Locomotion Models and Rails of Sheffield new product announcement

[@furripupau]

I'm American and even I'm looking forward to this. Hardwicke is one of the most beautiful locomotives. I've always been surprised that there aren't more models of pre-grouping locomotives available in the UK, since there are so many interesting prototypes.

[@tymaddux2644]

Hope you got the money to get it its preety expensive for what it is worth

[@MrScottmac99]

I'm not a OO modeller, nor am I a British outline modeller, but the production standards for this video are brilliant. Thank you. I've got a couple of the Bachmann On30 0-4-0 gas mechanicals, which are rubbish (and now off the market - no wonder). But I've just taken delivery of the Bachmann On30 Whitcombe bogie Diesel, and it is fabulous. So smooooooth at all speeds, crawls beautifully.

[@darwinsmonkeybutler2113]

These will look good with the Genesis coach rakes.

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@stevebarnes2]

@@dtaylor4552 No-one cares about love island, it's wothless trash tv.

[@stevebarnes2]

@@dtaylor4552 No

[@stevebarnes2]

@@dtaylor4552 Still no

[@stevebarnes2]

@@dtaylor4552 It's pathetic, awful TV for idiots. The model railway community is far better off without it's taint.

[@christopherstokes9393]

El Cheapo: "I... search for cheap trains, sometimes I review, iiiiit's Ellll Cheapo!!!!" Rails of Sheffield: "The price of the model is £220 and can be pre-ordered now with a deposit of £30." El Cheapo: *cries and moves along to the next model*

[@jameshardy4354]

I like the model but the price ouch 🤣🤣🤣🤣🙁 my wallet

[@ericholmes8665]

They look to be very accurate in paint and details 'Novelty'was one of only 4 to get full red LMS livery, 'Talavera' is in final 1931condition one of two to get ross pops, and 'Lucknow'looks to be in as built 5/1891 condition it never made it to the LMS being withdrawn 3/1919,but i have to agree they are very expensive,Just bought hornby Queen Maude,£156 and its superb I think Hornbys Best Yet,makes you think.

[@CookieCookGames]

Does it feature wheel bearings? Coz square holes don’t count

[@lukeslocomotives]

Only circular holes with metal bearings

[@Joshuagt34]

*angry Sam’s Trains noises*

[@garylewis1422]

That looks great, And tempting. Great work on the presentation video .👌🏻

[@christineallen7170]

Fantastic model...and a dramatic presentation.....

[@eliotreader8220]

so the NRM restored Hardwick back to working order back in the 1970S because she had replacement boiler during her long working life? i have read a lot about her history in the past but i knew that.

[@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp]

Nice background and excellent railway information!

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@itsjustbrisk709]

I grew up going to that place my whole life ❤️

[@10thstudio]

It is a fantastic model and I would have pre-ordered for the first time ever if it had been around £160 but £220 is far and above what I would spend

[@philnewstead5388]

Lazy Turtle Sadly I'm finding this with more and more Bachmann products, whilst I don't question the quality of the products I don't understand their pricing structure. To add some perspective I have within the last three months bought a brand new DCC fitted Hornby S15 for £129, admittedly the loco itself was on special offer but even if I'd paid full retail it would only have cost about £150.

[@10thstudio]

@@philnewstead5388 hornby are putting out new toolongs for £150 maximum, maybe a bit more for the hush hush but that model is considerably bigger than this and £60 cheaper... It beggars belief

[@johnangus9154]

Lets turn our attention to retailers for a moment when looking at pricing policy. A well known retailer in the south of England had a sale in August when they offered a Bachmann LNER steam Locomotive, RRP was 1 penny under £180 for 1 penny under £60. Know that's a hell of a mark up in my view, apart from supermarkets, no one sells at a loss. Makes you wonder how much discount retailers get from manufacturers. Oh!, and yes I bought this model, it would have been rude not to 😆.

[@philnewstead5388]

John Angus Dad had a 50% share in a model shop many years ago (1970 to about 1985) and the mark up then was usually 30% but the buying structure was different as the smaller model shops had to buy from a wholesaler who bought direct from the manufacturer and I seem to remember we were limited to the amount of discount we could give, the biggest model shop back then was Beatties. I take your point though when people lake Hattons and Rails can offer anything up to £25 off a new release, obviously they rely heavily on the volume of sales for their profit but back when dad had his shop offering a discount on a new release even by Beatties was unheard of.

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@daylightman8459]

Let’s hope this model is actually as good as it was advertised. The Rails terrier was a MESS!

[@rgmichel]

Beautiful model. Good job!

[@1BCamden]

Well done guys, fantastic

[@chelmswoodjunction]

Great loco and a brill video presentation to go with it.

[@odenviking]

I like the locos in the background . I hope that Hornby can knock my socks of whith a top model. 👍😀😀😀👍👍👍👍

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@johnd8892]

Intriguing that the LNWR was the largest UK pre grouping company but has the least models made for it. This will be just the third loco and no rolling stock if I am correct.

[@CecilValeProductions]

Well considering that r-t-r models these days have to have either a currently preserved or new build/replica being made, the only locos of LNWR build preserved being a Coal Tank, Super D, a single 2-2-2 (Cornwall), and a Jumbo with a new build for a Bloomer and George the 5th, the only other loco they could do is a post-WW1 version of the ROD version of the GCR 8K, that's why there haven't been many LNWR locos made for a while.

[@johnd8892]

@@CecilValeProductions Except perhaps for the Hornby B17, O1, L1, W1, A2/2, A2/3, J83, Dean Single, Grange, Crosti 9F, 2P, 38xx County,10xx County, 2721, Holden 0-4-0T, Original Merchant Navy, Patriots, D16, Fowler 4P tank, Stanier 2 cylinder tank, J50 and perhaps a few more. Even the P2 was released before much progress on the new build. Bachmann LNER J39, GCR Pom Pom, LNER V1 or V3, Blue Pullman, Midland 1P 0-4-4T, Patriots, 3F tender, 3MT tank perhaps a few more. Heljan LMS Garratt, 02, 47xx and class 16. Any more? So glad they do not limit themselves to the common repeated UK advice of just making preserved examples or models of models made 1:1 scale. In other countries this advice is less widespread. However it does require more knowledgeable and capable design skills. Also this capability of research avoids duplicating some of the non typical aberrations that are just present on the preserved example. A trap for the scan then CAD approach common recently.

[@stephensmith799]

No BR Standard Class 3MT 2-6-0 yet... ☹🤞🤞🤞

[@jamesinglis1506]

I noticed on the livestream that any comments on the price were being deleted.

[@hornbymag]

At the time it wasn't confirmed so we didn't want any misinformation, I can now quote the Rails of Sheffield website 'The price of the model is £220 and can be pre-ordered now with a deposit of £30.'

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@generalgrievous5615]

@@dtaylor4552 I live on the lts, and get it to go to school

[@dtaylor4552]

@@generalgrievous5615 really? I suppose the name Megan Barton-Hanson rings a bell in Essex particularly in Southend On Sea.

[@JCNUMBERand]

I wish I can go see them...

[@petersmith4455]

great loco. but i am not paying that price for a model, i suspect clowing around by rails of sheffield, i can get a B17 for under 75 pounds from hattons , i also will wait for sams trains opinion.meanwhile i can play with my Triang a3

[@alanhaynes4576]

Does it have proper bearings?

[@Steven_20031]

Anyone know if the hst is still broken after it's visit to the kwvr last year?

[@CecilValeProductions]

Techincally this is the first 2-4-0 tender locomotive modelled in r-t-r 00 gauge.

[@privatejoker5403]

I wonder if they have bearings

[@lukeslocomotives]

Very doubtfull

[@privatejoker5403]

@@lukeslocomotives at that price they should Hornby have them on there railroad models

[@CampervanJon]

I would never pay that price until Sams Trains tells me to

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@williambabcoke248]

He probably won't get one, unfortunately. It's far to expensive for him. He doesn't usually spend more than 200 pounds on any single locomotive, unless it's something like a Garrett.

[@benphillips3799]

Yea that's nuts. That tiny thing is NOT worth that much! I know times are chaning, everything costs more, blah blah, but sheesh!

[@williambabcoke248]

@@benphillips3799 it could be, but probably not. It would need a lot of the features that some of the premium North American models have, such as a smoke unit, light up marker lights, die cast body, and steaming whistle. Bachmann probably won't do that.

[@benphillips3799]

@@williambabcoke248 Strongly agree, and these little engines COULD be fabulous but I am as yet not convinced. Bachmann can produce strong, "middle-of-the-road +" quality models when it wants to, but its "higher-end" models are often lacking in quality and bountiful in cost. It's such a shame because when you look at companies like Roco or Liliput who are producing fabulous models with insane levels of detail(and have been for some time now!), the price is often in-line or sometimes even cheaper than these "nicer" Bachmann (or even other company's) models. I grew up with Bachmann in the 90's here in the states and I just wish I could get excited about their offerings nowadays, but increasingly I am woefully underwhelmed by the cost/quality.

[@paddycoleman1472]

What a lovely model. Fingers crossed it ends up in N Gauge!

[@DangerAngelous]

A model that costs at minimum in AUD maybe $330, not including shipping... how and why is this possible?

[@lachd2261]

Yeah a bit pricey for me as well. Shame, because it's an absolutely beautiful thing. I'll have to stick to my Webb Coal Tank

[@philipcochran1972]

Three pole motor?

[@lukeslocomotives]

Yes probably

[@davidpatrick8599]

Never heard them being referred to as 'Etnas'. They were always known as 'Jumbos'. Pity about the white roof on the cab of the LNWR version There is no record of this in livery books or Crewe Works records. This seems to be a NRM abberation along with many others on models in the NRM. They make the mistake of modelling the loco as it is, not as built or as it was in service.

[@johnd8892]

Is the white roof a royal train thing? The NRM likes to present royal trains as typical.

[@samuel_excels]

They're showing Hardwicke in as preserved condition, the other one in LNWR livery has the correct black roof colour.

[@jimflagg4009]

Are those bumpers sprung? Last, how does it perform (how many cars can it pull does it crawl? Is it a 5 pole or 3 pole motors and is there a fly wheel on the motor.

[@lukeslocomotives]

Knowing bachmann: the buffers wont be sprung It wont be able to pull much 3 pole motor No flywheel

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@timspiers6225]

@@lukeslocomotives They showed it pulling 3 bogie coaches and I believe that when Hardwicke did it's record run it only had 75 tons behind the tender.

[@Lennon6412]

For those panicking about traction tyres, they are optional.

[@a.r.productions]

8:55 the model comes as standard with traction tyers if you want to remove them you have to do it yourself and unless your an expert, Doing that is EXTREMELY difficult.

[@Lennon6412]

@@a.r.productions How do you know you NEED to be an expert when you haven't tried that on this particular model?

[@a.r.productions]

@@Lennon6412 I take your point. If Bachmann can make the process easy then that's fine but the main issue is having the tryers in the first place which is just going to increase the cost and trying to manufacture an ''easy way'' to change the wheelset is just going to further increase the price. I am of course not an expert in making model locomotives but considering the model is going to be largely diecast then I don't see the need for traction tyres. I respect your view and as you said best wait till we see the final product. :)

[@johnelliott1146]

Nice model but no crew ?

[@timspiers6225]

@@dtaylor4552 how many times are you going to post this comment?

[@samgoldney4621]

There was 4 model on here but on rail of Sheffield only got 3 on the website

[@hornbymag]

The forth is avaliable directly from the Locomotion models website

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@mechamax7919]

majestic!

[@kevinmottram9491]

Very nice looking models. Bit pricey though!

[@rodneycooperLMSCoach]

It would have been nice if you could have included EM and P4 gauges on limited runs.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Too expensive as too small a market for mass production.

[@johnd8892]

Best you could hope for are clearances to allow wheel changes.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@dtaylor4552 well you're the only one.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@dtaylor4552 and so does bankruptcy.

[@richardclowes6123]

I like the 2-4-0 in the Crimson: what a beauty and the cab detail is beautiful. What I need to know is whether this configuration will cope with a predominant 1st radius track ??? I really hope so. I have Hogwarts 4-6-0 and a 4-4-0 locos that just about manage with virtually no derailments ! What motor and or flywheel does it have ?? Cheers, Rick

[@farric1]

Any news on the release? I've had a deposit on one for a while now.

[@joshstrainspotting2586]

awsome film nore locos

[@fanofblueshockey107]

They’re similar to the American engines in my country

[@dtaylor4552]

Have you never been to Britain to view British steam engines?

[@johnd8892]

In 1889 the Pennsylvania RR did try an LNWR design compound for a short while. So a development of this loco. Was no ,1320 a 2-2-2-0 built by Beyer Peacock to Webb's design. Being a double single it was really the pennsy's first duplex drive loco. Was too weak and slow so scrapped by 1897. One of the very few later UK locos exported to the US. So fano etc is correct for this loco. Travelling to the UK would not educate anyone about it. Few in the UK would have knowledge of it. Wikipedia article but photo harder to find.

[@rossnation8092]

Is the model of Hardwicke only for the collectors club?

[@hornbymag]

Not at all, its the version being sold by Locomotion models directly.

[@rossnation8092]

@@hornbymag sweet! I’ll crack on over there and snap one up. Thank you! 😊

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@dominichetherington2287]

Is it dcc for that price? If it is will there be a cheaper

[@williambabcoke248]

I wonder how Bachmann is justifying that price. Does it have a metal boiler?

[@dominichetherington2287]

As the guy said in the video yes!!!!!!!

[@TheTWRModeller]

Well, I just pre-ordered one from Rails today. We tried calling Locomotion at Shildon, but unfortunately, they weren't open as the shop in the museum was closed. I wanted to get the preserved example, but I could only get the one in the same livery but with a different number and name. :'( Still, better than nothing at all.

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@CecilValeProductions]

I mean there's the option of pre-ordering it on the locomotion models website?

[@AdiPullen]

I guess it a nrm loco then?

[@mattlander9119]

yes and something that hasn't previously been available in 00 before

[@AdiPullen]

@@mattlander9119 I just something that was that a lot of locos in the class

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@pedrodebarros4949]

Prices are going the wrong way I am in South Africa and the last brand new model I boughf the Orient Express set DCC was in 2010

[@WaylandersWandering]

Goliath from oh Mr porter guaranteed

[@scottw550]

Adjustable wrenches or spanners have a terrible habit of loosening, no matter how tightly you adjust them, and this is exactly the wrong characteristic for a tool that needs to tightly grip a nut or bolt in order to work properly.

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@otisjb]

oh my word dan how many times please stop clogging up the comments with the same slightly crazy sounding paragraph

[@thebritfarmer]

I think we got !! don't be an ass

[@otisjb]

@@dtaylor4552 the potential of what exactly?

[@thebritfarmer]

A nice looking model, the price however is ludicrous

[@dtaylor4552]

I got the Q1 for £109 and Black 5 No 500 when they were at the NEC for £150 in their reduced sale.

[@bluebellModelrailway]

LNWR just got the email.. Before this even started.

[@Tom-Lahaye]

A very nice model, but 220 quid is a very stiff price. Prices for new Bachmann models are creeping up to Fleischmann levels, but the quality is not up to that same level yet. Probably not so much in the detail and accuracy , which seem very good, but running quality (not really a smooth start from standstill in the video), features like lighting and smoke, crispness of detail and paintwork and sturdiness is still not comparable with brands like Fleischmann and Roco. A good point however is leaving the choice to fit a wheelset with traction tyres or a plain one to the customer, and that's something the continental brands still don't do, you have to live with traction tyres or order plain wheelsets as spares at cost.

[@michaelhudson8968]

Wonder what it could be 😎😎😎

[@lukeslocomotives]

I just order a Hornby standard 2 for £189 thinking that's pricey, but THIS for £220, not to mention the lower quality this will be knowing Bachmann, is borderline ridiculous!

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@jameshardy4354]

220 are you having a laugh seriously 🙁

[@lukeslocomotives]

@@jameshardy4354 ik! Bachamnn seriously nedd to get a grip, selling oo gauge locos at o gauge prices

[@lukeslocomotives]

@@dtaylor4552 stop spamming

[@CecilValeProductions]

Hornby's QC apparently have gone down hill more lately.

[@anamarijacovic3503]

Plz you have Stirling single there

[@johnd8892]

About five years ago the same Locomotion released a OO/HO Stirling single. Sourced from Rapido and very expensive. Now sold out and now an even higher priced collectors item. Hornby magazine test ran one on KZbin.

[@RobA500]

Look nice but I’d say they are 90 to £100 over priced. Sorry Bachmann I think you are loosing the plot your approaching O gauge prices.

[@jameshardy4354]

Guage 1 prices 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@samszeto7303]

Traction tyres!!!!!????

[@williambabcoke248]

They're optional.

[@andy_croft]

lovely models but stupidly high price. the average joe is slowly being priced out of this hobby

[@samuel_excels]

If you want a model of that quality you have to pay the price required to make it. This is why Hornby Railroad exists to cater to those with meager bank balances. Personally I think the level of detail is reaching such a point that 00 should be dropped as the gauge and we to P4 or we drop 4mm/ft and adopt H0 scale.

[@stardust5379]

You can have puddn' as long as it's black. Yum.

[@scottlewis775]

They look nice, but 220 pounds in these times? Bachmann your kidding yourselves.

[@jameshardy4354]

Is it live steam then at those prices 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it better be 😊

[@TonySmith-cd7jo]

If they are going to charge this sort of price tor a 2-4-0 shouldn't they think about bringing manufacturing to this country!. No axle covers either, not acceptable on such a pricey loco!

[@CecilValeProductions]

That'd make it more expensive these days due to the amount of workers laws exist in not just the UK & EU but North America as well.

[@vincentweatherly9991]

I’ll be asleep :( Enjoy

[@sapphirejunction8993]

I'll be awake and yes I will...

[@dtaylor4552]

I would like to see Locomotion Models produce the Stanier 3 cylinder 4MT and LTSR Class 79 via Hornby next year because since I am considering doing a layout of Southend On Sea and Southend East in the days of the LMS in the 1930s in 00 Gauge and since I am an admirer of former Love Island contestant Megan Barton-Hanson myself I would have the layout built for her to remember me by.

[@paulypyro]

i like

[@stephenpottage4155]

Too expensive great model not worth the price!

[@dominichetherington2287]

Dc version