Dan Hurley Turns Down Lakers, Stays at UConn. Where Did the Lakers Go Wrong?

It was going to be a big Monday one way or another, but it went the wrong way for the Lakers. UConn head coach Dan Hurley will remain UConn head coach. He turned down an offer from the Lakers reported to be worth $70 million over six years.
That's a lot of money, no doubt, but was it the right offer for this situation? Or even close?
A very solid argument can be made the Lakers decided to play a hand that required them to go all in, to use the poker parlance, but were only willing to push in 75% of their chips. A move this bold required EVERYTHING to be bold, from the concept to the offer. Now maybe Hurley still would have said no-in the poker analogy, they go all in and still lose the hand-but how you play the hand matters, and just as critically, the downstream impact of losing out on Hurley would look a lot different.
What does this say about the way the Lakers operate? How much could this news impact the search that is now ongoing?
Does this make it harder for them to hire JJ Redick, if that's the next target? Does it make the job less appealing for Redick?
HOSTS: Andy and Brian Kamenetzky
SEGMENT 1: Hurley says "no thanks."
SEGMENT 2: Did the Lakers come with the right offer?
SEGMENT 3: What happens now?
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[@chriszeuner6629]

Lakers need new ownership

[@One_Black_Panther]

I BEEN saying this...even b4 Bron gotbthere u could see how the organization was run...it's a clown show. Jeanie Buss is running her father's legacy into the ground. She doesn't have what it takes to lead

[@underthesun312]

JEANNIE BUSS, SELL THE LAKERS: If you can't stand the $$$$ HEAT, get out of the kitchen!

[@ljutko7]

Yes! U have one QUEEN waiting to buy it 😁

[@xxkingxdijonxx8118]

It deadass was only 75% all in. You said it best Andy, its better to look TOO THIRSTY than UNSERIOUS.

[@jackanderson1418]

Dan Hurley should have been locked down before any announcements were made. Big mistake.

[@CorySpencer]

I am shocked that Dan Hurley doesn't want to coach an ageing star that acts out on the court and in public when he doesn't get his way. Or be involved in nepotism.

[@JoshuaMartian-go3tm]

What's frustrating Kam bros is yall and us follow guys like Shams and Woj like they know everything. We believed their hype on JJ and Hurley and seemingly they were both wrong. I don't think Hurley ever wanted the Laker job, he just wanted publicity and a raise, which he got via his friend Woj and Woj got to body slam Shams in return.

[@LockedOnLakers]

There is certainly a possibility that Hurley was truly just trying to leverage UConn, and that these talks were just a mechanism to get more money from them. I don't think that's the case, but I certainly acknowledge it's a possibility. But if that's what it was, it's really not a good look for the Lakers, either. It means they allowed themselves to get played in part at least because they didn't do proper due diligence. BK

[@user-lc4xh9lh7o]

This is just my perspective: Dan was comfortable in his current job but wanted more money. His calculations were; see if the Lakers would pay him 100m. If not use the publicity to get his current employer to increase his pay. Either way, the Lakers are an incompetent organisation. Questioned why it was even publicised when no terms had been agreed.

[@JoshuaMartian-go3tm]

@@LockedOnLakers If Hurley was the one who leaked this or told his friend Woj (which I believe he did) to do him a solid and break this news seemingly out of nowhere, the Lakers would have no choice but to pursue it right? I mean Rob wouldn't say no to an interview even if he knew he had no chance. The narrative is Hurley was the Lakers pick from the beginning, right? told to everyone by Woj, Hurley's friend, yet they never got an interview before now? And it was never leaked til now? Sorry but I don't buy it. The one who comes out of all this smelling like a rose and seemingly gets everything he wanted is usually the one who dealt it, to use a fart analogy. I think Hurley played everyone and put the Lakers in a position to just deal with it. Cuz if they denied the meeting, they would get criticized by the media and fanbase for not meeting. Damned if they did or don't.

[@JoshuaMartian-go3tm]

@@user-lc4xh9lh7o It was publicized by Woj, remember? Hurley's friend. We all followed Shams reporting like sheep before Woj's supposed bomb that JJ had the job in the bag. Now we collectively do a 180 and believe Woj's narrative that Hurley was numero uno the whole time? I know u and many believe if it was 100 mil that Hurley would have taken the job. I doubt it. WHy would a man leave a situation where he's loved by everyone, paid millions, has a successful team and a chance at history, take a job for a few more millions. Get taxed a few more millions, move to a state his family hates, to take a job that he will be under a spotlight, scrutinized by the media on a daily bases and preyed on by a vicious fanbase/ haha

[@DEEiBe]

@@LockedOnLakersWhat are they supposed to do? lol how were they able to read his mind and know they were getting played prior to their offer?

[@DEEiBe]

The problem is that they let him out out the building without signing on the dotted line… It seemed he was in until he went back home and talked to people through the weekend. It wasn’t the money. Sales 101, get the deal closed before they walk away, or else they’re not coming back.?

[@basketballgod2791]

I’m starting to see now why Magic Johnson left this team

[@officialpariswestburn4235]

The lakers front office are idiots. Complete idiots. They had a chance at Ty Lou. One of the best coaches in the game who has a repoire with Lebron. They low balled him. That should provide deep insight into how they operate. If Lebron wants to win now, he needs to leave now. Rob Pelinka and Kurt Rambis are no brain trust when it comes to the front office. Lebron leave now.

[@mraaron50]

In the words of Marlo from the Wire, the Lakers “want it to be one way, but it’s the other!” Lakers brand doesn’t have the lure it has historically had and they still operate like it does…really sad

[@IAMHIM15]

yeah, that's why they have the biggest fanbase worldwide. keep telling yourself that. lol

[@stevewise1656]

Exactly! That's what dumbass posters here don't understand, because they don't understand organizational perception. The Lakers don't have a top tier front office. Heck, the front office is ridiculously small and they have constant turnover with strength coaches, sports PT's and on and on.

[@logicalbrother]

Good names fade but smart decisions is critical...sorta like Will Smith teaming with Martin after his fall from grace... laughs and lots of explosives can't lose was smart decision.

[@richborn6700]

@@IAMHIM15 A fanbase that had been fostered since the 1980s through the 2000s. Lakers have running on fumes since 2016

[@IAMHIM15]

@@richborn6700 'fostered?' Are u sure that's the word you were looking for? 😅

[@DJJE928]

They wanted to give Hurley 6 years but, wouldn’t give Lue 5? Clowns.

[@WilliamNoelle]

I think Andy nailed it. They were inly 75% on Hurley based on the offer. The publicity alone should have garnered a huge, once in a lifetime offer.

[@danielbridges8927]

Hey guys. Been thinking about this a lot over the last bit of time. So either the FO didn't understand that Hurley wasn't going to leave and they went all in for a guy that wouldn't or couldn't leave the EC, or they didn't do enough to get him to leave, OR he was going to leave and then met with them and realized that they were completely a mess. In any way you look at this, this is a total failure of imagination on account of our FO. Either they were incompetent in the room, incompetent in their research, or cheap, or a combination of all of the three. If they had any inclining they shouldn't have gone all in, but I think this is a failure of recognition of how the Lakers used to be viewed and how they are viewed. Jeanie once said that anyone that didn't want to play with Kobe was a loser. Well that isn't true. Other people won in different ways, and not with Kobe. The mentality of our Laker ____ doesn't stink and everyone should be begging us for the opportunity permeates through this organization. Not to mention there is absolutely no outside thinking or any descent in the room. The Lakers need to live in the now, but it starts with looking in the mirror without any filters on, and I don't think the FO can do that or even understands what that means. This is the ultimate in 2nd generation wealth. I want Jeanie to do well, but this is her failure. Her shame. She hired her friends and people she likes rather than people good at their jobs cuz she wants a nice environment, but winning isn't nice. Her only saving grace is that LeGM and Klutch came, however they took advantage of the old starlet and now have emptied her bank account and about to leave her with nothing. I wish this wasn't a 90s made for TV movie, but it is. And it is so predictable and sad. We talked about how bad Dolan was as the Knicks owner, but Jeanie gets a pass cuz of LeBron wanting to make movies.

[@smlee7348]

Hurley simply PLAYED Lakers for Uconn counter-offer.... and Lakers complied with hope to close it.... FOOLed Jeanie & Rob.... Rob must go and find Coach to build future team on youth & athleticism.... good day

[@Jonny0nline]

No one respects an owner who would marry Jay Mohr.

[@EST1217]

THIS. Serious red flag.,

[@herusun3654]

This is just plain chaos from the front office. Hurley wasn't just a rookie coach coming up from college. This guy is the hottest coach at the college level and just won back-to-back National Titles! You don't go after him and miss. You don't fly him across the country without an agreement on the numbers before he gets on the plane. This is a bad look for the Lakers all the way around...

[@PhillyP75]

They didn’t make him an offer that he could refuse… what a disaster…

[@marystewart1125]

KY made a similar offer. LA can’t do better than college?

[@neugey]

The reason the optics are so bad on this is because we let Woj disclose the 6/70 immediately with the news of Hurley turning it down. Now any garden variety candidate is going to ask for the 6 years and have the leverage to get it. And LeBron is going to be insufferable if it's anyone but JJ. Losing out on Hurley plus having it go down like this is worse than the Westbrook trade. Pelinka just set back the Lakers for at least a decade.

[@je5406]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@robs4491]

Jeannie is not a competent owner. She needs someone who knows basketball better than Rob and Rambis. She needs to hire a smart President of Basketball Operations.

[@ljutko7]

Drama QUEEN is to help her don't worry they can make it work

[@kf4778]

If it were about the money you would've heard that Hurley made a counteroffer and the Lakers turned him down. That wasn't reported. It wasn't about the money. The stage was too big and the lights were too bright in LA. Most people didn't even know his name until he was attached to the Lakers, and it dominated the sports headlines. He could eventually make the same money in College without all the intense pressure from coaching here.

[@ghostb.c.4501]

Six year $70 million is more like $45 million with California taxes. Surprised the front office didn't seem to take that into account

[@josephgussman1394]

No, top rate is 14.4% 7.41%more than Connecticut's 6.99 Thus apx $4.9m or $65.1 m

[@mattosso7676]

Andy...You need to trademark "And...oh by the way...." That's the Andy Kamenetzky equivalent to Ireland's "Why not?!"

[@abe8824]

idk if its just me, but it seems pretty obvious the lakers were never serious about JJ. im trying to find where the "pat riley" comparison came from and it says it got "leaked" from LA? look, the lakers might have some problems that seem a little concerning from the outside, but one thing they do very well is they rarely leak anything to the media Shams reported LA was zeroing in on JJ, and then 2 days later the Hurley news comes out, and today Woj said Lakers havent had a real meeting with JJ, also im pretty sure Woj and Pelinka are close. So i seriously doubt JJ is a real candidate unless hes the last option. lakers are actually good at keeping things in wraps from everyone. I personally felt like Hurley was gonna say no and i was right, now i believe LA will be fine and hire a fine or solid assistant as their coach

[@jackanderson1418]

Could U- Conn have told Dan Hurley they would match what ever Lakers Offer so he would stay?

[@dantheman1689]

Lakers looking sad

[@aarongoldstein1172]

Let’s face it: lakers being cheap again

[@mburland]

"Bet it all on Fanduel." Terrible messaging.

[@williamjames6495]

As long as pelinka is in office things will not get better. He has no relationships in the nba. Ppl don’t like him and if the do business with him they make him overpay (the laker tax) Jennie needs to learn to separate business from friendship

[@bigalshotsauce]

Why do you keep saying JJ is going to feel like a consolation prize and not take the job? That would be like me saying I am upset at Beyoncé because she picked Jay Z over me and now even if she picked me I'm gonna say no. Well that's a load of BS

[@Cahluvca]

It was leverage...pivot, the marathon continues

[@robs4491]

There is no such thing as a long term coach in the NBA unless that person proved something like Pop, Spoe and Kerr.

[@socalgolf9978]

He said no to Bronny lol

[@franchise98bjn]

Their gonna end up with Vogel again 😂

[@One_Black_Panther]

They might as well 😂. But if I were him I'd turn them down too. They are truly a clown show

[@ljutko7]

💯🥳🎉

[@lionoh]

They should of gone in Hard,Not Charmin soft! Did they not account for the Cali Tax? He would be making what he is making right now Or close. Regardless it was not enough to have a man move his whole family and his roots far away to a new location. This whole power personnel in LAL Needs a reboot to many fumbles.

[@user-vk1nq9hx7v]

They keep saying going public as if the Lakers put all that noise out there. Unless I'm missing something because I'm not that far west. Everything thing I've heard about this came from woj. He's the one that made the claim it was going to be a massive 9 figure deal, not the lakers.

[@ernesttrinidad]

Kevin Ollie turned the Lakers down in 2014. He was coaching UConn...where is he today? No one cares.

[@jebbiemetta8256]

Who is he? 😂

[@robs4491]

AK and BK, who do you think will be the next Lakers coach? Is Jay Wright a possibility? Or Mark Jackson?

[@killastarr3855]

Time for Palinka to do public humble pie. Hold a press conference beginning with the words "i screwed up" and rehire Frank Vogel.

[@ljutko7]

🎉💯

[@dbok]

Was this in part more fallout from the way they treated and fired Frank Vogel? Prospective employee asks around about the company.

[@mattosso7676]

The biggest issue with anyone who takes the Lakers head coaching job is easy to see: Lebron and Klutch. Lebron has maybe 2 years left. And he wants a chance to win another title (which is NEVER going to happen BTW. The Lebron Era is over. He's just a stat-padder.) Lebron is always about Lebron. He plays for the back of his jersey. Always has. Always will. So, Lebron will do what he always does: use his influence to push Pelinka and Buss (who have no spine to stand up to Lebron or Klutch) to CONTINUE to mortgage the Lakers future for his own personal agenda and get rid of draft capital and young development talent to bring in Vets past their prime. Which is what got them into this mess in the first place. If I'm a coach, I would want TOTAL control of the team, from assistant coaches to the offensive and defensive systems to who the Lakers sign to who the Lakers draft (Bronny James, anyone???). But more than that I would want to have a core in place that I can build around. You can't build around Lebron; he'll be retired in a couple of years. You can't rebuild around AD; aside from last season, he can't stay healthy for a full season, he only shows up 1 out of every three games and he's never gonna be an alpha. And the rest of the roster is bad as well. So for me, it's easy to see why no one wants this job and thus, Pelinka and Buss will be so desperate to keep Lebron that he will do anything to please him and that means it's the worst case scenario: Reddick.

[@billnoi]

No flopping in a Hurley offense. Bad fit to begin with.

[@tlmarshall21]

OMGoodness...Are we still on this? I really feel like folks are making mountains out of molehills. Lakers will be fine. Move On AK/BK 👍🏾

[@westrueblood8178]

Yeah we are still on the fact that the Lakers still don’t have a coach with no good candidate in sight. The one good candidate-Dan Hurley-they failed to sign after much fanfare that they would. This situation is a big deal.

[@tlmarshall21]

@@westrueblood8178 Again, mountains out of molehills!

[@jrrosberg9324]

What's next ? Who's next? What the he'll man .........Andy 😅😅😅

[@jrow3101]

This was a bait and switch that's why they low balled him. They wanted trash Redick but when older real Lakers fans like myself weren't having it, they concocted this fake offer so they can install yet another Klutch interloper. Smh, I'm done. 40+ years of Lakers fandom down the drain. The way they handled this I'm not only giving up my fandom I will actively root against the Lakers until Jeanie Buss either sells the team or gives it to someone else to run.

[@user-yw6kh2ef5v]

Get out then. One less crybaby fan we have to worry about.

[@jrow3101]

@@user-yw6kh2ef5v stop the troll farm. Jerk off.

[@robertwilliams-np6wb]

Hurley played the Lakers 100%. Like his father he enjoys hanging out at school all-day. Hurley is a country club white boy who never had a thought of moving to LA. UConn has a 50% white enrollment with 6% black enrollment. Bros, you know ESPN people from Connecticut. I have lived in LA area my whole life. Older than you. I have met people from all over the world. Don't know anybody from Connecticut. Rob and the Lakers got embarrassed by Hurley. Thats OK. Hiring Hurley would have been worse. Hurley might be an NBA coach someday. Utah or Boston, most logical.

[@westrueblood8178]

I have family from Connecticut who moved to LA.

[@_WEsTWooD]

Rondooooooooooooooooooo

[@bigalshotsauce]

Would be a great coach, he helped us win 2020

[@stevewise1656]

First, Darth whatever played himself with his keyboard warrior games. Will the Lakers stay with the, "we want to build a program" or was that all bs? I'll go out on a limb here :), Rob will do a 180 and he'll hope we'll Al forget about all that silly talk.

[@charlesweldonjr6773]

Darvin Scam

[@marystewart1125]

Honestly…East coast people don’t want to live in LA. Sorry.

[@ramel3892]

Woj already said the Hurley was not ready to make the leap and offering more money was not the ideal solution. How can you even change that if you are the Lakers? They offered more money and years for a first time NBA head coach. Most are blaming the Lakers and not even considering the other side's perspective.

[@stevewise1656]

That's not the point. It's about the perception the Lakers didn't want to pay Ty Lue for an extra year and lost him to the Clippers. Even if he turned down 100M at least it reflects well on the Lakers going all out.

[@herusun3654]

This is all on the Lakers front office. You don't fly the hottest coach in college ball across the country if you haven't already agreed on the numbers. That was just chaotic.

[@jamesbell6486]

It's easy for the Media to crap on the Lakers for not giving him a godfather offer that never coach in the NBA when it not coming out of your pocket 🤣

[@ljutko7]

Lakers Fakers 😢😂

[@dennisknowles9293]

Maybe his wife vetoed the deal😂😂😂

[@jpRobespierre]

Godfather offers are nothing but sports erotica. The narrative is so dumb and shallow; thinking the perception of extremely overpaying for a person is better optics then overpaying for a person, especially when you suggest that whatever they offerd Hurley they would have to offer the next coach because they have the emotional IQ of a teenager. Projecting the your feelings onto other people is straight up fan-fiction level rhetoric that strips any agency in opportunity from the next possible candidate. Thinking like that is fantasy and shares no basis in reality with the real world. The people who truly opperate similar to what you're implying for these potential coaches are clincical sociopaths who are incapable of being a successful coach at the professional level. Name me one person who has turned down a coaching offer just because another person passed on the opportunity. But I get it, theres so much nuance to this process and the only thing people want to hear is humiliation cucking and hyperbole so get them clicks boys.

[@HERKIMER_]

LOW BALLED HIM____WOULDA GIVEN HIM A 10YR/120MIL AND IT WOULDA BEEN A BARGAIN.... (mark jackson is still out there and is even better than hurly)

[@mescudi971]

Giving life to this narrative to so annoying and untrue. You’re turning things on Jeanie , making her seem incompetent. If the lakers got Dan for 6 $70 no one would be saying anything. The money would have been fine. Sometimes things don’t work out. It’s not the end of world. I guess Jeanie is satan for not shelling out 100 million dollars to a coach who hasn’t stepped foot in the league yet. Seeing every Laker media channel bash the team consistently is painful to watch . “God father“ offer is the silliest thing to keep turning back to.

[@kf4778]

If it were about the money you would've heard that Hurley made a counteroffer and the Lakers turned him down. That wasn't reported. It wasn't about the money. The stage was too big and the lights were too bright in LA. Most people didn't even know his name until he was attached to the Lakers, and it dominated the sports headlines. He could eventually make the same money in College without all the intense pressure from coaching here.