TL vs SN | Worlds Group Stage Day 3 | Team Liquid vs Suning (2020)

[@pokeyclawz8727]

The draven pick with splitting the map was just brutal

[@DoMa94]

Draft: 7:49 Game begins: 15:07

[@tekozlofiu]

The game ended somewhere between those two.

[@takodachi7625]

thanks!!

[@Infernoswac]

Jungle dif was insane this game

[@spreak2623]

It was a team/draft diff. TL is way too predictable, they perfectly countered them. I don't think Broxah could have done anything this game

[@xengthao6823]

@@spreak2623 Nah dude. Lee Sin 1 trick. What can you really do?

[@ging3815]

tbh i am tired of na fans me included blaming ea lose to drafts no man its not they played way batter than TL like WAY batter lee sin was less than walking word not even able to gank jax after he waste flash for no reason ... NA is just not good enough hope EU would do batter ... G2 go go go

[@spreak2623]

@@xengthao6823 they for sure for steam rolled but just look at the draft. Counter picked in every single lane, TL is predictable. People discussed how easy it is to ban out Impact and Broxah. You know exactly what TL will pick every game

[@devada4360]

Spoiler..

[@aniakondracka4247]

Seniors from retirement region couldn't keep up the pace with Suning. What a surprise.

[@TheXnuT]

As a vietnamese I'm proud of sofm. Definitely want suning to go real far in worlds but my heart will say either tes vs damwon final

[@lianne9431]

Just believe in Sofm he has chance make it to final

[@chiroman7976]

2020 is absolutely the best year of Sofm since 2015!

[@dawnd9626]

you might get a very good result buddy

[@jasonh705]

Jg farm 127 - 270 wtf 😳

[@jonathanzhu6917]

yeah that's probably the most crazy part to me damn, ~140 farm difference you almost never see that happen

[@elisabettajdj335]

don't forget the 4-0 dragons and herald 24 minutes in

[@HuyAvocado]

It's Sofm

[@ez7451]

Sofm literally times the enemy wolves and raptors and will arrive with a dance right before they are spanned

[@froztpally5148]

How the hell Sofm outfarm the other Jungle lol. I have watched him in the last 2 games and man I am impressed

[@jasonle2023]

You need to watch his reksai jungling... my god... like 120cs in 10min lol.. watch his reksai highlight.. he carry the whole team by out farming and out ganking. It was nasty

[@vonnnov]

not having to gank lanes cuz lanes r winning just leaves more time to farm.

[@jasonle2023]

LCK outdated LPL overrated LEC activated this is how you know someone is stupid. Im talking about a year ago or 2 year ago when he was on “Snake.” Did I said this season he carry the team?? Im just saying if you want to see his insane jungle... watch his rek sai highlight. Dude just stfu and dont reply if you dont know what I am saying. 🤡🤡🤡

[@jasonle2023]

LCK outdated LPL overrated LEC activated aww... Idc... I just like his jungle games.. he seems to always out cs his opponent. You seem sad.... Im a sad TSM fan. Idc if SN makes it out or not. I just enjoy watching him play. 🤡🤡🤡

[@BinhTran-ll9ts]

@LCK outdated LPL overrated LEC activated your name should've been LCK outdated LPL overated G2 activated the rest doesn't matter. The whole EU is weak as fuck except g2.

[@oceanyin6236]

I wonder how much did they spend on that stage

[@丁佳-m8u]

@Fab Elger lpl car sponsor has been Mercedes for already 2 or 3 years. It is not just in this world stage.

[@TheXnuT]

The real question is who tf even cares about sponsorship?

[@KidKat__]

@@TheXnuT sponsorship is a huge deal when there is little revenue coming through. If all of these sponsors weren't willing to put their money into Worlds 2020, then we either wouldn't have it, or it wouldn't look as good.

[@chiroman7976]

Shanghai is loaded!

[@wjhull]

Normally I'd post something sarcastic about Broxah once again accomplishing nothing, but he managed to never gank and STILL get less than HALF sofm's CS score. That degree of failure is in itself is a hell of an accomplishment.

[@john-pd6ug]

yeah dude he totally was allowed to farm his botside jungle for any stage of the game... nidalee had galio covering her every time. broxah didnt get to farm his raptors for 15 minutes. his krugs were always taken by jax. u actually sound like an iron when say this shit

[@SockLove]

@@john-pd6ug And why is that? Oh wait, maybe because broxah is too passive of a jungler? If you dont help your lanes gain priority by ganking them then dont expect him to be able to farm

[@AstolfoCh]

At this point, there is no reason why NA should be a major, let alone a minor region. I say Wildcard.

[@chuckdalle]

Number of people watching probably

[@rubicon3382]

Minor region and wildcard are the same thing, they just stopped using the wildcard term in official stuff.

[@panosthedarkwolf]

@@garrett4303 TL got shit on by Machi, MACHI. AND Flyquest had a COMPETITIVE match vs UOL from RUSSIA. Minor Region it is. If Riot doesnt demote NA and give them 2 instead of 3 Spots then the Game is gonna go to shit. Better to give OCE a Group Stage Spot or one more Playins Spot than wasting it on you guys. Shame, you are making the West look bad.

[@Kbjsk]

Exactly, I picked them over Machi because they're a major. What a dumb decision.

[@souldier6075]

@@Kbjsk PCS is a major region as well. If you're looking at TL vs Machi objectively it was 1st seed PCS (formerly LMS, both were/are major regions) vs 3rd seed NA, which can be favored as you will.

[@felipevergara9296]

What a masterclass to how to play League

[@杨嘉琦-p9d]

Invisible twitch and invisible leesin😂

[@tyfsk]

17:37 sums up this game.

[@fraggle5977]

Yep that's when I knew it was over

[@189Blake]

39:57 Years and years of practice carrying your teammates in soloQ at the NA server paying off.

[@TheFiendishFive]

7:45 bans 15:10 game start

[@vonnnov]

16:10 laning phase 16:11 Game decided

[@shadetdark]

This is what happens when you show all your draft strategy during play-ins. Even one of the members from MCX was paying close attentions to TL during play-ins. Do you not think that these top teams from different regions wouldn't prepare? This is not NA LCS, it is Worlds

[@itisshinobi]

As a NA fan but more specifically a TL fan... this is depressing

[@Irineomedina]

did you exp0ect different? i liked NA from season 3 to like 7 but they have become a wildcard region now.

[@jamesson1154]

I was rooting for TSM and NA as a whole but I’m getting tilted lol. They’re all playing so scared. Except for Fly, they actually played their own style and actually got a dub. Don’t care if it was vs 4th seed LEC it’s still a dub and so goddamn refreshing. We’re seriously lacking in confidence. It’s as if we’re cursed. We have to show some fight in us, too many free barons and drag souls.

[@tonyburton4963]

Broxah, Tactical and Corejj all hopelessly outplayed. Jensen's Baron steal was superb. Not even a close game...bit sad.

[@Reco-Sco]

Production quality was sooo bad man Casters ask for gold graph and the production team be like "chicken sandwich?"

[@thetrafa1313]

Team liquid is doing nothing proacttive. All they are doing is sit back and wait for the enemy team to take everything from them. They are playing so afraid. What a dissapointment

[@smitty7326]

I don't understand the disappointment. This is exactly how TL has played for years, and this is exactly how they have performed at worlds for years. They have seen the exact same problem, analysts have seen the exact same problem, viewers have seen the exact same problem, fucking iron noobers playing the game for 2 days have seen the exact same problem for years, and TL has done nothing to fix it. I'm beyond disappointment with TL and all NA. I'm fucking done. Wake me up when C9 troubleshoots their problems and makes it to worlds again, because they are the literal only NA team with two brain cells to rub together.

[@thetrafa1313]

@@smitty7326 Agreed only c9 will do greater at world

[@maaboiiyo1886]

Smitty Games NA never realized during TL’s reign that TL only good at punishing mistakes. The Doublelift way to play, is not to play better, but to take less risks. and NA is good at making TONS of mistakes. Thats why NA has gone away from being aggro, to being more passive, mental too weak to improve is also one thing, but they think that making less mistakes makes you a better player, but mistakes are inherent to a game, for every play made, theres a corresponding mistake made on the opposing side. Na always takes the easy way. TL being the best in NA was not a sign of how good TL was. However TL has shown great discipline. Thats usually how NA won their games. Better discipline always won in NA since mechanically and macro wise NA couldn’t cut it. NA teams have good discipline but don’t have the fast fingers. Remember all those regular season games that TL should have lost but won off one mistake? Case closed. Cloud 9 on the other hand one of the only teams in NA that is more aggressive, always was a more fluctuating team during regular season in all their years in NA but their style always did good at worlds as opposed to never being able to win in NA basically until spring. Cloud 9 is NA’s best worlds team, even if cloud 9 is maybe 4th place or worse in NA, they will outperform other NA teams internationally. unfortunately made too many mistakes in their final weeks. I wish they went to worlds too :(

[@eriksaunders4681]

I've been saying this forever, Team liquids playstyle does not win international competition.

[@maaboiiyo1886]

erik saunders most of NA’s style can only beat other NA teams. We shoulda sent C9

[@phantruong2855]

Sofm is the most outstanding Vietnamese player who is being a member of lpl team and he is pretty unique because he created various styles in this game , it is extremely normal , when some players have levels or a lager number of caster minion etc which are lower and smaller than that of sofm

[@panosthedarkwolf]

Agreed, that guy is insane tbh

[@ph-fm3qb]

24 minutes in to the game and Lee Sin was still 0-0 lmao

[@dalmar23]

And that is a JG focused on eary game...

[@jerickodoggo9595]

NIDALEE WHO IS ALSO AN EARLY GAME CHAMP was 0-0-0 until 24 Minutes also. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? see look 39:00

[@chrimarthchiaforever5217]

@@jerickodoggo9595 nida still had 100+ than lee and she put an insane amount of pressure botlane early on which lost TL the game; even though she didn't get either a kill/assist she did have a lot of impact in the game

[@JK-gd9xd]

Broxah can only play Lee Sin during his LCE FNC debute and even with his main early jungle he plays base pve

[@Clarity520]

@@jerickodoggo9595 Did you see the cs difference lmao. If you are gonna focus on farming at least do it properly.

[@MsAlice729]

Why pick twitch and Rakan against draven and Leona😅 And jg dif🤦‍♂️

[@ilyasfarhan1802]

tbf, they picked twitch rakan first hoping to stomp bot lane like in play-ins. TL didnt expect to get punished lol. But yea, jg diff

[@MsAlice729]

ilyas farhan I hope TL will be more prepared next time.

[@CraigPark]

Sofm’s brain must be huge.

[@nhatranthanh9247]

He got in as a candidate for championship at the Semi final Hearstone in South East Asia tournament, lv 6 faceit csgo, many more... this man is a genius

[@kn5326]

Team LeeQuit

[@theinoculation]

NA playing NA style again?!

[@G8Thunder]

why would you back off and let them farm under your own turret? just push up under it. if they want to engage under the turret 2v2 just fight them and let the turret help.

[@AnhLe-ct1yq]

3vs2 not 2vs2

[@lanthiandokenhennes1805]

39:50 - Ok. My mistake - I didn't look at the minimap.

[@vigil3429]

Nope, he stayed out of vision and SN didn't know he was there, just look at the map to watch how he moved around after TL lost the teamfight. Also, SN didn't let him go, you can see they moved towards his direction and they tried find where he was with the plant that reveals the map, he was already gone with the Baron recall buff at that point.

[@vonnnov]

whoa... tl getting stomped bot lane like i would in bronze/silver

[@mishkae]

FROSK WHAT IS THIS OUTFIT

[@rem2644]

So NA is turning into a wildcard huh?

[@atalaramadhan9313]

I keep saying this, MAKE NA A WILDCARD REGION. Give more space team to lck and lpl.

[@callumengland6395]

Man NA really has a good read on how to play the game

[@KidKat__]

I feel like you're being sarcastic 🤔

[@callumengland6395]

@@KidKat__ yea it was

[@KidKat__]

@@callumengland6395 ah, gotcha. Agreed, lmao

[@callumengland6395]

@@KidKat__ it's embarrassing... NA has one win in groups...

[@KidKat__]

@@callumengland6395 i mean, I'm rooting for the Asian teams. NA is lost already, EU is gonna shit the bed, it's the same story the third year in a row

[@jaychan8188]

What I’m so glad about this is finally everyone sound the right name of a Vietnamese jungle 🎉🎉🎉

[@Graffix28]

ask for gold worth gives vision score I'm drinking water and I almost spit it out of the screen lmao

[@vktesla]

na deserves better. im bummed everyone seems rite on broxah

[@joaquinnievas9079]

No it doesn't

[@big_boy_chris]

Bring in kkOma or Kim as Strategic Coach and convince a decent jungler from LPL or LCK to join LCS so we can stop is 4v5 at internationals already. This is embarrassing.

[@JL-bx2uf]

Christopher Chan NA players should change their mindset, they are so afraid of everything

[@SockLove]

Or just get an NA jungler? I mean you have to at some point start investing in your own talent. EU is carrying NA harder than NA is and even then they cant do it

[@roundblackbear6586]

oh man, it's tough to be an NA fan this year. every year it's like theyre getting cold feet or something when on international stage. either that or NA is just trash.

[@xTheQuestx]

NA is just trash. The skill gap about EU and NA is sooo huge. You can compare NA challenger with EU high diamond.

[@Gsyekd]

NA is just trash. I don’t know if people just assumed they were better because they started beating C9. But no, C9 fell off and every other NA team was and is still playing just as bad.

[@that1pianist]

Broxah needed to bail out his bot lane, like, last year. The nidalee just sat bot for 3 minutes, no response.

[@charlescarlmikel3745]

So now you're gonna flame him for not inting the game away? I'm sorry but if you think it's a good idea to contest early 3v3 as Lee, Twitch Rakan vs Draven, Leona Nidalee while the enemy even has a Galio, then there is nothing left to say. Even the 3v2 is dangerous and with SofM sitting bot there is absolutely no hope of doing anything there.

[@that1pianist]

@@charlescarlmikel3745 The nid camped there because he showed top, so that's understandable. But he should've showed up botside just to push the nidalee away from krugs area without needing to force a fight. Tactical lost 2.5+ waves to turret

[@charlescarlmikel3745]

He can't force nid away when his botlane is under their turret. Best case his own botlane can help him so they lose the CS anyways, worst case they all die trying to fight for krugs lv3 vs Draven Leona. It's not remotely worth to try anything there.

[@jajaja24ja85]

That baron steal was epic

[@nbt-suckhoe3672]

Who is hero team ??? Ai được MVP

[@bacnguyen7911]

Sofm đấy bạn player of the game

[@bacnguyen7911]

56:14

[@nbt-suckhoe3672]

@@bacnguyen7911 thanks

[@tonyelectoralpulse]

NA should not be allowed to stay a major region if they don't pick up more than 3 wins. Last worlds LMS got 3 wins lol.

[@erickluviano981]

oh shit they got VI on the State Farm analyst desk

[@SockLove]

When you have a passive team during a proactive meta this is what happens

[@Mr_Azali]

Now we see why Broxah got traded...just wow. & on his pocket pick

[@KidKat__]

Honestly, TL lost before the draft even went halfway. This was just so depressing to watch, bye NA.

[@dalmar23]

After that bot lvl 1 outplay TL just like rolled over ... zero proactive plays. Zero risky plays to pull back. What a boring stomp

[@Friskyorphan]

People really said DL was the problem. Their Jungler is afk all game and nobody does anything

[@gomjabbar6246]

ahh, the old g2 bot proxy scrim strat. Truly a glorious lane state

[@NOxTRYish]

NA is so bad. Very difficult to watch. Rather watch my gf play against intro bots

[@sl_razor]

why does even NA recognize as a main region.. those clowns never been in a world's final ever.. Garbage region #Riot #please

[@SockLove]

@@sl_razor *Queue the Mr.Krabbs meme of "i like money"*

[@elisabettajdj335]

NA losing against Vietnamese farmer in the jungle, what's new

[@elisabettajdj335]

playing a jungler using traps

[@sirvirtuous]

@@elisabettajdj335 lol

[@misteryakamoto]

Watching these NA teams play is so depressing. At least Cloud9 makes everything interesting. Just give them a permanent slot to Worlds next year. Even if they lose, they at least put up more of a fight. This is just complete garbage. XD

[@lianghu5694]

But c9 can’t even make it out of regions like skt stay in the trash can

[@misteryakamoto]

@@lianghu5694 Even if they can't, they at least make things interesting compare to other teams in NA. They take risk. I'd rather watch a team put up a fight than watch a boring slow stomping game. Entertainment matters.

[@EmeqPL]

20:06 i s where Impact should now that he is faked and just go under tower. WTF he was thinking??? Is there nobody talking in the coms? Clown Liquid

[@vigil3429]

My guess it's he tried to play [over]aggressive and he actually saw Angel moving to top, but, he thought he could take down Bin before Angel could make it there.

[@antmtony]

When jensen stole the baron I thought they were gonna win from then on. But they lost.... Which is great coz I predicted against them lol,

[@terryyu7379]

After the baron is stolen, SN players are still laughing, coz they know they would won this game unless they are aced 3 times and elder dragon were stolen too.

[@arbyaenax]

Put Impact on Kennen

[@dechskaison2497]

Somebody better pick up that phone. Because I freaking called it.

[@bastard5ivetft824]

How is broxah better than Xmithie!!?!nahhhh idts

[@xirogame]

I don't even know why I keep watching if the results are always fucking obvious

[@CxerRy96]

24:18 A bit of a diffy in the bottom lane lmaooo

[@Angel-ij4bk]

What an absolute clinic

[@GHLAEURHGLAIERUH]

game starts at 15:12

[@SoulLoveBase]

Love to watch TL get absolutely goomba stomped.

[@MohaimenurRashid]

What is NA doing man... This is just depressing.

[@THlBAUT]

Every single year bro why do you still expect anything ?

[@tekozlofiu]

@@THlBAUT Stockholm syndrome.

[@Kbjsk]

Corejj losing his "fashion" sense after joining NA team just like Impact did. Wtf is that hair?

[@bygonebee9129]

Give the man a break, he is enjoying his retirement.

[@oliverfeng7254]

is really cute that commentators think about the TL got a chance lol .. .

[@NinhPhamyugy]

Team Liquid vs Team Sofm 😂

[@jasonh705]

Wow Jensen made 1k damage on baron

[@karlhelfrich941]

Just Jensen was competitive

[@slyjames5993]

Why not just give C9 a free permanent slot? we all know other NA teams turn to yesterdays potato in the international scene.

[@Chris-ih4hj]

Hahaha no NA team will do good because the region environment/soloqueue is shit

[@joeyl.]

Geez, what happened to broxah? He is looked older than my father...

[@mikee3258]

My god. Hurts me to watch

[@keithcharland5170]

Could the top comment not be a spoiler. Jesus

[@Chris-ih4hj]

NA IS THE BEST..... Wildcard region

[@chriswooster801]

We will see when NA becomes a Wildcard region

[@bambinaboi1485]

Imagine a Team füllen of bjergsen maybe they would win one game

[@bambinaboi1485]

Full*

[@minhthem902]

NA never learn! They shouldn't fight Vietnamese in the their's jungle!

[@phouance2673]

Minh Them 😂😂

[@xxxx-yl4th]

you sir are a legend

[@DrMudarris]

Free Liquid xD

[@baoquoc6172]

SOFM

[@shadetdark]

NA is a joke

[@alaskanmalamute101]

wow that was embarrassing glad im not NA lol..if it werent for Jensen the game be over before they could even surrender. Should fought at elder what good is it fightin after they have elder..they could have fought 4v5. This is NA for you though they destroy there own teams got rid of xmithie and doublelift for downgrades id never got rid xmithie lol been from EU we know that broxah is not much good at pathing ye he alright when your teams way above the opponent the guy looks lost in a tough game he pretty much throw twitch to his grave by not supporting the lane early on. 0 iq Broxah also 0 kick flash on to draven might aswell played something else

[@cim888]

Want to hear a joke? Any NA team at worlds.. Why do they still have three reps at world is beyond a joke now.

[@fraggle5977]

This is so fucking embarrassing.

[@sl_razor]

broxah's lee sin... lol main fail.. on 17 min 6000+ gold lead. WTF are they silver? trash NA

[@nukersan]

Broxah is so bad...

[@froztpally5148]

he picked Lee Sin but he forgot that he played against a Lee Sin Master

[@jamesson1154]

He definitely needs to be more aggressive. He’s pathing safe and not smart. It’s like NA goes into the game expecting to lose.

[@vulpeslagopus1]

I think it’s time we boycott NA until some changes are made

[@hunterkiller9991]

Hahahahaha 2 kills the entire match?????

[@raphaelvsantos]

What a Joke. Lost in draft

[@ryutipscows9712]

damn tl :(

[@jasonle2023]

Keep clowning TSM.. atleast their game was more fun to watch let alone their group is harder 😂😂😂😂

[@gamingphreak534]

NA ARE THE JOKES OF WORDLS HAHAHAHAHA

[@peterheinzo515]

lol TL is actually trash.. they never even tried to win.. waste of time

[@PJump]

roflstomped

[@kimlarsson3669]

Yay, PC RITO brought in femenists to league now...

[@Chris-ih4hj]

NA IS THE BEST..... Wildcard region

[@znh8196]

Well if NA really become a member of Wildcard region then they probably will be worse and worse.....................