[1252] This Bike Lock Fights Back... But Is It Legal? (SkunkLock)

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[@UncleRJ]

So this video where we see the "lawyer" in lockpickinglawyer plays a major role.

[@PCGeines]

AND we get the pick "that BosnianBill and I made" Perfect video!

[@stevenathanassopoulos7774]

The lawyer comes out in every episode. His analysis in every video is very much lawyer like

[@belrog4269]

It's been a long time coming too

[@bohba13]

@@stevenathanassopoulos7774 hell. Even the itemization of the videos for precise call backs to previous videos.

[@danielweston9188]

lawyerpickinglocks ?

[@GrandMoffJames]

“That’s all I have for you today” How dare you not take it outside and bust it

[@rembramlastname3631]

@Joe Mamania Man he earns thousands maby tens of thousands on view revenue each month.

[@mastershake156]

@@rembramlastname3631 what did Joe say?

[@gamingmoyai3950]

@@mastershake156 got em

[@jeffdredd1172]

@@mastershake156 My guess is something like "it costs money so why would you break it?"

[@ronshbl]

As he said it's extremely dangerous

[@electronic_rat]

The concept of getting the police called on you by the person who attempted to rob you for booby trapping the items they attempted to steal is so unbelievably funny to me

[@EakiTurtle]

same

[@StupidBoyScouts]

I think the issue is there are scenarios where someone could be lawfully removing your bike lock. Go read about spring guns and torts.

[@majorphysics3669]

Yea, like if you have a shotgun trap at a house and then it catches on fire, you're definitely accidentally killing a firefighter

[@mikevignola4213]

Yeah there are laws in the US that prevent setting traps that use lethal or maiming force. The idea is that you're not protecting the lives of the occupants if it's rigged somehow. You can defend yourself with lethal force against an intruder, but not when you have no idea what it's firing at. So that anti-theft system from robocop 2 that immolates a car jacker....totally illegal (not sure why anyone would want to smell burning flesh anyway) The big question is what chemical is being used and what it can do to the human body.

[@nobodyreally9799]

Don't suppose they're using mustard gas?

[@jakeyoneda2056]

"The lawyer half of his brain." He's only had to use half of his brain to defeat every lock known to man.

[@arniet1]

😂

[@s70driver2005]

Hahahaha

[@musicmonkay]

“Disc detainer core”... wait for it... wait for it... “the pick that Bosnian Bill and I made” YEAH BABYYYYY!!!!!

[@JediKnyghte]

I’m happy that I can now recognize disc detainer keys.

[@SylvEdu]

Everyone: "He said it! He said it! He said the thing!"

[@Jerbear1022]

Crowd goes wild!

[@deepakmenon7733]

I will turn it *clockwise*

[@jackder1]

Lmfao

[@grahamjones2759]

The LPL needs to cut through this in his workshop. Whilst wearing appropriate PPE so we can see what happens when the shackle is cut.

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

YES!

[@JasonW.]

Maybe, but do it outside, in a bunny suit.

[@randombiker4610]

I am waiting for that also.

[@zacharyboivin3925]

That was my first thought too. Lets do it

[@fredsilva8076]

If bigclivedotcom can blow up Transformers and other electrical devices, then you should do this

[@mattz1230]

Spends half the video flexing his Lawyer muscles, the other half flexing his Lock-Pick muscles. Uses the fan favorite pick. Picks lock under 1 minute. Asks for comments, wishes us a nice day and thanks us. All under 4 minutes. This was, truly, a complete LockPickingLawyer video.

[@LexYeen]

I'm honored to have given you your 69th thumbs-up.

[@pvic6959]

this is the only video i can remember him going full lawyer lol. I wish we got more lawyer from him. he sounds like hes as good as a lawyer as he is a lockpicker, which is to say very

[@jadefalcon001]

@@pvic6959 I'm picturing it now: Opening statement: "This is the lockpicking lawyer, and what I have for you today-" Opposing attorney: "If I may interrupt. If it please the court, we would like to withdraw from these proceedings."

[@DarkSearinoX2]

@@LexYeen LMAO

[@mattz1230]

@@romusz Not at all true. He often answers questions in the comments, and often posts videos of locks people have asked to see.

[@LordFokas]

I love how we're all under this Pavlovian effect as soon as he says "disc detainer core" knowing that "the pick that Bosnian Bill and I made" is coming.

[@th3element]

"OH boy a 3 min video, must be a good lock." -2 min spent talking about legality of the lock- "That makes more sense."

[@fcmerces]

And that's why it'd be a good lock. Illegal, but satisfying.

[@someguyO2W]

Used to think same when I saw 8min vids. Till I realize he guts some of them 🤣🤣🤣

[@Drkayb]

Gather 'round, kids. He's getting the tool that Bosnian Bill and he made.

[@tyrant-den884]

That thing was so cool.

[@dreddfan01]

Im old enough to remember the good old days before he had it.

[@buckwheatz666]

Its the real one. Not the sparrows copy

[@hernandezmartinezivan2153]

JAJAJJA

[@hernandezmartinezivan2153]

@@dreddfan01 how long ago?

[@Prosauropodslovecake]

I can also see trouble when someone locks this in a place where they're not supposed to, and a parking enforcer/ maintenance person cuts it in order to move it and gets hurt.

[@Rebar77_real]

I wonder if blue bank dye(or black light ink/poweder) could be used instead. Less chance of actual harm at least.

[@54MUR411337]

That's a beautiful idea. People need to do that! Fuck parking enforcement.

[@201bob]

@@54MUR411337 "fuck laws" If you dont like laws, Go live somewhere without them. Stop whining.

[@fakename287]

@@54MUR411337 don't park in a place where you're not supposed to park, 3rd worlder :^)

[@BR-dy1ie]

201bob bob201 To be fair a lot of laws are awful to start with and help no one. I’m not saying we go full anarchy here but we could absolutely trim some of the near labyrinthian legislative web that we have.

[@josephwodarczyk977]

I'm sure it's not too big of an issue, but I would be so scared of this thing being punctured unintentionally and spraying me if I used it. Or leave it in the garage, forget, and 8 years later it gets rusty and start leaking.

[@EskChan19]

Or heating up in the summer sun, (gas + heat = usually a bad idea)

[@atashgallagher5139]

It's like half an inch of steel on all sides, you're pretty safe.

[@mafia_boss_neto]

@@atashgallagher5139 If even Heavy Tanks with 180mm of armor went down in WW2, I ain't trusting half an inch of titanium mate lol.

[@JWP51015]

If it broke, would it harm pedestrians as well?

[@anomaly3215]

​@@mafia_boss_netodo research on what actually broke the tanks 🤣🤣🤣

[@PickedItMate]

"Vomit on 1, little sick on 2..."

[@stuckgrenadepin.225]

I’m glad I read this one during the day. Definitely would wake up the wife otherwise.

[@nPcDrone]

Haha you watch him a lot

[@Guitaristry83087]

That is hilarious

[@casperd2100]

Reminds me of Zack from JerryRigEverything's "Scratches at level 6 with deeper grooves at a level 7"

[@thebestfreakingamer4316]

@@casperd2100 durability tests?

[@Skatelifefool]

Thief: cuts bike lock Bike lock: explodes Thief: I'm calling the cops

[@alexburnette2526]

but he would get arrested as well Edit: This was a joke.

[@remixislandmusic510]

@@alexburnette2526 woosh

[@gorak9000]

In -Soviet Russia- hypercapitalist America, thief sues YOU

[@sumdud2129]

"hello 911 operator how can I help you?" " hi I was trying to steal this guy's bike and then it sprayed a noxious gas on my face can you arrest the guy who formerly owned this bike?"

[@NavyMonk89]

Thieves have won lawsuits before so I wouldn't be too surprised.

[@tbwkn]

I just realized that the lawyer part of your name means that you are a actual lawyer. I thought it was some kind of lock picking title, like royalty.

[@harrymack3565]

Yeah same, I had no idea lol

[@alexsis1778]

Nope. He's an actual cigar smoking, whiskey drinking, gun loving, lock picking lawyer. Coolest uncle ever. Daughter's boyfriend's worst nightmare.

[@tbwkn]

@@alexsis1778 it seems like he would be the uncle your mom/dad yells at for teaching you questionable things

[@Joshua-no3vh]

Sameeeee

[@Maninawig]

Would love to hear someone confirm with the type of lawyer he is and the state he practices in

[@narutomeansspiral]

Question: the lock clearly states that it sprays noxious chemicals. does this change the legality as the potential thief had warning and therefore isn’t really a booby trap?

[@TheSquishy]

This is exactly my line of thinking. It's not a trap when the object clearly states - with a standardized warning icon - that it is pressurized and cutting it will cause an explosion. The same label and icon is on a can of spray paint, and that's not illegal

[@-Teague-]

Yeah, I'd say thats the equivalent of throwing a match at a box clearly labelled "dynamite." Even if the dynamite may have been intended to cause someone harm, it's the person who threw the match at it's fault they got blown up, not necessarily whoever put it there.

[@TheBackwardsSong]

@@TheSquishy I mean...LPL is a literal lawyer and says this is a grey area, but okay take legal advice from TheSquishy on youtube. (Sans sarcasm: your spray paint can example isn't being used as a boobtrap. The issue is that it's illegal to boobytrap unattended things in many jurisdictions, which is why this could be a problem. So if you took that can of spray paint, and rigged it to explode of an intruder opened your door, you're committing a crime)

[@vincentmarcellino7183]

I'd say if it's got a warning on it, then you should be legally okay. Just like if your dog bites someone in your yard and you have a beware of dog sign. There's a warning so nobody should be able to sue

[@-Hold_this]

@@vincentmarcellino7183 true

[@crowley357]

R&D guy: " Note to self: send pressurized core prototype to LPL."

[@Jeff-ej9mb]

And ask him to pick and disassemble the core? Lol

[@leiolevan9527]

A few Amps may be enough :P (don't forget your gloves)

[@outseeker]

that would be funny! if it could detect rotation and tell between key rotation of all correctly vs. picking, then spray the picker in the face through the keyway! :D

[@algorithmicalychallenged.291]

Cool

[@immortal_lefty]

@@leiolevan9527 why stop with a few? Lets weld the thief to the lock 💕

[@philipgoh7124]

The legality of this lock should be explained by his brother, the “lawyering lock picker”

[@GoogleUser-yj1wy]

😂😂😂

[@AndrewJ9673]

Does he specialize in bird law?

[@NateTheScot]

Why? He's a lawyer himself.

[@punga6102]

He makes videos about laws but its a locksmith

[@juancastillo5078]

Well played. Well played.

[@benz6967]

LPL: "Using booby traps to guard unattended property is illegal in most jurisdictions." Mark Rober: quivers in glitter bomb

[@blazwinkler108]

Well his glitter bomb package does not really serve as booby trap to guard unattended property as it does not try to hurt you in any way... I believe he even printed exactly what it does on the cover but nobody read that before opening!

[@satoau1]

only traps intending to cause harm are illegal. if all traps were then those clothing store ink things would be illegal too.

[@Shmuel420]

@@satoau1 well the clothing store “ink things” are meant to stain and ruin the clothes, not the thief lol. But to that note, the ink in moneybags from banks does stain your skin, I do believe. Unless the movies lied to me!

[@duatia5315]

@Fugp Basis he doesn’t use payed actors, if he did he would have recovered all his ‘packages’.

[@littlejackalo5326]

@Fugp Basis Derp.

[@FortWhenTeaThyme]

The cost of consulting a lawyer is probably higher than the cost of the bike.

[@Kinchi64]

You have not seen the price of some high end bikes, have you?

[@nebe0719]

@@Kinchi64 especially ebikes

[@mattgillespie7649]

You are extremely mistaken

[@Cyanidedan]

Heavily modified mountain bikes yea

[@-Hold_this]

Bot

[@TommyT777]

So this is probably his first video that is actually fully relevant to his skill set.

[@WaynesStrangeBrain]

Gun locks

[@TommyT777]

@@WaynesStrangeBrain haha ya. I was more so commenting on the title I guess. Usually the focus of his videos seems to be on the integrity of the lock and not so much the legality of what’s being demonstrated or presented. I’m sure he has talked about legal issues before.

[@Binchaloo]

Lock picking AND lawyering? He would never!!!!

[@fenf777]

Plot twist: Tom Trorttier watch all LPL videos

[@TommyT777]

@@fenf777 ain’t nobody got time for that!

[@derekbowbrick6233]

The tool that Bosnian Bill, and I made. That term picks at my heart.

[@crowley357]

Seems you have a DD heart. That's awesome.

[@mattiasthorslund6467]

I love seeing this tool but if I'm looking for a decent bike lock is be more interested in how resistant the lock is to methods that a thief is likely to use.

[@Ektalon]

“Valve #1 is set, valve #2 has some counter-rotation . . .”

[@winterstelling7837]

You have a disk detainer core in your heart?

[@hmspain52]

"The tool that Bosnian Bill and I made" T-shirt!

[@jakk222]

“Your Honor that lock hurt me!” “How did it hurt you?” “Well I was trying to steal his bike and...”

[@jim.h]

"I'm ruling in favor of the Plaintiff. I'm ordering the Defendant, the bike owner, to pay you $258,482.91 for pain, suffering, and loss of work."

[@photoboyjet]

@Jack Booby traps set to protect property are illegal in most states. There was a case in Virginia where a man set a shotgun trap to stop thieves who had been breaking into his barn and stealing antiques that were stored there. A thief breaking into the barn tripped the shotgun and was so severely wounded that his leg had to be amputated. The thief sued. The guy who set the trap had to sell his farm to pay the thief for damages.

[@ndi4926]

a) Lock the bike to a pole b) Owner comes, turns out it's an emergency c) Call emergency services, lock has to go d) Lock explodes, injures emergency worker, he's out of commission, takes too long, whoever had to be driven to the hospital doesn't make it. e) You come back. Turns out, little mistake on your part, you didn't see the sign saying "no not block exit". You are now up to you goddamn neck in trouble. And if you think "that'd never happen" consider this: how many car alarms you heard/saw that were actually being stolen. Unless you live in [insert bad place here] you are more likely to cut it in an emergency or because you lost your key than it is to be cut by an angle grinding thief without any questions

[@mikemcklieve]

@@photoboyjet u missed "unattended property" that have their own legal definition

[@Artrysa]

One crime does not negate the other though. Should the lock be deemed crime then both parties will be punished.

[@aetherblackbolt1301]

I can just imagine a trouble maker buying 1 of these and locking it on something he doesn't own, so that the owner has to deal with this or hire a professional. The risk of harm there is concerning.

[@zabuki1740]

That's a good point

[@sneedchuck5477]

Just like there's random shotgun boobytraps everywhere because you can assemble them with 5 dollars worth of materials, right?

[@Kingdeathtrooper]

Their FAQ's ay that they allow for officers to get a key mailed to them.

[@TheGrinningViking]

They allow public keys out? I'd have to see if I could replace the lock core safely before I considered buying one.

[@mafia_boss_neto]

@yefartz108 You overestimate the thinking capability of bullies and deliquents. Those guys will go as far as spending money if it means they can laugh at someone. I imagine they would lock it in someone's backpack, too.

[@davidisonyt]

Knowing my luck i would crash my bike and have this burst in my face

[@TurningGuns]

😂

[@TrickiVicBB71]

Same

[@ronniewilliz153]

Right lol

[@diablorojo3887]

this is a good question, what if this thing hurts the owner ?

[@Niskirin]

@@diablorojo3887 Then the owner can obviously sue himself for damages.

[@tedc8021]

I don’t know how to pick locks, I’m not interested in picking locks, but I’ve been consistently watching this channel for over a year. I don’t know why this channel is so entertaining to me.

[@Kekatronic]

well you're interested in keeping your things safe and what cant keep things safe right?

[@MrTrombonebandgeek]

at least for me, its cuz LPL is an interesting and charismatic presenter

[@damonhtoo]

This channel made me get a set of picks and a practice lock a couple years ago. Turns out the padlock I picked to practice on is actually quite hard. I still don't know how to pick locks.

[@selfhealing1047]

99% of these subs are like you

[@zanderbygott3641]

Since it’s clearly marked “do not puncture” should that not classify it as not being a trap? Otherwise would a tank of propane not be a similar trap

[@technologyondemand4538]

bump

[@Xandros999]

That sounds entirely reasonable. By a similar standard is a car a trap should I remove its wheels and it falls on my foot?

[@ThexDynastxQueen]

Which law supercedes the label I think would be the argument at least for attempted theft. There's also the fact that the bike could be in an area local or federal Gov't officials need to be cleared like firefighters or is off limits so cutting the lock as many legally do would probably result in a lawsuit or even a claim of it being an attack. Lots of variables here.

[@garethh2240]

Otherwise, what's the point of printing "may contain nuts" on bags of nuts.

[@theInsaneRodent]

It depends on the standards of liability that end up applying. It was a while back, but in my engineering courses we went over legal liability and engineering ethics. If you get held to strict liability (being responsible for any way that customers use your products), a warning label is not sufficient to say that it is not your fault. Recently very few companies have been held to strict liability (see: Tesla autopilot crashes), but it may come back in style for the courts to use that standard. It used to get applied when people were using lawnmowers wrong and being seriously injured. A company could get in trouble if their product was conducive to being used in a dangerous manner, even if they had a warning not to use it that way.

[@spectralwiitch7544]

Alright, this video is old but I have some things to point out. Now, a booby trap is most commonly defined as, "A camouflaged or concealed device designed to cause bodily injury when triggered by any unsuspecting persons making contact with the device." A few things right off the bat: One (1), this lock comes with a clear warning label explaining the contents of the shackle, what they do, what they are capable of, instructions on how to safely remove if required by an official, and to not remove the label (LPL appears to have removed it for reasons unknown). Two (2), the release of the chemicals is not triggered by anyone coming into contact. The shackle wall is 24mm thick, and made of a sturdy metal. It is highly improbable that it will be punctured by accident, even in any sort of crash. Three (3), on the aforementioned label, remember I mentioned it had instructions on removal by an official? It clearly states that if the removal of the lock is required (for reason such as abandonment), to call a locksmith to come pick the lock, contact the company to obtain a spare key, or contact the owner to come remove it. Now, what about bystanders? Well, the nature of the chemicals is that while they may be unpleasant to passersby, it will only induce vomiting to those in a close range. What about the pressurization? While they are under sufficient pressure, seeing as the most probable method to puncture the wall of the shackle is with an angle grinder, I highly doubt that the perpetrator's face will be close enough to cause injury. It's common sense (not to mention basic safety) to not put your face up close to any sort of power tool, and if they are close enough to sustain injury, then they were not following proper safety for the tool that they were using anyways. If for whatever reason you were taken to court over this, it would be civil court - not criminal - but I very much doubt that the perpetrator would win the case seeing as it is very clearly stated on the warning label that, "Hey, bad things will happen to you if you try to cut this lock." If anyone such as a janitor or firefighter is made to vomit by this lock, it would also be against the label, which clearly says how to safely remove it. Also if someone attempting to steal your bike did take you to civil court, you would then have a counterclaim because there would be either an admission of trying to steal the bike, or at least it would be very suspicious on how they just ~happened~ to release the chemicals from a 24mm-thick-walled metal tube that can only be punctured through extraneous effort or use of a power tool.

[@EskChan19]

Heavily depends on the juristiction. In many states, the definition is a lot broader, concealment is not necesarrily a factor, nor is the way to trigger it. In many states or countries, a trap is anything designed to harm someone who triggers it. However that may be. Boobytraps are also a felony. Also no there wouldn't need to be a counterclaim. One crime does not make another crime ok. It's likely the thief would also get in trouble yes, but that wouldn't clear you from having commited a pretty severe felony.

[@polocatfan]

so he's misrepresenting it by removing the label, likely to push an agenda? yikes.

[@asdfghyter]

another relevant question is that if you lock your bike to a place where it’s not allowed or bike-racks which will need to be temporarily cleared for an event, then the locks will be removed by government employees rather than thieves. does this change your liability status? it certainly changes the morality of it at least, since the poor employee is completely undeserving of the skunk spray! edit: sorry i saw that you mentioned the situation of an official needing to remove it. i guess the remaining question there is who’s liable if they don’t see the warning label

[@cosmiclounge]

Ex turpi causa non oritur actio.

[@kerravon4159]

It might not be legal, but it would most certainly be hilarious.

[@fmclueless788]

I seen a video where someone had their bike tied up with a rope chain and they didn't see it and right as they got to the bottom of the hill the slack tightened and he face planted off the bike lol.

[@harrisonjohnson48]

@@fmclueless788 just watched that video haha

[@wreckingopossum]

@@fmclueless788 LINK! LINK! LINK!

[@DarkFlameVee]

@@fmclueless788 Now, that is what we call illegal, the bike owner had all intention to hurt whoever try to steal the bike

[@markfox1545]

@@DarkFlameVee no one is forcing anyone to steal.

[@UncleWermus]

"Thieves deserve what they get" A brilliantly backhanded compliment and critique of the security industry ;)

[@GroovingPict]

I dont think it was intended as such

[@juliuskwak1263]

He means it in the ironic sense. If a thief can break through a lock's intended purpose, then they deserve whatever "reward" that awaits them.

[@SuperAWaC]

@@juliuskwak1263 The only thing subhumans deserve is to be put down like the animals they are.

[@notahotshot]

@@SuperAWaC, the definition of what qualifies as a human, or sub-human, has changed throughout history for the sole purpose of justifying abuse of selected segments of the population. I don't think we'll be allowing you to set the definition today.

[@NoumenalSoup]

@@notahotshot Thieves are sub-sub-human, so I agree. Shoot on sight like rabid dogs.

[@MorningMeasure]

lmao the skunk lock website now includes a "Is it legal?" section

[@farhanatashiga3721]

Looks like we found another company that cares

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

I just read it. Interesting analysis. I'm not convinced though. I'd want to see their sources and the memo from their lawyer. Their bare conclusions don't really make me comfortable with the concept, as a lawyer.

[@jaym7494]

It’s not legal to steal bikes either, but the paperwork makes police disinterested in enforcement. I’d suggest the same paperwork deterrent would stop a thief from being taken seriously about a lock that fought back during a theft. Let’s not let perfection be the enemy of good. I say let’s use the skunk lock and other active defence locks and put thieves out of business until police up their game.

[@pailhorsegaming6762]

@@jaym7494 Don’t forget, with gasses it doesn’t just hit the thief. It also hits little old Betsy Williams who just happened to walk past. Or, if the bike is locked up in a place it shouldn’t be and it’s being legally removed. Of course, if it was just going to harm a thief, I’d agree with you.

[@jaym7494]

​@@pailhorsegaming6762 That's fine, but you're no longer on the project management team. The status quo of bike thefts is unacceptable, so to argue for it, or against progress, is just annoying. Rather than thinking up lame "slippery slope" arguments against ideas, why don't you try on a new hat and apply the same energy to thinking of arguments for MORE justice instead of less? Allow me: - Betsy Williams is walking past. The thief is crouched at the lock. So the range of the lock only needs to be under 6 feet to be effective. She's 3-4 times further away. If the thief suffers no permanent damage, then she's fine in all scenarios. - If I'm wrong about that, then the specific mixture, pressure and quantities can be adjusted, to evaporate within the proximity of the thief and not passersby. And finally, in your scenario, how fucking likely, even with perfect wind, for Betsy to get a dosage any stronger than smelling marijuana? The key word there is LIKELY. Remember, car crashes occur frequently and we don't ban cars. Police make mistakes in the name of Justice all the time and medicine makes mistakes in the name of health. They are still awesome pursuits and we keep trying. We don't just think of excuses to give up.

[@wesley4125]

What a world we love in that you have to worry about the safety of someone trying to steal from you

[@rik8508]

I believe it has a warning on it concerning the gas stored inside. Due to that I would not consider this a boobytrap. Just like an electric fence with a warning on it is not a boobytrap.

[@tippa7328]

That's a really good point.

[@connorleferink8456]

Yeah, but you don’t connect your electric fence to public things or in public places. So if you used this lock on your property, your point may be valid.

[@Kalopsia666]

@@connorleferink8456 but the lock would be on your bike, which IS your property.

[@aahillakhani399]

@@connorleferink8456 Your bike IS your property, and you aren't generally allowed to secure a lock on public property unless you're securing your property

[@bryanhersman4037]

So I could put out land mines as long as there was a sign? Maybe tripwire shotgun shells? It's not the marking it's if it is a "trap" a fence is not a trap, even electrified (although sign or no sign a kid walks up and hurts himself prepared to get sued on that one too). These laws weren't passed to protect criminals, they were to protect innocent people who may accidentally trigger them and get injured. The laws apply to everyone though so they also end up protecting criminals.

[@5hrimbo]

Really love the idea of someone asking their lawyer what his hobby is and he's just like "oh lockpicking!!"

[@spiderpiggydog9734]

Extra money on the side

[@Wyzai]

It might make it easier to get along with clients.

[@NicholasLittlejohn]

It's a bit similar

[@Master0fHyrule]

I think people would be more intrigued to break it because of curiosity.

[@coolman9020]

hi you have a checkmark 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

[@Atelierwanwan]

I think that would the case. I mean you can easily buy horrible smelling stuff and people just love to play with it. A couple of friends see that and it probably wouldn't take long before they're making one of them experience it just for fun.

[@netherwolf3012]

Knowing the human species, someone WILL break one of these just to smell it.

[@cadennorth8539]

Hi

[@MrTrombonebandgeek]

i definetly remember when people were lick switch cartridges because of the bitterant

[@FinalManaTrigger]

There is a clear warning on the device, similar to the ink filled security tags at stores. I'd argue that they had plenty of warning if they set this thing off.

[@lifewhydoyoumockme]

"it's a disk detainer core" HE'S GOING TO SAY IT, HE'S GOING TO SAY IT!

[@dildojizzbaggins6969]

"We're going to need another Timmy!" oops, wrong show.

[@jamuraisack5503]

@@dildojizzbaggins6969 oooold school lol

[@rodinhoo]

*insert Leo DiCaprio meme*

[@ireneshelton3661]

“Then I’m going to get the pick that Bosnian Bill and I made” HE SAID IT FOLKS!

[@siriosstar4789]

"Your honor , my lock was standing its ground "

[@donovanulrich348]

👍🏻 My man

[@Damitsall]

Tell me about it, he's worried about a little skunk spray. If it was me I'd have a shotgun shell in there, and if they try to take my stuff, their loosing something.

[@siriosstar4789]

@@Damitsall Now you're talking . the reason this sht keeps happening is because the law is too lenient . These punks know they are going to get off and so just keep offending . for a lot of people their bike is their primary form of transportation , so the law should reflect that. i had a bike stolen many years ago and saw it for sale in a newspaper ( no computers in those days ) i called the guy and asked him if he could deliver the bike and i would pay him cash . he brought up to my second story apartment . i took the bike and then threw his ass down a flight of stairs .

[@aravindpallippara1577]

@@siriosstar4789 what happens when we apply the logic to every other acts of aggression? Should it be legally justified for me to slit someone's throat because they pushed me around aiming me to rough me up a bit - in full view of public. Should it be legally justified to cut off someone's legs for trespassing private property (when in the first place the trespasser may not realise it's someone else's property). Extreme measures are usually too extreme for everyone except psychopaths, when you think about it.

[@siriosstar4789]

@@aravindpallippara1577 mixing logic and assumption brews a cocktail of exaggerated fantasy . your post is a thief's wet dream . They know that the law for bicycle theft is too lenient , so there is zero motivation for them to stop . if bicyle theft was a class A felony , then a longer jail time MGHT deter them a bit . As to your attempt at insult via your tepid truculency ? 💤💤💤

[@willyolio9590]

LPL: "Click on two, a bit sticky on three, potential lawsuit on four."

[@dhawthorne1634]

Rather than a presurized chemical, I'd rather see some word of fouling material like Kevlar strands to bind up the grinder. I'd also like to see some conductors running through it. If any get cut, it breaks a circuit that sets off an LRAD type of deffense.

[@GJameso]

LRAD could be just as legally problematic as pressurized chemicals. Kevlar is probably safer, but IANAL.

[@allrad4911]

@@GJameso YOUANAL?

[@deva207]

@@allrad4911 ALLANAL 🤣

[@goldenpig6453]

@@GJameso 😳

[@matturner6890]

@@allrad4911 it stands for I Am Not Anal, Lol.

[@travish.3008]

Snake lock. The warning labels just say “funk around and find out”

[@melissaharway4547]

Lock rattles and hisses with the power of a thousand snakes

[@Alskaskan]

Uptown Funk you up I said Uptown Funk you up

[@corvidconfidential8826]

Rip snek

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

I like you.

[@dirtydan9785]

Bike thief: "Hah, this bike lock is hollow. This will be easy." SkunkLock: *"YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD"*

[@taylang6101]

Ugiouh

[@dannutabarros3055]

@@taylang6101 giouh

[@-Hold_this]

@GxDLY 007 The Necrophobic unfortunately

[@jsin22366322]

“Yes your honor! That’s the asshole that hurt me while I was stealing his/her bike”

[@justinknew1554]

honestly even if it is illigal, how would you bring it up in court like why are you breaking this guy's lock in the first place 😂

[@rutgerhoutdijk3547]

"I didn't lock my bike, I have no idea what prankster put that lock there"

[@antonhelsgaun]

@@rutgerhoutdijk3547 not locking your bike is illegal where I live

[@rutgerhoutdijk3547]

@@antonhelsgaun that's weird, even if it's in front of your home?

[@CyberlightFG]

@@rutgerhoutdijk3547 Yes

[@jayaskme2942]

I also love the idea of this lock. But i have to wonder about it's longevity. I once had a can of mace explode in my face because the young lady's purse it was in was left in direct sunlight. (Several of us heard a slight hissing in class and followed it back to the purse. Soon as i went to hand it to her the can popped) Over time I'd worry about something similar with this being left wherever and degrading.

[@asdfghyter]

i’m assuming that the significantly thicker steel of this compared to a thin spray can will allow it to withstand significantly higher pressure. but the risk on the other hand is that when it finally explodes it will do so with a much higher force. so the question is what temperature is needed to raise the pressure enough to overcome the steel

[@dantecavallin8229]

Imagine locking your bike at a train station. The maintenance personnel comes to remove the bike after being left for two weeks unattended and gets hit with chemicals like this. Would be a lawsuit waiting to happen. Also I wish you would break the lock to see what it would look like.

[@MrVolodus]

Warning is there ...

[@brazenh2836]

I think a simple solution would be to cut the base in 3 parts, releasing the bike but not the gas...

[@dantecavallin8229]

@@MrVolodus i dont think a maintenance worker would bother to look for warning labels for a lock. Its not like its a common occurrence that locks have poisonous chemicals inside

[@theluckyscav3487]

I mean yeah, but then the owner would be in the wrong. That's a completely different situation.

[@ROBMCKISSOCK]

I wonder how much money somebody would get from being sprayed by a bike lock full of FART SPRAY ! I wonder if I could counter sue the maintenance worker for being a wusssss or at least sue for damages of my bike lock and pain and suffering?

[@V00D00M0NKY]

LPL: says "Disc Detainer Core" Every subscriber: "HE'S GONNA SAY IT!"

[@Wolvenworks]

we're all collectively creaming our pants here a little bit when he said THE WORD

[@lopypop]

what does he say?

[@DrunkenN000b]

Imagine if your chemical-filled lock was lock picked, now that would stink

[@jtsholtod.79]

*groan* take you stupid like and get outta here.

[@heidelbergaren5054]

See what you did there :-)

[@ashamansedai]

I guess it isn't worth a fart if you can just pick it

[@blarfroer8066]

Get out

[@grumpyguy2877]

🙄🙄🙄

[@swanofoceane]

Here's my thing: Imagine someone tried to steal your bike they get sprayed so they run away without retaliation. Have fun riding your skunk bike home. Bet that'll be a fun trip and subsequent tomato bath lol

[@dirremoire]

It's not really skunk venom, it's filled with pepper spray.

[@iepineapple]

It's concentrated capsaicin which is spicy and bitter and vomit inducing

[@lazurm]

Swanlia, I have a $7,000 bicycle. The spray on the Skunklock is designed to stick to skin and clothing, not to bicycles. But, even if it had to be cleaned off, I'd ALWAYS rather have my bicycle in my possession than have it stolen.

[@ObiwanNekody]

I think that this would be more acceptable if people didn't have a tendency to lock bikes to many things they shouldn't - handicap access and hose hookups come to mind.

[@gorak9000]

Then you just need the tool that LPL and Bosnian Bill made, problem solved (or angle grinder the lock itself, not the shackle)

[@poisonouslead85]

In that case I'd cut the whole bike and leave the lock in place.

[@ObiwanNekody]

Both of these solutions assume that the warning lable is noticed, which is iffy at best considering how often people notice signs. Cutting the bike frame - while a solution I thematically prefer - is likely to cause PR issues (as is seen when fire departments break car windows to access hydrants) Side note: I would also be concerned about how long the pressurized container is safe for use and how generally durable it is. How likely is it to break from rough handling when it gets a bit rusty?

[@DTux5249]

That's actually related to one of the reasons why booby traps are often illegal They are a threat to children, and more importantly emergency responders as much as they are a threat to thieves. Imagine a fireman cut into one of these not knowing what it was. Trying to save a life, and gets skunked, now possibly blinded, in pain, or about to vomit, while holding a saw

[@ObiwanNekody]

@@DTux5249 Never even considered children interaction. I would hope this one is fairly safe from kids in practice, although testing how dad's bike lock resisted dad's saw seems like something I may have done.

[@JTMusicbox]

It’s common for you to expose locks that stink. However, it’s refreshing to see you expose one that stinks both literally And figuratively.

[@tcpratt1660]

The only thing missing on this lock is "Professional Choice" in Hobo font (see LPL# 370)

[@AnoopVargheese]

To be fair, this lock doesn't stink figuratively. Despite the speed with which LPL opened the lock, this still seems like a lock that requires not just a specialized tool, but also a lot of skill to open.

[@JohnLafitte]

I know it wasn't technically "legal advice" but it's nice to see the lawyer part make an appearance. 😄

[@A._Person]

It's basically legal advice, but when a lawyer doesn't say that it's not, then they're legally responsible for representing you in court.

[@YourPalQWERTY]

^ this. Remember kids, friends don’t give friends legal advice.

[@timthorson52]

I was really hoping to see the effects of the trap. Obviously I would expect it to be done in some controlled way, but fun as well.

[@christopherg2347]

The Reason for prohibiting boobytraps to defend property is simple: *They also work on emergency services* If someone on a Medical, Fire or Police emergency has to move you locked up bike (or is called onto your booby trapped property) they could be affected as well as any thief. And that is before we consider the issue that this is: a) Only property b) The severity of the impact can not be adjusted, nor is someone there to call emergency services if the severity is excessive. The person might be allergic or astmathic at wich point it becomes a deadly danger. c) Your property being legally transfered (inlcuding you abandoning it) does not disable any traps.

[@user-vc4vs4gf1z]

Human life > than mere property. No matter how horrible the person or their criminal intentions. Defending your person is different as human life = human life thus using deadly force to protect yourself from harm is justified.

[@TrueRainsie]

@@user-vc4vs4gf1z On the other hand, if someone is intentionally breaking the law, how can they hope to still be protected by said law?

[@blindleader42]

@@TrueRainsie A court is the only place and time, "intentionally breaking the law" can be legally decided. So yes, a criminal in the act of committing a crime is still under protection of the law. Anything else is vigilantism.

[@Alex_Fahey]

@@user-vc4vs4gf1z That's an interesting claim. The only reason we consider, for example, chopping off someone's arm a crime is because it harms their person - which is their property - without their consent. It doesn't necessarily endanger their life and if done in a medical scenario may actually be the way to save their life. If we go to the logical conclusions of your "life over property" statement, a starving cannibal eating your leg to live is in fact in the right because his life is more important than your property. Even if we go to a less direct route like one that fits in the scope of this video, why can a thief steal the car/BIKE/horse/etc. that I use to go to work and thus feed my family? Don't I have a right to life - and thus my property - too? Don't my family?

[@Cautionary_Tale_Harris]

@@user-vc4vs4gf1z People must be taught that their life is worth far more than the property they are trying to steal.

[@jimmyhughes5392]

is it a booby trap when there's a warning label present or is it a deterrent? if the warning is permanent (painted on) i'd risk using it and argue my case... one could argue having a dog is a booby trap for burglars

[@nateirvision9266]

I had the same question. It also makes me wonder if a false label would be a good idea. In other words, create a version without any pressurized gas, but still have the warning as a deterrant...

[@beamdriver5]

Generally, yes. A booby trap with a sign is still a booby trap.

[@chickeyy1792]

@@beamdriver5 But then again, it serves as a disclaimer and any further action against it is knowingly taking the responsibility of potential harm.

[@mungtor]

the fact that you can ask that question means that it's probably not worth finding out. how much time, hassle, and legal fees do you want to go through to protect a $500 bike? "your honor, due to this incident my client now has a severe stress disorder where they cannot even leave the house for fear of seeing a bicycle and the mental anguish that it causes to the point he requires full time care as well as ongoing psychiatric treatment. we're seeking $10M in damages."

[@chickeyy1792]

@@mungtor I don't think a thief can afford a lawyer (let alone that good) if they're going after $500 bikes for a living 🤷‍♂️

[@mattadulting]

LPL basically used the words a "I may be a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer". A friend of mine says that a lot.

[@andrewdreasler428]

And there's a reason they say that. If a Lawyer gives legal advice to a person, that creates a Duty between the Lawyer and the Advised. If the Advised takes the info he got from the Lawyer and does something stupid because of it, then the Lawyer legally shares the responsibility for the stupid act, to what level tends to vary from state to state, and the mitigating circumstances, but it's never a good thing for the lawyer. There's also a potential for that Duty to exist if a non-lawyer gives legal advice, which is why you see a lot of educated people prefixing their opinions on something with I Am Not A Lawyer (IANAL). By the way, I Am Not A Lawyer, I am just a layperson repeating partial information I've gleaned from hearing lawyers talk online.

[@bubbleman2002]

This reminds me of that old video where a guy sticks a stun gun into a bicycle seat and zaps would be bicycle thieves from a distance while he recorded them. There's also another video of a bicycle that was tied to a light post, and the thief either didn't care or didn't see it, pedaled down a hill, and then got launched onto the ground as the bicycle was yoinked out from under him.

[@DroneConflict]

I think it's worth mentioning that it's very likely Law Enforcement/campus security in many places would be victims when removing bikes that have been locked somewhere they shouldn't or for too long

[@AZUDAI96]

That's a plus tbh

[@tomx641]

Cops don't go around cutting locks off bikes. I've never seen a cop walking around with an angle grinder.

[@poisonouslead85]

There's a way around that. Those signs say "Will be removed at the owner's expense". They don't say a thing about the locks getting cut or the bike remaining in one piece. Just cut the bike and leave the lock in place. Malicious compliance is fun like that.

[@RossMitchellsProfile]

Honestly if I saw that warning and my job was getting rid of bikes in places they don't belong I'd probably cut the bike and leave the lock. (where I went to uni bikes parked where they shouldn't be usually ended up scrapped)

[@888SpinR]

I can imagine people going around with a few of these things for a dirty prank

[@RegrettableDeed]

I'd love to see a follow up with a safe demonstration of what happens when the shackle is damaged. Naturally, not one where LPL takes a face full of skunk gas. Haha

[@CaedmonOS]

(3) For the purposes of this subsection, the term “boobytrap” means any concealed or camouflaged device designed to cause bodily injury when triggered by any action of any unsuspecting person making contact with the device. Such term includes guns, ammunition, or explosive devices attached to trip wires or other triggering mechanisms, sharpened stakes, and lines or wires with hooks attached.

[@88michaelandersen]

This has a sign on it. Could it could as concealed or camouflaged if there is a sign detailing what will happed if tampered with?

[@johnjonjhonjonathanjohnson3559]

this isnt designed to cause bodily injury then

[@MegaTrain]

All 50 US States (and some local jurisdictions) are going to have slightly different versions of this definition, some more vague than others. I think “I wouldn’t be confident enough that this lock is legal to use” is a reasonable response to this lock.

[@Captain__Obvious]

You're quoting the specific definition of one narrow offence under a federal drug statute. But the issues can be more fundamental cf. Katko v. Briney: The law has always placed a higher value upon human safety than upon mere rights in property. There is no privilege to use any force calculated to cause death or serious bodily injury to repel the threat to [property].

[@bowlsallbroken]

Sometimes the legal term used is "infernal machine" or "infernal device". Feel free to gank either of those for a band name 🤘

[@derrickhead474]

I live in Bronx NY and just bought a Polarna ebike. I am going to use this lock. If a thief is "injured" committing a felony crime (bike cost more than $1,000) so be it. I will figure out the legality later in court.

[@thefutureismeaninglessthep7364]

How goes it?

[@MrAltairantares]

The chemist in me says "I feel sorry for an unlucky fireman in the event this got stuck in a garage fire". I'm 100% sure this would explode spectacularly and horribly in the event of a fire.

[@benotterbacher5808]

Firemen wear respirators, but still

[@BodenM]

@@benotterbacher5808 He's referring to the fact that pressurised vessels tend to explode violently and turn into shrapnel when exposed to fire.

[@jadefalcon001]

@@BodenM I'm not convinced it would, automatically, become dangerous. Depending on the failure mode it might rupture from the steel softening, but at that point the softened metal wouldn't crack and fragment so much as kinda moosh out of the way. This is entirely speculation on my part, of course.

[@g33dav3y]

I dunno, hardened steel can resist an awful lot of pressure.

[@Ferro_Giconi]

@@BodenM They probably have a safety pressure release built in, which can be as simple as a thiner spot of metal that will rupture if the pressure exceeds what it is expected to ever reach under worst case normal usage.

[@andymonks7126]

I hope we see you take an angle grinder to this so we can see what happens. With you obviously taking safety precautions.

[@ABrit-bt6ce]

Seconded. Destructive test please.

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

no amount of safety precautions will remove the smell... unless everything you use to shield the area is disposable.

[@KiLLJoYYouTube]

He won’t. He’s a coward. Happy to use his lockpicking 1,000 skill in a safe controlled environment but wouldn’t last a minute doing any of this under pressure. A video of him cutting the lock open and failing would make him look bad and he can’t have that.

[@andymonks7126]

@@KiLLJoYKZbin seeing there are videos of him shooting locks open and high voltage I think he’s up for a little angle grinder action. Just maybe outside.

[@kurtmoore90]

@@KiLLJoYKZbin It's almost as if you don't realise that if he filmed an attempt and failed, he could just, oh I don't know, not upload it. Whereas if he succeeds, he's got another video in the catalogue for views.

[@74jso]

That'd be a fun call to make when you've lost the key and need a "locksmith" to cut it off for you

[@qaysed453]

That's why LPL shows how to pick it instead!

[@agoristacregardens3787]

Sparrow's sells the tool for $45. Some people need to take responsibility for their own lives.

@@agoristacregardens3787 wow....took it straight to a self righteous level....good for you perfect human 🙄

[@Wiebejamin]

I get the idea of the spray, I just think it's way overboard into a potentially illegal area. If instead of 10 atmospheres it was only 2 or 3, to spread the chemics around instead of spray it out violently, and if instead of inducing vomit it just smelled really bad and made you want to leave, it'd probably still work and definitely not cause actual bodily harm.

[@notsogood4321]

Yea but then wouldn't your bike be covered in the chemical as well if it was at lower pressure ? Unless the chemical was made to only smell terrible for a short period or something

[@natalyst]

Great idea, just a bad smell to make you want to leave even quicker with your new bike

[@ferociousfeind8538]

@@natalyst the container is punctured long, long before na angle grinder has finished destroying the entirety of the lock

[@katalytically]

Aside from LPL's point of what happens when someone suddenly let's go of an angle grinder and the severe damage that can cause, there is the fact that 10 atmospheres released suddenly in a narrow jet could easily cut through flesh. So we now have someone who has gashed his arm, hand, face from an angle grinder then is essentially injected with god knows what chemical. As ridiculous, absurd, and insane as it sounds, you are likely to be sued and lose. Most people will see it as overkill, especially for property like a bike. But then the one thing LPL did not include when he said the grinder can cause harm if suddenly let go of, is that if it kicks back just right, it will kill if it hits the thief's neck. Ahh, now we are looking at manslaughter, you aren't going to skate on that. The concept feels so satisfying and can get you into so much trouble.... for a bike. Think the risk is worth it? Risk - Benefit analysis 1: one out of every 10,000 causes great bodily harm to the tune of $200,000+. Are you willing to lose everything you have to preserve your bike? Risk - Benefit 2: one out of every 500,00 causes death resulting in you losing 5 years of your life in prison, AND losing everything you have to the family suing you for wrongful death, your criminal defense lawyer, and your civil defense lawyer...... For a bike? Yes the odds are very low and most of us like to think it won't happen to them. But unfortunately it can and it does to many people in similar circumstances. I actually like a combination of the suggested lower pressure and, from another comment, the dye used in a dye pack.

[@Anriandor]

"Liquid karma" wow, now we even get legal advice, the actual Lawyer shining through :P

[@turbo2ltr]

Didn't you hear him, it's *not* legal advice.

[@tornadotaylor8956]

@@turbo2ltr but he is an actual lawyer

[@azwolf0429]

Definitely NOT legal advice

[@supmonkeyface]

Clearly stated, not legal advice. Goof.

[@ennou1236]

@@tornadotaylor8956 is NOT a legal advice, he EXPLICITLY said so, it doesn't matter if he's a lawyer or not.

[@frantisekvrana3902]

Is it a boobie trap, when it is clearly labeled with a “pressurised chemicals“ sign though?

[@Japaka]

That’s sorta what I’m thinking. If it’s clearly labeled, doesn’t cause actual harm it just makes you a bit sick, and the thief has to actually break it for it to work. If it is illegal, it shouldn’t be-or more specifically, only be illegal to put it in a place where you weren’t allowed to

[@WolfgangDoW]

They could argue didn't see, especially if dark? Also if it's illegal to do that, then labelling it won't change anything too

[@frantisekvrana3902]

@@WolfgangDoW If it was too dark to read, then they were working in insufficient light. And if they are using an angle grinder, as was suggested, they may as well use a flashlight as well. They are not stealthy anyway. And they should have enough light to clearly see what they are cutting, so that they do not accidentally damage the bike being locked. About the label, I am working with the definition of booby trap, which requires it to be hidden of disguised. As it is labeled in a way which can be easily discovered without triggering it, I would not consider it disguised either. If the local definition does not require it, then anything that can potentially harm someone is a booby trap. Including windows. If you break one and try to climb through, the shards may cut you.

[@fred_e]

Hair spray is now a booby trap.

[@RedBaronisa]

@@WolfgangDoW ignorance is not an excuse when it comes to the court room. The “i fiddled with it and didnt see the label” defense would never work. Just imagine if i were to spill liquid fire on my skin and claim to not have seen the 8 warning labels on the bottle. I would not receive shit

[@ZCyberFawkes]

Plot twist: It's not actually booby-trapped, it just claims to be as a deterrent.

[@cincinnatifunk]

😮

[@captainfunktastic2255]

That would be grounds for false advertising wouldn't it?

[@DanielLCarrier]

@@captainfunktastic2255 If they tell the buyer it's booby-trapped, yes. If they tell the thief, no.

[@MrTrombonebandgeek]

@@captainfunktastic2255 i’d say no mainly because its not hiding the fact that it presumably has pressurized toxic gas inside it

[@Cybersawz]

Cut into it and find out.

[@notdisclosed]

The number of bike thieves who will sue and thus incriminate themselves: Zero. We need more of this type of product.

[@PiepsiPanic]

Oh, a disc detainer lock ... Everybody: "Say it, say it! PLEASE SAY IT!!" Said. "YESSSS!!!"

[@TurningGuns]

Top comment 👍👍👍

[@johndeerdrew]

there was a video where he didnt say the words. i almost disliked. but you know i love lpl and we can forgive him that one time

[@AdityaMehendale]

"Turning it Clockwise" somehow does not get the love it deserves.

[@johndeerdrew]

@@AdityaMehendale naa there is no magic in that line.

[@coolman9020]

“Hello, this is Lockpicking Lawyer. I was put into a high security prison for nuking multiple major cities across the world. However, this high security prison cell door has an INEXCUSABLE design flaw. Here’s how I’m going to open it with the zipper I broke off of my jumpsuit.”

[@ohmygoshitscole]

Here’s the pick that Bosnian bill and I made which I traded for a pack of cigarettes

[@CyberlightFG]

I guess, there are no metal parts on inmate clothing

[@TinPrince]

@@CyberlightFG you sound fun

[@Kawa-oneechan]

@@CyberlightFG And that would stop him?

[@Spar10Leonidas]

Plot twist: The Lockpicking Lawyer actually broke _INTO_ the prison...

[@rdxdt]

On my country it is legal due to the fact of it having a warning, the same applies to electric fences, barbed wires or most of the traps or barriers designed to protect private property.

[@bobcranston3414]

What country is that?

[@PHCuber]

What’s your country?

[@Cautionary_Tale_Harris]

Sounds like England to me.

[@jon-h]

Sounds like any European country to me.

[@rdxdt]

Well i'm not saying which one, but it is an south american country.

[@waldo2565]

I had an idea a couple years ago along those same lines. It was a purse rigged with an exploding die pack. Just leave it on the front seat of an unlocked car and wait for it to be stolen. Once the robber got far enough away from the scene of the crime, he would open the purse and become an instant member of the Blue Man Group. I called the police PR guy and told him my idea. He said, "Don't even think about it." And that was that.

[@SaltWaterDrums]

"instant member of the Blue Man Group" gave me a good chuckle.

[@EskChan19]

ANYTHING where your train of thought is "Just leave it somewhere prominent and wait for someone unsuspecting to do something" is a trap.

[@jestawell]

An even larger issue is when this trap goes off, it is likely that the person removing the lock is doing so legally, for example an employee of the city removing an abandoned bike or a property owner.

[@rolandfischer931]

Then cut the bike. Simple.

[@jestawell]

@@rolandfischer931 if you cut the bike that would still leave the lock attached to whatever the bike was locked too

[@rolandfischer931]

@@jestawell then you just cut the bottom part once the bike is off.. a whole 5 minutes more with an angle grinder?

[@rolandfischer931]

@@jestawell bottom part of the lock* which also might simply work in the first place... If the explosive stinky stuff is only in the U part. If it's in the cylinder then you have a point, but that part isn't labeled or colored weird so it seems un-trapped.

[@jestawell]

@@rolandfischer931 sounds like It might work, no idea though never seen these locks myself

[@honeyxew469]

“They’ve got the spirit, but I’d rather not go to jail for somebody robbing ME”

[@bigboij3027]

Nice pfp

[@brianjames8600]

But is it really a “booby trap” when it has a blatant warning on the side of it?

[@omnipossum92]

That's what I'm thinking. It reminds me of using an electric fence for security purposes, which I believe are legal in many places, and aren't considered booby traps afaik.

[@jonc4403]

Putting a "shotgun trap inside" sign on a door doesn't make having a shotgun trap inside any less illegal. The legality of using this lock is definitely questionable.

[@omnipossum92]

@@jonc4403 Guns tend to be lethal. Compare it to an electric fence. Would you sue a land-owner if you got electrocuted while attempting to trespass? Electric fences are established though and this is a new product, so I can see that being an issue though.

[@enegron6987]

People aren’t perfect thinking human beings at the time when actually needed especially when you’re fatigued from fighting fires for the past 10 hrs even seemingly superheroes can have a bad day

[@thirstiestvillager9233]

Yes. Booby traps meant as deterrents usually have warnings anyway. Even in war.

[@micahh9351]

They have actually been working on the legal stuff, and it is legal to use in most states except a few

[@hydra66]

as someone who's had bikes stolen before, this lock doesn't seem aggressive enough

[@AidenC2718]

If only it was pressurized Sarin nerve gas...

[@preston6408]

Some stole your bike lock?

[@JamesF0790]

@@AidenC2718 Because nothing quite says reasonable like gassing many people.

[@TheGrooseIsLoose]

I thought that said, “as someone who’s stolen bikes before,” and I was like, “Wow, that’s bold to admit online.”

[@anonymousjohnn7969]

Pressurized something

[@Vader99ify]

"They don't make lock picking tools for this kind of lock" LPL: "Hold my beer!"

[@ROBMCKISSOCK]

then pulls out the gas mask

[@Raxyz_0]

"but we do live in a world with laws..." *laughs in brazilian*

[@AvatarIroh]

That’s a lot

[@Druzian]

Tristeza

[@tea-noodle]

Living in a city, I have to wonder how someone could ever possibly identify whoever owned the bike to sue them

[@Religion0]

They should be registered with an insurance company, or you can just wait around until the owner shows up, but that's true.

[@tea-noodle]

@@Religion0 bikes don't need to be registered with an insurance company in America

[@amythystmiriel]

Presumably one would need to seek medical attention for the effects of being hit by pressurized liquid that strong and/or would be caught because of it, leading to legal proceedings where the owner of the bike would be involved or at least named.

[@tea-noodle]

@@amythystmiriel Bikes don't have serial numbers or registration. The owner would basically have to come forward or be identified through a police investigation. Why would the owner come forward and identify themselves to subject themselves to liability greater than the value of the bike? And in a city where this is likely to be used, I think you're overestimating how much the police would care. If anything they'd probably just mark it as a statistic unless the guy dies. It would be such a low priority that by the time the guy got something moving there probably wouldn't be any way for him to find the owner

[@amythystmiriel]

@@tea-noodle My point was a police investigation would happen whether the thief was caught at the scene or when they sought medical attention. The bike owner would likely call the cops if they found their expensive bike lock cut off, if the police aren't there first. Gotta remember that someone using this lock isn't going to be thinking of the liability involved in using a booby trap to protect their property. They're going to want the thief arrested.

[@j.d.8593]

LPL: "Then i'm gonna get the pick that Bosnianbill and i made" Everyone: "He said the thing! He said the thing!" 🤣

[@tsukishiro70]

He said the Words of Power.

[@Derpsanddinks404]

I feel like because it straight up says, "Don't break this or you'll get sprayed with gross stuff, stupid" it should be legal. If you ignore warning signs, it's nobody's fault but your own.

[@Taolan8472]

That technicality would get you off in some jurisdictions, as a key feature of a "booby trap" in legal definitions can be concealment. Clear labels on the device act against concealment, but if it got that far it would be up to a judge to determine whether or not the label constituted sufficient warning. I would argue that its not much different than the use of explosive dye packs in cash bundles, or the stinky dye found in some school fire alarms, or other similar devices in use across state buildings and commercial properties.

[@TheP3NGU1N]

My thinking is.. as long as it's very clearly labeled as a possible 'injury' the criminal at that point has accepted the risk and 9/10 times a judge will side that way. Assuming the criminal was dumb enough to admit to trying to commit a crime in the first place, which is probably 99% what isn't going to happen. Now on the flip side.. if some unattended young child with a hacksaw willy nilly cuts into it and gets hurt or for some reason there is a fault in the design and a bystander gets hit.. then you likely are in some legal trouble.

[@lozzoe]

If it's very clearly labelled as a container of a potentially hazardous gas and to be handled with care, then it should be no problem, because at that point it's not a booby trap, it's a gaseous container that is the private property if one party, and the offending party ignored all warning signs, the fault lands on them.

[@deflepperdrocks12954]

@@lozzoe I agree 100%, if they wanted to remove any doubt though they could make the chemical (or at least the pressure) important to the function of the mechanism in some way

[@virgilthemob1242]

I don't think they'd be stealing bikes if they were smart enough to read...

[@RedHeadForester]

I feel bad for the scrap metal processors of the future who will have these going off in their vicinity.

[@Treddian]

Yes and no. I have a scrap metal processor in my neighborhood. He's a thief. A parasite. He gives them a bad name.

[@Ardjano234]

You don't put that fucker with the metal trash tho

[@louisvaught2495]

@@Ardjano234 bicycle equipment is bulk scrapped pretty frequently What's a lot more likely is someone from city maintenance coming by to cut a lost/abandoned bike off of a bike rack and getting injured.

[@621ELECTRONICS]

@TheMrarrie18 I’ve hauled a lot of scrap over the years. I seen a lot of old bikes tossed out / junked with the old lock stored around the frame or handle bar crossbar (bmx bikes with those bars). So this very well could end up in a local scrap yard shredder, eventually. People throw out bikes that have sat for years, eviction clean outs, people die and stuff often gets thrown away, so yeah, don’t count on it not ending up as scrap metal. Not every thing gets disposed of properly / safely, and some people simply do not know any better.

[@MomJeans2]

@@Treddian most of them are anymore. On the small scale it's a business where you constantly deal with the scum of the earth on a daily basis. Good people get out of that line of work or become cops and get paid better.

[@xpndblhero5170]

Lpl: "leaving booby traps on unattended belongings is illegal" Me: "Hahaha, who would be that stupid to leave a booby trap on their unattended belongings¿!" *he said while disarming a claymore mounted on the side of his bmx bike* 😅😅😅

[@cymond]

The landmark case was about a family farmhouse that wasn't lived in anymore, but still contained family heirlooms. People kept breaking and entering to steal the stuff. Eventually, they set up a shotgun tied to a doorknob. It did not turn out well.

[@josephdedrick9337]

Funny this is his first time ive seen him go full lawyer mode besides the "tsa legal" lock.

[@pbp6741]

Gotta believe there aren’t many people on the planet willing to pay a lawyer to discuss a bike lock.

[@dondee5439]

At the 1:53 mark, I think any lock that requires a special tool like this is a worthwhile lock.

[@johnrussell267]

It absolutely is.

[@Taolan8472]

Not really required. The special tool is just optimized.

[@347Jimmy]

Disc detainer locks always require special tools compared to a standard core, if I'm not mistaken

[@Taolan8472]

@@347Jimmy a drill is not particularly special.

[@347Jimmy]

@@Taolan8472 I was referring within non-destructive attacks You can use a drill on a standard lock core too, if you're not concerned with it working afterwards

[@justincase2281]

Ha ha!! I love this device. Puke away crooks!!! The lock is clearly marked SKUNKLOCK, so that should be a CLUE as to the nature of what crooks are dealing with. And as fast as word of mouth travels, bike thieves would know about this lock and cut it at their own risk. BUT, now that you've shown how easy it is to defeat this lock, it probably won't be on the market very long. And too bad for those who already use one.

[@1AmGroot]

This is pretty much the only video where the Lawyer part of LPL plays a major role.

[@unclewreckum4504]

Every time without fail, when i hear the name Lock Picking Lawyer i instantaneously thing about that back door video. Absolutely legend !

[@orngjce223]

All of this legal nonsense about noxious chemicals could have been avoided by just filling it with concentrated dye, like they do in cash bags

[@donovanb8247]

I dig this. Take my money 💴

[@BenMaguireLONEWOLF9989]

Blinding may also cause issues, especially considering the use of power tools. Dye packs are used for money because they generally won't put the thief at risk of serious injury.

[@mr.bonesIsOnline]

The ink also gets on their hands and clothing so the thief gets literally caught red handed

[@Tweedle-Stupid]

@Fugp Basis but but, it alerts cops to people who have potentially attempted to steal a bike

[@robertnett9793]

Or a nuclear warhead - no witnesses, no legal consequences...

[@Fragmonkei]

Is it considered a "trap" if it requires the destruction of the item in question? I compare this to a gas operated furnace. A thief could compromise the furnace in order to steal the gas being fed into it, but if it explodes on them, is the furnace classified as a "trap" in that case?

[@EskChan19]

That's a stupid comparision. A furnace has a intended use, and the explosion occurs through mishandlement. This bike lock was specifically build to cause harm to someone, yes it is upon destruction, but it was specifically build to do that. A furnace isn't MENT to explode, this lock is. And yes, it is still a trap. A trap is anything that is supposed to cause harm to someone upon a specific intended action. If you get a lock that attacks someone trying to steal it, it's easy to argue that you wanted someone to try to steal it. You didn't buy the safest option, you bought the option that hurts someone. On purpose

[@cheesestickforlife9814]

I mean, there is a clear warning on the lock that says cutting it will result in noxious chemicals being sprayed into your face. It's the same as walking into a yard with a "Beware of dog" sign on your own free will.

[@Kingdeathtrooper]

​@@EskChan19 "This bike lock was specifically build to cause harm to someone". No, it was built to lock a bike and house a smelly fluid. Not because "You wanted someone to steal it". Breaking it, like with the furnace, is misuse and is not an intended action. It is not "meant to explode" as it has no means of exploding at the purchaser's will.

[@SirCavas]

@@EskChan19The bike locks intended purpose is keeping the bike in place, and the explosion occurs through mishandlement there too

[@jansenart0]

Let's ask another question: what rational, right-minded, good-intentioned person with access to power tools would angle-grind open a can of pressurized aerosol?

[@Boss_Tanaka]

Emergency services

[@jansenart0]

@@Boss_Tanaka Well put.

[@brendanberry7403]

There is a warning they can read...

[@jansenart0]

@@Boss_Tanaka Still, if it's being used in a situation where Fire/EMS needs to cut through it, then i'm gonna say 9 times out of 10 the user is much more on the Saw side of the Saw - Bicyclist spectrum.

[@tehpwnzor1337]

@@jansenart0 9 times out 10, Fire/EMS would have a face shield on to protect themselves. Also there's clear warnings on the lock, so honestly they could drill a small hole to release the gases in the opposite direction. Once empty, cut and remove it.

[@bghoody5665]

"Anyone attempting to cut through this will be hit with a high pressure burst of liquid karma." You got a way with words, LPL.

[@Oddman1980]

And that's why people will sometimes refer to their lawyer as a "mouthpiece".

[@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb]

Percent of lawyers on KZbin using “this is not intended as legal advice” is probably the same as number of locks Lockpicking Lawyer is able to pick, ca. 100%

[@threeforthsstudios]

Remember. There is 1 lock he has been unable to pick. The Bowley Lock

[@Fish-bt4c]

@@threeforthsstudios w h a t

[@threeforthsstudios]

@@Fish-bt4c yup.

[@BEN-ys6gu]

The real question is can you put an even bigger warning of something like this on a normal lock?

[@marlkarx6339]

Aside from the risk of being sued by a would-be thief, there's also the danger of it accidentally discharging if there's a sharp impact or any kind of corrosion. Accidents happen, making things that are prone to being involved in them unnecessarily dangerous as a matter of security theatre is not a good idea. If you REALLY want to punish bike thieves, hide a prepaid cell phone in the frame (it can be missing parts) with a "find my phone" app and give their GPS coordinates to the authorities.

[@michaelreyes9997]

As common sense as that sounds, I don’t think it works that way

[@jmr]

Forget the gas itself. What about metal shavings spraying into their eye. EDIT: I guess none of you know the insult added to injury of being sued by a robber that scaled a fence and was bit by your dog. Why is everyone assuming the thief used an angle grinder?

[@melonlord1414]

Well, they operate an angle grinder, so if they use it according to the manual they have to wear some kind of eye protection. If they use it without the eye protection it's clearly on them that they used it without proper safety gear.

[@alexderpyracc4053]

They should have worn safety's goggles it even says when operating Powertools use safety goggles if thief ignores it it's their own fault 🤣

[@KinreeveNaku]

One could easily argue that that wouldn’t happen if the thief wasn’t attacking it with their angle grinder. It’s a result of their own tool completely to be injured by metal shavings, not any high pressure gas. Mind you that metal shavings are not the same as what would be metal shrapnel in this context

[@imshaunnurse]

@@KinreeveNaku it's not an explosive. It'll stink for that moment until the gas is gone. But smelling like ass might be worth the price of certain bikes to criminals

[@ronniewilliz153]

Don't steal the bike an you won't get stuff in ur face an eyes simple as that lol

[@chickensmack]

I know I'm not alone in finding nothing but comfort and happiness in hearing, "...the pick that bosnianbill and I made."

[@dawnnightinger3025]

The thing about this lock is it gives fair warning to those seeking to damage the lock. Regarding the shotgun trapped house is the firearm was set up to cause serious bodily harm to the intruder. With this particular lock, the chemicals used are simply applied to be a deterrent and to not cause any harm to the would-be thief.