Lollar DC90 vs Mojotone '56 Quietcoil | P90 Shootout & Pickup GIVEAWAY!!!

[@craftwiser]

I liked the tone of Mojotone better in every example, but the additional noise of it is really hard to ignore. Thank you for being so thorough in your comparisons. One day I will put a noise reduced pickup in my LP Jr.

[@TheSoundCoop]

@@craftwiser thanks for watching 🙌🏻 My only regret is, I should have imported a section of noise from the original Gibson pickup. Just to provide some context to how quiet the Mojotone actually is. To be completely fair, it might be worth checking my other video out. I did the same kinda noise comparison using the stock Gibson pickup, the Mojotone and the Fralin. Since the Fralin and Lollar have similar very low noise levels, it's still a fair comparison IMHO. You can use the chapters to skip right to the noise comparisons kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWmnlnhuhseEmJY

[@craftwiser]

@@TheSoundCoop I watched your other comparison video when it came out. I find the noise in the Gibson pickup all most unruly in some live situations where the venue has dirty power and an elaborate light system.

[@PeterSchuett]

As far as I have tested P90s, the best are Andreas Kloppmann’s (Germany) reproductions of the 50s and 60s P90s. While Gibson‘s actual versions typically sound a little bit muddy, the old ones and the ones from Andreas are crisp and brilliant. They are not noiseless, but the noise level is extremely low. For me the best option, as noiseless still killes some dynamics.

[@TheSoundCoop]

@@PeterSchuett here's a legit question. Truly not trying to start an argument. I'm genuinely curious about the roots of your intuition here. You say "noiseless still kills some dynamics". I've seen people repeatedly make this claim for about 2 decades. This is a pretty definitive statement. Absolutely zero room left for nuance. It completely disregards the variety of ways noiseless P90 are designed and built, and puts them all into a single category. I personally couldn't imagine making that definitive of a statement without some legit data in hand. I realize this might ruffle some feathers. After all, we're just talking about an opinion? But the reality is, noiseless pickups either kill dynamics, or they don't. In contrast, if you said typical P90s are your favorite or sound better... totally fair. That's an opinion. But if you say a noiseless P90 kills dynamics, that's a pretty specific statement. We're beyond opinion here. It either does, or it doesn't. Or... it's a placebo. A noiseless pickup can't kill dynamics for you but not for me. So, are you saying EVERY noiseless P90 kills dynamics compared to EVERY typically wound P90? I'll even grant you your optimal situation with the Kloppmann. Does every noiseless P90 kill dynamics compared to the Kloppmann? As in, you've tried every type of stacked noiseless P90? As well as the several other proprietary designs made by various companies? And it's obviously clear? Do we have any data to contend with here? It's not even clear to me how a test like this would be conducted. Would you have someone dial in a pickup pole for optimal distance from string. And then play each string as quietly as possible to get the lowest possible inputed dynamic. And then do the same with the highest possible inputed dynamic. Then change pickups. Perfectly matching tolerances (after all 5% difference in tolerance could mean a 5% difference in dynamics). And then repeat testing for a dozen pickups. Then compare and contrast? This would probably be a pretty long KZbin video. But I'd absolutely be down to watch it. I just wouldn't want to record and edit it 😂

[@matthewmorgenstern1556]

thorough job as usual, Nick! This is ‘the way’ for someone researching noiseless or noise-reduced p90’s

[@TheSoundCoop]

Thanks for watching. I appreciate ya 🙏🏻 This approach can be a little clinical but it's helpful for me to learn and analyze the pickups like this. And most people leaving comments seem to find it helpful too. I just wish I had imported a little piece of the noise from the stock Gibson pickup. I've already got a Demarzio Fantom P90 ordered for my next round of tests. They have a cool proprietary design too, that uses 4 coils instead of 2. I'll be sure to import the Gibson pickup noise for the next comparison.

[@ArlesGuitars]

Love it!! What I absolutely enjoyed was the waveform analysis. I know, in the end it’s really about what our ears are telling us, but in something like this; a signal analysis comparison with the waveform and the dB references were a smart move! 👍🤘🏻

[@TheSoundCoop]

Thanks so much for watching and leaving some feedback. I really appreciate it brother 🙌🏻 I know my approach is a little different from what other people do, but I'm sure glad folks are getting something out of these comparisons. It's definitely a little extra work but totally worth it IMO.

[@Gaslight.Guitar]

That mojotone sounds pretty good. 👍 wasnt expecting that.

[@TheSoundCoop]

@@Gaslight.Guitar I think I'm gonna be stuck with it in my Murphy Junior for a while, and I'm not even sad about it. I've been using it for lots of writing and recording over the last few months and it's killer both in the studio and out. No vibes lost compared to the stock Gibson pickup and way less noise. I was instantly a Mojotone fan. I really wanna try some of the Quietcoil Strat pickups. Maybe after I'm done with all these P90 shootouts 🤣🤷

[@CrookedMonkey-band]

I put the MojoTone 56 in my new LP jr. Sounds fantastic in my opinion running through my Fractal FM3 direct and my Friedman amps

[@TheSoundCoop]

I'm so Happy to hear you're enjoying it. I've gotten a lot of good feedback from people who have been trying it out. It's still in my Junior and I don't think it's ever going to come out. It has all that grit and mid-range bark that I want. I recently got around to trying the Lollar dc90 which was actually a lot of fun, but it has way more of a modern sound to it. Less mids. More bass and treble. Which is not really bad. But it's certainly not the vibe for a '58 relic.

[@urbanrunoff]

awesome comparison. im a single coil guy who likes that edge of breakup "post punk" sound and love p90's but as soon as i loose that clarity i am disappointed (for me it's essential for post punk angst). i guess the noise is just part of it, like j mascis says you just have to keep playing but with computers all around it is tough to manage. Mojo's for me

[@TheSoundCoop]

I'm so glad you enjoyed the video. And thanks for watching. The Mojotone is a real winner all around 🙌🏻

[@Cystemx]

This is awesome, i was just looking at a pup change , you should check out the jared james p90 next and let us know , the mojo tone sounds good btw an aspect of how a single pup guitar works is how it acts when you change the knobs so you should do an example where you play and change the knobs at diffrent volumes on the two guitars you have like 5 or 7 or 10 etc , but i appreciate this format too , great job

[@TheSoundCoop]

Thanks so much for watching and glad you liked the video. Thanks for reminding me about the JJN noiseless P90. I got a Dmarzio Fantom P90 next but I'll do the JJN immediately following that.

[@Cystemx]

@@TheSoundCoop sounds awesome looking forward to it , I'm about to do my own p90 comparison according to your video so yet again nice work

[@TheSoundCoop]

@@Cystemx Right on! I'm following ya and would love to see your comparison. What are you going to compare?

[@Cystemx]

@@TheSoundCoop nah nah I wasnt making a video , I was comparing my jr to the ones you were playing and seeing if there was much of a difference on my monitors and to be honest it's all so minimal any eq can make it go in any direction

[@TheSoundCoop]

@@Cystemx Oh, ok. I gotcha. I'm glad you're feeling in the ballpark tone wise. Testing different P90s for this guitar has really shattered my illusions of how different various P90's sound from one another. I've heard people rave for years about noiseless pickups not sounding like the non noiseless counterparts. Based on my test, the tone of the stock Gibson pickup and this Mojotone '56 QC was so close, it's not even worth arguing about it. The only noticeable difference was the massive drop in noise from the Mojotone. Even with the differences in tone between the Mojotone and the Lollar, I don't think I could pick it out in a full band mix even if it was just 1 guitar part. I'm looking forward testing more pickups. But I'm almost wondering if I'm eventually gonna realize that P90s mostly just sound like P90s. Give or take 5-10%. At least that's my current intuition. Time will tell

[@codcade]

For the shootout, maybe one of the Seymour Duncan pickups? Like the JJN silencer? They use a unique triple coil design

[@TheSoundCoop]

Thanks for your feedback. I truly appreciate it. I'm definitely gonna try the JJN next.

[@Gaslight.Guitar]

My stock Gibson sounded dull and lifeless. Now I have a Kloppmann SB62 in it. Its not noiseless but it sounds perfect. I play in a rock duo, the hum never bothered me tbh. ;)

[@TheSoundCoop]

@@Gaslight.Guitar I don't know of this company. I'll definitely check them out. I'm pretty hooked on the noiseless thing but if I'm feeling frisky maybe I'll try a Kloppmann. Thanks for watching and I appreciate the suggestion 🙌🏻

[@Gaslight.Guitar]

@@TheSoundCoop thanks man. he is a german pickup legend to say the least. ;) definitely worth trying. Also his PAFs are sweet. Cheers

[@TheSoundCoop]

@@Gaslight.Guitar I'm definitely gonna check him out. Germans typically build some awesome stuff. Cheers Sir 🙌🏻

[@lifewithoutera]

Thank you so much for doing these comparisons. Exactly what I've been looking for. I hope Lollar can make a dog ear version eventually. Could you look at trying out the Dimarzio Fantom P90 as well?

[@TheSoundCoop]

@@lifewithoutera you're very welcome!! It really helps me learn a lot and I'm truly glad other people find it helpful too. And thanks for watching. I will 100% add the Phantom P90 to the list. I'd never even heard of it so thank you for the suggestion. More of these tests coming soon 🙌🏻

[@TheSoundCoop]

@@lifewithoutera I just wanted to say thanks again for pointing me in the direction of the Fantom P90. Apparently their design is proprietary as well. I just ordered one and I'll shoot that out next so stay tuned 🙌🏻

[@lifewithoutera]

@@TheSoundCoop Amazing can't wait to hear it and know what your thoughts are. So far it's on the top of my list to replace the one in my lp jr.

[@IScreamedWolf]

I know its not technically a true P90 but I like the SD P-Rails a lot

[@TheSoundCoop]

One of my favorite things about KZbin is learning about new things in the comments section. I'd never seen these pickups before and they look super cool. Looks like it's a single coil and a P90 attached that'll mount in a humbucker route. I'm definitely going to dig into these a little bit. I really appreciate you bringing this to my attention. You're a BOSS 🙌🏻

[@JAL-cc8jd]

I recently bought a new Gibson LP Deluxe gold top and replaced the mini humbuckers with a set of the Mojotone Quiet Coil P90’s since they are the same size as minis. I have another Deluxe with mini hums because they are awesome pickups as well. The Mojotones sound amazing to me. They are fairly quiet, but I tend to get a lot of interference or something (not sure of the cause) on a number of my guitars with humbuckers. Weird thing is the noise is mostly non-existent on my budget priced guitars. It’s only my American made Gibsons and Heritage that exhibit the noise. If anyone could tell me why I would be very appreciative. I have tested the grounding on the guitars and my electrical wiring. I have read one theory that it’s the nitro lacquer finish vs. the poly finish on the budget ones. Anyone else heard of this?

[@TheSoundCoop]

What does the interference sound like? Any chance you have a clip where I can hear the noise? Setting aside grounding issues. LED lights can cause problems. Having your cell phone in your pocket can cause problems. Or having devices in proximity that are sending information via Wi-Fi or Bluetooth could be a problem.

[@barryavner]

I like the mojo

[@TheSoundCoop]

@@barryavner I really think it is the vibe that needs to remain in the Murphy Lab. The vintage thing just feels right for the ML. But dammit, Lollar did a really nice job and I can't help but love the more modern tones of the DC90. Horses for courses 🤷

[@riverbard8287]

Lollar copied the G&L ASAT pickup.

[@TheSoundCoop]

Haha. This is a good point. I guess G&L doesn't put it in a P90 shell so never thought about it like that. But kinda assuming Lollar can do this because G&L has no copyright. Probably because it's all still a PBass rip off 🤣