Logic Pro X vs Waves: Vintage EQ Emulations

#logicpro #waves #eq
The EQs that come built into Logic Pro X are frankly fantastic. The channel EQ is an indispensable tool for quick boosts and cuts, the linear phase EQ is awesome to have when the occasion calls for it, and the Vintage EQ Collection has something for everyone.
I wanted to see if these Vintage EQs stood up to their paid counterparts over the Waves plugins offering.
One thing is for sure, there are some big differences! Whether these make the Logic stock EQs better or worse is up to you to decide, but it certain made for some interesting listening.
0:00 - Intro
2:02 - Vintage Console EQ vs Scheps 73
8:30 - Vintage Graphic EQ vs API 560
16:42 - Vintage Tube EQ vs Puigtec
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[@indisguiseFUCK]

The Logic stock plugins are fantastic. Their compressors as well! Coming from a UAD Apollo system I now switched to RME and didn't care much for any other third party solutions when mixing in the box, the Logic stuff is good!

[@SamLoose]

Great to hear!

[@espedale]

Nicely done. This information is very valuable as I am trying to move away from Waves plugins wherever and whenever possible. As most who own Waves plugins know, the company continues to extract money on plugins you naively thought you only had to pay for once. Videos like these are extremely helpful because they allow Logic users to identify where the differences are (stock vs 3rd party) and make the necessary adjustments to mimic expensive Waves plugins. Your shared knowledge is very much appreciated!

[@SamLoose]

Glad it was helpful!

[@MrDisrupta]

A very interesting video comparison thank you. A thought on why the waves API EQ behaved that way is emulating the way the Q works on the old units. I'm sure that they had a sort of automatic Q that got steeper the further down they go.

[@FishCow]

I've never used the hardware API but I do use the Logic emulation a lot. For what it's worth, I use the "tune" feature ( + 5 - 6) in the Logic emulation and set the highs to 22.6k. To my ears it's pretty smooth at reasonable boosts and even giving it a bit of drive on the output. Also I haven't tried the waves version.

[@JohnLynagh]

Really interesting comparisons Sam. Thanks for that. Can you remind me if you covered typical use cases (or instruments/master bus processing) for the different stock EQ types in a previous video? So what is suited to a tube or graphic or tube? You touched on it briefly in this video which was great.

[@SamLoose]

Hi John, thanks for watching. I didn’t specifically go into too much detail on what each EQ would be good on; that could be good for a future video 😀

[@TheStevep52]

The original API design had a Q that got narrower as the frequency gain is turned up. The Waves correctly emulates this whereas the Logic doesn’t.

[@fuckGFW2012]

We shall A/B different materials. The target loop is electric bass + drum + distortion guitar, which by themselves are all regular harmonics. If we use acoustic instrument or vocals, I bet the tonal difference will be more obvious. For example, my engineer likes to apply the UAD 1073 EQ on tracks, whereas I don't have it, and I use a WA73EQ hardware and Scheps 73 instead, and dial in the same setting. Then I come to hear the deviation of Scheps 73. The added dirty grit can be unfavorable you intend a clean sounding result.

[@cjgoeson]

Could the logic condole eq shelf be less of a shelf due to “cramping?”

[@bryantlroeback3287]

On my speakers (yamaha hs8s) the logic one is brighter and had more definition than waves api 560 type plugin. Waves sounded more muffled.

[@Wizardofvoz2]

Enjoy d the video. I would have preferred not to be distracted by the modulation effect, though.

[@CannedFunkMusic]

Do you actually have the high shelf turned on in the logic plugin??? It doesn’t lol like it.

[@SamLoose]

In which example?

[@vycashh]

different sauces

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

It looks like Waves Q isn't proportional on the API. I believe it has been proven that the Waves API is nothing but a standard digital EQ but I could be wrong about that.

[@SamLoose]

That’s interesting. I guess in theory you can recreate any EQ curve with a digital EQ with enough bands. It just comes down to the harmonic characteristics; that’s where the differences would lie.

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

@@SamLoose Right! My words there weren't very clear. What I specifically meant was that Waves didn't model the saturation. There is no saturation in the plugin. I do believe the curves are correct tho. Sorry not sure what I was smoking when I said that hahahaha!!!!

[@sdecario5736]

You look like Shek with hair!