LOKI: TVA Double Standard: Why Loki & Not Avengers or Thanos?

[@AlSween]

I like how Loki repeatedly tries to stand on higher ground when talking to people. Even before going into the room with Mobius he stopped at the top of the ramp. He also tried to stand up during their conversation to make a point. However, when he got humbled, he was sitting on the ground while Mobius was standing.

[@ZyliceLiddell]

*LOVE* this! 😭👏

[@rheageorge2902]

Wow

[@claudiaverena9228]

This deserves a like!

[@ghost_cities]

It’s part of the ✨illusion✨

[@nabongobong9155]

Nice observation

[@EricShoesmith]

They need to make a “What if” episode where the TVA arrest Thanos.

[@lukemighty4063]

Or a “What if” the TVA didn’t exist.

[@jacobm7827]

There would be some pretty one sided conversations given that Thanos's entire army is dust.

[@IzukuMidoriya-zb4ke]

@@jacobm7827 stark: "well he did it first"

[@otaviocamanho1135]

Well, they get beaten by a single Loki, you can even say its an experienced variant and what not, but good luck catching thanos

[@mochachino56]

There is a reason they dont arrest thanks and avengers, because they cant

[@sarlon51]

Personally, i think that Loki escaping was actually meant to happen. I think that someone high up in the chain of command, possibly one of the time keepers themselves, fudged the flow of time just enough so that particular variant of Loki could escape, thus leading Loki right into Mobius's hands where he could help the TVA take down the evil Loki. I mean seriously, if you put the tesseract at Loki's feet, he is going to pick the damn thing up.

[@notmephisto1375]

Or maybe it's Kang who manipulated this, using Loki as his pawn for his own diabolical means.

[@jonathanhadden7157]

Absolutely!

[@summertyme5748]

You’re all right in the sense of taking the TVA with a grain of salt. They are unreliable sources of information. If you assume Judge Renslayer is Judge Judy, doing justice on behalf of benevolent God of time, then…. 😆 Okay……..

[@moondancerdrake5028]

Since I don't trust the TVA at all I can absolutely see this happening

[@professorx3060]

Maybe according to Timekeepers Tesseract was supposed to go to Thor's feet, and then he would teleport himself and Loki to Asgard. But probability influenced this event and Tesseract came to Loki's possession. Cause if I understand correctly, only timelines of infinity stones are fixed and everything else is flexible.

[@bracesforme3]

Loki is so popular, marvel can't keep him dead. He's just too great.

[@ramibendaoud6654]

He's my favourite mcu character

[@bracesforme3]

@@ramibendaoud6654 he's definitely one of my top favorites too.

[@s3a3m34]

I think the time keepers are going to bring him back idk how tho but they will

[@Ptheplayermdjnjdn]

@@s3a3m34 I hope the timekeepers get killed

[@GodOfDestructionVegeta27]

Too**

[@lukemighty4063]

If Loki didn’t take the tesseract, Tony wouldn’t have had the scene where he met with his dad. The TVA didn’t stop that branch of time.

[@mrcritical6751]

Could be that normally the Tesseract is meant to be grabbed by Thor. Makes sense that none of the people on that particular part of the heist would want to mess with him

[@shamiksinha4808]

Exactly my point! Hope they explain that aswell in future episodes!

[@shamiksinha4808]

Okay I get that loki wasn't "supposed" to pick the tesseract up According to the TVA but, well, afterall he did and that led to formation of an alternate time line. So now weren't Tony, Cap and Scott IN that alternate time line? Wouldn't they also get reset when the Minutemen reset the the alternate timeline? AND were Tony and Cap "supposed" to go back further in time to get the space stone according to the TVA? Because if that were true then it would only have happened because they lost the tesseract to loki🤷

[@bradstieger7221]

Just because the tesseract was meant to be lost in that timeline so they would have to go to the 70’s to get it and get it from Tony’s dad doesn’t mean Loki was necessarily supposed to take it

[@sophiawilson8696]

Tony didnt keep the gem stone.

[@johnl9763]

What stuck out to me is Renslayer says to him "It's not your story, Mr Laufison. It never was." Which is true. He was always part of someone else's story. But now it IS his story. Is it possible Loki's true destiny is to be the chaos that a strict bureaucracy can't have? That Loki's true glorious purpose exists outside of time.

[@tripleg2513]

I think that was supposed to be to everyone because we all see ourselves as the center of our story when we really aren't the center of anything.

[@CrankyGrandma]

I like this!

[@Natta44]

I agree I always think this, as Loki is supposed to be an agent of change in mythology and he is always reborn. I have this cannon where he was never supposed to die permanently in IW, he was supposed to survive. But Kang needed him dead so he couldn't continue to mess up Kangs control as Loki is unpredictable. The universe needs chaos, so many many lokis keep trying to break free leading to pruning. However this time Kang allowed him and Sylvie to get to him for the next stage of his plan.

[@chraketcm8608]

I never liked the "cap lives in the background" version of his second life, but given how TVA work, I think it is a good explanation now. Perhaps Cap did try to alter and prevent all those events, free Bucky etc. but these created variant Steves that the TVA pruned, since it would alter the sacred timeline. I now think both interpretations of Steve's time travel second life are equally plausible now.

[@DareMurdok]

imagine a bunch of variant Steves teaming up to fix history - All Captains Squad!

[@felixfeliciano7011]

Or the TVA showed up, gave him the whole "Stay retired - or else" speech, and left him where he was. I can see an Old Cap being branded R.E.D.

[@notmephisto1375]

You see Bruce Banner was right.

[@LeVidocq]

It's still wildly out of character for Steve. He doesn't passively take orders when lives are at stake.

[@bobbysworld281995]

@@LeVidocq it would also meet with the "the future can never changed, you're just somewhere else", either Steve can't alter big stuff or all he does cannot exist until he places the stones in order.

[@tbwlhctd]

I think all TVA workers were variants, and after deemed "not guilty" their minds were wiped and that's why they think that they always were in TVA, and agent Mobius talking about Jet Ski-s, i think he loved it in his real life

[@tbwlhctd]

I was right

[@oracletv1557]

@@tbwlhctd damn, you're good!

[@stardustlight8630]

@@tbwlhctd tell us more of your wisdom wise one ( XD )

[@thereisnofinishline5773]

@@tbwlhctd Are you a Time-keeper?

[@Cap_Pool6180]

@@tbwlhctd Sus ARE YOU KANG OR SOMETHING???

[@shironasama0445]

Loki: “Supposed to happen according to who?” “To Kevin Feige of course”

[@DonEBrooke32]

well, the TVA aren't particularly a fan of Thanos. maybe the TVA had some sorta bargain with the Eternals, and they said "Thanos must not live" or something like that. TVA allowed Thanos to snap away half of existence, because it was meant to be; and then they needed the Avengers to bring that other half back; but five years after the fact. also, you can bet your sweet back end that, if the Avengers didn't take all the stones back to their places of origin, the TVA would be hauling them in as well.

[@blablablacksheep4]

I hope that Kevin is one of the Time Keepers

[@ridzuanmustaffa]

The middle time keeper looks like feige

[@trentsoto6852]

@@blablablacksheep4 that would be hilarious like not even dressed up in costume like it’s genuinely just Kevin in a Loki baseball cap just chilling in space

[@thestoryfactory8429]

You know, it would be awesome if the female figure is actually Sif (it's not, but it would be awesome), who has declared war on the TVA and is collecting resets to try and restore Asgard to its pre-Hela state.

[@LW1Tok]

I hope this all ends with Loki totally dismantling the TVA.

[@Justin-ui5ti]

Oh yeah, the "villian" Loki that the TVA is hunting is probably going to tear the entire organization apart. If 2012 Loki talks with his counterpart and is convinced to join.....RIP TVA.

[@computerscience473]

@@Justin-ui5ti Lol, you just predicted Episode 2

[@fieldy409]

The whole nuking the universe thing seems pretty awful. Do the TVA just genocide universes regularly?

[@marlonestrella8105]

@@fieldy409 unfortunately no matter how we look at it, evil has to exist in order for there to be good. Death has to exist in order to have life. It is probably the worst thing to accept but the saying “necessity is the mother of all inventions” as all that is evil brought the best and worst of life….

[@azznnj]

@@Justin-ui5ti i think you're a variant with that prediction. LMAAOOO TVAA WYA!!

[@Ryoshi-z]

i think its because Kang runs the TVA, he needed the avengers to stop Thanos but Loki will some how mess up his plan. this might be a stretch as well but what if the TVA city is actually Chronopolis and thats the city we saw in the quantum realm in Antman n the wasp

[@MaleusMaleficarum]

my thoughts exactly... Loki presents a threat... multiple Loki's are even better... errr... i mean worse. Totally meant to say worse. MUAHAHAHA

[@hellodumplings8564]

Lol here comes the over stretched theories that’ll be dismissed with a boner joke

[@carnage3814]

Ummm 69 likes.... Nice!

[@barbried0ll]

I agree, I am SO skeptical of the TVA!

[@thefoeofdrip1184]

@@paulam5123 The Quantum Realm is outside of time and space too.

[@Shearper2]

"everytime someone tries to end a war before it starts, innocent people die." Steven Rogers - Age of Ultron if Steve lives by those words, then yeah, he would probably sit back and let things play out as if he had no knowledge of them

[@annejeppesen160]

Or he knows that if he interferes, the world in which he got the opportunity to go back in time will no longer exist, he won't be able to go back and will then cease to exist

[@apIthletIcc]

That's a good point. For a STL to even exist it would have to propped up by other timelines that serve as anchors. So WandaVision and defeating Ultron had to happen, for all of this to stay afloat. The only issue is, by the fact all of that happened, branches potentially would exist for every major decision leading up to either of those points. Nexus events btw don't have to be officially declared nexus events, to have bearing on kangs plans. He certainly knew about more Nexus events that he never gave his subordinates a heads up on. Which that all just supports the idea that Kang also had no clue wtf he was really doing. He only knows that there is a threshold and how to get there from many instances of trial and error.

[@ravenlord4]

It's option 3. TVA just has its own agenda and does (or tries to do) whatever it wants.

[@colonelb]

Ok here's an idea. Maybe the TVA is less concerned w/ PEOPLE and more concerned w/ the INFINITY STONES. Loki Variant brought w/ him a Tesseract Variant, and maybe THAT is what the REAL problem was. (Evidenced partly by the drawer of infinity stones). The avengers weren't in trouble b/c they put the stones back, but Loki introduced another copy of the space stone and maybe it's "alternate infinity stones" that cause multiverse problems moreso than "alternate people" - which would explain why Cap didn't break any rules going back to Peggy, etc. Thoughts?

[@IceCold_Carter]

Sounds reasonable, having an infinity stone definitely can break reality and mess up timelines bc they are powerful especially when you have them all...the same reason why Thanos was supposed to see the Living Tribunal in deleted scene

[@philipmartin3411]

@@IceCold_Carter wasn't actually supposed to see him, it was just a vision in the mind that /strange did to throw him off, which confused test audiences for some dumb reason and so they removed it

[@nevil6412]

Hulk fans : ohh they nerfed down hulk Infinity stones : hold my paper

[@THEWZRD1]

Infinity Stones don't work outside their universe so is it really a nerf

[@elitemook4234]

@@THEWZRD1 Except when doctor strange used the time stone outside of his universe to defeat dormammu.

[@gawainethefirst]

Those Hulk fans need to reread the Hulk titles prior to Onslaught.

[@nevil6412]

@nehaal khalid isn't dark dimension present in the space between universes.. But i agree.. The stone may have worked because he came to earth

[@bobbysworld281995]

Bruh, a famous Marvel vs DC fight shows Darkseid knowing the stones do not work if they're away from their universe.

[@JohnFoley1701]

Those little time grenades they use to “reset” the timeline just destroy the entire universe in that timeline. Those timelines still exist, they’re just neutralized by having nothing in them. This prevents powers from arising in those universes that can challenge the power of the TVA and the time keepers. The “sacred” timeline is the timeline that won the multiversal war. It’s only sacred because it is the one that ultimately produces the time keepers and the TVA. It’s only tautologically sacred. Only events that lead to the existence of the time keepers are a part of it.

[@MrZomg17]

Thst makes perfect sense

[@FirstLast-kp9jx]

That's kind of scary to be honest.

[@blackdahliagaming4696]

What's interesting is how the TVA is responsible for the scarlet witch when you think of all the things that "had to happen" for wanda to become the scarlet witch. And how thanos was the one to fulfill the darkhold prophecy and "forge" the scarlet witch and the only way that could happen is if thanos won by killing vision, and the avengers lost but then avenged everyone and brought Wanda back. Which is all part of the "sacred timeline"

[@philipmartin3411]

Yep, exactly, they are power hungry and afraid to lose their power

[@osyrisking5437]

This is a great point. Conveniently, by preventing multiverses to thrive, they are constantly reducing and controlling the amount of nexus beings that can exist at one time, constantly ensuring they remain in power. And its quite clear by the decorations of their base that remaining in power and having complete authority over the dictation of time is just as important to these people as the order they claim to procure. Logically, it shows that this rogue loki who is killing their agents, is most likely not on board with their form of order for one reason or another, and the lokis will probably work together to change this.

[@thomasblackcraft]

This is one of those stories where every event was orchestrated from the beginning…lol.

[@apexoftheworld6927]

It was TVA all along~

[@ApplePi1]

Not necessarily; they just added things where they could fit

[@gpaderx6105]

@@ApplePi1 yeah, not necessarily TVA, but the writers in the prvious MCU movies before just reserve a space in the story for this events to come soon, and here we are

[@ApplePi1]

@@gpaderx6105 I agree with you

[@ebyCooked]

It’s more or less like legends of tomorrow season 1

[@TheScreamingMime]

The fact that Gamora isn't considered a variant is strong evidence that it's all BS.

[@josequezada8326]

I think there just trying to capture every loki from every timeline.

[@gardner77]

BS?

[@erfinyuga229]

@@gardner77bullshit

[@blucipher83]

Anyone else find it weird Loki's prison jumpsuit comes with pockets? Yeah I'd say their system is flawed.

[@BS-pd9hk]

He’s not in prison.

[@lyndsaybrown8471]

They make jumpsuits just to vaporize them. The TVA doesn't think things through, they're just doing to bidding of someone who did.

[@TVnater]

@@lyndsaybrown8471 I feel like that was something of a logical and illogical idea. Logical to take the variants out of their normal clothes in case they are dangerous (like prisons and jails), while also illogical because I'm sure someone wanted to make sure they weren't dehumanizing variants before they were ultimately vaporized. Humans can humanize anyone and anything, so that makes sense to me.

[@ArinJager1]

they have pockets to keep the ticket in, duh >:D (jk, btw)

[@yourboyg3o818]

That’s what mattered the most out of everything that happened that’s what you had a problem with

[@tyrelbass]

They should Introduce Deadpool to the mcu by having the TVA put him on trail for when he was time traveling in Deadpool 2 😂

[@philipmartin3411]

that would be f*cking hilarious. and he could be like, Well if I had been with the avengers, mabye this wouldn't have happened

[@Tam4iAngel]

yes

[@secondgiygas4599]

and they can't prune him due to his healing factor, lol

[@philipmartin3411]

@@secondgiygas4599 I feel like the pruning process would work on him, especially since the disintegration is within seconds, especially if he has his collar on

[@mikl12354]

They wont, for 1 deadpool is so r rated its passed x rating lmao (yes ik) i mena they could do funny censorships that only deadpool is aware of. But theyd have to get permission from the production company that does the deadpool movies

[@sebb1241]

Can’t wait to see the TVA crumble apart, they all seem stuck up thinking they can control all of time. Wanda, Kang and Loki bout to ruin their whole career

[@6dayzofchaos584]

Unless it is the Vision at the end of time controlling all of them so he and Wanda can be together forever!!!

[@roussaeum]

Or kang is possibly one of the time keepers meaning he is the one behind the tva

[@roussaeum]

Or kang is possibly one of the time keepers meaning he is the one behind the TVA just my opinion

[@6dayzofchaos584]

@@roussaeum Yeah, Kang is the safest bet. but we have Galactus and Doom puls the supernatural guys. Adam Warlock and Nova. The god butcher. And all hinted at coming in one time line. gonna be fun crazy

[@QueenMegaera]

Headcanon: when Steve landed in the 40's (or whenever it was when he met up with Peggy), the TVA dropped in and took him aside saying "ok, you get a hallpass, but if you try to change ANYTHING we'll erase you from existence and you won't get to watch your homeboys getting along and kicking a** in the future."

[@ndirish7124]

Or they allowed him to do whatever he wants but then returns him to the scared timeline and reset everything he changed

[@DarkbladeDuelist]

That would make sense especially with the whole Steve Rodgers was just chillin' and not doing anything to upset history that he knew about because he had been in the future.

[@claudiaverena9228]

Because the script demanded it :) Poor Loki! And he did not even have a lawyer. This is a case for an appeal due to unfair trial :)

[@pinaka5461]

TVA is 100% right

[@TVnater]

Sadly, considering the setup of the TVA it seems like there is no lawyers because the crime is definite and unquestionable. To the TVA every variant is guilty, and there's no need to debate. I mean the other person we saw was executed before his trial, to have that much freedom means that the 'trial' doesn't really need or have to happen.

[@proximashining776]

@@TVnater 100% agree. The trials are a sham. TVA probably only does the trials to create an illusion that justice is served, while in fact the opposite is true.

[@ArinJager1]

@@proximashining776 "the trials are a sham" just like in the real world

[@wesleywallace4426]

I thought it would be great if Loki could call Heimdall and Thor would go busting down doors with Odin staring down the Time Keepers across space time. One of the rare moments where the Asgardians are actually united.

[@LtKaiser]

I can totally see TVA being an evil organization or atleast flawed. Don't know if Mobius is in on it too but I hope he isn't. I like him. I feel Loki will bring down the TVA. Like he said, "I'm gonna burn this place to the ground". Perhaps this will be one of the reasons behind the Multiverse of Madness in Doctor Strange 2.

[@ArinJager1]

well, it has "multiverse" in the title, it comes out after the Loki miniseries conclude... TVA opposes the multiverse, they have that "sacred timeline" of theirs... it also has "madness" in the title, so, things are gonna get crazy, well, they better, right? (but I really doubt that it's gonna have much of a significance or importance, because they did say that the movies have to be made watchable and make sense even if you haven't seen any of these series like WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and of course: Loki)

[@negyt7665]

I've been thinking for a while about how badass a series could be about Steve and Peggy running from the TVA post WWII And of course by TVA, I'm referring to the Tennessee Valley Authorities.

[@Hattersplatter]

Something akin to the adjustment bureau with matt damon

[@DMDrew]

As a Tennessee valley citizen, I will say this is no joke 😂😂😂 they will get you

[@sophiawilson8696]

Steve went back to Peggy in 1948.

[@Derk2k3M1]

@@DMDrew No doubt...just ask those kids caught standing on one of the locks in Wilson Dam!

[@WeAreTheNation]

1949, per the screenplay

[@777Thibs]

Loki 'not being approved' is likely a ruse. The TVA needs him, and if they did not he would have been reset.

[@shamiksinha4808]

One thing I don't understand, Okay I get that loki wasn't supposed to pick the tesseract up but, well, afterall he did and that led to formation of an alternate time line. So now weren't Tony, Cap and Scott IN that alternate time line? Wouldn't they also get reset when the Minutemen reset the the alternate timeline? AND were Tony and Cap "supposed" to go back further in time to get the space stone according to the TVA? Because if that were true then it would only have happened because they lost the tesseract to loki🤷

[@ApplePi1]

Same, might be explained in a future episode of Loki

[@The-Cole-Train]

EXACTLY!

[@maekshift5096]

This is exactly why time travel is so hard to write, maybe you close one loophole but there’s always something that doesn’t make sense lmao

[@raheemgilliam2224]

That’s because Steve returned tesseract back to its original time line once the Avengers were done with them

[@lordvika2526]

Actually i think everything was happening until Loki picked up the tesseract, like once Hulk knocked down the future Tony and he would have dropped the case with the tesseract, and would have had to go back further in time. Remember the second he dropped the case and the tesseract spilled out, their mission there was done because they had no way of getting it back at that point, reguardless if Loki or someone else picked up the tesseract The reset would have been Loki not picking up the tesseract and someone else picking it up, and Loki going to asguard jail

[@tlac4120]

I think the avengers SAVED the sacred timeline. So their crimes were forgiven. Loki and his variants are always a possible danger to the sacred timeline. To control one of them and defeat the other ones with him is their way of cancelling possible danger. Thanos is dead and had no interests in other timelines. Steve is sitting on the moon right now chatting with the living tribunal. His punishment and the way to keep him from interacting with anyone till his death.

[@dusk7642]

am I the only one in love with the Loki soundtrack?

[@albertdoesart8334]

No

[@ArinJager1]

gotta love the synths ^^ (also the fallout-esque retro futurism style, I dig that a lot)

[@apIthletIcc]

Kang wanted Loki to be taken to the TVA and kept alive. That's kinda his plan all along. The way we mostly view the 'pruning' is backwards. Those pruned are given another chance to just do the same things over and over whereas Loki given that chance would never do the same over and over, which is a hundred percent the reason Kang needed him OUT of the STL, with his 'free will' seemingly 'compromised'. Ironic that his true glorious purpose was to be catalyst to Kang's now ever-enduring glory.

[@wrath5454]

If Kang is one of the space lizard then it makes sense for him to approve Avengers action because it might be necessary for him to be born since he is a decendend of Tony stark . This explains why TVA approves the actions of Avengers

[@DareMurdok]

Depends if they follow the comics or not - MCU Kang could be involved in the TVA some how as a Time Keeper alien god but in the comics he's a human descended from Reed Richards - and is named after Reed's father - Nathaniel Richards - who is a time traveller

[@oluwadamilola6233]

@@DareMurdok i thought he is descended from Dr doom? I mean even doom thought he was his great ,great ,great grandpa in his recent series

[@101Mant]

@@oluwadamilola6233 he could be both, people have a lot of ancestors.

[@MixdReactions]

I think kang runs the tva and he calls it the sacred timeline because this is the only timeline where tony is forced to create time travel.

[@philipmartin3411]

hes a descendant of Reed Richards

[@koaltrain_tv1439]

I like the idea that Tony didn’t actually kill Thanos and his army, but he just sent them back to their time.

[@majintv24]

The issue is they may have replicated the time machine tech and pym particles as thats how they may have brought their whole army there. Itd make sense for thanos to be able to make it possible to travel again even without the help on the other end

[@sunnatxayrullayev396]

They turned into powder

[@mrj4082]

No, tony just snapped them to the soul world like thanos snapped them in infinity war

[@nick.19]

@@mrj4082 they never appeared in the soul world tho.

[@mrj4082]

@@nick.19 How do you know?

[@davidcrosby3231]

How did Dr Strange check so many alternate futures when theres actually only 1 set future?

[@laquanbaileyjr7576]

Damn I didn't even think about that

[@fantasticassassin5885]

That is a good question but if strange seen these possibilities it could be part of the timeline for him to see possible outcomes and ultimately pick the one he chose which led to him giving the time stone away which set off the rest of infinity war and endgame.

[@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu]

That's what I thougth watching the episode. What did Strange see in those fitures?

[@bkabs2242]

Because it's all shit.....the sacred timeline is just made up

[@jacobdean4833]

He had to find the right path... The right option to go down.

[@L-Rod]

Calling it now. Kang the conqueror is behind this TVA and "sacred timeline"

[@MixdReactions]

Agreed. Kang calls it the sacred timeline because this is the timeline where tony created time travel. Without time travel, Kang never rises to power

[@KratosGaming300]

Correct

[@upper_crust9823]

Lmao u r right

[@nigel9533]

Disney needs to pay you because you’re making good shows great for the casual marvel fan

[@apidas]

but they don't

[@sarcasticrayofsunshine75]

But they do

[@ahmed786uk]

In the 14million possibilities seen by dr strange, did he know that Loki would escape? Would he have seen it? Because if there was only 1 outcome where they win, then doesn’t that mean Loki had to teleport out with the mind stone? Aka it was meant to happen???

[@redgiant7747]

Maybe Cap coming BACK to the original timeline is what clipped the branch? Kinda seems like he specifically came back to the moment he left...so maybe in a weird loop thingy it all solved itself?

[@djshado]

Maybe knowing cap was going to return to the original timeline they let him live his life and then reset it when he left

[@redgiant7747]

@@djshado oh shoot yeah that makes a lot of sense you’re an actual genius how did I not think of that

[@nickwright3362]

I think there’s an easier answer here, Loki is arrested because he removed the Tessaract from its destined path, and when the avengers took the stones, Steve Rodgers put them right back as if they never left, but Loki’s stone was never returned so he’s changing the timeline

[@dannnarutam]

this 👆

[@Ronindan1]

Steve Rogers staying in the past to stay with Peggy does not affect the timeline as long as he does not interfere with how events were to unfold. After all, he was frozen for 70 plus years initially.

[@pinaka5461]

Yes it's actually solved every problem

[@sinjun1973]

His interactions with other people effect everything. Whether he's Cap or not his presence effects things a great deal.

[@Twinned_with_Jim]

The TVA said people’s lives are all mapped out. Cool. But how could Dr Strange view different outcomes in Infinity War? 14,000,605 to be precise. Is it mapped out? Or we’re all the outcomes in different realities?

[@chadgosier4999]

Well if you look at it like this Dr. strange only saw the possible outcomes in that realities future not the future of all the others realities outcomes

[@3lialshai5]

If Loki wasn’t meant to escape and he created a diversion from the sacred timeline But wouldn’t thanos from 2014 going to 2023 also create a diversion from the sacred timeline that needs to be reset ?

[@brucelau2023]

Yes I absolutely agree with u on that standpoint

[@tangy_noodles52]

No because he came thru the time machine, from one time to another like the Avengers, loki didn't obey proper time laws so it works differently (for some reason).

[@endz_3761]

The 2014 one in the future ------> 2023 died and the 2014 one who travel into the future aslo died so what's the point since TVA knows everyone's future?

[@JNel77]

Only if it wasn’t “supposed to happen. “ I’m pretty sure that’s how they keep from painting themselves into a corner.

[@3lialshai5]

@@tangy_noodles52 yeah but when he left 2014 that resulted in a creation of a different timeline than the sacred timeline

[@MrZomg17]

Speaking of Nexus...Loki DID say to Thor during the events of Dark World " I know pathways that even YOU don't know about" ...a sign that he might have Nexus abilities.

[@endurian2160]

*Fans theorizing what happened to those alternate timelines created in Endgame Time Heist* TVA: haha reset charge go brrrr

[@siddharth_0771]

Steve fixed those timelines

[@6dayzofchaos584]

Right. The mere existence of the TVA means no alt timelines, no multiverse. The TVA erases the variant timeline every time but with Loki. I think Loki is caught in a multiverse time loop. Like this Loki is an origin story for the Loki he will be chasing.

[@BD-zs5zd]

@@6dayzofchaos584 its also kinda lame in my opinion because the TVA is apparently all powerful all knowing and they "allow" the events of their sacred timeline to happen. So everything happanes because the TVA allows it which is just really fuckin lamd

[@Firefly139]

@@6dayzofchaos584 Not exactly. The Time Keepers unified the multiverse under the *_banner_* of ‘The Scared Timeline’ to ensure each reality maintains it’s own proper flow of time. The TVA’s job is to monitor those universes and prevent branches from forming so another multiverse war doesn’t occur. The Loki we know is chasing a variant Loki from another reality who’s causing branches across the multiverse.

[@Wolfpac4life]

@@Firefly139 Yeah Loki, WandaVision, and Dr.Strange all seem to be setting up for Secret Wars 🙏

[@DonEBrooke32]

and of course, Thanos died by the Avengers' hand in Endgame. either his death did the deed for the TVA, or they knew that was supposed to happen.

[@TheBrob1983]

They do state in the episode that the avengers were supposed to go back so they werent really meddling,it was meant to be.

[@adriancortes8558]

@@TheBrob1983 yeah but tony dropping the time stone wasnt

[@TheBrob1983]

@@adriancortes8558 correct but they went further back to get it which put the avengers back on track leaving loki as only one out of place

[@DonEBrooke32]

@@adriancortes8558 Oi. Laddie. it was the *space* stone, not the time stone. 🙄

[@adriancortes8558]

@@DonEBrooke32 ik lol I keep having the time stone on my mind a lot for some reason

[@thefxplays7450]

My head canon: The TVA allowed Cap to live his life in that timeline, cuz our boi deserved it, and once he left they just did their whole reset thing

[@pinaka5461]

Cap lives his life in secred timeline, and it's importantly very necessary.

[@Callibretto1]

More like they let Steve lived in that timeline because the sacred timeline require old Steve to come back. agree with you that they probably reset that timeline after Steve left.

[@pinaka5461]

@@Callibretto1 there is no reset by TVA, cap lives his life is a reset.

[@applepie1272]

I think TVA don't care about that

[@sarlon51]

Thats basically a causal loop paradox. I can totally see that happening.

[@jdsofi4249]

For all you Naruto fans basically the TVA is Black Zetsu

[@PuunCakes]

LMAO FACTS

[@o.gdragon9039]

Lol I just caught on to that

[@ricknick5318]

I'll have to say being on the outside looking in at Loki's story very wronged individual

[@evannovotny]

it’s not it story. it never was.

[@mykieclarke9797]

I think the boy in the church was kid Loki, they caught him trying to escape but assumed he was just a kid. The devil in the window has a blue tongue like the boy and the boy also has green clothing. Just a thought

[@adhithanil8439]

Well that's a good thought I also agree

[@mykieclarke9797]

@@adhithanil8439 the boy is also wearing a green gown, may be a stretch..

[@tangy_noodles52]

Ok so if the T.V.A. prunes Nexus level events, that means that they are gonna have to get involved with Wanda and the hex, maybe even having some part in Multiverse Of Madness

[@DMDrew]

Not if Loki destroys the organization by the end

[@ShotByeCoast]

@@DMDrew there’s gonna be a season 2 though.. so idk if Loki will destroy the TVA before Multiverse of Madness.

[@EternalPayne]

@@DMDrew ikr Doctor Strange 2 is called multiverse of madness for a reason... the TVA will meet they're end in the Finale.

[@dhilipans5412]

@@ShotByeCoast what about managing some parts of it and moebius is the leader

[@tangy_noodles52]

@@DMDrew There is no chance he's even remotely powerful enough to do so, he would literally be fighting time. I think he will still be able to screw with them alot, but he has no chance of defeating them. And also since they know and control all of time, they would know about him defeating them and prune him right away.

[@kalshok1]

Thanos, Gamora and Nebula going to the future DEFINETLY made another time line. There’s no other explanation.

[@josequezada8326]

Especially with 2014 starlord not being able to meet that gamora

[@viejosauce]

The tva deals with people outside their flow of time, not the ones guilty of making them get in a branch timeline

[@MFenix206]

@Liam I'll do you one better, Who is Gamora?!?!?

[@adityarana7334]

@@MFenix206 I'll do YOU one better, why is gamora

[@velshyem2546]

@@adityarana7334 I'll do you better, what is Gamora

[@adityarana7334]

@@velshyem2546 I'll do you one better, when is Gamora

[@EternalPayne]

@@adityarana7334 I'll do you one better where tf is gamora?

[@dentylad_plays7159]

just finished the last eps of loki it was amazing also the reason that thanos and the avengers was meant to happen but only failed because kang the conquer said it would

[@vanaja2038]

Tuesday ends Marvel fans : we have eyes on loki

[@negyt7665]

I understood that reference.

[@Akura359]

My biggest question is shouldn’t Gamora be considered a variant then?

[@adhithanil8439]

True this thing is fcked

[@sad-womeninthehouse4249]

OH SHITTTT RIGHTTTT WHAT HAPPENS TO GAMORA???

[@lucasahn3814]

No, because according to the Time Keepers it was meant to happen.

[@Tucsonwolfman]

I mean it makes sense that they just allow the small stuff, Think about the final scene of episode one, "It's not worth the paperwork."

[@Rigoro-1]

If the avengers never went back in time, loki would have never time traveled. So how are they okay but he isn't?

[@kapoorhouseatl]

loki escaping could have led to the fall of the time keepers since the tva only exists to make sure they still exist at the end of time

[@jdmkIII]

Now, where did Loki put that Timestone he got from Casey's cart? hmmmmm... we'll soon find out. Infinity stones do not work inside TVA, but outside .....

[@dylankeener330]

Is it just me or now that the tva is a thing, I believe they helped cap with the stones the his reward was time with Peggy but his mind gets erased partially so he’s not saving Bucky or anything like that

[@jordanvinson5303]

Cap just leaves out his life in an alternate timeline, then once he returns to his original time the tva prunes that time line. I’m pretty sure that’s what they do with all of these alternate timelines, once the avengers or anyone else for that matter is done interacting with an alternate timeline in a way that is tva approved , they simply destroy that timeline along with that variant or they destroy that timeline and remove that variant.

[@jasonvoorhees310]

So Thanos was supposed to collect all stones and snap half of all living life away.

[@joshuagonzalez4224]

Yes!

[@JNel77]

Yep. And the Avengers were supposed to pull the time heist to fix it. According to the writers.

[@siddharth_0771]

Yes and Avengers were supposed to undo it.

[@MACKAVON]

@xhakaishin_tv they fixed it but it still had lasting ramifications

[@BS-pd9hk]

Watch this turn out to be some kind of stupid life lesson from the TVA saying something like if you don’t watch out for evil like Thanos you could be snapped away so people need to start paying attention in the future having lived through both snaps and now knowing what that means

[@DaKnightsofawesome]

my issue is a simple unanswered question, what was “supposed” to happen? Loki doesnt pick up the tesseract? The avengers grab the tesseract and dont have to go back and grab it in the 70’s? that doesnt make sense

[@philipmartin3411]

Exactly

[@vanessac8193]

Somehow the tesseract can't be grabbed and Loki doesn't escape so Steve and Tony still get their jaunt to see Peggy and Howard. Maybe the tesseract would have transported itself away if it hadn't been touched.

[@lyndsaybrown8471]

They didn't want to see them Thanos thighs. Their loss.

[@vertiac]

The real question here is what makes the sacred timeline so sacred to the Time Keepers? To a cynic the answer comes easy: that's the timeline where they stay in power. That huge Multiversal war Miss Minutes mentioned, that nearly destroyed everything? The Time Keepers won it, and then they formed the TVA to consolidate their power. It's not about making sure the right stuff happens or keeping the timeline orderly. Anytime something happens that could potentially threaten them or their authority as the 'Divine Arbiters of Fate' they declare it a variant and have it pruned, nipping the problem in the bud. They're the true villains, led by Kang the conqueror.

[@michellemarques3238]

Loki is being singled out because of what they know Loki will do on his alternate timeline. The TVA can look at the whole future of all time. Loki's alternate timeline ends with something that disrupts all timelines, so he's being nipped in the bud.

[@protejaystudios]

Well then you'd have to say the same for Thanos

[@Soutar3DG]

@@protejaystudios Except they know that the Avengers end up fixing it, whereas I'm assuming a Loki variant ends up not being stopped by the Avengers or anyone else for that matter, and it takes the TVA themselves stepping in to fix it.

[@michellemarques3238]

@@protejaystudios except Thanos inspired the Avengers to figure out a way to right everything. Just how Mobius shows Loki that by Loki killing Agent Coulson, the Avengers came together as a unit. Thanos and the snap were supposed to happen.

[@Outrageous_Storm]

What if Steve went to live in that alternative life with Peggy but then the TVA reset it after he returned to his timeline.

[@cocobear285]

Shouldn't it have been Steves responsibility to fix the Loki branch as they were aware that they caused that rift. Also why are people being punished for an act that they didn't know was a punishable act.

[@yudhazacharias9377]

Steve was tasked to put the stones back, not to fix events. I think the TVA gets that, so after he's done, they captured Loki and reset that timeline

[@yudhazacharias9377]

For 2012, he returned the Time and Mind Stones, no where near Loki, so Loki would still escape

[@egp014]

If Loki escaping with the Tesseract wasn't suppose to happen in the sacred timeline, then Tony and Steve traveling further back in time for their second attempt at getting the space stone wasn't supposed to happen either. But according to the TVA, it was supposed to happen. The TVA is full of it

[@TimWing23]

Thanos was right. It was destiny that he would get the stones and use them.

[@josequezada8326]

In a stable timeline, yes

[@pyronarf]

Or they monitored Steve Rodgers to make sure he did not interfere with the time line

[@RIO-wz8gq]

How did Dr Strange see the 14000605 alternative time lines if the TVA prune every branch... The timelines wouldn't exist right? It's not adding up, am I missing something?

[@agentmarvel616]

Did anyone else notice the Tesseract dim when Loki entered the TVA? Is the dimming an indication the cosmic magic was nullified? You can also notice the other Infinity Stones are not as bright as normal.

[@EternityinOurHearts316]

The avengers brought all the stone back so they didn't change anything. They don't arrest people who caused time variants they arrest time variants themselves. They would have arrested Thanos but the avengers defeated him first. They probably went to the timeline where Thanos left and reset it back to where Thanos never left.

[@summertyme5748]

Also good post.

[@The_Devil_Breaker_]

People are confusing "The sacred timeline" with "The Multiverse". There are an untold number of universes with different versions of characters, and different events. There are different dimensions with different laws of physics, etc. But there is only ONE timeline of events. Loki was arrested because in all the dimensions and universes, "Loki 616" was never ever ever supposed to escape. His path was always supposed to follow the main MCU events leading up to his death at the hands of Thanos. Loki 616 altered Loki 616's destined path.

[@Mirrorcomics24]

As explained it was meant to happen The tva aren’t for time travelling they’re for events in time that weren’t meant to happen

[@nikosgiant3683]

actually in the end of fist episode they were trying to catch someone in oklahoma who travelled back in time thats what they said!!

[@Mirrorcomics24]

@@nikosgiant3683 I guess but that might be another case where that time travelling wasn’t meant to happen

[@ki22112345]

great video. I think it makes sense that after thanos left his timeline and went into the main timeline the tva pulled up and reset it. That actually solves one of the bigger plot holes in marvel which is sweet. Maybe steve makes a bargain with the TVA to stay incognito cause he put back all the stones and saved the timelines. Love it.

[@howardcox2918]

One more Capt.America movie about Steve returning the stones is so necessary

[@pinaka5461]

He return the stones very smartly

[@BS-pd9hk]

That would be so awesome

[@theilluminatibenefactor]

Anthony Mackie is returning as Captain America in Captain America Four.

[@ArinJager1]

I'd really want to see him giving back the Ether ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@kerutlj]

I think that it’s degrees of variant, you see in the “Danger: Multiverse” gif that some loop back into the main time; I think Cap going back eventually ends in the same'ish result, therefore not worth their trouble

[@ArinJager1]

exactly! they talk about this in the last season of agents of shield (ripples and waves and I don't remember what, it's been a while... sometimes the change is either too small, or it's resolved, anyway, just differently - different path to the same destination kinda thing, "same-ish" as you said... That's ultimately what Cap did by returning the stones back to where they took them from... more or less, it doesn't need to be exact, I think)

[@crypto3203]

And they most likely cant handle a fully powered being like Scarlet Witch or the phoenix force

[@MasqueradeDiva]

This!!!!! 🙌🏾

[@matt_canon]

Scarlet Witch's powers wouldn't work in in the TVA, same as the infinity stones.

[@Wolf-bb1ex]

@@MasqueradeDiva No power works at the tva

[@101Mant]

@@matt_canon Infinity stones don't work outside their universe which they are connected to, but something done or created by one doesn't get undone. It's not the TVA defenses are so great they can stop the stones its a matter of location. Also don't assume that whatever anti magic they have is limitless, it's might be a matter of degree it's powerful enough to stop Loki but it doesn't mean there is no upper limit to what it can stop.

[@bandit7459]

Maybe, maybe not. In the comics? No, The White Phoenix is way above them operating outside time on an omniversal scale in the food chain and outside The one above all, less than a handful of beings would be more powerful. The Scarlet Witch while not nearly as powerful has universal level feats, and chaos magic works differently than traditional magics in marvel. But the MCU? The MCU makes a habit of over nerfing individuals. Loki is a prime example. He is one of the stronger magic users in Marvel, but is knocked around like nothing in the MCU.

[@scotmcpherson]

Quick answer, because they were supposed to. It’s the ones that DIDN’T do those out landing time jumping, universe bending things that would get trimmed because THIS is the timeline and variations that are part of the sacred timeline. There are still variation within the timeline, but they all eventually converge again on an event, place person or time.

[@NoblesseOblige-17]

Yeah, I'm not convinced yet that Marvel can handle a story regarding timelines in a satisfying manner.

[@seanking502]

To be fair “satisfying” is subjective. You may not think it’s satisfying while others do. So what you’re really saying is “I’m not sure marvel can make ME happy yet.” That’s fair too tho, you can’t please everybody.

[@shamiksinha4808]

@Jet Burst One thing I don't understand, Okay I get that loki wasn't supposed to pick the tesseract up but, well, afterall he did and that led to formation of an alternate time line. So now weren't Tony, Cap and Scott IN that alternate time line? Wouldn't they also get reset when the Minutemen reset the the alternate timeline? AND were Tony and Cap "supposed" to go back further in time to get the space stone according to the TVA? Because if that were true then it would only have happened because they lost the tesseract to loki🤷

[@NoblesseOblige-17]

@@seanking502 No, to be more precise, I worry whether they can manage to make it logically consistent.

[@seanking502]

@@NoblesseOblige-17 time travel isn’t real (well atleast not currently possible, meaning we don’t understand it) , there is no real logic behind it. No matter if they nailed the concept it would still seem illogical to anybody that isn’t an expert in the subject

[@rahulravishankar3152]

It helps to look at the terminator franchise to understand this. Kyle Reese going back in time to create John with Sarah was supposed to happen as we see it happen because of Kyle Reese meddling with time. However, if you look at Genesys or Dark Fate, those timelines seem to be branches of the correct timeline from the first two movies. Renslayer referring to the Avengers' heist can be classified as the timeline from the first two terminator movies and Loki's branch can be classified as the the branches from the last 2 terminator movies.

[@amish4134]

Why did tva came after minutes when loki jumped but for Avengers they gave Avengers time to fix it by allowing them to fix the time line

[@darthvader7758]

avengers did promise to return the stone from they were all picked but loki escaping with tesseract was just not correct

[@amish4134]

@@darthvader7758 yeah but I'm just saying maybe loki could have (I know it's not real but for the sake of argument) got hold of time stone and returned the stones but he wasn't even 1 hr tva just came for him in matter of minutes but for Avengers they gave them time to sort it out

[@MACKAVON]

I thought about that as well

[@BagofRicks]

You need to remember one thing... "Time works differently in the TVA".. That mutiversal war they referenced isn't in the past. It's in the future.

[@BOAYang]

The TVA reminds me of those random events that can happen to you in RuneScape.

[@sheahunsinger9801]

Back when they could kill you if you didn’t respond quickly enough

[@griffgames9538]

The Quantum Realm itself represents a wildcard for the Timekeepers as well, although they're fairly confident in their timeline direction at either end of Quantum tunnel travel, which covers 99% of outcomes.

[@somedudewithakeyboard5388]

False, approval and disapproval is the jurisdiction of the mighty Scathan the Celestial Scathan approves this message

[@MrDevolve]

The sacred time-line sounds like the one with the best outcome for whoever is controlling the timeline. They're unravelling the epilogue, which sounds like they'd working backwards to figure out which events need to happen to have everything go the way they want. So if Kang the Konqueror is the force behind the TVA, he's selectively pruning whats needed to keep him in power.

[@ki22112345]

thanos’s timeline that he came from was destroyed by the TVA for sure.

[@thomasgonzales-johnson6298]

We pretty much have confirmation that our theories about time keepers are more than theories, as well as renslayer’s line “go for it.” When Sylvie threatens Loki

[@cayden.m3720]

I was literally arguing about this with my auntie this morning

[@sophiawilson8696]

Lol

[@MichaelAChristian1]

Don't argue with your auntie. Jesus loves you!

[@rolandbujeiro42]

The very existence of the multiverse means that there are multiple time lines running parallel. The TVA doesn't seem to mind that....hmmm🤔. Hence there is no one single correct time-line. They're all correct time-lines.

[@paulcourtemanche3549]

I’ve thought that when tony snapped he sent Thanos back with his and his armies memories wiped.

[@NarutotheSuperSage]

Nah he just erased them completely

[@mrj4082]

Bruh

[@jonathanhadden7157]

Because the 3 Timekeepers ONLY exist thanks to the 1 in 14,000,605 alternate realities that the Avengers chose, so THEIR actions are ABOVE REPROACH!! You saw how quickly the judge shot down even the idea of such nonsense when mentioned by Loki! Loki is a framed pawn, put in motion to bring down the TVA & restore the Multiverse that the TVA is so casually murdering, 1 entire timeline at a time!

[@summertyme5748]

Yes. Every now and then, a smart post that makes me realize why I am scrolling this thread in the 1st place. 👍

[@meatballs7047]

The entire Loki series is just a higher power shattering a God's ego.

[@summertyme5748]

Until he turns the tables on them. What is he, some kind of God of mischief or something?

[@screenzombie1393]

I think the screen writers were right... the old Steve we saw at the end had been in that timeline all along, and he tried to stop the bad things that happened, but the TVA stopped him.

[@TheDuke013]

The TVA only allows time that keeps them in power.

[@sdot7117]

Does anyone else find it odd that the TVA, which oversees the entire Universe, only has humanoid employees? Shouldn’t they have a much more diverse cast of species like in the GOTG films? Seems like a major detail that the writers missed. Very unusual for the MCU.

[@danielzwirn5595]

TVA: Sees all Lokis as a threat. Me: That's Loki-ist.

[@rickmachado2005]

😂🤣😂😅😂

[@arkied3444]

sounds like leftie propaganda but okay

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

About Cap when he put the stones in the right place after End Game, he erased the timeline he lived with Peggy. I do believe that bringing the stones back acts like that time reset dispositive that Evil Loki is farming...