What is the best case AGAINST Green Bay Packers QB Jordan Love?

[@Haduj56]

Where were all these Malik Willis fans when he was riding the bench behind Will levis?

[@ian1753]

PFF had GBs Oline Top 10 2 yrs straight. Improved this year over last yr. It's probably one of Gutenkunsts best job as a GM constructing it. I would hate to see Love behind a average Oline to be honest.

[@kylebhouser]

He would be fine behind an average o-line if he could consistently take the check downs and use his feet when given an opening. If he adds either of those to his game next season (with the o-line he has), he will be a clear top 8 QB. If he adds both, he has the potential to move in to the top tier.

[@ThomasGrocott-o4z]

Remind me how many times J Love has been to the super bowl vs Jalen Hurts or Brock Purdy, only winning matters. Stats are for losers

[@Haduj56]

@@ThomasGrocott-o4z brain dead fan here😮‍💨, stats are for fans of football, wins are TEAM accomplishments

[@ian1753]

You can tell Peter bought so much Stock in Jordan Love that he is trying to use any metric he can to not have buyers remorse....

[@williamhermann6635]

This isnt the own you think it is. Who in their right minds would have buyer's remorse about a qb whos led them to playoffs twice in 2 years starting all with the youngest roster in football the entire time? Rodgers had exactly 0 playoff wins to this point in his career with an even better rosterm Didnt have an overly great regular season the year they won the super bowl either. That team was 6-6 and struggling before getting scorching hot. Youre just blind hating Love cuz you cant let Rodgers go. Time to grow up.

[@Lee86THUNDER]

Trade love! Start willis with the higher ceiling. Malik opens up way more with his athleticism. He can win with his arm when they let him throw! Im semi joking, i wish i could see that multiverse lol

[@squishymcsquisherson]

He's lost us more games than been the reason we won. If the argument begins with stats and comparing his "first 2 years to Favre and Rodgers" then go talk to a wall. When so far, have we ever been in a game, where we needed Love to be THE GUY and BE THE REASON we win a game..... and he's done it? If you take away the Chiefs, Lions and Dallas playoff game....... what other game in 2 seasons does anyone actually remember him playing great off the top of your head. You can EASILY wave your hand at it when the only good QB play was a 2 month stretch. Every argument, people point to a small little window. That's like arguing Jeremy Lin was a great NBA player cuz he went Nuclear for 20 games. Watching the QB play of the Final Four QBs in the playoffs should tell you how damn far off he is from actually being a Top 10 QB. You aren't taking Jordan Love over a dozen other QB in the league. Plain and simple.

[@thecrazynodak]

Very apt assessment

[@flyers7788]

i wonder how many of these great stats he runs up in the forth quarter when we are trailing and the other team is playing a more prevent defense

[@PackerBacker911]

@@flyers7788 Most of his best stats are in the 4th quarter and when trailing. Racking up stats against soft defenses.

[@kylebhouser]

You named three games... Chiefs, Lions, and Dallas. Add to that Vikings and Bears from 2023, plus Cardinals, Dolphins, and Seahawks from 2024. That's 8 great games out of 32 he actually played in. Add to those games Chicago and Atlanta from 2023 when he threw for 6 total TDs and 0 INTS, but a low completion percentage. The 49ers game from 2024 was 2TDs 0 INTS, but a low completion percentage. Think about how those games would have looked without the drops. I'm not saying he's an elite QB, but I can only think of four QBs I would trade him for immediately if I were given the opportunity... Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, and Burrow. I think we saw what Sam Darnold really is at the end of this season and we saw what Brock Purdy really is when he doesn't have his elite playmakers available. I would say right now, Goff and Mayfield look more consistent. Nix and Daniels are coming up behind him, but Love was those guys last year. So realistically, I'm only taking 7 or 8 ahead of him at best.

[@squishymcsquisherson]

@kylebhouser Only 4??????? I'd swap Love with Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, Stroud, Daniels, Goff, Mayfield, Stafford, Herbert. That's 11 right there. And you can argue for Dak, Purdy or even Bo Nix is already proven to be better at this point.

[@Mark-no5ji]

Willis is a better quarterback. Period!!!

[@whowahska]

Yeah. Why they didn't play Willis while whining about an injured Love is beyond me.

[@mikeb3365]

Two years ago is two years ago. LaFluer has many fine qualities, but I have always questioned his decision-making in game and out. Yeah, Hafley seems to be a win, but time will tell.

[@haerfgvbag7050]

I think why Love gets some hate is because he was way overhyped both during and after his rookie season. I saw many comments putting him beside Brady. lol. He’s a fine QB but people just got a little too excited to have another elite qb in Green Bay

[@paparhaz9277]

There were a lot of things to not like about Love this year. I can understand why us as Packer fans are concerned. - I think the biggest thing is I hope Jordan love watch this year‘s playoffs, this year’s playoffs told me everything I need to know about the next coming young generation quarterbacks. The mentality of just relying on skill will not work ever in this league. Jordan Love has a tremendous skill level, but the one thing that he is missing from his DNA is winning in however fashion it takes. I hope the injury really limited him this year because next year I want to see him be a leader 100% in control and make decisive decisions if I see him throwing into a triple coverage next year on the first three drives I promise I’m not watching the game

[@PackerBacker911]

I hope he stays healthy all season so we can really see if it's injury or if it's just who he is. The injury excuse all season got pretty old.

[@brandenudulutch824]

Counter point: Not saying it's perfect, but throwing into double/triple coverage shows Love really trusts his receivers and is willing to let them make plays (they often do). Would you prefer that or Caleb Williams who doesn't trust his receivers so he doesn't throw to them unless they're wide open, which causes him to hold the ball too long and take sacks. I get there's also a middle ground, but the throwing into triple coverage wins more than it loses for Love, so I'm fine with it. Most of his picks don't come from throwing into double or triple coverage.

[@cartifan911]

@@PackerBacker911 the injuries are just excuses, the injuries have nothing to do with decision making, accuracy, handling pressure, or reading the field. The only thing that was affected was mobility

[@Lee86THUNDER]

I do hope love was playing hurt bc those last two games were terrible. The play calling and decision making were terrible and im hoping it was from the injuries

[@Pnw208]

This playoffs was exactly the same as the last 10. It’s just a different team… we make it by beating decent teams but as soon as we play a physical team they dominate us. The packers simply do not draft mean physical players. I thought this team is more physical than most but there is a clear difference between the 49ers, eagles and the packers. We are still a finesse team with lots of bells and whistles but we get bullied by teams that are straight up better and play physical

[@PackerBacker911]

We didn't really beat any decent teams this year.

[@Utah57668]

And that lack of physicality definitely showed up in the Eagles game.

[@kylebhouser]

I don't think they were dominated, though. I think they lost a fumble that they had actually recovered, lost their best offensive lineman early in the game, and then didn't get a pass interference call on Love's last interception. It could have easily been a neck and neck game until the very end when Saquon didn't slide and the Eagles won by one possesion.

[@johnreasonover3215]

He's hit or miss,when he's hot he's hot when he's not he's not lacks consistency

[@whowahska]

Packers Special Teams jockstraps are still laying all over Lambeau Field from that Bears trick play a few weeks back. Front office is still canvassing local volunteers to clean it all up. Cheapskates won't pay 'em. 😂😂😂

[@michaelhoger1344]

My concern on drafting Jordan Love wasn't his talent or potential, it was his experience in playing big games in college, and more importantly his lack of leadership. He clearly has demonstrated time and time again he has zero leadership ability...there is your compelling reason. Leadership is the limiting factor in business, sports, and life...leaders are and always have been a rare commodity. Peter, I hope you read that and really step back and take a solid look at the what many of see is a lack of leadership in Green Bay.

[@GhpNetwork]

Nowhere in the book says QBs have to be the leaders.

[@TheBrotherHoodSports]

Well you need to look at his leader Matt Lafleur. Jordan Love is more mature than that headset throwing maniac.

[@Lee86THUNDER]

Gb is full of non leaders. It shows

[@flyers7788]

@@Lee86THUNDER Dobbs comes out complaining about the offence and gets him self suspended, alexander is more than ready to leave nixon comes out with i am the number 1 db and am not going to return balls kraft comments about seeing this end of season failure coming someone sure as heck needs to take charge

[@thecrazynodak]

First of all, because he's following two HOF QBs, people seem to think that Love will end up doing the same. I'll reverse the question on you: what exactly did he do this season that should silence any doubters? I can't think of anything. Second, for every breathtaking throw he makes he has two ghastly INTs that NFL QBs simply can't make. That's the same flaw that Favre had which cost Green Bay dearly in the playoffs multiple times. So far his big claim to fame came in the Wild Card last year versus the Cowboys where he was incredible, but then threw a ghastly game-losing INT against the Niners the following week, doing an incredible tribute to Green Bay's famous wellfare-stealer. Third, make all the excuses you want about his supporting cast, all I remember in the offseason was everybody talking about how young and promising the Packers were, now all of the sudden we're saying Love needs a WR1 in order to be good. Even if there's some merit to that, he's getting paid superstar QB money, he's supposed to "elevate", so I'm not going to sit here and post bail for him when the Packers flame out against good teams like they did.

[@davekudzma6105]

Talent around a QB definitely makes a difference. You can look at the stats of many QBs, they are different with quality WRs

[@PackerBacker911]

100% spot on. The excuses are getting old! It's everyone else's fault in some peoples eyes. The injuries, the WR's, the offensive line, the play calling, etc. When you holdout for the big contract you should be able to be the player that rises above all that and make everyone around you better.

[@markpintor1586]

Jordon Love does not win the big games this year. Is inconsistent.

[@markpintor1586]

I don't care about stats or metrics. I care about Super Bowls!!! It's un fair because it's a team game but the Quaterback position is the most important position.

[@mattr27]

He's too up and down. It's just who he is as a player since college. He's either Aaron Rodgers or Blake Bortles. Can't win with someone like that.

[@SunShine-xc6dh]

He adds nothing to the team. The games where he need to make a legitimate contribution towards victory, he doesn't and we lose with out fail. We good enough to beat bad to average teams without him, and he not good enough to help us beat the better teams.

[@scottchilcutt7440]

As always, people go to extremes. He is not at top 10 QB but he is not a bottom 10 QB. And the eye test is his accuracy. If you really watch the tape, about 20% of his throws show accuracy problems. Even some receptions you can say are inaccurate throws. This goes back to college. Many of the crossing routes are behind the receiver and many of his deep balls are under thrown or towards the leverage of the DB. His footwork regressed this year and that hurt his accuracy more. Does that mean get ride of Love, no He is a good QB who needs to be better. His revivers did not help him as much this year and he was not good enough to overcome that, He could be elite if he improves his accuracy, but again, this goes back to college tape.

[@Pnw208]

I’m not 100% sold on Love. I’m not saying Malik is better but I think we should let him sit for 2 more years and if love clearly isn’t the guy and Malik progresses I’m down with giving him a shot. He could be like Sam Darnold. He doesn’t need to have the arm talent if he always makes the right choice. I want a mobile WB so bad. Even Mahomes and Allen both run. Allen is a big heavy guy but he runs WAY MORE than love! Rodgers at this point in his career ran more than Wilson did. He could scramble in the pocket and made defenses pay for leaving space. I can’t tell you how many times there is a huge lane up the middle where Live can easily pick up the 1st and Live bails on the run to force a pass into double or triple coverage only to be intercepted or knocked down. I just want a QB who takes the easy runs but Live won’t even take the gummies!!! Defenses literally don’t even have to worry about it

[@JMAC479]

You'd get so much more subscribers and viewers if you cut the length in half. I stop by to listen once in a while but most of the video is just rambling on. Nobody wants to watch or listen to rambling.

[@IsaacMSingleton1]

So Jordan love doesn't take sacks but his line sucks? The amount of excuses for jordan love is hilarious. You should question the stats if they tell you love is anywhere near Rodgers in any category. Also Rodgers would take a sack over throwing a pick, we all know jordan love is the complete opposite.

[@EthanDonovan-w4o]

Has the lowest pressure to sack ratio in nfl history with a 7.7% rate his oline is heavily helped by him

[@anonymoushuman3004]

It's not just interceptions to finish the season. It's his lack of confidence as a leader, lack of poise in big games, big situations, lack of tak&run instincs, missing layouts. It's everything.

[@thomasaimone8595]

What makes you think he lacks confidence as a leader? I'm curious to know.

[@TripleXonly]

Jordan Love doesn't bring any fire to the team. I think he needs to be more of a leader. A little more energy could get him going earlier in a game. It can also trigger other players. Love comes out flat and slow in every game. To go along with that, he was a turnover machine for half the season. This is not good! Let's forget that Cowboys game now,it was 2 seasons ago. Love needs to do more , and he has to do better !!!

[@TheBrotherHoodSports]

You should just be happy that he is staying calm while watching everyone around him drop all of his passes. No Rodgers smirk in 2 years.

[@IsaacMSingleton1]

Love stinks, there was a time when packers fans defended the rashan Gary contract, the Kevin King draft pick, and plenty of other failure. Come back to this video in 3 years and laugh at it.

[@PackerBacker911]

The Cowboy game is what made people think he was elite. For whatever reason there wasn't a defender within 5 yards of our WR's that game. He was never that good before that game and hasn't played as well since that game.

[@TripleXonly]

@PackerBacker911 i understand what happened in Dallas. People need to stop using that game as a reference. Love has problems. Let's address the issues and stop talking about what he was good at 2 seasons ago. Or when he threw a good ball in a game . He needs to consistently play good, the problems need to be fixed!!

[@johnklosterman4732]

Love was the best qb in the nfl the 2nd half of 2023. Injured all of 2024. He has to prove it in 2025

[@djrychlak4443]

Malik Willis makes better decisions with the ball. It's pretty obvious.

[@flyers7788]

Willis throws a more accurate ball unlike love he hits receivers in stride with a chest high ball.With love they have to slow down usually the ball is slightly underthrown he puts to much air under the ball constantly off balance when he throws the ball throws of his back foot even when he does not have to.

[@ScooniePenn10]

Love didn't play well against the better teams and coincidentally the OL played like 1st graders in all of those games as well. Love and GB don't seem to be able to make the off-schedule plays a team needs to beat the best when the bullets are flying.

[@keithcoppens622]

You made the argument yourself, would you consider Garrappolo better than Aaron Rodgers at that time? And I am not a Jordan Love critic

[@rickhook2860]

Jordan Love does not scare any team. At best top 15-20 QB, nothing more. Can win with him, not because of him. You argue big games fluky. So numbers don't count for those games but they do for his good games against bad teams. He is also proving to be injury prone. Lastly, stop talking about him as a 2 year starter. He is 27 and has been in the league for 5 years playing under the same HC-OC his entire time. Still throws off his back foot, still randomly throws it up into coverage. Where is his improvement YOY? Given his ideal circumstance he should be further along in his development. He is a starting caliber QB, but he is not a a top ten 55 million dollar QB. Simply stated he is a JAG.

[@PackerBacker911]

100%

[@travisbaker2001]

And he is a 3 year starter want anymore information

[@danieljohns6084]

If you ain't got Mahomes you ain't winning so honestly there is 31 other qb's that suck. And your teams qb fits in those 31

[@jjamesjames2907]

You definitely must have not been a fan of Favre 😂😂. 30 years of two greats only 2 rings to show for it. What that tells me it ain't the QB much lesser QBs won Superbowls in that time frame. Hell Eli got two 😮

[@cartifan911]

Peter why are you so obsessed with these advanced metrics like epa/play, dvoa, dyar ? Like we watch the game, and the eye test shows that Jordan Love is inaccurate, a poor decision maker, mediocre at reading the field, and not able to make plays from outside the pocket. 55 million for that ? It’s genuinely the worst contracts in the nfl besides Cousins and Watson.

[@haerfgvbag7050]

The cope is crazy here

[@toddfairbourne4438]

Love is soft both mentally and physically.And he's not a gamer.I know that's an intangible term but he's not a winner.I could name 10 cubies.I'd take ahead of him right now

[@dougpearson9602]

D line coach. Who cares.

[@dougpearson9602]

The mental and feel to beat NFL defenses

[@christianjerome7353]

As a Packers fan, I'm still standing with Jordan Love as our franchise quarterback. He's only been a starter for two years, with a phenomenal turnaround last year when we were supposed to be in a rebuild - we're competitive, let the players develop. Yes there's been some simple, bone-head mistakes that need to be corrected, but it's still early. We have a good team, we've made the playoffs both years of Love - let's stop crying.

[@AnthonyWilliams840]

Please do an episode on potential WR targets in the off-season. I’m convinced the Packers need to trade for DK Metcalf.

[@chalesgolding5314]

No Metcalf ! He’s poison…

[@tomortiz6780]

I can't wait till love proves all the naysayers wrong. Year 3 is the year

[@SunShine-xc6dh]

Starting to sound like a bears fan... next year our mid qb magically won't be mid

[@PackerSuperFan]

20th per PFF is compelling

[@markpintor1586]

For the record i was one of few that was happy and on board with the Packers drafting him in 2020. It just seem like something was off with him this year was injury Love said it wasn't. I will still back hopefully he can get on 🔥 in year three. GO PACK GO!!!

[@Haduj56]

Packer fans are spoiled and not humble that’s the problem, you’re expecting all time greatness from a 3rd year starting QB, I wish all of these fans that don’t like Love would just go bandwagon another team and let the real packer dans enjoy our growing young team and QB. Too much crying bruh

[@IsaacMSingleton1]

Are the real Packers fans the one who ran an actual all time great QB out of town cause they were so spoiled they blamed him for the organizations failures? Now you want everyone else to be nice to Jordan love cause his job is hard and it's not fair that he has expectations, even tho he held out for the highest contract in NFL history after half a season. I personally think the locker room is done with love, they don't want a QB who is above the team and that's what love has become, holds out to get a huge deal, forced himself back when he was obviously hurt and cost them a divisional game cause his backup was playing well and getting a lot of recognition. You didn't notice the complete shift of energy when love came back to this team?

[@Haduj56]

@ horrible take, your personal opinion is dumb tbh, thinking love is the problem, as well as holding love to all time great expectations is just stupid

[@SunShine-xc6dh]

You guys should be delusional homers like me...

[@Utah57668]

Actually I thought it was a well thought out take myself...I would trade Love and that contract to the Raiders for Maxx Crosby in a minute and then start Malik Willis and see what we have. I highly doubt that the Raiders or any other team in the NFL would even trade a #1 pick for Love after his overall performance this past season.

[@Haduj56]

@@Utah57668 this is why you all aren’t in front offices of any organizations

[@dancooke7204]

People seem to remember the finished product. Jordan is not that yet. Neither was Brett ohovers. After 2 years, 2 first ballot hofers. Give it 5 years and we'll know about Jordan, but the start is at least on schedule. R E L A X.

[@stevedavajon2194]

Love is garbage. Stop making excuses for him. And stop with your stupid r e l a x comment. As stupid as the prima donna quarterback, who said it!

[@SunShine-xc6dh]

He's had 5 years...

[@markpintor1586]

He is a top 10 quarterback but that's not good enough. He needs to be top 3 quarterback. I don't know if he can. It was telling that Lafleur said in his press conference that Love has to be more vocal. In my opinion a winning quarterback has to have that competitive drive and be a vocal leader to win. I am not sure he is that.

[@RaymondBrean-z4d]

If this offense wants to get the most out of Jordan Love, they have to give him the right weapons. They can’t expect to go into next season with Christian Watson rehabbing and Romeo Doubs, Jayden Reed, and Dontayvion Wicks as the receiving core. Tucker Kraft is a great Tight End but they got to get a true legit #1 wide receiver. Go Pack Go 💚💚💛💛

[@PackerBacker911]

It's sad that we were being told that we had so many weapons at the beginning of the year. We can pretty much stick a fork in Watson and Doubs. Wicks isn't showing much promise either. Reed and Kraft are the only ones showing potential out of the plethora of weapons people thought we had at the beginning of the season.