Why Dopa Always Bans Talon

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[@LoLDobby]

【 S13 Rank 1 Talon Zhami's Builds 】 www.deeplol.gg/summoner/kr/Talonking-zmi

[@bajojajo7745]

isnt it s14 now

[@asdkjashda]

@@bajojajo7745he hit rank 1 in super server s13

[@dramat123]

last one was barely with huge help from sona and he had to flash to bush to not be AA really nice but barely :D

[@marshall3753]

watching a good talon play actually feels like watching an assassin creed scene

[@milanlazovic7292]

7 years ago my son force me to try LOL...my first main was Talon...real assasins creed...

[@lancelaurel3828]

@@milanlazovic7292I wish you and your son well in life!

[@ElectronicHouseFlash]

Also doesnt look easy, especially vs enemies with brain (master +).

[@jacky6432]

Is dopa still straming? where does he stream in?

[@ronantetsu4]

Lmao tf's vision being blocked by a spellshield seems so off.

[@matamich8228]

yamato will still say its trash

[@bluenosaurus2720]

TF using R1 and only see 4 enemies: Something's off. TF using R2: No, this is fine.

[@snaker1511]

Toji reference

[@synicat7839]

Imaginary Technique: Edge of Night

[@ajmaeenraeed5268]

Challenger macro friend. We don't get to question these

[@AryanDuty14]

Very low time frame to backdoor usually I am sure he just didnt check the whole minimap (he just saw no one in their base or near it and instantly tpd there)

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

I had absolutely no clue the item worked that way for tf ult

[@luufia]

Ngl i kinda forgot talon was still in the game

[@inksword6029]

Because he feels miserable to play, he's a one trick only champion and all the one tricks hate it

[@zeflin2110]

@@inksword6029thats actually true

[@Ozbey1]

all the assass are in the same situation for more then 3 years now im not talking about ap version of assas just the ad assass im talking about

[@Ozbey1]

ad assass are not worth to play anymore because you can f up so easly. Ap control mages are 10x time more rewarding and easy to play. Its not even mathmatically correct whats harder to play is worth less and whats easyer to play is more rewarding. Like for example if you F up the Q ability in a all in fight with zed you literly do no damage. and thats what you need to master alot. while ap mages you can just spam abilities so often and if you run out of mana u can just tp back to lane. u can buy zhonias to doge all in potential of a assas so easly. i dont know man..

[@cursedvillager925]

@@inksword6029 other assasins in late game are still decent, but Talon's late game just terrible, may be the worst in League, you must make enemy team ff15 or you gonna lose. Before, his early-midgame is good engouht to made up for the late game, but now with a bunch of overload champ and item system, he just falling behind. I guess that why he feels miserable to play, he really need a mini rework ngl.

[@captainmerthin2019]

That TF will be forever haunted by that outplay. That was absolutely villainous. Had to be feeling so smug and excited that he was about to pull a classic Twisted Fate moment and ults right into the waiting buzzsaw that was Talon lmao

[@TheKaratejesus]

He's simply inexperienced. Every good TF knows this interaction and would never make this play without knowing where talon is

[@caminhaodelixo2]

@@TheKaratejesus inexperienced = high challenger korea god how the yt commenters love to feel superior somehow

[@TheKaratejesus]

@caminhaodelixo2 being challenger doesn't mean you're experienced on every champ. This player is inexperienced on TF and it shows.

[@iced_strawberry_tea]

​@@TheKaratejesus it shows on... where? The talon could be anywhere, maybe right inside the bush next to him and he wouldn't know. It's easy to talk out of your ass when you're watching from the 3rd pov, just take the L dude lol

[@TheKaratejesus]

@maymaymyonmyon I'm not talking out of my ass, though I'm sure you'd like to believe I am. I'm rank 38 on TF and I peaked grandmaster, I know many TF otps that look at this clip and laugh. This is something you learn after trying it once and then never again. TF being meta rn means lots of inexperienced TF players are playing him. You can be challenger and play this champ at a challenger level if you're good at mages and mid lane (or top lane) and still make stupid mistakes like this due to inexperience. Most players don't realize that TF ulti is blocked by spell shields anyways. Any TF player worth his salt knows exactly where this talon will be. Challenger players won't often leave an open nexus vs TF, but I'd understand why you don't know that considering the things you say outing you as unskilled.

[@PK-zy9pk]

had to like the video off of that Edge Of Night & TF interaction knowledge alone

[@MrcaliciousHyphy]

Yeah, I never knew about that. It makes sense when I stop and think about it, but damn, that’s so cool.

[@alexmatarratas2091]

and it also works with nocturne ult, you still see normally if you had a spellshield

[@Yarumasi]

@@alexmatarratas2091 I have played since the beta and only really just realized that. I love little interaction stuff like that. Many people would go 'wtf why did it pop my shield?' but not realize WHY its a good thing

[@Z0mbify]

08:07 that was a lore accurate talon if i ever seen one

[@Drakoth01]

Now my 15lp teammates can parkour down the rift to int me in style! Thanks Dobby! (Love the videos)

[@vh5360]

hope he talon e window irl)

[@yukiko6137]

It also stops nocturne's R

[@kyquocthangle4501]

@@vh5360 You may expect him to E to your mom's window lol, just watch out for his "SWORD" xD

[@hastyrecon2899]

You're welcome! -signed 15lp Teammate

[@tsunamininja]

TF ult breaking spellshield can be good for the TF too - not common but you could break it just before gold card lands on eg a sivir or nocturne (or any assassin walking around that has EoN active expecting it to be blocked)

[@LoLDobby]

You know exactly !!

[@kamiz0]

good tip

[@STARCU_RUPERTOS]

8:25 korean grandmaster le blanc btw

[@hieunguyenduy1357]

Play talon is aid rn , you cant win early vs most champ and your late game is miserable.

[@TeaYenSvg]

Skill issue, I'm afraid m8.

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

Holyshit I never knew edge of night counted tf ult vision as something to block…

[@iwanomorgan6557]

Okay....Cool Talon and all, but I still don't get why you mentioned Dopa. Very clickbait title, could have just mentioned something about Talon and leave "Dopa" out of the title.

[@SuAmazing]

It`s Because Dopa always Ban Talon when he plays TF, i don't remember very well what he said but one part it was something like : how can i beat a champion that clears the wave on level 7?

[@Rayogami]

My friend made me try League back then, I didnt like it, it was boring. I dropped it for a month then she asked me to play a game and I was like okayyy imma hop in. It was my 5th day of the log-in rewards. They gave me the option to grab one between 3 champs: Fizz, Ekko and The Blade's Shadow. 5 years later I have 1.5M as a Talon OTP, don't regret a sigle bit. :)

[@sedarium5307]

This gameplay is crazy to learn from, not only to play Talon but to understand trading patterns, it's insane how he baits enemies using lvl up timers, how he knows perfectly his limits and how he chooses perfect opportunities to trade or all in agaisnt the opponent.

[@dogwater-qc3ti]

You forgot to add level 4 recall trick that is widely used among talon mains. Basically talon can get to lane very fast by using his E ability so if you having trouble during laning phase you can all in your resourses (hp and mana) to push the wave at level 4, that will make you level 4.5 and then you recall. If made perfectly and enemy doesnt have strong shove potentional then you dont lose any cs since the next wave is cannon wave and enemy will not be able to push it very fast.

[@lelibrepanzer4913]

thx for the tricks brow do you manage to get a long sword when you back lvl 4 ?

[@dogwater-qc3ti]

@@lelibrepanzer4913 yes pretty much always, you should have at least 20 cs by then right? With passive gold income it is enough

[@dazeen9591]

No way. Talon mid in season 14??? I can't believe it. That champ is soooo useless outside jungle.

[@firatyalcin8588]

The flash E signiture is the most nische but yet flawless move. I call it the "honor farmer" since no one understands talon anyways and its the Chefs Kiss making u do "damn"

[@sedarium5307]

Things like that only a person that understands his champion perfectly mechanically can pull out, yes, everyone can do that F + E, but not everyone can do that in a real scenario where it is useful. Things like that is why i love mechanical champions, things like Yone Q3 into enemy + Flash side to animation cancel + Ult to guaranteed land it, or Akali inside passive auto + autoattack enemy + instantly flashes out to proc the passive auto.

[@waterDrinker13]

d4 elo, every time i have a talon in my team i dodge now, it's been auto lose every single game. im amazed someone is managing to do something with it

[@inksword6029]

Real

[@allen0neil142]

its because d4 is low elo

[@mrmangbro6842]

@@allen0neil142 top 4% is low is crazy. Top 4% in any other game people realize is actually good lol

[@Intoxicated4768]

@@mrmangbro6842it’s just tipical league ego bullshit that people spew because that’s what streamers say all the time. Yet most people saying this are like probably gold or something. E4 is already top 20% and D4 is like top 5%. Imagine being better that 95% of player base and being called low elo lmfao cringe ego shit.

[@mrmangbro6842]

@@Intoxicated4768 I'm d4 1lp iirc and I'm top 3.7% even when I was masters in season 10 it was "low elo" even though it was top .1% lol.

[@いあ-l7i5f]

Explanation at the end of the video: Leblanc and Pantheon counter. Talon in video: kills Leblanc and Pantheon alone. Refuses to elaborate further.

[@AM063094]

lol yea. But for real though, those were outplays. In those fights, the talon had to outplay them and commit everything (both sums). Panth & LB flash was down or they just didn't use it. The Talon had to work so much harder for those kills.

[@いあ-l7i5f]

@@AM063094 Of course, I understand that Pantheon and Leblanc are very difficult opponents for Talon, and I can imagine that they were featured and commented on in the video because they turned those tough matchups around. However, watching the video after Talon's excellent outplaying, it was so surreal and funny that those were actually counters.

[@timlau9611]

pantheon counters talon as his kit just deals more damage plus a defensive e. A good leblanc always win against talon until he gets fed in sidelanes then he can 1 shot talon.

[@kyquocthangle4501]

@@いあ-l7i5f just like how Leblanc counter Swain in early game, although both are on the same side (in lore) and both have tactical brain lol

[@strongerthanever2039]

It's so fitting that an item called Edge of Night can prevent being revealed. I am vengence. I am the night. I am Talon.

[@jym2r]

if you look at edge of nights icon you will notice that it actually is talon's cloak so yes very fitting for talon, the blade's shadow

[@Yarumasi]

Watching Korean guys play League is like watching myself learning a whole new game even though I've been on since Beta. Fascinating to watch the metas shift and develop over there and how they play and understand things to such a fine degree.

[@leonidas1571]

Didnt Dopa retire?

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

Military service im pretty sure but he can’t even play LCK or in Korea anymore anyways. Hasn’t been able to for a very long time. He would have to be on a chinese team to play professional LoL again after his mandatory service. He only had a short stint as a pro to begin with. He had been playing on the super server for a long time after the bs drama.

[@milandjukic4583]

@@FormerGovernmentHuman he was unbanned he just doesnt want to go pro since he makes more money streaming and its like 50 times less time and healt consuming

[@roboxenogaming2047]

Nice tip on 8:07, i had no idea that occurs. I thought my spell shield was randomly broken without taking certain skill dmg. The more you know. (I just noticed it was also a backdoor, look how much TF did to Nexus with just passive + auto + RFC)

[@IMOMENTOI]

I always ban Kayn, I dont want to have him in my team nor enemy team. 3 years of banning kayn ONLY. Every single game. Disgusting champion.

[@ISAK.M]

Only way to make Talon work XD, disgusting damage but d0gshit laning phase type champion

[@NepNeppy]

The 1v3 at 6:30 was pretty sick, manage to get 1 kill and make it out alive. Also the TF ult interaction with Spell Shield I wasn't aware of but was still great plays.

[@buyhighselllow408]

was a pleasure to watch.

[@Frogtea]

talon using cold blooded pro to block twisted fate UAV

[@Bezi0PL]

2:20 typical jungler oblivous to the fight to death at mid xD

[@AtagoSKK]

Lmao, thank you, probably my favorite lowlight

[@Blitzkit]

man remember when his Q was separated to Q and E? Q was just an empowered auto + bleed (When bleed wasn't a mechanics it was just a physical DoT) W was faster it doesn't linger and returns immediately once thrown E is his targetted blink (really annoying and has less counterplay) that also does a mini-stun (99% slow) R is still R

[@TonyTes]

happy to see talon still alive and dominating. i remember playing him when I was in college with my roommates and they were watching me play and beating everybody up, and that's how I got them to play league lol

[@PrimeMinister88]

Hit the nexus not the Vlad

[@derp_sherpa]

Alright time to go and show my team the terrorist talon pick!

[@stellarstar6553]

Talon is beyond broken but nobody will admit it. That champ has no concept of consequence. He can be controlled by the most dimwitted assassin main and you will always lose in every single interaction with a Talon. You beat him and he chips you down to low health, fucks off over 15 walls and becomes unreachable, you CC him and he'll buy items that allow him to cleanse, run away and come back in 20 seconds when you can't block him. You chase him over the wall and he jumps over 15 more. You hunt him down to your base and he executes, wasting your time for zero consequence on his own end. You track him down and manage to kill him, leaving you 15 miles away from where the action is because he made you chase him all the way back to your base, possibly even all the way to the other side of the map.

[@DanteCrowlley]

Does the skin has any trick? I know OTPs love skins with tricks

[@huynguyenquang7435]

This one just for style. The bloodmoon skin has visual indicative passive makes you see which enemy has how many passive marks easier

[@djakdawid4254]

blood moon is a pay2lose tbh, high noon W is thinner and enduring sword W animation makes pixel perfect plays easier

[@fedrickosvald593]

He uses flash in every single clip, does that mean I need flash up to make plays atall time??? I guess not, but its just annoying that flash is needed so much for every play............

[@nicholascher960]

All champs are viable. Depends HOW you play BUT that narrows down tactics 😊

[@黒猫DonnieDarko]

my glorious king, I'll never regret maining him

[@tobiasfunke8967]

I mean dopa tried to pay riot money to get unbanned. 100k for riot is like a chewing gum on the street for a normal working person 😂 Until today its cringe as hell 😂

[@kelvintorres6142]

maaaaaaan over half of these look like they only work due to the inherent nature of constant fighting that the asian servers have. These plays look like they'd never work on NA or EUW

[@VocalMabiMaple]

The game looks awful right now lmao. I hate this learn one combo kill your lane bullshit instead of consistent positional outplays the way it used to be.

[@WoetotheVanquished]

so I think this only works because talon has so much movement speed this season. he can be anywhere and make any angle

[@thehellblazer.]

8:26 I instantly stopped the video after I saw that LB W, it's just disgusting.

[@kailius790]

conq against tanky comps electructe in most matchups, dont be spreading missinfo

[@Seymour101]

Shit this talon might actually be responsible for 25% of first bloods no cap

[@Not.Smart.]

Whenever I see talon it's always reminds me of yamikaze's last game play

[@JFrost2124]

6:30 "you are locked in here with me"

[@dirtiestbomb1715]

4:39 is an absolutely unbelievable play

[@SeraphimDragon]

That Aatrox predicting at the end was amazing.

[@renanandre6031]

TF suffered psychologic damage after that play

[@NELLYEZINNE-v4n]

watching a good talon play actually feels like watching an assassin creed scene

[@NELLYEZINNE-v4n]

watching a good talon play actually feels like watching an assassin creed scene

[@phenik403]

I mean its a leblanc. She deserves it in that first clip.

[@Rayogami]

watching porn: 😴💤 watching high elo Talon gameplay: 🥵🥵

[@NancyMitchell-p2z]

watching a good talon play actually feels like watching an assassin creed scene

[@gdat]

my talon cant jump over the wall correctly

[@SkitZHitZ]

rip he quit playing after this video came out lol

[@МаксимКуликов-у5э]

"That looks cool" is the most important reason, why flash+e must be used. One German guy should watch this video and stop crying about lowmasta

[@Braxtonkai]

They were talking about making Talon Q scale with atk speed, is that in PBE or is that already in?

[@inksword6029]

its already in its just quality of life change it feels so much better

[@Braxtonkai]

@inksword6029 cool ty, I've been wanting to go back to trying Talon and see how this change feels

[@inksword6029]

@@Braxtonkai it feels great trust, you can go for WR aaQaa wayy more often and passive procs properly and its so quick

[@tootskii]

I wish talon didnt feel so clunky to play with all his bugs. I have a lot of talon experience and when you watch a really good talon you always think you can replicate but man hes not a smooth champion at all. Hopefully he gets a mini rework that helps in the future. One of my most played and all time fave champs

[@DiogenesWasRight90]

...so he can just jump walls whenever he wants?

[@grantholomeu3725]

This feels like a nature documentary the way you say, "The Talon..." Also I feel like if these people didn't walk up to Talon auto range most of them wouldn't have died.

[@Hniht-69891]

It'll take months or even years to be at this level at Talon and it's still too squishy for 99,9% player to play. Gore Talon is the most stable and friendly to player playstyle but guest what? they removed Gore, since then, I no longer see Talon in my game anymore, even in Aram.

[@mikecampau438]

NGL. I definitely TF ultwd into that talon and then said "wtf, of course I ult right into him walking back from base."

[@moonlander03]

In the right hands all champs are insane 😎😎😎💪💪💪💪

[@lobinholou]

cool vid, but the music is horrible af ..

[@mariusz7238]

2:20 This kindred stupid or what? What rank is this?

[@justinkolo3667]

i always ban ahri so noone can play the faker skin

[@sp-gb3qg]

NICE TRY DOBBY, IM NOT RETURNING TO LEAGUE THO

[@johnlui887]

"No room for harras" "Kill the enemy if they try to stop him" Sounds like the ultimate anti-bullying guide

[@chrisdavis8650]

People don't know talon is a beyond broken, that always cracks me up.

[@saphir000]

Talon is the real perfect assassin

[@kale4052]

for those of you who were inspired by this video and want to play talon do not ignite during ult if you are looking to one shot. this will result in the blades coming back to you instead of going to your target.

[@macsimon24]

Dobby you only seek for rank 1 korean? because i follow the rank 1 talon CH who is Yedaoshen and he is a monster as well

[@iamaherotoo]

3:57 Galio: You’re in front of my turret and I am full HP, let’s trade! Talon: Trade me your life

[@odins1337]

this guy is just really good could probly do this with any champ he just picked talon

[@AwesomeshadowSP]

So he is just statchecking everyone at level 1 while running people down the entire lane with 0 cc, good mechanics !

[@Lortherain]

Go ahead and play 10 games of talon, after that come back and share you experience!

[@AwesomeshadowSP]

@@Lortherain Sorry nobody with a non deficient brain is playing assassin

[@jessiewilson3771]

Is dopa back? Where does he stream?

[@nuxbot919]

Hence the 3 talons I farmed today. It was again dobby strikikg haha

[@Caenem_]

Imagine a competitive league without bans so otp could play their champs

[@joshabrogena1240]

impeccable use of P made all the difference Assassin mains want to be him but cry when they say the burst isn't enough

[@kylegriffiths5990]

In most clips you showed he was using electrocute instead of conqueror

[@Moonflush]

TFs ult is countered by spellshields? That is some knowledge

[@davidsantiago7808]

why is there a 15/0/8 TF in this first clip on talons team lmao 0:15

[@Spynighty]

I thought I was good at Talon -_-' I'm nowhere near his level

[@antoinec8248]

You can cancel tf vision with a spell shield, there is still something to learn in this game

[@genautelevishn5999]

dopa is back from military?

[@havuc9]

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[@vanjastec3160]

Never knew EoN can block TF vision, that's nice

[@DraphEnjoyer]

If they ever give his E an actual cooldown or mana cost then this champs win rate is going to plummet and we'll see how "good" a lot of these players are

[@saphir000]

2000 lp, infinitly better than you, talon is already never played and isnt a problem so why nerfing? You must wait to re use E on wall btw

[@beelzeszel]

Ngl i might play wr again cuz i remembered how fun he is

[@allen0neil142]

We need a video about the new volibear with Navori

[@bakad5458]

that would be boring to watch lol

[@deny_s]

This kind of Talon would tilt anyone to the ground...

[@gothboisinner1935]

can you update your qiyana video? i think we need new tutorial

[@rasaska8701]

I dont think ive seen this much autoing from an assassin ever

[@world33445]

Dopa's back?! i must tell this to midbeast xd

[@TheMannhead]

wait so ulti gives 2 passive stacks??

[@inksword6029]

R1 and R2 just like W