NO MORE WIND: Wunderlich Marathon Screen vs Standard BMW GS vs BMW GS Adventure vs Vario-Ergo 3D

[@LongWayHome]

What screen are you using? OEM or aftermarket?

[@LeoStarrenburg]

A Givi screen on my R850RT, it has an upward 'lip' at the top to kick the wind a wee bit higher than the stock BMW screen. But with these temperatures I like a bit of a breeze so it stayes down.

[@AbdulAllahAbuDaoud]

No screen yet because I’m waiting fir your Benelli Imperiale review before I buy one. Bags and a screen are my first mods.

[@zefautino]

Ermax. Not worth the cost, I'll tell you right now.

[@Advcrazy]

I’m using the Puig Touring screen on my 1090R for longer trips. It seems to work fairly well for me at 183cm tall (I ride with earplugs in). It’s significantly quieter than the short stock R screen. I can see over the top of it on the road even in the highest setting but off road or in the dark the edge of it can be a bit annoying as it’s pretty close to my center of vision. In the lowest setting the headlight shines into it at the bottom so it lights up and is a bit annoying in the dark. But overall it works well for me. I bought it mainly because it was the cheapest taller screen available to me and also was the easiest to get my hands on (in norway).

[@RichDunn]

GSA with MRA X-Creen. Great at three-figure speeds and everything beaneath for me (6ft 2").

[@81722Les]

This is perfect timing, thanks. To think I have had a Marathon windshield sitting in my check out basket for the past 2 days, now I can pull the trigger

[@alanottley]

Finding the perfect windscreen seems to be a never ending quest...

[@kaydenchristensen5011]

For real. Found the perfect screen for my 850, before I even ride a few hundred miles, I’m now on a 1250 trying to find the perfect screen

[@jaromor8808]

I am dumbfounded anyone would put that chunk of aluminium right in the middle of their FOV for free let alone pay for that thing... WTF?

[@markosrides]

Here's my case. 2014 GS with OEM screen, 192cm tall, I ride with the seat in high position and most of the time with suspension in helmet+luggage mode (I have freakishly long legs so extra room is welcome). When I first got the bike I thought the wind protection is very good, compared to my old Versys 650 with MRA Vario screen. Then I found this exact 3D Spoiler on Aliexpress and ordered it for around 45 euros. I didn't expect much but when it arrived I was firstly stunned that it looked EXACTLY like the original Wunderlich ones, even the printing on the glass and bracket was done to perfection, the quality of everything is insane. I almost wonder if Wunderlich is outsourcing it's production to China and then selling it in EU for 3 times the price, and some of the manufacturers in China are skimming the product of the top rack and selling it on Aliexpress. Long story short, it made a huge difference, especially because I have a peaked helmet. Not even a hint of wind on it. I can even ride with visor up on 160kph with no wind in face. As for the lateral protection, it is a problem but not a huge one and I hope that I will solve it with some add-ons. The view through the 3D spoiler was annoying at first but you get used to it pretty fast so that is no longer an issue, I can see just fine through it. Cheers from Serbia, neighbor ! :)

[@WunderlichGmbH]

Hi, Marko, the products that are Wunderlich branded and sold on Aliexpress are plagiarisms. We do not manufacture in China. These copies do not have any safety checks and are not approved for road traffic. Since our products, especially the spoiler attachment, are manufactured in Europe (mostly in Germany), we subject our products to extensive safety tests and we also apply for a general operating license for our products, it is not possible to see a price of Aliexpress as a benchmark. In addition, our production methods are sustainable and we try to produce climate neutral as far as possible. All this does not happen with the fakes on Aliexpress. In addition, the use of a fake, copied product that has not undergone any security checks can be very dangerous. Greetings, Sven

[@leonkrischer3955]

If you feel so little responible towards people and nature, you are of course welcome to go through Chinese exploitation companies, but I can't understand that... I think Wunderlich always takes the shortest logostics route and has everything produced in Germany and Europe. Then I am sure that nobody is exploited and I can trust the quality of the products. It's worth it to me!

[@markosrides]

@@WunderlichGmbH Thanks for the explanation, I didn't mean any ill thoughts towards you guys, you are an awesome company and I do have original Wunderlich parts on my bike. It's just a case of me browsing through (still) free markets and finding this out, it was curious and I wanted to share the experience. Best regards!

[@WunderlichGmbH]

Hi Marko, no worries. We only wanted to explain why the price is different and why it could be dangerous to buy such a fake product there. Best Regards, Sven

[@markosrides]

@@leonkrischer3955 U have to understand something. I live in, most would say, third world country compared to rest of the EU, so it is extremely hard for us to get such products even for the price you guys have out there in the free world. The import taxes are insane and the market itself is so small, the companies are not inclined to even offer the products here through regular dealerships. Many times it's not feasable for us to pay such prices. So we do what we can to get the stuff. That includes dealings like I described. Cheers.

[@bav114]

I’ve tried 3 screens on my GS. The biggest improvement I felt was when I rode an RT 😂😂😂

[@TheTripleDubya]

Road Glide Bav true story, I too ride the RT and marveled at the rider protection but overall I liked the ride of my GSA and the more modern digital dash etc

[@bav114]

TheTripleDubya aka Dubya 07 I borrowed an RT for a couple of very wet days and I was amazed by how good the weather protection was. I prefer my GS though as it feels much lighter and flickable on twisty back roads.

[@Lazarus-aap]

😂😂😂

[@thetallguy2756]

2020 GS, added the Puig windscreen. At 6'5" (195 cm) I like the screen in the low position. Can easily see over the top and wind deflection is much better compared to stock. Old man likes his windshield!

[@moph7July06]

I prefer the Puig windshield on my GS’s. Looks and functions great! I had the light smoke on my 1200GS Rallye and currently have the black windshield on my 1250GS Exclusive. I’m 6’4” and keep the windshield in the lowest setting, even at highway speeds.

[@joost1183]

For me its alright until I go over 115kmh. 6"0

[@bielbills]

You did what every brand that sells windscreens should do. Wind tunnel tests with smoke to really show the difference and post it on KZbin

[@tarmak968]

When I owned a BMW I loved Wunderlich products!

[@jamessuttie1261]

Great video, my friend. I bought a Wunderlich screen for my 1200 GSA and moved it over to my 1250 GSA. It is an older model than the Marathon you tested. It is great, with almost no buffeting. I am 6’1”.

[@LongWayHome]

I enjoy being comfortable :D:D

[@MrHugawa]

I have the power screen on my RT & it is perfect.... I thought it was a gimmick when I bought the bike but I luv it, I am constantly adjusting it to suit my speed & weather conditions... the GS would benefit from this option

[@LongWayHome]

i know ....

[@neilmackinnon3371]

I have a 650 VStrom which I bought used from a local dealer, it has a GIVI Airflow adjustable screen. I am just over 6 feet tall (185) and in 40 years of motorcycling I have never had a bike with a screen before. Riding through a rain storm a couple of days after I got the bike, I set the screen height so that all the 'weather' was deflected off my helmet and upper body, all good. I then started to put some miles on the bike and found it quite twitchy and pretty disconcerting to ride, especially on windy days. In the end, just before deciding the Strom was not for me, I experimented by putting the screen down to almost its lowest level..... transformation! Still no wind on my helmet or body, but a stable predictable riding bike. This may well be common knowledge amongst those who have long ridden with screen, but it was a real eye opener for me.

[@ryanmalone2681]

I test rode a GS and GSA and immediately chose the GSA due to wind pro. I will be doing half on and half off road. I rode my K1600 home and realized I needed better touring protection and am buying the Wunderlich. I don’t mind exchanging them on the occasion where I’m traveling at high speeds to the off-road in high heat, but that is only 2, maybe 3, months per year. I’d rather have good protection most of the time. Wunderlich always has the most thought-out accessories too. Nobody compares when it comes to BMW products.

[@tombrown6329]

I tried a Wunderlich screen on my '22 GSA low suspension with bar-baks and Sargent seat set on high, front and rear. I'm short of leg but long of torso, so I sit pretty tall in the saddle.. I didn't think the Wunderlich was tall enough for me. They only make one size. It helped buffeting a ton over the stock screen but I was still getting wind straight in the face.. After trying an Aeroflow and the Wunderlich, I decided I liked my VStream Deluxe Touring the best of the bunch, It was a lot cheaper and just as well made. I also got Aeroflows "Aerowings and hand-guard deflector kit". I'm pretty comfortable on the bike now. I tried two of the clip-on/Chinese knock-off "booster screens". Both lost little bits and/or came apart while on the road and had to be removed. I learned that they do work but the VStream is really too tall for them. I tried turning the upper part upside-down and placing it mostly in front of the VStream. I got a great position where it didn't block my view and really worked well...until about 50mph, where it started banging against the Vstream rapidly. Ah, well... I've had 4 RTs beginning with a '99 R1100RT over 20+ years. Each one got a Sargent seat, bar-baks and a touring screen (Aeroflow or CeeBaileys). This is the first GS. Finding my happy place took a lot longer on this bike. After a year, I'm still tweaking it. I like the storage and geometry of the GSA. I have an AltRider 2-piece flat luggage rack...(basically a pickup bed?) that replaces my pillion seat and standard rack). Great for hauling my camping stuff. But I miss the RT's longer gearing, better highway MPG and aero. Suspension travel of the low suspension GS feels about the same as my RTs. I'm using 90/10 Conti Trail Attack 3. Much better than the BMW supplied Bridgestone 024s. Tread noise was obscene. All fixed with this tire change.

[@Gamba73]

Rly tnx for your videos from Italy ! U are one of the best motorcycle KZbinr 😉

[@boxermeister1968]

Love my Wunderlich Marathon screen....awesome protection.

[@davidbesant]

A lot of the wind blast on the shoulders comes from the sold part of the fairing. That's where wind tunnel development makes the difference. Ever higher and wider screens do some good, but have downsides too. Bikes don't have windscreen wipers, and you need smooth airflow over your helmet to clear rain from your visor.

[@Regdor]

I've been thinking of getting the Marathon for my R1250R during the winter months. Sounds like it will be a good idea. Thanks for the video!

[@nikoscosmos]

I have the Marathon. I'm 1,98m. It's not perfect but the best of the bunch. I think a lot of air comes up from the sides and I'm going to extend the deflector wings to experiment. All the best, Nick

[@zefautino]

If you think the R1200GS screen protection isn't so great... 😂 I can't wait for that T7 review. At 1,80m, same as me, you gonna love it so much.

[@DangerCell]

T7 isn't fast enough to need a windscreen lol

[@zefautino]

@@DangerCell The T7 is noisy as fukc as soon as it hits 80 km/h. Don't try to argue with me, i know why I sold mine. 200 km/h is for sure not fast enough for anything. At 200 km/h The T7 is like a snail. Even grasshoppers are faster.

[@SouthWest-jj8yu]

I have a standard GS with a Touratech spoiler that makes it bearable on UK motorways. My previous GS was a 2011 and I had the Wunderlich on that. No problem with the view as I sit well above the top and that’s where the problem lies. Tried several screens and the combination I have is best to stop the buffering but certainly not perfect. Great review as usual👍

[@cerioscha]

Wunderlich Marathon Screen makes a huge improvement from the sports ( stock ) screen on a 2022 BMWS1000XR but NOT great for wind buffeting on the helmet ( I'm ~ 175 cm ). I'm tempted to buy the Wunderlich windshield extension VARIO-ERGO 3D+ BUT not if its going to kill / distract my view of the road. Thanks for the review.

[@bav114]

I have a Marathon with reinforcement and an MRA Vario screen. I prefer the Marathon as I’m 6’2”. Great video 👍🏻

[@prep4evac]

Very comprehensive review, thanks for comparing all options

[@saadalhasawi5704]

I own a GS and i did not like the angle in the middle of the OEM screen, so i looked around through the internet and then get the MRA which looks nicer, a little bigger, and much clearer. i'm 175 cm and i'm also putting the seat on the lower position.

[@zacharyfett2491]

Colored smoke? Daaaaaaaaaang you're an influencer now!

[@BillReitz]

You should have put Dave behind the screens for the smoke test, he's easily replaced. 😁

[@paulchambers2296]

thanks for the video, informative. Can I ask also what tyres you had on the bike please?

[@johndulzo4820]

I have the Puig windscreen on my GSA and it really helped a lot. And was less expen$ive.....

[@marcr660907]

The Puig worked for me also.

[@TheTripleDubya]

Good to know, I have been wondering about the Puig screen. Cheers

[@braddawson2340]

I purchased the puig, but I’m now second guessing myself. Was wondering if anyone has tried both for comparison??

[@johndulzo4820]

I had the Puig. Broke it in a crash. Got the Marathon II And it was better by a lot.

[@johndulzo4820]

Also. The Puig clip on visor to add is really nice. And you’re not looking through a large aluminum clamp. And three sizes. FAR BETTER. I’ve carried mine to my K1600 GTL and now my RT.

[@raycollington4310]

“A lot of noise and airflow from my mouth” classic, this was very funny, well done Dave!

[@LongWayHome]

:) Yes, he writes the best stuff....unknowingly though..

[@Hugoensuisse]

Hello thanks for the comparison! Very interesting I'm 190CM seat in high position, do you think the marathons screen will be enough??? Thanks

[@BarracudaHawk]

What was the wind speed from your fan? Did you measure it?

[@Mapother78]

Useful video. Thanks. I’ve just upgraded from a GS to a GSA and am disappointed that the wind noise is worse on the GSA. By the way, is that the phone docking mount you have on your GSA? Any good?

[@LongWayHome]

It’s a cheap one that fits in the original cradle but I don’t use it anymore because it grinds down the original pins. Stuck to quadlock

[@Mapother78]

Thanks. That’s helpful.

[@philmorrow2446]

When I was a teenager wind was part of the riding experience and a good blast was expected. Now I am older I find wind has become much more of a pain in the butt. Even the wind noise isn't as funny to the ears as it used to be. I'm afraid wind is just a part of life but it passes.😌😏 BMW used to spend a lot of money in wind tunnels (moto guzzi's I believe) when developing the r 100 RS and RT models. These were designed to be able to sit at 100 mph on autobahn all day long. What happened to that dedication. The wunderlich screen seems to do what it says, great but €175 for a bit of plastic and a piece of metal??? Leave it out!!! Wonder where it's made. Nice to see Dave out of the cellar and doing something useful.😂😂😂. I haven't enjoyed so much "scientific experimentation" since we had a programme called Tomorrows World on UK TV. Brilliant. Once again an epic production were the presenters are prepared to suffer for their fellow mankind!!! Tea and medals chaps!!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@docchris4004]

I am 1,95m and installed the little 3D Wind deflector additionally. Now I am in pure silence with the seat in the upper position and can ride with the visor open. It works great but looks horrible. 😉 stabilization mount is a must have!

[@sdipper7]

What screen are adding the 3D Wind deflector to?

[@docchris4004]

sdipper7 to the marathon screen

[@joemartin7332]

Have you tried any side deflectors for buffeting on the shoulders? I use the Puig deflector on top of my GS screen. Great for the head, but not shoulders. Does not obstruct vision

[@manardh7387]

Sadly, the wind at top of helmet causes buffeting while at the same time shoves that wind into the air vent on many helmets. So, on very hot days I might prefer the wind at top. To block all the wind, get into a car or behind a big monster highway bike screen. That cool wind feels good on top of my head.

[@Uninfluenceable]

I may be the only one who thinks this, but just I cannot look through a plastic wind shield on a motorcycle. It's always impairs visibility way more than aids in wind reduction. Look at 6:00 you got to deal with glare, dirt, scratches and optical distortions, not to mention uneven buffeting in all the wrong places. I'd much, much rather not have a windshield at all.

[@jaknayree2000]

the best height IMO is the one where the screen top part ends at your nose level so that your eyes look at the road just above it. Almost Did a trip to Alaska and the screen got dirty fast with all of the mosquitoes and other bugs kills. Ran into a fellow rider who had to ride standing as he could see the road due to the tall dirty screen he had...

[@paulbridge6063]

Hi there, have you actually tried with a smaller sports screen? maybe getting good clean air hitting you might be the answer you are looking for, just an idea,

[@HennieBours]

Why didn't you lift or tilt the windshields with the big knob on the right hand side? I think you tried it in the lowest position only.

[@AbdulAllahAbuDaoud]

When do you send out the PHD’s on wind dynamics? Of course I will waive the degree if you review the Benelli Imperiale. Whaddya think?

[@chrislecouteur2360]

Great vid .... my other half said I'm a wind expert after a bake beans on toast lol

[@vancemarin8022]

I have a bad neck and the wind on my helmet eases the strain and pain of holding my head up. Ditto for my back with shoulder wind and I have small racing style screen which is perfect for my usage..

[@warrison77]

Great science! What phone mount are you using?

[@LongWayHome]

It's in the description.

[@speedyc9473]

I ride a a GSA but are a little shorter I put the low seat on to get flat footed and this has all so meant I get no wind buffeting as well as a side benefit

[@robertakerson7186]

Mr. LWH- What a great idea to test these windscreen alternatives. The smoke test of the Marathon screen seems to show that you are seeing over the screen; is this true and also does this screen have different sizes (and if so which is your test model)? Thanks, Bob

[@LongWayHome]

No different sizes and at 1.8 on low i am sort of seeing over the screen. It's not bothersome though.

[@kevinarmstrongyoutube]

Flashback to Moses with the 15 Commandments.

[@electron1980]

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[@kevinarmstrongyoutube]

@@electron1980 in the History of the World by Mel Brooks, Moses started with 15 Commandments on three tablets...15 Commandments.

[@electron1980]

If you say so...

[@zacharyfett2491]

@@kevinarmstrongyoutube One did not survive the drop test.........

[@HumanityWillPrevail]

@@electron1980 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2WbmaVufc13rJI

[@curtchaffee]

Id go with very expensive alternative. An RT.

[@cpuuk]

What's not to like- now, if they can throw in a GS to go with it, I'd buy it.

[@UncleWally3]

The title gave me false hope that Long Way Home found a cure for flatulence.

[@LongWayHome]

I look at flatulence as more of an advantage than a problem...

[@UncleWally3]

Long Way Home: If only our marriage counselor could have uttered a similar opinion . . .

[@MrAndrew1953]

You could just put up a mast and clear plastic spiniker.?? Very sunny weather in Romania, no wind. Just stick with the nice little one Dave & BMW designed for the bike.

[@jebutah9705]

But what about ventilation of the inside the helmet. Out in the western US 90 degrees one needs airflow

[@t38talontr]

what is the speed your fan moves air at?

[@damianmcnulty7663]

Can you ask Dave if he's had his helmet buffeted yet....

[@olironrider8918]

There was a time once when I got a whole bunch of wind right in my face.... Luckily... it came off..!! 🤪

[@BMW-LED-light-tronics]

How about the view through or above the Marathon shield ? In the adjustment of windflow over the helmet, is the view over the Marathon shield possible ?

[@LongWayHome]

On the highest setting no, on the lowest yes.

[@BMW-LED-light-tronics]

@@LongWayHome I like to know, if you adjust it into your satisfied windprotection position, can you look over it ?

[@gtcristi]

Salut, am avut ocazia ca vorbesc cu un inginer la de Nolan si-mi explica faptul ca el nu înțelege cum multi folosesc un "geam" cat mai mare pentru a nu mai primi nici un fel de "vânt" in casca. Tipul fiind unul dintre cei ce testau aerodinamic produktele lor. Treaba este așa ca ei (Nolan) investesc o grămadă de timp si bani pentru a face căștile cat mai aerodinamice posibil iar noi "stricam" totul pentru ca anulam acea aerodinamica a căștii prin parbrizuri mai sau ridicate. Am înțeles ca pe tine te deranja si la umeri vântul puternic si da, poate ca te ajunge un geam mai mare. Eu unul conduc cu geamul de GS dat cat mai jos posibil. Momentan an un Nolan N1005Plus care pentru mine este una dintre căștile perfecte (Shoe, Schubert, NEXX, ... am tot testat si avut).

[@CompositionXn]

Nice home experiment. Most of the coloured dye materials are relatively toxic, so I would not breathe them in too much.

[@LongWayHome]

Too late. The unicorns seem to have gone back home though, so that's good.

[@tgazajug2]

One word wind solution: RT

[@daveh8263]

Is there a noticeable change in gas mileage with the bigger screen?

[@LongWayHome]

I doubt it's noticeable. We don't talk about gas mileage on bikes :D They're meant for fun.

[@VITOMOTOTRAVEL]

Oem adv screen. I am 190cm and i am fine with wind. But i come from bmw rockstar so you know a lot of wind 😜

[@mrcintheuk5596]

Rumours have it that a well know after market manufacturer is on the verge of producing an organic screen that expands with increased regidity as the riding becomes faster. 🤔

[@LongWayHome]

What magic is this?!?

[@Anton_G_604]

This is easier than getting Dave to write a decent script. But not by much.

[@brucewilliams6604]

Jeeez-O-Peeets ..... does it need to be That Dramatic .........

[@mikeyb6737]

good vid

[@soilsmanadv6673]

If you had used chloropictrin infused with nitros oxide you could have had a good laugh and cry at the same time from the wind coming in.

[@Ibrahas]

Going to Sturgis indeed!

[@hedgehog3900]

2008GS,OEM. Noisy head battering at 80mph+ i have lazily learned to live with it. In the upright position pisses the wife off. Useful to know. 6ft2.

[@armadilllo]

What does it matter when BMWs are always on the back of a tow truck?

[@MrEtnorb]

Get an Aeroflow from the USA and problem solved.

[@81722Les]

Why do you say its 175Euros, its 242 Euros

[@LongWayHome]

Link pls. The Marathon screen is 175.

[@81722Les]

@@LongWayHome www.wunderlich.de/shop/en/wunderlich-screen-marathon-with-screen-reinforcement-m42710-502.html There you go

[@WunderlichGmbH]

Hi, only the screen is about 175€. With the Screen reinforcement, what we highly recomment, it is about 242€. Best Regards, Sven

[@philippem5695]

@@WunderlichGmbH 42710-201 is 201,58

[@dinkydotzero]

Smoked Romanian on a german sausage?

[@roadglide]

Dinky Dot Exactly.

[@TheWanderingGeezer]

I’m the big screen seems to work well but boy is it ugly!

[@tomxaak]

ya'll aren't exactly a naked bike bunch, are you? :)

[@LongWayHome]

I mean, Dave was spotted naked on a bike once....

[@TheTripleDubya]

Just got off one, up until now I’ve always had naked bikes but after my last trip across Australia I decide I was sick of fighting the wind, so I find the GSA to be a happy compromise.

[@MiamiJato]

MRA is just better....