Has Tyler Herro Peaked? What Does it Mean for the Miami Heat? | Miami Heat Podcast

[@TheJMizzle03]

The local Heat media set him up for failure. He was dubbed “baby goat” and the next big thing. And he ain’t.

[@juliogonzalez4764]

Don't take the Herro Haters word for it, his worth is measured by the fact that no team wants to trade for him. 30 Mil for an incomplete player. Riley will never learn.

[@mjk9674]

Riley is a total failure with contracts. Lowery 90 million disaster, Herro 30mil per disaster, Duncan 20mil disaster. And almost a disaster with Martin. No one wants Herro or Duncan, meanwhile Jimmy has wasted away for 3 years

[@juliogonzalez4764]

The problem Heat fans have with Herro is the same thing they have with most of the other top players on the Heat. They are overpaid and are incomplete players. Robinson, like Herro is inconsistent offensively and a complete defensive liability and are overpaid and therefore we can not get (or keep) players that could make our roster better. Butler is the same. He consumes 50 mil in cap space and misses more than 25% of his games and half asses it when he does play. Herro like Robinson and Butler are untradeable and therefore we're just going to have to put up with the mess that Riley has made by falling in love (and overpaying) with incomplete players until their contracts are up.

[@Mac2Mon]

Yup even Bam. Amazing defensively severely lacking offensively to be paid as a max player in today’s NBA

[@Take0vaEman]

@@Mac2Mon severely is a laughable take

[@rockinon011]

Talking about holding him to a high standard. I recall Pat Riley saying they'd only trade him for a top 75 player of all time (insane statement to make.) I recall reports that the Heat thought he would be a better Devin Booker. I remember on this podcast last year an episode with Locked on Blazers where you all were arguing that they were passing up on a future multiple time all star. It's not the FANS who have drummed up this hype Wes, look in the mirror.

[@Bennyblancofromthebronx]

You have to talk about how he sit his expectation too high on himself when he said he should be mentioned with Luka and Young.

[@NBALYW-eo1mn]

Isn't it perfectly normal for a lottery drafted, young player to have high expectations for themselves?

[@Trainpaintoday]

The expectations he put on himself forced people to look at him to a higher degree. He is a solid player just might not be a Luka or a booker which is what we expected.

[@juliogonzalez4764]

If you want to get paid like a star Herro should play like a star (but doesn't).

[@NBALYW-eo1mn]

@@juliogonzalez4764 He's only the 55th highest paid player in the league. For context, this season Luka makes $43 million, Booker makes $49 million. Herro sits at $29 million.

[@VatnikSlayer2799]

Herro has a similar trajectory to Bradley Beal. As far as stats go. If Herro were on another team his ppg would increase. I don’t think he’ll ever develop into a good defender. But offensively he can still improve and be more consistent. And I think he will. He’s a hard worker and he wants to prove himself.

[@JayK07]

Exactly

[@rockinon011]

Beal has always been much more efficient and scored like 30ppg you're tripping

[@VatnikSlayer2799]

@@rockinon011 Beal didn’t score 30 ppg until his 8th season. In his 5th season he had stats similar to Tyler. You haven’t been paying attention.

[@juliogonzalez4764]

Bradley Beal in his prime could drop 50 on any team. Herro is no where near Beal.

[@trap9190]

⁠@@VatnikSlayer2799YOU haven’t been paying attention. Beal actually scores on all 3 levels & is actually efficient. Tyler is one of the worst isolation scorers & rim scoring guard in the league. None of that ever applied to Bradley Beal. Stop simply looking at PPG while ignoring scoring in todays league is far more inflated

[@kenmoorer4678]

Dude just needs to stay on the court long enough to be effective. He can ball, but without consistency on the court he'll always fall short.

[@JayK07]

He's has two freak injuries it's not as bad as ppl make it seem

[@kenmoorer4678]

@@JayK07 You are under stating it. He's been hurt for the deep playoff runs. I'm giving him a pass for 2021. Hurt 2022, freak hand break 2023, I also give him a pass for 2024 that season never happened.

[@JayK07]

@@kenmoorer4678 u saying the same thing plus if it was like AD Kawaii Pg embid,portizings type frequency of random injuries constantly it'd be one thing

[@kenmoorer4678]

@@JayK07 Ok I gotcha

[@mjk9674]

Can't play defense or offense when under pressure

[@JasonKart-l7n]

I love how every heat podcast bashes herro every year then says I can't understand why fans don't like him. wtf

[@Mac2Mon]

💯

[@JayK07]

U ain't wrong

[@kenmoorer4678]

@@JasonKart-l7n Yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@juliogonzalez4764]

Don't take the Herro Haters word for it, his worth is measured by the fact that no team wants to trade for him.

[@MrMoarpienao]

@@juliogonzalez4764no team wants to trade for Brandon Ingram either. It’s not a trading cba critical thinking is important

[@leothelion2593]

Tyler hasn’t gotten better for 1 reason. Strength. He puts weight on in the offseason but doesn’t keep the weight on well during the season. He could literally keep the same shot profile if he got to the line just 4 times a game, he’s a 85% ft shooter. He’d be in that 22-24 ppg.

[@JaylaGoggins]

LOL. It feels like Groundhog Day when it comes to these Tyler Herro conversations! We have these sammmmmme oldddd conversations every year. It’s time to move on. I’m so sick of this 😂

[@paulgurley719]

If Tyler is to become any better he must INCREASE HIS SIZE..

[@Dizzelsoul3542]

Tyler is 6"5 If there is badly needed to increase is his ridiculously 6"3 wingspan

[@dobz746]

No its not. If ever he needs yo elevate his game he needs to be a full time point guard and improve his ball handling & playmaking skills

[@JulberPajares4]

A hybrid style similar to Steph/Klay where he can bring the ball up sometimes and play the PNR or he passes it to Draymond(Bam) and starts moving off ball hunting for 3s would be perfect for Herro.

[@dstreet4599]

Honestly, sure, at least with his current playstyle. There's still room for improvement in his game, and he'll probably make them but I don't think Tyler is going to take some big leap. He's been taking the most shots on the team for the past 3 seasons and is stuck at ~20 PPG on subpar overall efficiency. Even when Tyler came back in December after the ankle injury, he was putting up 26 PPG on 48/43/86 splits (60% TS) for his first six games back. So he was still hot and in rhythm just like he was before the injury. The problem was that he fell off a cliff as soon as we reached 2024, putting up 19 PPG 42/39/78 (53% TS) from the Clippers game in January 1st until he got hurt against New Orleans in February 23rd (he played in 22 out of the 24 games in that stretch). So I'm not sure how much injury really affected his season compared to the possibility that he simply burned out after a hot start.

[@JayK07]

Ppg depends on roster fit and a vary of factors . He was avg 26 at the start of the year but Judginf players growth off that as a main factor is what's wrong with most casual fans and etc he's gotten better in every aspect of his game every year

[@JayK07]

It depends what ppl define as a "big leap" and I'm sure that changes with every player

[@dstreet4599]

@@JayK07 The team didn't change much from December to January outside of the Lowry/Rozier trade on January 23rd...10 games (11 games really if we count the Utah loss in December 30th) after Tyler started to struggle. People defending Tyler attribute his drop off due to injuries and still project him to play at that level next season. Tyler is a good player, even a starting level player, but his improvements aren't enough to completely overshadow his weaknesses. Tyler has improved his defense over his career but even then he's average at best and is going to be the first player other teams target. Tyler has improved his playmaking but again he's just somewhat solid in that area and not enough to play that role full-time as a starter. Tyler lacks the speed, size, and/or ball-handling skills to get to the basket, and his negative wingspan makes it easier for defenders to contest him when he gets there. As a result, he's shoots abysmally at the rim and doesn't get to the line. All of this limits what he can do with his current play style.

[@InvestorYOU]

Herro is hasn't shown any improvements. He has been getting worse. Also, is never there when you need him.

[@NBALYW-eo1mn]

What basketball skill has he gotten worse at?

[@JulberPajares4]

3 years away from his prime. Just bad injury luck. Injuries in the playoffs last season and then came back for the last 5 games this season and was tasked to lead the team with no Jimmy, Terry, Duncan, Love(unplayable) and only Bam as his big. No reliable shooting around him or Bam. Imagine having no experience as a #1 option in the regular season to then in the playoffs are asked to lead a team coming back from a foot injury while shaking off the rust from missing over 20 games while missing a bunch of key players against the best NBA team/defense and defensive backcourt. Thats just being set up to fail. Though Herro and the Heat were able to take 1 game and adjust on the fly it wasn't sustainable. Circumstances and injuries are his main problems. If hes healthy this year i think fans will get the jump they've been expecting from him.

[@derekl9881]

He's 24. Less than a year older than JJJ. How has he peaked? It's like saying Jaime won't improve. Bad take fellas

[@rockinon011]

It's so tiring to boil down any honest evaluation of Herro as "you hate Tyler." Do you really think all of these basketball analysts just hate the guy personally or that they have access to his stats and they are underwhelming? Borderline conspiracy brain.

[@dstreet4599]

Seriously. To be fair I do think there's some hate geared towards his way, but at this point I think people really see that he might not be as good as expected, especially in regards to the contract he got.

[@joshuajones4097]

@@dstreet4599 you guys keep acting like he gotta max deal. The top guys are getting 60 million twice as much as Herro

[@dstreet4599]

@@joshuajones4097 No, but the Heat are paying him 30 million a year to be a scorer who scores 21 PPG (on 18 FGA, the most shot attempts on the team) at below league average efficiency, who is at best an average defender, at best a passable playmaker, has a hard time getting past defenders without a screen, isn't good at drawing contact to get to the line, and liable to miss a good chunk of the season. Tyler is a good player but there's a reason why teams aren't blowing up the phone to trade for him, despite the Heat shopping him for the past couple of seasons.

[@Mac2Mon]

Wes edited that Pelton clip taking out the part where he said Herro’s “efficiency has gone down because it stayed the same”… that continues to show what a Buffoon Pelton is in his “analysis”

[@matthewspangler2708]

Pelton has forgotten more than you know about ball, and can spell buffoon.

[@Mac2Mon]

@@matthewspangler2708 Pelton doesn’t “know” basketball. He’s a talking head whose takes are always wrong. That’s fine more power to him get your $; but he’s still a Buffoon who literally said “someone got worse at something by staying the same”. I can see why he’s a talking head and not an engineer or a Mathematician. Is he even a statistician? He’s an analyst.

[@mjk9674]

Riley needs to trade Jimmy, Herro and Duncan

[@666brandohill1]

Y'all keep making excuses for this guy!!!!!!!!!!!! He just another Ben Simmons

[@Sailingsoul.LetItGo]

That's way out of pocket. 🤣he's nothing like Ben Simmons

[@derekl9881]

Cut it out bruh, you know better.

[@aluvsfaves]

You can't peak if you don't play!!!!

[@zebracake5543]

Never been Tyler fan but he has inproved every season. I don't like his fit with Jimmy. And I believe we should keep him now and just move on Jimmy. You all are not talking about. This year draft is insane a really genartinal players are available what direction is this team going. We are not going for chip why aren't we tanking

[@joshuajones4097]

The Heat will never tank

[@zebracake5543]

@@joshuajones4097 and possibly never win a championship again . That’s life

[@JasonKart-l7n]

he isn't paid to be a top 2 option. Bam however is paid to be a. number 1 and most nights last season he was the 3rd best player on any given night,.

[@Mac2Mon]

What does Tyler have to prove? That he’s the 3rd best player on this team? He’s already done that. To prove he can’t be a #1 or #2? The Heat didn’t pay him to do that. Anyone who hates on Tyler is mad that he’s not a #1 or #2. But he is and never was supposed to be. He’s paid to be a #3. Imagine getting mad at the Director of a company not doing the work of the CEO. Herro hate = 🤡 Also, mental and physical prime is NOT 24😂😂😂😂. It’s 27. Come one David. You’ve been covering this league long enough and should know the history of the game

[@juliogonzalez4764]

Herro doesn't play defense and is over paid and therefore restricts the Heat from adding a veteran that might help make the team better.

[@Mac2Mon]

@@juliogonzalez4764they did add Rozier, but he’s worse than Herro at everything except turnovers. Should have got PJ Washington instead of a smaller guard that plays equally as bad defense

[@MAGAisVIOLENTcult]

After 30+ years I finally walked away from this team. Therapy didn't work, I drank myself to sleep for weeks on end after blowing thousands on bets.

[@kenmoorer4678]

I think that Herro is a victim of various circumstances. His injury misfortune and Butler only caring for a few games a season. If Butler consistently played like a legit #1 guy then the pecking order can fall into place and Herro would be fine. But since the #1 guy wants to coast then Herro has to try to be too many things and it all falls apart. Same with Bam. It starts at the top and everyone needs to be able to fall into their roles from there.

[@JasonKart-l7n]

this is getting old. everyone conveniently erases his stats pre injury. 26 pts on 45/45/92. These podcasts have peaked.

[@Mac2Mon]

😂

[@MAGAisVIOLENTcult]

After 30+ years I finally walked away from this team. Therapy didn't work, I drank myself to sleep for weeks on end after blowing thousands on bets.

[@dstreet4599]

Tyler averaged 25 PPG on 45/41/91 (56% TS) in his first 7 games (October 25 to November 6th) before he got injured (not counting his Memphis games since he played like 8 minutes which would his stats would drag down to 22 PPG). Returned and put up 26 PPG on 48/43/86 (60% TS) in his first six games back (December 18 to December 30). Then in the 22 games he played from January 1st to February 23rd (when he got hurt against New Orleans) Tyler put up 19 PPG on 42/39/78 (53% TS).

[@Mac2Mon]

So what’s the analysis on Bam when he got statistically worse last season? He was down on ppg, scoring efficiency, his FT% really took a dive and so did his +\-. Is he declining? And Herro is plateauing?

[@LuckBuck5192]

Bam is carrying a lack luster defense and even despite the offensive struggles he was still a allstar

[@Mac2Mon]

@@LuckBuck5192 you right. It’s because we see how special Herro could be and we are disappointed that he’s not reaching that level, but we know how limited Bam is and that’s he’s just defense like a more versatile defensive Gobert; and will never be a #1 so we admire him for just trying. #HeatNation

[@christopherbedell1848]

Where is the Bubble Herro that was scoring 35 efficiently? He's a bust