon011]

Every Heat championship has been downstream of picking a superstar #5 in the draft. Pat Riley’s championships with the Lakers came from drafting Magic Johnson #1 in the draft. I’m so sick of Heat homers saying that somehow picking high in the draft is bad when every good thing that has happened to Riley is because of it.

[@FreeDom-id6yb]

@@rockinon011 Riley, like Spo was handed the big 3 (so he instantly is a great coach but how could you lose with a team built like that?) was handed a star studded team with a big 4, but we say he is great.

[@eddienova2024]

I lost respect for David. To hear your frustration on multiple reports about how the heat off-season was and then to hear you’re justification because Andy Ellisburg explain why the off-season was such a dud is beyond me.

[@Taino727]

Reality is harsh the grades are fair. Spo and these players have gotten to 2 finals and this FO has done nothing to get over the hump besides get Lowry, Iguodala, Crowder and Tucker ALL WASHED UP PLAYERS

[@mosheyuval350]

word

[@donjohnson3195]

C'mon David... You don't know if the Knicks are Better??? C'mon bro, you're sounding like the other Local Podcast 😂😂😂 Ps you guys are talking about Heat injuries, while saying Nothing about Philly (Embiid), Milwaukee (Giannis Middleton), Knicks (Everybody), Boston (Porzingis), Cleveland (Mitchell, Garland,Allen) etc... What about the other teams Injuries??? Kind of Important guy's

[@trentsmith5218]

Just watch.

[@knowledgeseeker1528]

Knicks ain't better, neither is Philly

[@seabass9043]

It was really frustrating listen to him not be objective at all. I know this is a Heat pod but you don't need to be that big a homer

[@MrMoarpienao]

@@seabass9043I think it’s not howmrism, i think this fanbase has a terrible habit of overrating other teams that don’t deserve it - like Philly. Are they going to be better? Probably but it doesn’t take two brain cells to notice that until it translates to the court you can’t win championships on paper in particular from groups that have consistently proven they can’t get over the second round hump. He’s right everyone is grading the amount of activity instead of the product on the court. Two different conversations

[@nickleavitt2671]

Who is the Knicks back up center Mitchell Robinson can’t play 48 min per game and won’t play 82 games Knicks huge weakness

[@terrance3248]

We’re going to look back on this offseason as one of the key moments long term because of Kel’el Ware, Pelle Larsson, and Keshad Johnson

[@startpupsinc9758]

The off-season and the draft are 2 different things

[@FreeDom-id6yb]

@@startpupsinc9758 Facts. Why are people trying to hide Riley has had more than 4 bad off seasons?

[@tj-23]

@@FreeDom-id6ybwow out of 26 years he’s had 4 “bad” offseasons is sooo bad

[@mosheyuval350]

nothing to do with trades they could've made

[@terrance3248]

@@mosheyuval350 and what trades were those? Realistic trades

[@markc1839]

David should define the meaning of “just fine”. A first round exit but only lose the last game of that series by 10? Heat have done nothing because they handcuffed themselves. Front office will keep selling mediocrity using homers like Ramil.

[@cooleycool3852]

They absolutely failed if the goal is to try to win a championship this season. No other way to twist it. If you’re pending on rookies, g-leaguers, and second year players to beat Philly, New York, MIL, Boston. It was horrendous cause they are stuck. I’d give it a D- because holding on to a move you made last season ain’t it.

[@gobucs7870]

They have beaten all those teams in the playoffs since Jimmy signed.Didn't see any free agents worth the money.George is only possible game changer I saw.

[@cooleycool3852]

@@gobucs7870 PHI added George. NYK added Bridges. PHI took Martin and MIL took Wright from Miami. Boston won the finals in 5 and brought back everyone. Miami brought back a off mid players and added Burks. Ware may be good but he will be cooked by the bigs of those teams. ALL OF THEM. If Embid dropped 70 on Wemby what do you think will happen when Ware faces him. It honestly was an F+ or D- grade this offseason that the front office created by beating on Robinson and Herro. They are just stuck and better hope Herro and Ducan improves if there is any hope to win this year. Which is extremely unlikely.

[@knowledgeseeker1528]

​@@cooleycool3852I smell 🐱

[@cooleycool3852]

@@knowledgeseeker1528 it wasn’t a good offseason 🐱

[@alainlamour5868]

I’ve come here specifically to chime in and say: YES! they failed. Particularly the front office regarding asset management and personnel. Adam Simon is killing it with the draft trying to redeem Pat. But make no mistake unless they get healthy and get to the finals again or win this season it has all been a failure

[@SkiLILs]

We need to rebuild away from Jimmy, he's not worth the money he wants. Bam seems pretty complacent too, might be time to listen to offers. No one wants Hero, Duncan isn't interesting for teams either, Rozier isn't it, JJJ is good, Jovic is questionable. This team isn't built to win a championship but can always surprise people but I think we should stop trying to chase rings and hit a reset.

[@alainlamour5868]

@@SkiLILs I’m of the opposite belief. I think you need an A1 type of guy to win and we got lucky and stumbled upon Jimmy. As good as bam is I don’t see him outperforming Giannis and Tatum and Embiid in the playoffs the way I’ve seen Jimmy do that. You may not get that again any time soon. You should have chosen a direction well before this and I truly think we could have missed our window. BUT… this year Jimmy is rested and motivated. Last we’ve seen him in the playoffs he was a top 5 performer in 2023 post season. I’d personally ride that wave until the wheels come off. But I’d only move Jaime for like a superstar. No lateral moves at this point with Jaime…. He’s too promising. IF Jimmy on a contract year can’t represent us well in the regular season or can’t elevate back to playoff Jimmy … then yes I’d have to strongly consider restarting around bam and just grab a shit ton of picks and move on.

[@fs6688]

@@alainlamour5868 Jimmy is old, injured and finished. Stop living in the past, he’s done and has achieved nothing

[@alainlamour5868]

@@fs6688 in what playoff series did he play in that showed us that? Bc last playoff setting I saw him in he had 4 steals at the half before Kelly oubre DDT’d this mans knee. So now after a long uninterrupted recovery … how can you make that conclusion?! I need to see it. And there is not a single player on this team good enough to give me reason to give up on the last couple years of Jimmy without SEEING the playoff decline. Not bam, not Jaime not Herro. None of them are superstars that would make me pivot off Jimmy early. That’s the only guy on this team that I can point to and say “he could play better than Tatum this series. Or Luka. Or Giannis. Or Brunson. The ONLY GUY.

[@cooleycool3852]

Yes

[@johntrinidad2554]

Idk if David keeps trolling OG ANUNOBY’s name or if he really is the only one who says it that way

[@vanjones4963]

David Ramil is a miami Homer the goal is to win championships. And Pat Riley and Company have not made this roster good enough to win the championship. This another play in team.

[@richardcase9165]

heat need to finish the rebuild and move on to next group

[@julioreyes4245]

Heat couldn’t run it back or it woulda been a failure! They added Alec burks as free agent. 😢 In other words we ran it back! Most would consider it a failure! With that said, we added exactly what we needed to take another step and it’s a big man. Ware’s defense partnered with bam will make us a top 5 defense and take us far! Miami it’s champs or bust! Gots to luv it!!!!

[@grapeape1965]

Lmao what a dog shit delusional Homer take

[@rizzletron]

Great draft out of limited picks. The trade thing only works at a certain value proposition.

[@Ethix1111]

While most teams added just another wing to their rotations, the Heat added dimension with Wares size and speed. What other rookie could have as much of an effect on the style of play? With summer league, the rotation players have been replenished. Add Bam, Jovic, and Jaquez olympic leaps to Butler contract year and this is setting up to be an exciting year.

[@JNFtv29]

They Failed 9x for the last 10years... Riley should retire now he lost his magic

[@whomeyhate219]

It's been the same thing last few years

[@donjohnson3195]

Riley lives off Dwade's work😂

[@JNFtv29]

Riley should accept he lost to Lebron 2-0 and he needs to retire now😂😂😂

[@williamb8312]

Y’all have really grew on me. I first watched yall trash this team the year we went to the finals because I mean granted they had a horrible regular season, I still judged yall for it. However I really enjoy this show now. Thanks.

[@Paul_Walton]

Im excited for this upcoming season. (1) We will get to see a full season of the Heat with Terry Rozier and they can build some chemistry with Rozier. (2) Jaquez Jr and Niko Jovic are still evolving and have not yet assumed their final form (keep an eye on Nikola Jovic, i don't think he's anywhere near his ceiling yet, he just turned 21) (3) The Heat had a great draft, KWare has a special feel for the game. Lastly, you can't get something for nothing. In 2019 the Clippers traded a 19 year old SGA and 4 first round picks for paul george. SGA is now an MVP caliber player and paul george is gone. Clips got no championship and OKC has SGA to build around for the next 10 years. I think Heat fans should not be so eager to see our young talent be traded away for anyone not named Anthony Edwards. Thank you for listening to my rant.

[@jmha2428]

Great analogy with the PG13 for SGA trade

[@fs6688]

You’re so delusional

[@grapeape1965]

Lmao absolute fantasy world you live in. Heat have shit for young players and no top end young talent or prospects. Lmao at that Jovic delusion you live in hahaha. Typical Heat fans trying to act like shine they get pick 15-59 is a superstar massively valuable asset. The Heat couldn’t get Anthony Edwards or a player that level even in a fake world where they could use all of their assets multiplied by 5

[@rockinon011]

We could have traded Jimmy Butler and Tyler Herro and gotten our own SGA bro

[@ddninja3348]

​@rockinon011 I'm just wondering, what his name?

[@unavailable856]

It was a D/F it wasn’t a good off season. They’re not counting them out but they didn’t improve. They didn’t pick make significant improvements to the roster id say they’re basically the same team as last year not player wise but talent wise. Our draft picks are still unproven so you can’t say if they’re actually good or not until they actually play an nba game

[@MrFranchize99]

It’s a never ending cycle. We say the team needs changes, changes never happen, we believe role players gonna step up, none of that happens, and we always depending on just jimmy to nuclear and bam to be the most consistent #2 in the league.

[@JohniArmani]

Running it back part 3.... I'm so disgusted.... The only bright spot this season will be the young guys which probably wouldn't even get enough playing time unless for injuries.... We were a play in team 2 years in a row.. And also those two years we ran it back... Meanwhile everybody around us continues to get better.. And yet somehow we think we're going to be better this year? Just flat out disgusting

[@Bennyblancofromthebronx]

This is actually part 4 unfortunately

[@knowledgeseeker1528]

What's disgusting is you crybabies who tap out before the season even starts. Grow a pair

[@knowledgeseeker1528]

What's disgusting is you cry babies who give up before the season even starts. Grow a pair.

[@AragonTajes]

the real question is: what you expected? i expected nothing bcs thats whats they givin' us in the last years. Jimbo and Bam will not be helped. this "culture" talk is becoming a mousetrap to the fanbase. its good for the FO to invest in "Heat Culture" bcs they can get away with singning some mid ass players and no stars/starters.

[@glend5990]

The got a good 15th pick in ware and a maturing Josh Christopher (who is the summer league steal of the year).I give Miami an A for off season pick ups

[@Taino727]

We hit on some picks for the future but for this team Right now the OFFSEASON WAS A F

[@tygod312]

Not just this seasn. Last 4 season HEAT front office mostly Pat failed. I always said Pat is overrated. He can't attract no free agents. All because of cocky attitude. Ring toss on the table trick is too old. It's time. Please go retire with Joe Biden. Miami also needs new ownership. Current owners are too cheap. They nickel and dimes everyone.

[@Therantguyyeazy]

I'm ready to go young build around bam 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@mosheyuval350]

Just came in to say one word: YES

[@allanmatute9245]

I agree with David. In terms of off season activity yes it’s an C to D grading but if we are talking about roster construction, this team is much better than last year. With all due respect, I think heat media is undermining ware role in this roster.

[@MrFranchize99]

We been saying this every year. Since we got the 1st seed this team has gotten worse each year. They just beint ignorant trying the same thing for 6 years in a row

[@trentsmith5218]

Why do ppl think Caleb is such a lost. And Burks is clearly better than Caleb, like have yall been watching basketball the last few years.

[@ImmortalxSoul7]

1 - Burks is not better than Caleb at anything but shooting 2 - Caleb is a massive loss (as an asset) when you consider you could have traded him for a few 2nds last year.

[@trentsmith5218]

@@ImmortalxSoul7 Burks is the better offensive player by far, it’s not even close. There’s not a single thing on offense that Caleb can do as good as Burks. Caleb has never had a 30 point game. The stats and eye test show it, Martin will never be as good of bucket getter as Burks. U put Caleb Martin against the Knicks last year he’s not doing what Burks did. Martin is streaky and his defensive is based on effort not actually being a lockdown defender. Besides getting value for trading him, Martin is not a big asset lost, he’s easily replaceable, and his defense is overrated. Also we are in an era where teams need scoring not average as defense. He’s gonna go to Philly and do nothing.

[@trentsmith5218]

@@ImmortalxSoul7when are yall gonna understand that the Heat are getting the most out of their undrafted players, not that these undrafted players are hidden high level nba role players regardless of where they go. Literally, besides experience, Larsson gives u everything Martin did and more with no hitch in his shot😂.

[@ImmortalxSoul7]

@@trentsmith5218 you wrote a whole essay and didn’t acknowledge the fact they mishandled Caleb as an asset

[@trentsmith5218]

@@ImmortalxSoul7 I agree they should have traded him after their finals run. But that was 2 seasons ago. I’m glad the heat ain’t resign him.

[@FreeDom-id6yb]

See the trick Pat and incomponent front office who allows Pat's incompetency plays? Rozier was a small last year move after losing out on superstar Lilliiard and others and the previous years missing out on superstars, all of which wanted to come to Miami. Some say Napping Pat didnt even call most of them back. Pat has mind gamed you all into now thinking 2 way contracts is a major move. Stop covering for the guy if you are a true fan and hold him just as accountable as he tried to hold Jimmy Butler (and I totally agree with Pat about Jimmy speaking against another team and riling them up and refocusing then so the Heat could lose he could get a big contract because the Heat can't win without him and I think that's what Jimmy did after Heat snuck up and won one against boston...he made sure no more sneak wins or a Boston collapse or that hurts his contract - the heat can beat boston without jimmy), then you have to hold Pat Riley not getting players while other teams can, accountable.

[@lhamm5210]

Grade for off season. D+/C-. Heat two or three seasons away from championship team. Free up some money in a couple of years. They will be fine.

[@AdRian-nf2ls]

David always drunk saying the knicks aren't better that Miami even though they graded up and Miami just lost a player 😂😂

[@Robin-xt7yo]

He's a 🤡

[@knowledgeseeker1528]

Knicks aren't better

[@ImmortalxSoul7]

@@knowledgeseeker1528they were better last season and just traded for an all star this season. What are you on about?

[@knowledgeseeker1528]

@@ImmortalxSoul7 All the knicks did was beat a philly team that hasn’t done anything and struggle with Indiana. I’m not convinced. They would have been out in the first round too if they played the celtics without their best player.

[@shawncain882]

​@knowledgeseeker1528 , Stop it, man, you're embarrassing yourself. NYK were better than Miami last season and will likely be again this season. They were missing Randle, an All-Star and All-NBA player for the 2nd half of the regular season and the playoffs. Miami had to play Boston in the first round because they weren't good enough to win more games in the regular season to get a higher playoff seed.

[@bigsmood4283]

Wake me up when we can give out regular season grades on actual games.

[@danny9732]

I wouldn’t say they failed because they weren’t in the position to make any significant moves. Heat fans that don’t understand the cap/aprons and how little assets the Heat have expected too much and as a result feel disappointed. There wasn’t much they could do besides sign their own draft picks and minimums.

[@markc1839]

And whose fault is that? Wake up

[@user-lb2gr4jo9o]

We made the Finals 2 out of the last 5 years and you are bringing up Dallas? Come on, I trust this front office and let's not judge before the season. Let's wait and see what happens, again I trust this organization.

[@Thundercats125]

I think Jovic and JJJ will both have a breakout season. Miami will be my dark horse coming out the east.

[@culee389]

Yup should have part ways with Josh Richardson dru smith Alec Burks should have kept zyon pullin sign Isaiah Stevens an alondes Williams

[@jeffdorris5321]

victor oladipo coming back to the Miami Heat?

[@jefourty]

The heat are already invested in young studs, they should have traded jimmy to the spurs and get the atlanta picks, might get cooper. Miami are stuck with no assets.. they could get 6-7 1st rounder for jimmy and tyler

[@grapeape1965]

Lmao no they fuck they cannot get 6-7 firsts for those two! No one, NO ONE, wants Herro nor has wanted him for the last 3yrs he’s been widely available. You don’t get anything for him, even cap relief or 2nds. now that he’s on this deal. You have to give up picks to get off his dog shit contract. Lmao at thinking butler at age 35 as a one yr rental or being forced to give him a massively overpaid long term max that even the Heat don’t want TJ give him, is gonna get you some draft picks haul hahahah. If there’s desperate team that thinks they’re that piece away from winning it all at the deadline and only wants him as a rental, bc NO ONE is paying him the max he is trying to demand so it will be hard to guarantee you keep him on a reasonable deal, which lowers his value even more OBVIOUSLY, butler maybe gets you two firsts from a good team that will be in the 20’s and the other team dumps salary to match. LMAOOOOOO 6-7 firsts hahahahahah.

[@gobucs7870]

Pistons and Bulls arent Heat caliber.Why do you think everyone in East is better?All i know is Miami has had at least 2 players a year who are suprises.Does Tyler get better since he's only 24,Can Jovic get better.Jamie,Rozier healthy and understanding system,Jimmy had more rest than every year but 1 since he came to Heat and contract year.I can understand them running it back.

[@StevenHughes-hr5hp]

Fail at what? Tyler Herro could be the next NBA Finals MVP.

[@brianjalonen1635]

Last season was a failure, offseason was a failure.

[@edwinlorenzo1405]

No it hasn’t been a failure. I love having the standards set so high, but as fans we shouldn’t be so entitled. Continue to invest in player development, and stay competitive til the right moves present themselves. This is still perennial playoff contender and free agency destination with talented young players on the roster. A top 10 talent going to Miami wasn’t gonna happen this off-season. Let’s not eat ourselves up over it. Also enjoy the summer title 👑

[@hoover133]

So if the focus is going young, trade Jimmy for assets while his price is high. They could’ve used Loves contract to retain 2 SL guys. It’s a Fail because they once again didn’t pick a direction and just let player development & coaching do it all

[@edwinlorenzo1405]

@@hoover133 what team is giving up assets for jimmy? He’s a 34 year old making $48 million, playing no where near the level of someone commanding that amount of cap space. To be fair only the top 15 guys in the league are. And even if he had top 15 caliber year he can opt just out of his deal. I don’t think there is a viable jimmy butler trade out there, and I think his trade value will be at his highest if he were to opt into 2025. Then at the least he would be an expiring going to a team that may want to unload cap space or who would want to compete and sign him to a friendlier deal after. We’re also talking about a front office that’s reached the finals in each of the last 3 decades, I trust their ability to manage assets.

[@grapeape1965]

Lmao at talented young players on the roster. This team doesn’t have a young guy with the ceiling of a 1,2, or top 3 guy on a contender lmao. Zero top young prospects zero top 50 young assets in the entire league. Heat fans are so delusional it’s unreal

[@FreeDom-id6yb]

lol...entitled because trade wise, DWade made the last best free agency move and our best trade was for shaq previous to that? Who needs to stay competitive if the talent you trade with is mediocre so its untradable (g leaguers) and Pat overpays for? It makes us less competitive - look at our cap issues for Riley overpaying low talent to stay competitve...This is a Lebron move. Riley and Spo looks like they have a high winning % with few chips - that's how they make a legacy in the nba instead of showing they can start over and build a championship team. Lebron's move was longevity to try to combat the great legacies of Kobe and MJ and win scoring titles because he has played so long. Riley is doing something similar. Boston won a chip. That's the big win.

[@glend5990]

Josh Christopher right now is better than Duncan Robinson

[@FernandoLopez-ei3hc]

Summer league aside of course it was a failure matter of fact the last 4 off seasons have been failures

[@eddycutz3926]

Wes they did NOT get an "F". Stop the hate. You criticize them more than some Boston commentators lol. They have PROVEN that they can make it all the way to the finals with a bunch of "unsigned" talent. Now, before everyone starts with their cornball responses saying "But they didn't win the title!!!".... STOP IT. They did more with NOTHING than many of your so-called "elite teams". Spending millions upon millions of dollars for athletes that may OR may not get you there is not always the answer.

[@tonygrace3435]

Of course tf

[@scaled-daddy22]

Yes ultimate failure

[@rodwave5257]

Time to fire GM

[@johnglasgow3411]

For all of the teams that did all of the trading...etc,over the last five years....how far did they get compared to miami...the only reason they were out early this year...was because their two top players were injured...Fans are the worse GM's always...because they look at what others do...instead to doing what They know best to do for their organization. Wes Goldberg is the ultimate pessimist....how often has he been right...The grass is always greener on the other side.If miami is relatively healthy....fans will be singing a different tune....David is more sound in this soundbite...doing stufff... to do stufff....willl ruin your organization....stop being a fan...and just look around the nba landscape...Move on... seriously 😮

[@FreeDom-id6yb]

Last year, they did much better. Miami was out the first round. NY was a player, Boston won the chip. Obviously not every team who made a move can win especially when they lose a series to another team that made a move. Weird how you all support a person even if it means the it indirectly are not supporting the success of the organization.

[@marcosgonza]

Sory but there is no need to wacht the video, we failed and we can expect not to compete at all this season.