Film Theory: Thanos Tried to Save Us, and Eternals PROVES IT!

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Eternals just came out... and my biggest take away? We were right. We called it years ago. Thanos was right! He tried to save us. And here is how Eternals proves it.
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[@ChippyGaming]

That KZbin top 10 comparison was too real

[@griff1240]

Hey terraria man what you doin here

[@dancmill]

Trueee

[@finalistburrito2499]

Couches are awesome! :)

[@klism]

lol

[@captainrick4513]

Nice to see a youtuber from a specific topic/genre in another area. It's like seeing a DnD player at a Star Wars movie.

[@TheRealRevelation]

As Thanos told Stark: “you’re not the only one cursed with knowledge”

[@Onaterdem]

Holy sh*t everything is making sense now

[@maxgoldstein6309]

Trueeee

[@newsoul.9]

Bruhhhhhh🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 it all comes together

[@shinkounova8485]

Why didn't Thanos just snap the Celestials away?

[@chiifgui3413]

@@shinkounova8485 you have a point

[@mrshib8460]

"Why are you booing, I'm right" is a meme that basically sums up the entire thing

[@elienri1189]

Yeah

[@Walrus5]

a verified youtuber copied ur comment

[@elienri1189]

@@Walrus5 yeah

[@mrshib8460]

@@Walrus5 what? can you send a link

[@toainsully]

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[@williambilliam5001]

I always felt that, when watching Eternals, I thought that the movie isn't meant to be a showstopper, but a "plot glue" that would make better sense once everything else comes together. Reminds me of the "slow tracks" in a great album: yeah, it's not a hit, but it's not meant to be a hit. It is more of a palate cleanser.

[@subjecttochrist]

That's called 'mcdonalds'

[@shaunalexis8162]

I agree

[@yingtyson4493]

An interesting note is that Thanos also snapped away half the entire UNIVERSE's population, not just earth, meaning he was also stopping other celestials from "emerging". He nearly saved countless planets across the universe.

[@NinjofNature]

yES WHY ARE THE COMMENTS SAYING HE WAS RIGHT THAT IS SO DUMB

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

he didnt save anything. the celestials need to emerge. its necessary for balance and the creation of new stars

[@silenthermit4637]

He didn't save those planets, he only delayed their destruction.

[@thephenomenalprotect1onbryan]

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Are you fvckin blind? What about existence huh? So the Celestials sacrificing each other for the existence of living things just like when pawns sacrificing their king in a chess game?

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

@@thephenomenalprotect1onbryan are you really trying to lecture me about how evil celestials supposedly are, while defending and making excuses for goddamn thanos?

[@Marshall_Jones]

Thanos did tell Tony, “You’re not the only one cursed with knowledge.” So I buy the theory about him knowing.

[@strangefungus2093]

Stolen comment but alr

[@Garry2527]

indeed

[@Marshall_Jones]

@@strangefungus2093 stolen from where? I’m literally quoting a movie that millions of people have seen.

[@Marshall_Jones]

@@strangefungus2093 Because it’s a literal quote from the movie…. Are you saying I should’ve read through all 8000 comments before commenting in case I said a sentence that one of the other 8 billion people on the planet have said before? Get over yourself, troll.

[@mochiyeosang1908]

@@strangefungus2093 yeah, thats kind of how quotes work...

[@arcallium]

Regarding Strange's "one win" outcome from his vision, I think may have seen the Earth hatch. He doesn't want humanity gone or the world in darkness though, so he opted for the next best thing: delaying it so we can possibly deal with both of those eventually.

[@hexum7]

That.... or Eternals hadn’t even been thought of when Endgame was being produced, and the scripts have nothing to do with each other

[@Warrenoh]

@@hexum7 they literally have decades of comics to pull from

[@Screecher_says_stuff]

@@hexum7 no offense but u gotta work on ur spelling

[@jacobmanchenton3901]

Or strange probably saw that it had to happen or the tva would step in and prune them all so idk

[@poshorange6757]

@@Screecher_says_stuff his spelling is good he just probably rush-typed the reply seeing as his O’s become I’s because it’s right next to each other on the keyboard

[@brettcramer47]

You may have nailed it with this one. Looking over how the MCU is playing out with the introduction of celestials, venom in the MCU, and Gorr the GodButcher, I think Knull is going to come sooner than Kang the conqueror. I am kind of hoping that MCU does two separate story archs that lead to both these villains, which will ultimately build up to someone huge like Galactus or Annailis or Doctor Doom or someone else. I am not sure. But man, this is the best theory I’ve ever seen. Well done.

[@laurie1183]

Kang already showed up

[@matthiasjanzen4621]

@@laurie1183 he wasnt Kang!

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

no he was horrifically wrong and so are you for saying hes right. thanos would have to be a braindead idiot to go about "saving Earth" in this way.

[@sameersingh9929]

@@matthiasjanzen4621 kang is the new big bad confirmed

[@Inebriated_Goat]

Lmao aged like fine milk

[@sypherd.3771]

Another theory as to why Thanos used the resources explanation could be because he already tried the real explanation on Titan and everyone thought he was crazy and it didn’t work.

[@memenashedi919]

Good theory but it does not work actually, because it is clearly established in infinity war that no matter what are the circumstances, Thanos does not lie about anything, he just says what is the truth according to him.

[@Patsfan79]

@@memenashedi919majority of the time thanos doesn’t lie but how about the Eetrie guy? Thanos said make the weapon and everyone will survive, but instead he killed all but Eitri

[@yzxz9012]

​@@memenashedi919thanks not lying never makes 0 sense😂

[@hahathatsawesome123]

Also to add onto this I remember him talking to Tony saying “you’re not the only cursed with knowledge” which we could make a case for him knowing what happens and doesn’t want to share it. Just like Tony seeing a vision of everyone dying, but he doesn’t share it until Endgame when he talks to everyone at beginning of the movie explaining that they can’t win.

[@caloreen1992]

Exactly what came to mind for me.

[@joseph-sm5hk]

there’s also the fact that if thanos said he was there to stop the celestial it’s possible that the other eternals could’ve gotten involved which would be a hard time for him

[@ShortHax]

It’s sad how Thanos won millions of times. But the Avenger only won once and it was enough

[@osmosisjones4912]

The Eternals waking saving earth was the secret time line sense the TVA was Founded on earth in 31th century

[@sunofabob]

Like Dom said. By an inch or a mile.

[@loganwoods1590]

You just perfectly explained Dark Souls

[@AnInsideJoke]

Not really. Him "saving" worlds by brutally murdering at least half of the population puts him no better than the whole Deviants/Eternals/Celestilas created conflict (which was specifically pointed out to be in a morally grey area) or the Celestials' parasitism of entire planets of sentient beings (because that's what it truly is once you strip away the mysticism and the whole god idea--they create life and galaxies and planets, yes, but those planets are often used to incubate the next generation of Celestials, making their actions very self-serving, and the way said unborn Celestials leech off of the "energy of sentient beings" before violently bursting out and destroying the host planet is 100% parasitic, and very similar to that wasp that lays it's eggs inside tarantulas). Plus, his solution is very temporary, eventually the population will start to climb again.

[@ianlister7333]

its also intersting that Doctor Strange, never looked further ahead of time, beyond the simple undoing of the snap.

[@reksceasar6764]

Like what Thanos said to ironman. "You too are cursed with knowledge."

[@_TracerBullet]

I really doubt Knull will ever make an appearance, but this is such a good theory otherwise. I'm an unapologetic fan of Eternals and this just solidifies it as my favourite movie of Phase 4.

[@alfonsotovar895]

In Avengers Endgame, Thanos said he was going to get rid of everyone in the universe and make a new universe. This is just an interesting detail I wanted to add in because this means he either wanted to delay the emergence entirely or he just didn’t know about the celestials and just cared about having a better universe.

[@racool911]

Yea it's like "You don't want me halving you to save the world? Fine I'll take out all of you to sop the emergence and make a population I can control!"

[@christianemerson4622]

He didn't say he was going to get rid of everyone, nor was he going to create a new universe. I don't remember the exact quote, but he said he'd snuff out half of all life, and retire; watching the sun rise on a grateful universe

[@basicsimp8798]

Except the Eternals and Celestials are unaffected by the Snap of Infinity Stone. Thanos was literally just crazy.

[@christianemerson4622]

@@slimerewoods5766 That was Endgame Thanos, not ours.

[@naimac1015]

Which in turn makes me wonder … since supposedly he didn’t know the existence of Celestials creating galaxies and of Null; would Thanos re-creating the Universe void their existence and their battle as well.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

With this theory, Thanos virtually delayed the inevitable birth of the Celestials from destroying earth. When Thanos said he was going to save the universe, he really wasn’t kidding.

[@DUSHEVNIK]

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[@nickharrison1477]

No

[@merbik9398]

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[@hottrin6103]

Nice

[@lorlok623]

Well if we consider mat's theory, it's actually a bad thing to prevent Celestials from birthing

[@manic221]

I really liked the Eternals but I think it is very high concept to fit into 2 and half hours I'd have liked more time with them in the ancient civilisations. - I think that this movie will actually get better retroactively with sequels and mentions in future movies.

[@gtaipan7422]

"With all six stones that I could simply snap my fingers, they would all cease to exist. I call that... mercy. I would finally rest and watch the sunrise on the grateful universe." A quote from a hero we all should to remember.

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

uh no. thanos is a brutal psychopathic supervillain and calling him a "hero" means you're an insane murder apologist. are you saying id be a hero if i killed your mom to "conserve resources"?

[@Deleted28262]

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Superheroes killing a whole civilizations with backgrounds and families just to save their planet and family: GETS WOOOOO Supervillains trying to save the universe for no personal reasons and erasing half the universe randomly without choosing specific people: GETS BOO

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

@@Deleted28262 except it was never gonna save anything. the Celestials were already on top of universal balance. thanos entire plan was a waste of time and effort.

[@fishcake2519]

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 I mean Not really The celestials are products of the universe And therefore under its power The infinity stones have direct control of the universe So thanos could've dealt with the celestials at any given time

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

@@fishcake2519 my point is why would he ever want to?

[@dannod9961]

This actually makes sense cause when thanos had a conversation with tony he said “you’re not the only one cursed with knowledge”

[@codex988]

True

[@PBJG5]

Keyword "Cursed"

[@luciddream5055]

Ahhhhh now it really makes sense !!

[@OXfootballshorts]

*"Maybe I treated you too harshly"*

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

the avengers will look like assess went they find the truth

[@luckyducky9669]

hi

[@kittencorp.3295]

Silence bots

[@DUSHEVNIK]

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[@EyesOpen420]

I like how you put this all together for it to make sense to the audience💯🤟🏾

[@Crow_Smith]

I wonder how this changes with the introduction of Kang or is it going to be a thing where we go for Kang first - but then [like Thanos being a big bad hinted at and only officially THE BIG BAD later] we'll start running into BIGGER bads like Knull

[@Crow_Smith]

And unless I missed the answer to that already - I wonder how Adam fits into all of this since he's been hinted at himself.

[@DelphanGruss]

I mean - I feel like Thanos not mentioning the Celestials was so he didn't get stomped BY the Celestials. After all, we saw at the end of Eternals that the Celestials can just roll up on a planet and effortlessly 'yoink' people if they interfere in Celestial business. So Thanos indirectly sabotaging the Celestials without directly targeting them seems very on-point. Would also explain why he's so frustrated about people not perceiving his grand vision, because he is trying to use incomplete data to get them to understand.

[@iffahnurdian]

just imagine a Celestial's wrath. The largest power generators in the entire universe (from what one of the Eternals said) being pissed at someone for stopping another one of their kind's emergence

[@lbt9634]

Hmmmmmm

[@tnty1561]

So, if we were to be in Thanos's shoes, it would be like trying to tell a deaf person how to hear?

[@themanonwheels.1890]

@@tnty1561 not how to hear but like rather trying to explain something verbally to someone who can't hear at all.

[@charliewebb7812]

I think if thanos had the gauntlet he could take a celestial

[@budderballistaishere7845]

This certainly is a solid counter to “why not double the resources”

[@jacobweatherford4696]

Exactly it would have sped up tiemats birth

[@samlasalle3853]

Yeah, the problem was never "not enough resources" it was always "too much intelligent life", Thanos just wasn't able to articulate it or didn't fully understand what he was trying to stop. Also, Thanos is the "mad titan" and the disease eternals can get is "madweary", both are called "mad"...

[@foozle1up9]

Idk if "why not double" was even a logical counter. Matpat did theory on that before ig.

[@dinossauroancetral5158]

@@jacobweatherford4696 990

[@jacobweatherford4696]

@@foozle1up9 yesh but now we know if he doubled the resources a gods birth would have happened and blew up the planet.

[@Fr3sh_Tomato3s]

It'd be cool to see Amatsu-Mikaboshi in a Marvel movie too

[@OmniMonitor]

You really are putting in the work to make the MCU more intersting and coherent. I don't know how to feel about this.

[@LocalMaple]

What’s the chance that Galactus will be introduced as an eater of Celestial embryos? He does eat planets, but he is trying to eat or absorb Celestial energy.

[@EungsuLee]

EARTH X BABY!!!

[@alpha9wolf671]

You know that would make the whole planet eating thing make so much more sense

[@NobleRaider]

That's just Earth X lol

[@colovick]

@@alpha9wolf671 it all makes sense if you relate everything together just right

[@albumkosong]

So galactus is bad then?

[@yourpsychicfriendfredbear]

“… the parents in the audience are all collectively stiffening” is not how you want to phrase it.

[@TheScarletSlayer]

Parents? Meaning women too? How does that work lol

[@gabrielking7855]

@@TheScarletSlayer Y O U D O N T W A N T T O K N O W

[@Cyberlord_Blaze]

wow I only just realised XD

[@TheScarletSlayer]

@@gabrielking7855 BUT NOW IM CURIOUS!!!

[@kiwiyaya1556]

@@gabrielking7855 wait i wanna know

[@mohamedsulaiman9176]

This video really inclined towards the climax, great observation💫

[@Funko205]

BTW this video is my favorite theory video [plus I love the celestial’s] the kinder egg joke had me chuckle 7:02

[@vanillarice6163]

“The celestials reproduce by laying their eggs in the core of planets” Evangelion fans: *vietnam flashbacks*

[@goosmaw8561]

the ending sean with the steals gave me end of eva vibes

[@siluda9255]

sounds like thursday for us

[@TheRedstoneWeb]

*Komm, Susser Tod*

[@siluda9255]

Eternals you can (not) save the world

[@khristian_orc36271]

And Thanos Brother FLashback *

[@clampchamp1822]

Me after watching the Movie: "MatPat is definitely going to make a theory about this."

[@RealH4RT]

did u watch it in the cinema or illegal website? if so tell me illegal website lol

[@RealH4RT]

@@ThatCupcakKe there is some websites but its really bad quality so im wait like a week or 2

[@dnxx503]

@@RealH4RT lol

[@verymuchhobi9270]

literally

[@handtomouth4690]

@@RealH4RT disgusting

[@michaelolsen9907]

Eternals was good. I really liked it. And when people I talk too says they hate/don`t like it. It ALWAYS turns out they only watch it once and when you ask about this and that they don`t remember. Good movies require multiple re-watches.

[@a_potato]

Bad movies don't get a rewatch 👍

[@Nightmare2.03]

No, good movies can be rewatched. A movie shouldn't need you to rewatch it to be good.

[@anthonykoprowski5434]

in the comics, Thanos is labeled the mad Titan because he loves death and wants to impress her by killing half the universe...he was also created by the Eternals...so that may have been part of it. Once he has the Infinty stones he fights the Eternals and Galactus and wins...it is only when death spurns him that he loses.

[@AustinWilliamson27]

“..and the parents are all there, stiffening…”. Phrasing Matt. Phrasing.

[@aurniox]

AHAHAHHA

[@SnickersEatsCookies]

And this kids is why context is important

[@alexanderlindley197]

@@SnickersEatsCookies kinda works in most contexts though...

[@RAIN-zz7mr]

orrr it was intentional 😼

[@typical8903]

i just got to that part, perfect timing

[@jjamesstewart]

"The parents and the audience are collectively stiffening." Uh, phrasing.

[@osmosisjones4912]

What if Ego had won

[@victorhinderliter5349]

Wow no bot

[@lolkayleen2757]

STOPP

[@Da_doggo104]

He said the first seen iron man 1 in the background

[@roothlus]

Aww stiffening with your kids sitting next to you is Tight!

[@maxcat1970]

I saw the movie and I remember that in somewhere, someone said that "when they brought half of the universe's population" it provide the necessary energy for the celestial to emerge. Nice video!

[@WhiteTUnknown]

Yes. The additional population from after the snap and then bringing back half the population

[@chippysmol5178]

dude im so glad i found this video i've been talkin about knull for forever now, and i can't wait for seeing more symbiotes in the mcu

[@DJZZ__]

Theory: It wasn't thanos, it was Doctor Strange, since he could have stopped Thanos by not giving the time stone but did so which allowed for 5 years to go by and let Ajax think on why humanity was worth saving. Doctor Strange saw that if they won, 1 week later the earth was doomed anyway so by allowing 5 years to go buy with half the planet gone it let Ajax change her worldview.

[@ShadowPhoenix82]

Someone else said the same thing about that one win Strange saw. It's not only one way Earth's heroes beat Thanos. It was only one way Earth endured.

[@zacyquack]

It wasn’t one week. It seems to have been months since the snap at least in eternals

[@DJZZ__]

@@zacyquack How long after the snap does FATWS take place because these plots happen at the same time. genuine question btw sorry if it sounded pretentious

[@noyoucant8862]

@@DJZZ__ The Phase 4 timeline goes like this following Endgame: WandaVision (1-2 weeks after Endgame) FATWS and and Shang-Chi (Both April 2024) Far From Home (Summer 2024) Eternals (Fall 2024) No Way Home and Hawkeye (Winter 2024)

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

@@DJZZ__ here's the timeline after endgame so far : -Wandavision (6 weeks after endgame) -falcon and the winter soldier (6months after endgame) -shang-chi(April 2024) -far from home(8months after endgame, which makes it 2024) -venom post credit scene -no way home (few days after far from home) -the eternals

[@markdennnajaw3786]

I have been a fan of these videos for a long time but since I have suffered cranial trauma and have not been as smart as I used to be I find these videos very hard to keep up with.. but I still watch them so I can feel as smart as I used to be and I thank you for making them so I can have that feeling I appreciate you

[@MrAtomiccc]

Dang Hopefully u can get your smartness back

[@Krampus_ze_ladd7]

There’s also a embodiment of nothing and chaos, known as the chaos king

[@anthill223]

I''d also like to metion the fact, that at the end up venom: let there be carnage. Eddy ask venom "where do you come from and what's your purpose?" as venom responds with " I couldn't tell you, you're tiny human brain isn't ready to comprehend it". I thought it was a cheap throw away line, but going off Mat's theory, it would make a little more sense venom not telling eddy as the preverse lore around him, the symboites, null and his battle with the eternals WOULD blow his mind.

[@abrammedrano4392]

So the eternals are beefing with the symboites?

[@khrinalekill-thebloodspira2531]

@@abrammedrano4392 nah not really what happened was that the symbiotes were created as a weapon for null to destroy the celestials null is basically a god like the celestial but bathes in darkness and when null was in battle with the celestials he managed to make the universe 90% darkness instead of light but eventually he lost and was imprisoned and then kylntar was created planet of the symbiotes this would blow eddies mind completely

[@pokemagetech]

*your

[@pokemagetech]

And the symbiotes were corrupted towards being good by the influence of their hosts.

[@Charlie94781]

“Eddie… there are two primordial factions known as the Celestials and Null who fought a war of dominance since the birth of the universe and both sides aren’t friendly towards tiny mortals

[@EvieOConnorxoxo]

The fact that there was eternals on Titan at all means there was definitely a celestial in it's core. And I've always felt odd about the way Titan was described. This explanation just makes so much more sense. It's all I've been thinking since I saw the film.

[@pokejedi5184]

I mean, yeah. Aeros = Thanos' Brother. Thanos = Lived on Titan. Aeros = Eternal. Therefore, Thanos = Eternal. Therefore, Titan = Celestial Host. It makes quite a lot of sense, tbh. If Thanos found or made a ship to get off titan, it is definitely possible too. But the only question is: What was Thanos' power?

[@lolirot6031]

@@pokejedi5184 his power differs from books to movies. In the books Thanos has superhuman strength, God like speed, agility and invulnerability. He is suppose to be immortal and is a genius. He also has energy projection capabilities, and much more.

[@haruyanto8085]

@@lolirot6031 they had to nerf them, when the authors were basically having a power jack-off competition to compete with DC powerscaling

[@fewntug3760]

@@pokejedi5184 maybe he did have eye beams like in the comics and was similar to Ikaris but hideous.. and maybe he found someone similar to Sersi to give him the Sprite treatment, which removed his powers? Idk.. Him being an Eternal makes things super hard to follow now lol

[@porkchopsensei2742]

@@pokejedi5184 Strictly speaking, Eros never says he's an Eternal in the Post-Credits Scene. He just says he's Thanos's brother. We'll have to wait and see if it is confirmed either way, maybe in GotG 3 or whenever Eros next shows up.

[@jeffreytsao5710]

It's kind of sad that, no matter how good Matt's theories are, or how close they are to what was originally conceived by Marvel, Marvel studios and Disney are so hung up on chasing trends and having movies instantly liked that they either won't think of this, or they won't commit to seeing it through.

[@MOAON_AABE]

This is awesome, keep these videos coming.

[@isaiahthomas789]

Thanos isn’t just an eternal with a recessive gene, he’s literally half deviant. That’s why he looks how he does. This theory makes more sense if you bring in the idea that thanos was being driven by the deviant half of him, the half that wants to stop the celestials.

[@wildlif3214]

misred your message sorry

[@user-qp5xh9ky4t]

he's not half deviant. His father is A'lars who is an Eternal and his mother is Sui San who is an eternal so where exactly did the deviant half come from? he just has a deviant gene, if it's enough to warp his appearance I'm sure it's enough to warp his mind too.

[@bfp909]

i don’t think we know from where exactly his deviant genes come from since his parents were both eternals, but the idea of them giving him a drive to stop celestials is so dope it’s insane

[@EdSigma]

The film did have a plot point of how a Deviant became more Eternal by absorbing their essence; who says it couldn't work the other way around, that Thanos either on purpose or by accident took on Deviant traits.

[@nagendraprasadsingh4489]

No it is a recessive gene dude

[@hm.hm.788]

Maybe that’s why he said to Stark (ie; Iron Man): “You’re not the only one cursed with knowledge” probably because he saw some type of catastrophe, as Iron Man was scared losing half the population, Thanos was scared to lose many worlds.

[@basicsimp8798]

To be fair, Celestial are the creators of multiple life, so stoping the Emergency would also stop the creation of countless new life.

[@legendarytronic7774]

@@basicsimp8798 Yeah but for a Celestial to be born they are gonna destroy life to be brought to life?

[@F8Beast]

@@legendarytronic7774 Trading a planet for millions or billions more sounds good to me

[@legendarytronic7774]

@@F8Beast Doesn't mean it's right. Plus it's the earth.

[@F8Beast]

@@legendarytronic7774 It's right imo. Sacrificing one insignificant world in the vast universe for million or billions more sounds good to me

[@jamescohen45]

Nice work on this one.

[@JEBaganha]

The MCU should listen to Mat, their new movies would make sense, and be actually good to watch.....

[@parsapouyafar1047]

I love that everyone's now realizing this because Thanos wasn't just another bad guy the character has so much more story to offer

[@davidteres9463]

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[@jenjenhocho3188]

He's still mad though. You got to be if you're in a love triangle with Death and Deadpool.

[@victorhinderliter5349]

@@user-he2nt2no1v now more great

[@vincentbeton]

He does, but then again Endgame made him into "screw all that, I'll just remake the whole Universe the way I want it to be", ruining a lot

[@jamesbyrd3740]

@@vincentbeton end game was straight trash

[@ronardjones6762]

The problem with "The Eternals" is that they tried to pack a lot into a movie. It should have been a series.

[@kenjironakazawa9177]

Agreed. I like the eternals movie but i hate that they dont have equal character development so when gilgamesh died i was just like oh no. So yeah anyway. They focus too much on sersi and ikaris. It should have been a series indeed

[@cjthenarhwalking1378]

same thing with the aquaman movie it felt super fast paced

[@justinehercthehuman6941]

Yes but sadly Disney wants money. And with that many big actors, they would be spending so much for a smaller income. Movies sell more sadly.

[@kb7867]

Why tho, series tend to drag things out, 2 episodes about cersei and kit harrington, 1 episode for sprite describing her feelings for icarus, 1 episode for the dude to how he got to the village in brazil, etc.

[@kenjironakazawa9177]

@@kb7867 isnt that better than nothing at all? I mean you dont have to give a full episode just for 1 character atleast with many episodes there is space for each member of the eternals to get some scene for them. Im sorry not really good at explaining ahahahaha.

[@CrazyGamingYT56]

Love your content keep up the great work

[@nicolaemihai3581]

not sure Thanos was first thought up to be a ethernal, or that him wiping out half was about celestial not getting born. I mean Arishem would intervene faster if that was true. I think it was more about the lack of resources, as the plot for Eternals squeezed in the MCU afterwards and in a way that would feel decently meshed with all other things

[@wksnxkeksnd]

Also, it was confirmed that thanos did not just wipe out humans, but every life form on every planet. It's also confirmed the celestials need enough general life on earth (not just people) to be born. If thanos was about making sure there was enough resources, you would think he would just erase half of all of the apex species of all the planets, not absolutely everything.

[@saberneumayer1692]

that explains why he didnt do the obvious thing to do yk, double the resources on earth

[@LucyWest370]

@@saberneumayer1692 if you double the resources humans are still going to be reproducing at the same rare and before you know it those resources are gone

[@trovellcornell9196]

This theory is based on the comics, the comics aren't like the movies in any way. Can someone explain to me y tf they did that? Seems to be a cash grab rather than a video made with love and sucks to see

[@Tim.Stotelmeyer.2984]

@@LucyWest370 Reducing the number of humans by half would have the same affect as doubling the resources and might actually increase the rate of reproduction to make up for the loss of life.

[@saberneumayer1692]

@@trovellcornell9196 its what matpat and his team does when they make mcu theories, they make the theories by comparing the comics and the movies to find missing links in the plot

[@sloppyburger00]

Actually, to be honest, knowing how the comic books were about the MCU and everything in between, I do believe you are onto something. I look forward to seeing how it turns out, I hope they don’t disappoint.

[@sherjane]

Yeah

[@igron_kenpachi2163]

Red

[@ancientphilosopher]

This video was amazing. Thank you

[@robertdonaldson5095]

YESSSS KNULL!!! My Favorite Villain. I knew you where gonna say him when you started too talk about the Celestials.

[@noahro777]

“the celestials reproduce by laying their eggs in the core of planets” I am starting to think the audience that did not like eternals for its plot would not be fans of evangelion

[@warriorscholar41]

The biggest complaint I've heard about the plot is that it tried to take on too many things at once, so it explored precisely none of them. It tried to cram an entire Avenger's arc into one movie.

[@wbw911]

ah yess Komm Susser Todd

[@malikdespanie4344]

Ain't watching the Eternals but I better look into Neon genesis Evangelion.

[@allietiller1925]

@@warriorscholar41 I agree with that. Left with more questions than answers

[@papabearlives9995]

So did Ego do it wrong? He left them on the surface of the planet and did it to a lot of planets.

[@kaxida]

I’m still waiting for you to count every single bee carrying the jet in the bee movie, along with wondering how many bees it’d actually take to actually carry a jet of that size, MatPat

[@ShadowLynx777]

It's impossible A bee can lift up to a max of 100 mg A 747 is 333,400 kg or 333,400,000,000 mg. So it would take a minimum of 3.3 billion bees to lift a plane. But there's a problem, a bee takes up about 20 mm of surface space, and the underside of a plane only has room for 13,000,000 bees. You'd need the area of 256 planes for bees to carry 1 plane. Therefore impossible

[@Donmoonu9000]

I wish I could do what you did

[@1stNumberOne]

@@Donmoonu9000 google, then open calculator.

[@roreah]

@@ShadowLynx777 But are these bees MOTIVATED?

[@ShadowLynx777]

@@1stNumberOne Pretty much lol. Just harder doing it on your phone and switching between apps

[@EliteVeyron835]

How could Thanos have been born with a recessive gene and be an Eternal when we saw in the movies that Eternals are bio-machines that are not born but built by the Celestials?

[@Cshepherd]

Thanks to that eternals scene, I went to the movies again later that night just to watch the parents look in horror whilst trying to get their kids to look away as their children watch the screen either in awe, or terror

[@jayboom25]

Most people: "Galactus, Galactus, Galactus" Matt: "Have you herd of Null the dark god?"

[@w1ndgeneral226]

I have, and I theorized that knull was gonna show himself as well.

[@demiurgusgodofform8589]

To be frank, it kind of makes sense that Marvel would go for Knull instead of Galactus (not that I like that they're probably skipping over him) simply because he hasn't been relevant in comics for a while, whereas Knull was part of one of they're more successful comic story arcs in recent years, making him more relevant and identifiable to a modern audience that, in all brutal honesty, seems to have all the attention span of a dementia ridden cockatoo.

[@jayboom25]

@@demiurgusgodofform8589 as someone who’s not a massive comics fan Galactus definitely had more powerful pop culture settings

[@imbored7444]

I thought chaos king

[@bigbirdscousin8596]

Yes, yes I have

[@okupant880]

With this it makes sense. Thanos was VERY powerful but Stranges suggestion of only one positive outcome is impossible, there should've been more than just one timeline in which they win. unless it was completely necessary for the snap to happen, for the unsnap to happen and then Thanos' army be defeated in a specific way. Strange is playing a very dangerous game here.

[@molybdaen11]

Dr. Strange was surely not in his best shape in endgame. All he had to do is taking his stone and hide - that's it. Or capturing Thanos in a time loop. Or giving him a fake stone which explodes after a while, releasing the other stones. But nooo, he had to lose his very first fight.

[@Crilyte]

@@molybdaen11 because all that is impossible. Four stones overpowers one Also, more people would die if Tony didn't snap right there, in Endgame. As an example, Rocket would've been crushed to death by a Leviathan, which got dusted before it did

[@arshawitoelar7675]

It's not like there's only 1 outcome, it's just out of the first 14,000,065 futures that he saw

[@Sly-Moose]

Shouldn't Doctor Strange know about this "the Earth's gonna hatch" thing?!

[@WebbanationX]

He definitely didn't see the right outcomes, or he was looking further into the future than just the threat of Thanos

[@dreage9789]

The thing i always thought of and would help the fact that thanos knew is that i believe thanos could erase half of all life without every infinity stone since reality can literally alter reality and time could change people to never being born i think he made sure to get every stone because he was not exactly sure it would even effect a titan but he got every stone to have th best chance

[@Axonv]

Only problem I see is that Thanos didn't see Earth as worthy anymore and wanted to remake the universe because they were ungrateful, but if the stones had that kind of power couldn't he just delete the celestials that were in planets?

[@killerbeans]

Thanos also says to tony stark “you’re not the only one cursed with knowledge” probably wasn’t referring to madweiry, but he could’ve been

[@Imnotsemi]

Because tony also had a vision of the decimation of the avengers during age of ultron

[@StormWildSpace]

I can't believe TFT completely whiffed this. Then again, I haven't really enjoyed much of their recent content.

[@khora3845]

An idea I had about the ending of Eternals is based on an action Tiamut made in the comics. In the comics, the Celestials, Deviants, and Watchers served a being called the Fulcrum. At one point, Tiamut asked the Fulcrum to spare Earth as he had grown to love it. Assuming the flow of energy from Tiamut to Sersi at the end of Eternals was voluntary, that could mean that Tiamut in the MCU had grown to love the planet he was incubated in and allowed Sersi to save Earth.

[@marcelcjr9313]

W Tiamut

[@billybobjoe1335]

Is this the “Fulcrum” Fulcrum or the One-Above-All Fulcrum? (I.E. is this the God-stand in or another being?)

[@jigolocana7492]

I mean if tiamut really wanted to be born. Even if the eternals formed a uni mind to freeze or stone the celestial. They can't stop tiamut from being born.

[@phaiag1727]

I believe it was. Cersei said that when they formed the uni-mind, Tiamut joined them and didn’t resist.

[@xombi213]

Nailed it bro

[@Alex-mq6qi]

I gotta say I loved this movie. An insightful Marvel movie is a treat we haven't had for a while

[@draconis7561]

Thanos was definitely an Eternal. His name is a variation of Thanatos, the god of death, who also happens to be the brother of Eros in Greek Myrhology.

[@octoxite2165]

And also its straight up mentioned in the eternals movie that he is eros brother so like, there's that too.

[@Sorrowdusk]

I see.

[@B14z3rather]

lol

[@jovianguyen3135]

I’m pretty sure that Thanatos was the son of Nyx and the brother of many other deity like beings. And Eros was one of the protogenoi (One of the first beings to exist). (Eros is also mentioned to be Aphrodite’s son) But since mythology has many other variations (Like all mythology) there might be a myth like that. The name Thanos is thought to be believed coming from the word and deity Thanatos (death). (I’d also like to point out how the name Thanos means immortal)

[@givemeanameiwillhate9525]

He is, and half deviant, if i guess myself

[@maggie1000]

Someone pointed out that strange might have some insight into this as well from when he was going through all the possibilities. If thanos lost then the emergence would have occurred pretty soon afterwards. So maybe he knew thanos winning in that moment would give them more time and have the ability to stop the emergence. If Ajak didn’t have the 5yrs to live with humans she wouldn’t have picked Sersei and the emergence would have just happened. But because of the snap Ajak had time to change her mind which set off the events in Eternals to stop the emergence

[@jarenmonzon2840]

I had the same thought

[@milesprowerkardia3024]

I agree, That is what i think so too i mean Dr. strange saw million of timeline using the time stone and found only 1 timeline that they won which is kinda weird for me because i doubt that out of the million timelines Dr.strange saw i'm sure they defeated Thanos at many of those timeline. So my theory goes on that Dr.strange probably saw the earth get destroyed and so he keeps going through time till he found 1 timeline that the earth didn't get destroyed which is were the "Eternals" rebel against the destruction of earth against the celestial or maybe more to it. PS sowee for bad english not my first language ^^

[@jarenmonzon2840]

@@milesprowerkardia3024 that's what I kept telling other people. Also your English is ok.👍

[@maggie1000]

MilesPrower Kardia your English is fine! I completely understood and agree :)

[@davidperge4742]

i just saw the eternals 2 days ago... Idk why, i liked that movie too, but I think it was not the biggest hole in the story. For example: These eternals exist since millions of years right? traveling between worlds in our universe. And Arisham made human eternals millions of years before even humans evolved. (almost all of them are human as we saw in the movie in the arisham's "eternal storage" :D except mabye Thanos.. but as we know he is not really original eternal, becasue he is a "son" of an eternal, what is kind of impossible couse they are kind of "biomachines" or wahtever) And what an accident... a life evolved look like just eternals what arisham made... I would like that idea Arisham makes eternals face, skin and kind of "shape"less and they get their face, skin and shape when they are sent to the world where they have to work on. Becasue we saw scenes when they were working on other planets in the same human shape but helping some alien race. :D this is what bothers me and other plotholes as well... but lets just discuss this, i hope did not couse brain cancer to you with my english :D

[@KhaledQara]

my love for the thanos car grows stronger and stronger. he is so wise, I wish we got a look into his philosophy more.

[@quibbs126]

You know, this theory sounds really cool in retrospect, the whole stuff with Null. If only that was the direction the movies went…

[@kalebgetoffit3529]

Stories are always more interesting when the villains have a point rather than just being blatantly evil cuz they’re evil.

[@Dan-kz6tq]

What would knull's point be? Celestial took over his domain?

[@piotrlatuszek171]

Samurai jack is exception

[@fynkozari9271]

Thanos only saved earth for 5 years. Then Stark screwed it up again, rebirthed the egg.

[@ericm5315]

@@Dan-kz6tq That's basically his reasoning in the comics. He was just floating around in nothingness then the Celestials kept creating stars which pissed him off. Basically, we're a bunch of hobos living in his house.

[@randomdude8202]

@@ericm5315 I would prefer something like nurgle in warhammer 40k, he destroys so new life can form again.

[@racool911]

God this Thanos twist could be incredible. Applause to the mcu writers if they actually thought about this back in IW

[@jamesbizs]

@seeni gzty that’s stupid. More resources and knowledge, is what stops population growth. And more population growth means more potential to have some super genius that solves huge problems. More chances that there will be another Tesla or such type of person.

[@edwardelric8966]

@@jamesbizs you don't actually get it. Humanity creates comfort for itself at the expense of the planet's longevity. Why? Because we create things and culture that breaks the cycle of life and death as it should be in this planet. Like burial. Our bodies at the end of our existence should be given to the earth. By that I mean the energy. We should become a part of the earth when we perish. But we create ideas like burial where we bury our love ones inside a tomb or a casket entombed by cement. Where the earth cannot harvest our energy to bring new life. Humanity creates comfort "resources" by destroying or modifying natural resources but the outcome would be an object that cannot be reversed and be harvested by the planet. Hence, in due time, will result into the depletion of a planet's resource.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@edwardelric8966 Well, our population is slowly stagnating in various areas

[@edwardelric8966]

@@thalmoragent9344 This is in fact true but with the amount of products we produce daily population isn't the only factor we take into account.

[@Olivia-vg4mm]

And also all the way back to gotg vol 2 when a celestial was the main plot point 😳 i feel like marvel is extremelyyy on top of things lol

[@noobandfriends2420]

7:47 It's even better. His motivation was that he was a huge simp for Death herself. This was changed in the MCU though after his reveal. It was originally a love story.

[@riyadqadri8139]

Hey matt , could you say that "oh boyyys" expression again ?😊

[@OK-yy6qz]

This theory actually does solve 2 massive plot holes . Plot hole 1 :why didn't Thanos just double the resources . Plot hole 2 : why was there only 1 win out of millions since there definitely were options to defeat Thanos before the snap.

[@razzy6728]

Holy moly, Strange probably had no idea why every time they killed thanos too early, the world just exploded and killed everyone. He had to try so many different scenarios before he found anything that resembled success

[@muhammadmuqhrizz1631]

Plot hole 1 : doubling resource = faster advancement rate = faster celestial birth rate Plot hole 2 : idk I stupi

[@kaine8911]

The first is simple, doubling will make birth rates faster making celestial birth rate faster. The second one wasn't even the point of the video, he didn't didn't mention it. Did you even watch it? Or did you just presume that he will talk about that? Instead of actually watching the video?

[@OK-yy6qz]

You guys don't get my comment. I said that there were 2 massive plot holes in Infinity War . This theory solves them both

[@OK-yy6qz]

@@razzy6728 exactly

[@spiderboi9425]

As Peter would say, "Please don't lay your alien eggs inside me!"

[@tuavaresm]

😂

[@doomnoddle7664]

How long does it takes Mat Pat to make 1 video and where does he find all the information and piece it all together???

[@t0xicg4mer46]

7:40 "he is the only one that can see the inevitable" Doctor strange: *Am i a joke to you?* *proceeds to look through millions of ways infinity war could end*

[@sjoauga4561]

I really wish Eternals was spread out more rather than just one movie. I actually quite enjoyed it.

[@GonzalezJio]

feels like a tv show

[@eventplanner461]

@@GonzalezJio Yeah if it was a series each character would have more screen time and development. They rushed everything.

[@irinaklimova5863]

yeah, if it was a tv show it might have been better, but even as the movie was i really enjoyed it, i don’t get all the hate tbh. def had more potential but what was there was great

[@ChildWatcher]

Felt to jumbled

[@reddyprahlad]

I feel sorry for your husband

[@Cubick]

Can’t wait to see a theory of “Train to Busan has something to do with the Eternals”

[@katherineminor3402]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Proudtman]

I also really liked Eternals The problem with that is that it shouldn't have been an option, because it gets rid of a lot of beings!

[@bennyaverygardner9681]

Haven’t seen Moonknight yet, but I know it brings the Egyptian Pantheon into the MCU and one of the gods in that pantheon is Apep, basically the primordial being of darkness and chaos. Sounds suspiciously a lot like Null…

[@TbagCentral]

"The parents in the audience are all collectively stiffening" That was an...interesting choice of words

[@JacksonFilmsMovies]

Lmao

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

That doesn't imply any good circumstances

[@Mika-ph6ku]

I love how the selling point of vpns is what is ultimately a secondary, unintended feature of them.

[@shwoopi]

and It doesn’t even work for Netflix because it recognizes you’re using a Vpn

[@Mr_Joe_B_619]

and some of them don't work. My ISP is cutting me off at the end of this month. Lol. Not a ISP monopoly, so okay.

[@untitledj3007]

Online privacy is hard to explain I guess

[@willverschneider1102]

It's something that's legal, but feels illegal.

[@djalixwrld]

Love this video

[@blingz1172]

Smoothest transition to a sponsor ever.

[@wickidgames]

Kinda explains why he doesn't just double the resources

[@lukascisar6740]

That would be stupidest idea. The world is based on equal exchange. You can't just create things out of nowhere.

[@joshbrosh6626]

@@lukascisar6740 with movies everything is posible

[@joshbrosh6626]

This is also true

[@fica1137]

@@lukascisar6740 You haven't read the comics?

[@lukascisar6740]

@@fica1137 Nah

[@Patterrz]

/r/thanosdidnothingwrong feeling pretty good right now

[@ItsmeUVie]

Yup

[@foxhunter3509]

Oh hey it’s Pat

[@builder1013]

Well, actually this theory is contrary to that one What If episode, I just found out.

[@gigachad5095]

Yea dude thanos was right also love your videos

[@aas2009]

Griffithdidnothingwrong.

[@swifties_wonderlands]

i love how eros is greek for cupid, it makes my day 8:15

[@maximumeffort1006]

Ok this was wayyy more interesting than i expected

[@ZenithAMVs]

Wouldn't this mean that Doctor Strange would have seen a reality where Thanos lost in their first fight and the Celestial destroyed the world, killing the Avengers?

[@Unknown-gn8gn]

Doctor strange and only saw one reality were Thanos lost, and that’s the one we see in the movie’s

[@Console-l0gger]

he said there was 1 option meaning thanos dying would still lead to surviving idk he said what he said

[@chrisjensen9476]

Doctor strange probably never looked beyond the success or failure of dealing with Thanos so more than likely no.

[@LucyWest370]

@@Unknown-gn8gn the exact phrasing is that he only saw one future in which the avengers won, not thanos lost.

[@noraiyu]

i don't see why he needs to see till the very end of existence. there's like 14 billions, do you really thinks he would have watch all of it? like, literally all of the thing they do and stuff. i bet he juts look till they actually win against thanos and lives.

[@TAKE_BACK_BRITAIN]

So Ultron was trying to save us from Thanos, and Thanos was trying to save us from the Celestials, and the Celestials are trying to save us from Null? All these villains are just trying to protect us from someone else.

[@darktooth4576]

Always a bigger fish that’s out there is what these movies are implying.

[@s.sgaming4219]

so what's Null protecting us from? Now don't tell me he's trying to unite the entire universe under his darkness or something to fight against something from ANOTHER UNIVERSE!

[@noscw]

@@s.sgaming4219 for all we know Nulls protecting us from Darth Vader or Indiana Jones or maybe even Pikachu

[@s.sgaming4219]

@@noscw oh no! *surprised Pikachu face*

[@longps9528]

@@s.sgaming4219 The one below all, maybe?

[@tiarraedwards6411]

Do an episode on adventure time, there’s so many theories to choose from

[@chrismaxwell3001]

So my dad was watching infinity wars a day or 2 after I had rewatched eternals. I started making these same connections. Am slightly freeked out about how literally a day or two later, I stumbled on a video explaining just the same connections, where no one else I know knew these things. 😂 Am a casual to medium mcu fan at best. Just wow. Made sense about he went off the be a farmer too. You know, after first job being cultivating planets to feed Celestials.

[@teodordimitrov7758]

Thanos: I am doing this to save the universe MatPat two years later: Guys, He tried to save the universe!

[@10thletter40]

Like I agree he tried, terrible execution though

[@DUSHEVNIK]

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[@merbik9398]

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[@hottrin6103]

@@10thletter40 yuh

[@lukascisar6740]

It doesn't matter.

[@savagetyrant7428]

The MCU directors should be scared of their real life villain: Matpat and his theoretical spoilers.

[@ZachzWinner]

ah yes, beware of the theories btw i know some of you guys hate self promoters, but if you're really interested to check my song called end of the day out, i'd be glad tho. thank you :)

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

MatPat may be highly wrong though. I'm not entirely certain but I believe that Sony didn't renew the contract meaning no more spider-man or spider-man related things in the mcu meaning no knull

[@ashleyr8026]

This video blew my mind 😭

[@Rogan621]

Reason that Thanos did not know: If he knew he would have simply snapped the celestials out of existence (and yes the comics say the stones could do it to the celestials) (btw if thanos had just erased the whole celestial timeline with the snap, Knulls terror would never exist, because the celestials were the ones who invaded Knulls kingdom)

[@nuejoseph977]

That’d definitely be the common sense approach. At the same time, I’m pretty sure it was mentioned that the celestials are necessary and without them everything would fall apart. Maybe the celestials killing planets helps maintain that balance thanos was attempting to keep.

[@basimali619]

@@nuejoseph977 that’s galactus’ job, destroying planets to keeping the balance

[@EQ_EnchantX]

I believe you can't just wish for anything with the stones. The more extraordinary the wish, the stronger you must be to do it. Look at how weakened Thanos is after the wish, and what it did to Tony. You would need godlike powers to wish for more powerful wishes, or be consumed by the stones before it comes true. So yes with the stones you can wish for anything, however based on your strength, it might consume you before it happens, rendering your dead and the wish being canceled.

[@bitchface235]

@@basimali619 pretty sure Galactus is a newer addition and didn't exist before the big bang. Galactus just eats planets and is a bad guy he isn't someone looking to uphold balance.

[@basimali619]

@@bitchface235 I’m pretty sure he is, at least in the comics from what I can remember