Logging in Sweden | Cut to length

[@RolandElliottFirstG]

Nice clean operation, very clean, neat, they seem to look after there machines and dont thrash the crap out of them.

[@cotontop3]

Got to because a processor like that is over a million dollars.

[@carlwilliams8354]

Roland Elliott Notice how clean the woods are. The underbrush in the South is the enemy of CTL processors. I tried it in 1987!

[@hanslarsson4857]

@@carlwilliams8354 Many times we need to cut down small treas to ground Before we go in with harvesters

[@ponsseguy]

@@cotontop3 last I checked they were a little over $700k. 2 or 3 years ago

[@greggcearley5349]

The real advantage of this logging system is that the machines work completely independent of each other. The harvester goes to work on a tract and never looks back. The trees are cut up and they don’t dry out as fast because all limbs and tops are remove from the stem. Harvester can have multiple shifts of operators, 24/7. The same for the forwarder as well. Forwarder stacks at road side and isn’t burdened by a full set and waiting on trucks like our loader delimber systems are when they get stacked out. The days of going to work at daylight and going home at dark does not apply to this type of logging. Multiple machines does not apply either because these machines are extremely expensive. They are meant to run as a two machine team with little downtime and for as many hours per day as possible. It takes a completely different mindset than we are used to here in the states to run a logging system like this.

[@peraxelsson2092]

Fun to see the film and the comment afterwards. Have been logging around the world and we are all the same.

[@stevenharkness9925]

They got it going on we still got a mindset in the states to have several machines working doing what two can do

[@hanslarsson4857]

Is not your "Uninon" as put your way to do it ….

[@DanKlein_1]

That was awesome. I like the machinery aspect of it. a whole different class of machines used to accomplish logging. I was surprised the cutter/processor didn't take time to make less stack of logs to be reloaded onto the transport machine. Neat to see a problem... Then, to see how different countries or even areas of a county came up with a solution to it. One thought it was easier to process near the final load phase (like you do) while another thought it was more efficient to process as you cut. probably has a lot to do with terrain as well as the size of trees that are handled.

[@hanslarsson4857]

I could se that the operator had many different typ of logs to cut out of each tree , so it will be many small stacks of one size logs , bcs they will go to different saws

[@poppopscarvinshop]

Thank You Matt! Very Interesting and a Great Job Filming and Editing!!

[@mdskog]

On this tract we make timber for four different sawmills and two different paper mills. I do not remember but I think the trees are around sixty to seventy years old and have stopped growing on the very lean land. Mats.

[@ipbrew5536]

Interesting truck/trailer system - love the sliding bunks. It looks like this type of set up would require fairly small wood and pretty flat terrain to work and the equipment appears to be pretty light weight compared to the traditional buncher, skidder, processor, loader set up that is used in BC. This is interesting, thanks for posting.

[@alburnett1775]

Great operation from the cutter to the loader.

[@johnwhicks8687]

Awesome stuff. Definitely cool to see the different ways of getting it done

[@frankdahlen539]

One of the biggest differences is that we protect the ground we drive on in the forest. All twigs that are cut are driven on.

[@carlwilliams8354]

I tried CTL logging in the late 80’s. We had a fence post/pole peeling mill and there were lots of plantations that were not getting thinned. Since we needed 8ft 4 material CTL seemed like a good option. We bought a new Lokomo Makeri 34T. It’s about the size of a big Skid steer. It had a 13 inch shear and processed to the right side. We added it to an Iron Mule 5050 that we had bought from Rocky Creek in Alabama. One of the groups that were doing CTL around Evergreen,Al. At first we loaded set out trailers and latter loaded tandem straight trucks. Production was 2 trailers loads a day for 2 operators and latter 3 tandem loads and the forwarder operator drove the truck too! Never hauled more that 30 miles. There was another logger near me that ran a Makeri to producing 10ft pulpwood. We both had lots of break downs from the beating the cutter took in the rough underbrush.

[@bobbaer869]

That was a very interesting video. Thanks for sharing it Tim

[@TheKajunkat]

just in case anyone was interested, 84 metric tons is about 185,000 pounds or 92.5 US tons. A regular 18 wheeler in US has a capacity around 80,000 pounds total weight loaded or 40 US tons. So that Swedish rig weighs 2.3 times as much as an American 18 wheeler. Good gracious!

[@mdskog]

Hi. total weight is 64 metric tons

[@ossimarttila9966]

I dont really know about the maximun weights in sweden but in finland we have these hct(high capacity transports) trucks that can weight up to 104 metric tons in total weight. I think normal maximum weight of trucks in finland is 76 tons

[@coffeebuzzz]

Get over here to Australia then if you want to see a big one. Road trains up to 200 metric tons. Trying to overtake one is white knuckle time.

[@samlincoln5548]

TheKajunkat here in New England, with permits, 6 axle trucks can run 99,000. In New York and Quebec, 7 axle trucks can run 117,000 and 129,000 respectively.

[@jeffhargett9096]

Great video. Logging is different ways all over the world. There is one common thing is constant just like you said. Stay safe and hydrated.

[@Will7981]

That was very interesting. I wish Matt could go make a video now on how their mill processes them.👍🏻

[@abengtz]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6atkIRsh89-o5Y one sawmill in the same area in sweden

[@patkelly7999]

Good stuff Tim, nice to see You showing something from this neck of the woods, Thankyou:):)

[@mikedobson2988]

Well done video, thanks for sharing it with us Tim

[@terrellfarms1]

It amazes me that that little loader can pick up as much as it can with that little bitty turntable. I also like the movable bunks for the trailer, i was wondering how he was going to get an even load. That was pretty neat. Don't know how strong they are but neat none the less.

[@TheKajunkat]

That loader/hauler is just a little more sophisticated then the ones we have here. Just a little bit...

[@kristofferhellstrom]

Where do you live?

[@robertmarshall4719]

Great video Tim as always. I enjoy all of your video's

[@mf2821]

You all can hav à look at Janne Seppänen in Finland with his ponsse, great driver with a great machine.

[@HelloRenauldo]

Yes, the ponse scorpion is a very nice machine indeed

[@kristofferhellstrom]

ooh yes. That's a beast. Probably has AC too :P

[@mcd5082]

That is amazing equipment and a very skilled operator. Thank you for sharing!

[@davidchapin8297]

Great video. Enjoyed seeing how others do it!

[@BKD70]

More than one way to skin a cat!! The cutter/processor looks like a big ant moving through the woods. That cutter/processor looked like it was leaving total chaos behind. But it all makes sense when you see those Tigercat forwarders. Pretty cool!!

[@jsnowstorm1311]

I cut in a swamp a few winters ago. The end of March it was starting to warm up. So I checked the ground by cutting a tree and left it stood up in the head them pushed the feed button. That tree went down into the ground 21ft. These machines have a pretty lite footprint. I keep working that swamp for another week. Never got stuck

[@davidwilber2989]

We had loader trucks but went to having the forwarder load the wood directly on a dropped trailer. The trucker just drops and hooks. We get a bigger payload this way and 1 less loader to worry about

[@brentmedders]

The cut to length/forwarder method seems futuristic compared to skidding and tree length stuff here in the south. Which is more efficient?

[@kevincarver9949]

Awesome video Tim 👍👍👍

[@pootietang9947]

Those machines look expensive. That truck was awesome. Good video

[@jasonboyce424]

Awesome video always enjoy watching your video have a great Thursday

[@johncolasanto605]

Great video Tim... wood to soon be seen at the local IKEA.. lol

[@mikeembrey9176]

Looks like a maintenance nightmare 🔧

[@hanslarsson4857]

Why , the drivers do it the most of time wenn it breaks themself , i do

[@jsnowstorm1311]

Plenty of those machines working in Maine and Canada. I have a rottne with a keto head

[@peewee.3138]

I didn't know that Tigerkitty made forwarders. That is a cool bunk setup on that trailer so you don't need so long of a boom on the loader.

[@HelloRenauldo]

They make a bad ass harvester too. The 1185.

[@vastylebbq5203]

Any idea how long to get the stand back after harvest in the north country there? Small stems, anyway. But cold makes for slower grow? Those guys are pretty chill. No High Ball Geter Done there.

[@cotontop3]

Mats told me these trees are between 60-70 years old. He said ground is poor at this site and that’s all the trees will do. It’s hard for people to understand that every area, every mill regions, things are done differently. Here in the southeast where the southern pine belt is, the mills dictate production and there is nothing wrong with fast production or slow production, what matters is will your area support the fashion that you get trees to mill.

[@William1221-q1e]

This makes me want to go and study in Sweden some if I'm able to get into university for forest engineering.

[@kristofferhellstrom]

Do it

[@jimshoe6828]

The terrain looks like northern MN. The equipment is in considerably better shape than most of what I see in MN.

[@brentlawson4482]

That was cool, wish they could do a ride along video on the forwarder and processor

[@Bigjoe29]

Awesome video. Always wondered how they load those trailers over there

[@samuelchristianson1592]

A few of those machines in upper michgan. Its the only way in wisconsin. What a nice woods to process in.

[@huckmiller1971]

The self loader is a loglift , I have one on my Mack ! It's a Z & it folds up behind the cab & has 33' of reach . They sure have some nice equipment !

[@William1221-q1e]

Also wouldn't piling so many cut logs up cause them to checker?

[@unclejoe5541]

sliding bunks/bolsters on the trailer was really cool. Yeah, make the drivers load, and you can get Cottonwood to go around filming them all day, whatcha think?

[@steamfan7147]

Cool, my uncle years ago had a Massey Ferguson 230 forwarder, it was old when he had it and that was 30+ year ago. It was great for short wood though.

[@royceabbottsexcavation3709]

I’m a dirt guy. But that right there was cool!

[@hanslarsson4857]

@@brian_2040 But the trees smell better

[@MatthewHoag77]

Interesting way of doing the job. Would that equipment lineup be amenable to the conditions you typically face? Is there a big demand for cut-to-length logs that would justify the switch?

[@Doomjunkie]

What are those tracks that go over tires? What are they called? Where can I find them?

[@hanslarsson4857]

Olofsfors tracks or Clark tracks are two of the biggest produser of tracks

[@ireneharvey2675]

Bandtracks

[@cliftonpearce3775]

Great video 👍 Tim! Cool to see the way they log in other countries. Do you have anyone in your area that logs with a farm tractor and a bobtruck that is the way my dad logged ?

[@Ham68229]

Seems like the loader/hauler can or could replace both your loaders and skidder, since it can do both jobs. As for the feller buncher, that can be a toss up. Always nice to see how things are done in different parts of the world. Great video, cheers :)

[@cotontop3]

That set up will never produce 25 loads a day or more like we often do and you still gotta have a loader to load the wood on the trailer.

[@LarryMiriamFarms]

I could see a modified version of this working in NE FL for WestRock. Use a track machine with the same type of cutting, processing head, replace the skidders and loader with two forwarders. You could thin use the forwarder to load set out trailers. Works in theory, not sure if the economics would play out.

[@Luke-wx5bu]

In norway we do the same as sweden 💚

[@kristofferhellstrom]

Norway and Sweden are hightech 💚 /A Swede

[@metlmuncher]

We have a amount of that type of action here in Vermont

[@MegaKnutten]

är du nöjd med h21an?

[@karlcarnevale4948]

Very cool video. That forwarder looked a little sketchy.

[@jeremypowers8981]

i enjoyed his video. Thanks

[@gregbraddy1497]

To log like that here,1 all you would be doing is thinning or 2 you would have to run 2 processors with truck driver loading them selves. 2 is a recipe for a screwup.

[@ponsseguy]

Lol 2 is how most people log where I live

[@raywilson800]

Are them sticks pulpwood? They aren't big enough for sawlogs. I've seen furniture factorys use small stuff like that sometimes. I think they're equipment is pretty much advanced over what we use in this country. Great video! Thanks for sharing it and thanks to your friend for sending it. I saw you interview one of Bobby Goodsons drivers.I think what you are doing is a cool thing.😎

[@larrysutton6530]

I think that was a great video with some really cool equipment that could really streamline logging if it can be adapted to the type of work that you do. The only drawback I see is that with equipment like that some people could be without a job but the flipside would be that logging could be made more profitable by streamlining the operation and keep the company owners afloat longer than expected. I would be very interested in knowing your views on this whole thought

[@stevenmonette8760]

Tim was just me or are those machines quite compared to ours. Would timber size play a roll in the production noise? Watch yours and jaysons videos first thing daily

[@cotontop3]

Ours are old engines and those are all final tier 4 def emission engines.

[@hanslarsson4857]

@@cotontop3 In the new Machines , but in many old ones there is tier 2

[@thomasmeeks7304]

that was a cool vod.

[@jasoncrocker9332]

That’s how they do it in Newfoundland too

[@nlk3870]

I have couble forwarder videos on my channel how we do in finland, almost same as sweden. some day i go america and i definitely want to see how you boys logging.

[@iceflameproductionz]

anyone in the comments run a small time logging gig? Im 20 and i log solo with a 4wd tractor, with a loader and a grapple bucket, 1978 kubota m7500dt. i sell logs 10-14ft length out of a 1 ton dump truck. and also sell firewood. i fell em with a chainsaw and skid em out with chains and a 3 point hitch. anyone else do this? im definitely not rich

[@smoothlandin]

Yes. Saw cut, 50hp tractor, skid winch and chokers, 1 ton dump, and dump trailer, sometimes 4wheeler for really tight spots..love every minute

[@NLAGaming]

10:33 AGH!

[@kevinr.lemieux9982]

Great video very enjoyable liked it 👍

[@AJDeere]

Did you go to Sweden?

[@cotontop3]

I explained that in the video.

[@madisonian50]

It would be pretty hard to visit Sweden from the States now. Someday they’ll let us visit again.

[@William1221-q1e]

I want to look into buying one of these machines and using it in Alabama for pine trees, but I'm not sure if the terrain would be a problem. I'd like to combine the use of it and a forwarder instead of a skidder and use power saws for larger trees. Seems like they could pile the logs better though.

[@cotontop3]

You will go broke trying to do this in Alabama.

[@terrellfarms1]

It has been tried in Georgia and it failed. Our limbs in the southern US are bigger and tougher and the cost to purchase the equipment is prohibitive. Landowners aren't willing to accept less money per cord for the additional cost to run this type of equipment and the reduced output per day.

[@cotontop3]

You are exactly right and the mills prefer to do their own ctl. There were a couple of different companies here that tried like crazy to make it work in the early 90’s here and it wouldn’t.

[@William1221-q1e]

@@cotontop3 I've looked at used harvesters and they cost about the price as a new wheeled feller and I sometimes see trucks loaded with cut to length but will look into it more.

[@alanb9337]

@@William1221-q1e There are some Ponsse machines (made in Finland) that have been working on Hurricane Michael forest damage cleanup in Florida. timberlinemag.com/2019/11/michigan-logger-relocates-to-harvest-hurricane-damaged-timber-in-florida/ There is the example of this logger cutting lengths in relatively small diameter timber in Georgia, USA. Tigercat 575 processor in Ga, USA. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGO1nq2NqrCLoK8 . Processors more likely to be used in the US south as a means of whole tree bark removal to reduce the cost of trucking tree bark. Theme common to most large scale logging is the use of fossil fuels, expect more hybrid forestry equipment and alternative fuels -bio, hydrogen etc in the future to power the forest operations.

[@walterpugh2930]

Tim, I would like a copy for my carpentry class. If you can ok that with the gentleman that filmed it. Walter

[@nickdial8610]

Wish I had that when I was hauling pulpwood 😬

[@kristofferhellstrom]

Think we had one of those behind my parents house. It's a great machine but we miss the forest behind their house :/ :P

[@mikewawrzkiewicz3741]

That first forwarder has always been my favorite piece of logging equipment I.D run that bad boy all day long

[@bigfred1696]

Do you have wild hogs there?

[@mfg67]

Oh yeah, Sweden is getting infested with hogs.

[@bigfred1696]

I was talking about where he lives in Mississippi

[@latoacwoad]

That was cool

[@jasonreese4824]

That is awesome.

[@joedavidson6556]

Hey you guys looking into running this type of operation?? 😄. Great vid as always

[@emilhuggarn3050]

Driving a harvester in sweden but its green😎

[@viseshseernam39]

prefer feller bunchers and skidders videos capable of cutting and hauling giant trees

[@mikelatham146]

👍👍👍

[@matthewsims359]

It is cool how people do things differently to get the same final results. Thanks to you and him foe sharing that with us. Stay well and stay safe👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@mentalsid3701]

Scotland very similar !!!!

[@MrTonyharrell]

All for Ikea 😂😂😂

[@blacksheep9734]

140k on that truck. Holy crap

[@janstahl9589]

And now days they increased to 155-160k

[@halgreene1482]

Looks like a lot of handling of the product to me . Just saying but I’m not a logger.

[@rickharper1497]

I agree, they"re handling the product more, time is money!!!

[@hanslarsson4857]

@@rickharper1497 But we dont drag the treas in dirt ;)

[@captandysir8670]

Compared to: cutter touch 1, skidder touch 2, processor touch 3, loader touch 4?

[@davie2606]

Do you follow David Cuddy on Instagram?

[@Ludwig5967]

Hey i'm swedish

[@CarterWHern]

USA log truck are more robust and safer. Stanchions are welded.

[@lockwoodheavy4234]

Still in the seventys

[@yorkshirerich2970]

Sorry but your US trucks are year's behind the best European ones for comfort safety and strength. US use aluminium cabs Europe full steel crash tested with crumple zones. You run at 80 000 lbs hes running at 141,000 lbs in pretty inhospitable terrain, including loads of snow and ice in the winter.