Loki Gets Therapized with Jonathan Decker

Loki Gets Therapized with Jonathan Decker //
Can people really change? We are going to explore the Disney + series and what it means for people to come around and change who they are, change what they want, and turn away from bad habits and desires- towards something more positive.
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[@kayleeblack4303]

While this would have made a great Cinema Therapy episode, it's great that you're talking about it on this channel because of just how applicable it is to so many people these days. Many of us try too hard to be something we're not and end up hurting ourselves in the long run. Many of us want love but don't feel worthy of it or are too afraid to open ourselves up to be loved. Many think it's Tom Hiddleston's attractiveness and charisma that make us like Loki so much, but in actuality, it's because Loki is so similar to us.

[@kai_winchester_66]

I love Loki because as Tom himself said "god bless him he's a complicated cat" he has such multi-layered complexity which makes him a favourite.

[@funfings842]

the thing i love about the Loki series, is that Loke needed EVERYTHING that happened, to happen, to become the best version of himself. He needed to watch himself from outside of himself, he needed to meet his variants, who he could have become, and he needed every opportunity that came his way.

[@MendedLight]

Very cool point.

[@AysKuz]

His acting talent is even bigger if you consider that in the scene where he looks into the recorded future he did all this with a blank wall and a broad description what he sees. A line from the song Pushit from the band Tool comes to mind: There is no love in fear.

[@melissalittle2443]

I never thought about the blank wall thing...holy crap.

[@mariahevans6940]

I wasn’t expecting much with the first Loki episode when I first watched the show, but the moment that Loki confessed that he hurt others as a desperate bid for control I understood why I lashed out at my siblings da lot of the time, because I grew up as the family scapegoat, and so because of that I hurt others before anyone could get a chance to hurt me first. It was eye opening for me and also a way to be more compassionate towards the little girl me, who spent so much of her time being angry, which I realized the reason behind the anger after watching the first episode of Loki. The show is really close to my heart because of that

[@drrocketman7794]

One of my professors in college taught me, "You are becoming what you are right now unless you change."

[@rini177]

"This macho behavior of Im tough, Im strong, Dont mess with me, Dont cross me, comes from I want to be loved but I dont think im gonna get it, I dont think im lovable so I will settle for being feared and respected."

[@brewdaly1873]

Anyone else think that Mobius is low-key (pun intended) a better therapist than Bucky's?

[@ayabaheera]

HAHA! He's definitely way better than Bucky's therapist!

[@MissPooslie]

I would LOVE to hear John’s take on Bucky’s therapist. She is TERRIBLE.

[@eyes_espresso4803]

I used to project being angry and tough all the time. I wore giant rings, carried myself with wide shoulders and facing straight ahead, all because I was tired of being bullied. My friend circle knew what was going on, but anyone else just thought I bristled at being stared at or spoken to. And all it was, was trying to diminish the opportunity for people to pick at me. I put forth the idea that if someone couldn't see past my scary exterior and want to get to know me beyond that, they didn't deserve to be my friend. How wrong I turned out to be.

[@ceciliacarlid6113]

6:45 This reminds me of the classical novel Doctor Glas: "People want to be loved; failing that admired; failing that feared; failing that hated and despised. They want to evoke some sort of sentiment. The soul shudders before oblivion and seeks connection at any price." That quote has a lot of wisdom in it. Can't say I'm either of those things, but I wish I was

[@PhantomQueenOne]

I liked the old German man saying 'Their are always men like you" I think the old man was referring to Hitler, but that's how Loki was acting right then, like a murderous dictator. I'm so proud of how Loki has grown and changed. And I bet his adoptive parents and brother would be proud of him too. "Are you proud of me mother?" I think the answer now is yes. Loki and Rocket are the ones that have changed the most in MCU, and for the better. They are the ones that had the most trama as well. Poor Rocket. Whether you hate to love them, or love to hate them, they have changed.

[@queencerseilannister3519]

Oh man, Shang-Chi would be an amazing vid to breakdown. The growth of Simu and his father is unmatched.

[@Hellion912]

I see more often "i want to be loved but I don't believe I ever will be, so I'll settle for being used."

[@rosariocastro6386]

I loved this, a lot of reviewers tend to say about characters "it's not real someone would react like this" but all people are a world of their own and their reactions and attitudes are infinite, sometimes only making sense to them alone, and I think it is an interesting exercise to have a profesional try and analyze a character as they come, trying to make real world sense of the attitudes that screenwriters gave them.

[@sarazen]

People are so complicated. I’m glad that you are offering a hopeful take on people who tend toward narcissism. I’d love to more on other tendencies like schizoid, histrionic (wish there was a better word for that), obsessive etc. Sometimes it’s very hard to tell what you’ve got on your hands when it comes to someone hiding who they really are.

[@erinsgobragh]

I love redemption characters. Probably because I can relate and have redeemed my own life in my eyes. Watching Loki's growth this season was exciting and I can't wait to see him grow more! I love these geek therapy videos, Johnathan. Please keep them up!

[@julieringering3095]

Loki is one of my favorite villains/heroes,he is also my favorite black quarter horse stud/stallion to work! He constantly reminds me,that people do have the capability of changing! ❤️

[@elijahe7612]

It felt like -1HP every time he called him "Morbius" instead of "Mobius" Jokes aside, great video!

[@justsomeferalminor]

Thor is canonicaly in his twenties in human years. He is actually 1500 years old. Loki is a a little over 1000. That means, assuming they age at the same speed, which is likely, given no one knew Loki was adopted for centuries, Loki can be 14 in human years at least, and 19 at most, around sixteen or seventeen being most likely. He's an actual kid. Just try watching MCU with this context.

[@kohakuaiko]

Infantile narcissism is the most treatable.

[@Lunadish]

Yes yes yes!! I was waiting for this on Cinema Therapy 🥰. Loki's character development in the series gave me a chance to understand people can be redeemed.. no matter how far they've fallen.

[@fathomgathergood7690]

I loved this series, Loki is such a complicated character and it doesn't hurt that Tom Hiddleston looks good doing it. It's always hard to decide if Loki is an asshole or a hurt child. He has zero impulse control but the other gods continue to keep him around. I just finished reading The Witch's Heart by Genevieve Gornichec, it gives a behind the scene look at Loki's time with Angrboda and why he does some of the things he does, like killing Balder.

[@Allen-Lujah]

Being a hurt child does not excuse your bad behaviors.

[@lizziepatchen9229]

You need to do one on Regina Mills in Once Upon a Time and her whole “villains don’t get happy endings” thing. That would make for a really interesting episode.

[@wisdomqueencrafts]

Please please PLEASE do a full LOKI Cinema therapy. With his full arch as it has ended in Loki Season 2. I would love to hear your and Alan's take on how that story ended.

[@jacquelynbair1254]

Thanks for this. I was having a difficult time understanding how the Disney+ Loki tied into the movie Loki. You helped me understand his story line as well as his "motivations". Again, thank you.

[@KettyFormaggio]

i would like to see another video on loki after the second series

[@ApaOFF]

Did you watch Loki season 2? I followed it week for week and I extremely liked the finale and where the character has gotten! Really would love to have Jono's thoughts on Loki's evolution in the series (both seasons) so far, and Alan's takes on the filmmaking part, which I really liked far more than the first season (primarily the vfx, postproduction and direction, except some writing issues that do not bother me too much, since the finale just pays it off so well...)

[@creelabellehoward]

YES!! Thank you so much for doing this video. I loved Loki's character development in this series and have been anxious to hear your thoughts on it. And yes, Tom Hiddleston did a FABULOUS job (no surprise there). My list of weaknesses and bad habits to overcome is endless LOL. But I love this idea of envisioning what your future will be if you stay on the path you're on. It puts things in perspective and motivates me to make changes. So, thanks for sharing your awesome insights. :)

[@lunaportia989]

Thank you so much for this video, I really appreciate it.

[@sad_doggo2504]

Conflict resolution has become a big part of my life, more by accident than by choice but I've grown to like it. Two things I've learned: work to understand the other person, and never dismiss or malign them. Although I have to say it strikes me as odd that Loki would say he doesn't want to hurt people. He had a plan, and hurting people was a part of it. More likely is that he's had a change of heart and is now experiencing guilt. Just my two cents... haven't watched all of the movies, but this moment didn't feel convincing to me based off his character. (Also, he repeats the statement and adds a lot of emphasis which makes me think he's trying to convince himself of it more than anything. That's not a black mark on his part, because it's obvious he's missing connection in his life and genuinely wants to change.) Fantastic video as usual.

[@arriannaniv]

Been waiting for this since I saw them

[@TheMajorVegi]

I was hoping you'd analyze the feelings he had for Sylvie. Could we get another Episode on this theme? Especially on the claim of narcissistic behavior :)

[@nixielulu3310]

i am enjoying finding these 👌

[@nickguitarfreak17]

My self improvement journey has been so stymied. I know what I want to change but my motivation is just completely gone because I don't even want to live anymore. The trap of depression

[@abiandflow]

Can I request a harry potter gets therapized? He suffers alot of trauma and they skip over it in the books and films.

[@Hellion912]

Mobius, like a mobius strip, a 3D one sided shape. Not More-bee-us.

[@HeyItsLeePH]

Hope you do one for Wanda too. She needs it badly :(

[@nekokaitou4027]

I know it's a late reply, but they already did one on cinema therapy

[@priestessOfStorms]

Thank you.

[@IsraeliGirl1997]

I wish you would analyze some things from Arcane, it's great & have tones of things done right that would be great to content here or on Cinema Therapy. Great video 😁

[@ashleynp2010]

Arrival would be a lovely movie to discuss!

[@unityedits3722]

Your thoughts on Loki's character make me want to hear what you'd think of the Danny Phantom special: Ultimate Enemy, as ir deals with a similar theme of "What if I could look into my future? If I could, how would that affect the choices I make in my current life? And is the person I'm seeing someone I'm okay with becoming?"

[@elizabethrainbolt9443]

The only thing that would have taken this video to the next level - including the clip of the branch Loki finding out he is responsible for his mother's death.

[@tomboyhns2643]

I watched y’all’s video about Movie Loki on Cinema Therapy and I was really hoping to get something about the Loki show. Love it! Thank you! 😁

[@KxNOxUTA]

Ohbso that's where the crocodile Loki comes from 😂🐊 Thank you very much for the summary! I'm not into watching anything superhero at the moment. But Tom gives off the impression of being a lovely person asides of being an awesome actor. So that's a curious thing to know of, if I pick up watching those again. That said, the part of getting annoyed by different versions of yourself is so.... 😂 any retrospective person with some imagination!

[@rachelesbenshade2860]

That thumbnail is 👌🏻 Also, first!

[@michelottens6083]

I really can't watch more of these marvel films, especially stretched out to t.v. length. But I do love, and find fascinating, that all the series' antiheroes seem to be in therapy now.

[@mbmckedits]

Beautiful work. Can we get #Sylvie, too. She's a war veteran and has a lot of issues

[@beccas588]

Seriously thought you said “Hiddleston got grey hair, great actor” as of the only great actors are the ones with grey hair

[@kathleensmith8969]

Love this!

[@GaiaShield]

When he sees his brother begging for his death to be another trick I lose it. 😭😭😭😭😭

[@julieaubutgaudet4403]

Love this! We don't have to let people hurt us just because they hurt but we can still have compassion for their pain. I think it's why so many of us love redemption arcs. We all make mistakes, sometimes big ones and we want to know we can change and be better. Out of the first three Marvel Disney+ series, Loki was my favorite!!

[@user-em4vz2wc8h]

Loved it!!

[@erikkennedy8725]

I need to rewatch Loki.

[@carmen_says_hi]

That first episode packs a punch with these scenes!

[@Tman001100]

Also, can you do a Therapized for Thanos? Lol...I feel like Thanos is complex enough and has his own issues that he needed to work on, as well right? 🤣🤔

[@jacobjosefsberg7824]

No way this character development happens this fast. After this he's a totally different person. That is not how people work

[@brianbortner5962]

There are way too many characters in Marvel... but I want to point out that "Morbius" is a vampire, and Owen Wilson's character is "Mobius" 😃

[@tigristhelynx7224]

Then Loki falls in love with the female version of himself. Can't get anymore narcissistic than that, tbh. But, by being a Loki, she's the only one who truly understands that he's not the villain archetype that everyone claims he is and that he keeps his frailty and fear of being forever loveless hidden deep inside. I think early on, his dad put that villain archetype onto him, and eventually Loki decided to fit the mold instead of fight it. That's why he holds onto her so tightly I think. He wants so badly to be accepted and understood, and if he's not there by her side, then he'll be alone, misunderstood, hated and shunned by whoever surrounds him. He found a good thing and desperately wants to keep it. Such a great character arch.

[@iwasagoodwife2270]

Thanks for covering LOKI! Only one thing I disagree with - Odin said he loved Loki...well, did he though??

[@carmen_says_hi]

He said, "I love you, my sons." I really do think he should have said more to Loki before he died. Loki deserved so much more from him.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

He's crazy. More than a bag of cats

[@Aever1988]

How often do people like Loki change? I feel like most stay in their "I am great, love and adore me" bubble while continuing to hurt others because it's easier

[@Tman001100]

Love you and your take on Loki and like some, maybe many, I've become more Team Loki over the years the more I understood his motivations and his growth 🥰 Also in the Loki series, him watching the time playback of his life after his assisted breakout from Asgard dungeons with Thor is my favorite scene in all the series because in a different way from his original MCU timeline, he realizes he needs to do things differently and that his father and brother do truly love him

[@alternativapensante]

Drawing boundries and letting yourself being vulnerableare not necesarily a dicotomy

[@Liquessen]

I have my... reservations about this show. For one, I kept wondering why Loki believes what the TVA shows him about his other's future. He's still a conniving lil shit, a trickster, why would he trust these images so fast?

[@carmen_says_hi]

Good question. I think because Loki's seen how different the TVA is from his reality. The infinity stones are useless there. Also, I think the scenes he sees from his other life are completely plausible. He got caught on Earth and was going to be sent to Asgard. Even if he wasn't responsible for his mother's death (which I don't believe he was), he still loved her and would want revenge on whoever killed her. Deep down he knows Thor loves him and, given time, he would make amends with him and fight alongside him again. He might have been truly surprised to actually hear Odin say he loved him after all Loki did. My two cents.

[@MissPooslie]

Do you think you’ll ever do a video in Bucky’s therapist from tFatWS? She seems so terrible and damaging to him.

[@Ka16Ky28]

Wow! So deep!

[@funfings842]

Could you please do one of these on the Cobra Kai series??

[@MendedLight]

I think that can be arranged :)

[@funfings842]

@@MendedLight YASSSS 😁 My friend very recently got me into Cobra Kai, and then i wiped it out in a week. I got so so much out of it, i literally sent my friend multiple essays analysing each of characters 😂. I dont think he has read it, and i dont blame him because it is a lotttt, but yeah it was so much fun. It would be amazing to see what your take on it is

[@Valdagast]

But how do I forgive myself for what I have done?

[@mschrisfrank2420]

There’s no easy answer for this. Following a ten step program outline helped me. As did recognizing that I did the best I could in the moment with what I knew and had then. Make amends where you can and commit to growing forward.

[@carmen_says_hi]

That's a good question. Maybe a therapist can help with that. I hope you find peace.

[@DoremiFasolatido1979]

I've never understood that phrase, "a leopard can't change its spots." What do the spots have to do with its behaviors? Also, presumably, some of them can go "gray" over time and fade to the point where they become unnoticeable (unlikely, but not impossible). Regardless, it's just another one of those stupid turns of phrase that gives the impression that people are special and animals aren't. . Neither are special, because sentience isn't special. Anything that is alive, at all, is fundamentally sentient, capable, to some degree, of sensing itself and its surroundings, and distinguishing between them. Sapience is the important factor, and that requires active and consistently predictive decision-making, something humans are not capable of. Humans are as enslaved by their subconscious as any other animal. We just have more window dressing for the results. But our decision-making is absolutely no different at all, than that of any other beast, and until we either "evolve" so that our brains operate in the reverse of their current format, or we deliberately modify ourselves to be so, that will not, and cannot, be changed. . The problem is, that doesn't mean we're stuck being assholes. We can learn to a limited extent, and we can modify our behaviors to a similarly limited extent, accordingly. People are far too black and white on that kind of issue, and others. Sometimes it goes one way, sometimes another. And some people actually can't change, just as some people are insane and incapable of consistent behavior at any level. It all depends on a variety of factors, but mostly physiology as determined by genetics, physical trauma, chemicals, or germs that affect the brain. There's no software...everything about thought is a matter of structure and composition of the brain. There is nothing beyond that.

[@johnwalker1058]

Agreed. It's just a bad turn of phrase based on the logical fallacy of "apples-to-oranges comparison." As you pointed out, how does one compare a leopard's spots to the actions of a person's behavior?

[@barbarasmith7432]

Mobius, not Morbius. Different characters.

[@ange76prkr]

@MendedLight I feel like if it wasn't for your channel I'd probably still be in a cycle of self blame and indulging in self destructive behaviours. I want to be free to be myself and independent.

[@VampyressVA]

Loki is an INFJ gone bad. ONE OF US

[@valeriajoselinamadorrenter6212]

React to Wanda Maximoff I really think she need therapy

[@gracieb.3054]

*Mobius.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

Mobius not morbius. morbius is a different character.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

what growth? He's just letting himself get bossed around by slyve.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

why not hurt who hurt you instead of anyone else?

[@AuthorA97]

It’s Mobius, not Morbius Other than that, really enjoyed the video. Loved it in cinema Therapy and loved it again here

[@ayabaheera]

Owen Wilson's character is MOBIUS. Morbius is the upcoming Vampire hero.

[@TheFansOfFiction]

Yeah, like a mobius strip :)