LORCANA, ONE PIECE, ONSLAUGHT, 40K 10TH! Kohdok Talks about a bunch of stuff May 2023.

With three videos still in script heck, a video about stray thoughts about a variety of games.
Alternative Titles:
Disney's Lorcana is Duel Masters Again.
One Piece TCG DON't got no future.
Somehow FF's Star Wars TCG returned...
An Onslaught of overpricedness.
Dystopia comes to Dystopian Wars
A big 10 for 40k. Would that make it 50k?
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[@KeyThrast]

I still miss Duel Masters and wish it had succeeded in the U.S…

[@rizqihidayatullah6474]

It's really really very unlikely, IMO. Even after they announced to officially expand in Asia last year, only a few countries there that get to be touched by them. And obviously it's very hard to compete with other card games, especially when Yu-Gi-Oh! started to get official expansion in the same place too

[@KeyThrast]

@@rizqihidayatullah6474 Oh yeah I definitely know it’s not happening. That’s why I wish it had succeeded and did well when it first came over. Vanguard managed to thrive enough, so it’s not the most impossible, but I do feel it’s be harder for Duel Masters since it’s already failed here twice

[@rizqihidayatullah6474]

@@KeyThrast The previous two loses seems to be a great impact on WOTC dan TakTom. Even there's still has no notable event yet in here after getting official expansion, as if they didn't really into that. At least I just hope there will be at least 1 notable event and enough players to attended it so it's not become an un-selling event or something like that. I too want to come but my home is really far away from the place they would be held the event. . .

[@Xehnas]

Not gonna lie, I wish someone would buy up the rights to buddyfight and rebrand it. Like the mechanics and the most of the game was really cool, it just had a dorky name and a couple outlying problems like impact cards. Like the thing I loved the most about it was the flags (though i would have liked them to allow proxies of all basic flags or at least make all basic flags commons and easy to attain). The coolest things were always things like Dragon Ein that gave you a legitimate challenge in deck building, allowing all dragons but no generic support. I think with a few things changed up that system would be really fun, and even kinda able to easily translate to 4 player.

[@Stinkoman87]

In the latter days of the game they put print-and-play proxies on their website for all the flags except the time dragon one.

[@Xehnas]

@@Stinkoman87 Im happy to hear that. Never got into it, but I followed the show throughout its original seasons. Least up until series 2.

[@guilty_neco]

Thailand is basically doing what you're saying

[@Xehnas]

@@guilty_neco I hope it goes well then, I would definitely look into it.

[@generalmclovin7104]

Wait is someone in Thailand buying the rights to Buddyfight, making a Buddyfight like game, or is there still a Buddyfight scene in Thailand?

[@alfredosaint-jean9660]

😄The "more unique aspect from Lorcana" is a well know mechanic from Keyforge.

[@revimfadli4666]

Funny how victory points are "unique" in TCGs, in contrast to its near-overuse in boardgaming

[@jameslarochelle8501]

From the perspective of someone who has played a lot of Duel Masters clones, then Lorcana may not be impressive. However, for a portion of the audience, this will be their first encounter with the system. With a lot of clones competing for players' dollars, the strength of the system is definitely a factor, but so is the theme. If the reason they're buying Lorcana is because they like Disney, then it's not going to matter (as much) to them that Duel Masters is a better game so long as they enjoy the experience they get from Lorcana. If the game is "good enough" to keep them hooked, then it has a chance to gradually evolve into something even better.

[@rizqihidayatullah6474]

Yup, I'm agree. The most important thing is the game can keep its player to keep playing it. Even after Duel Masters did official expansion to some countries in Asia, not much notable events were held. And some people still hold their "language barrier" excuse even though they didn't even try so it's a bit hard to invite newcomers. And it's also happened when Konami announced YGO official expansion to here, some players made their that excuse again 🤣

[@xofnahtan]

Lore isn't a life point system, you have to choose to attack your opponents character OR go questing for lore. It's not a fight, it's a race to 20 lore.

[@revimfadli4666]

Yeah it's more like victory points in Keyforge isn't it +

[@xofnahtan]

@@revimfadli4666 pretty much.

[@WarpedByTheNHK]

You can also choose to attack either the other player or their creatures in games like Shadowverse, yet that is still a life based game. The only real difference is that Lorcana cards have two different attack stats depending on what they are attacking. Lorcana lore system is basically a life system as long as you are playing 1v1.

[@brexcubo6766]

Lore is a life system in 1v1 situation. It works exactly the same way, having a stat for "direct damage" being different is a small gimmick that doesn't really help much imo.

[@stephenschaffenberger6765]

I actually think the Don system makes for some interesting tactical decisions. Do you use your extra Don to summon a stronger character OR do you attach it to a character currently in play to make them harder to block? That dichotomy mixed with the counter system creates a very simple and approachable push and pull style gameplay. I also like that it can buff any unit, so your vanilla units can become a threat even without extra abilities.

[@Th3Treasoner]

Exactly. I think Kohdok just likes taking a dump on Bandai games, or at least he gets a first impression and then it sticks. OP is great, it's only going to evolve with time, and the Don deck is exactly what a resource based game should be. You don't ever get resource screwed, and there's several things to do with said resources. It's also not a Duel Masters clone, he's higher than a kite there.

[@Shoelid]

As much as I fell in love with the One Piece TCG, I agree with what you're saying about it here. The game design severely limits deckbuilding and there are plenty of balance issues. Red decks just keep getting more support meanwhile everything else struggles for relevancy. Shame because some of the art is great.

[@delpeck2067]

This is why I quit the game

[@andreelmatacoronavirusquin1322]

Tbf it seems they’re addressing red’s dominance in set 4 since every color gets a ton of amazing support while red gets like one good card. And there’s probably no way that whitebeard, zoro and law don’t get hit in the banlist in some way.

[@angelo9024]

Only reason One Piece TCG won’t die is because the IP is crazy popular.

[@Shoelid]

@@angelo9024 unfortunately there’s a million examples that show IP alone can’t carry a card game.

[@Shoelid]

@@delpeck2067 yeah it’s on the back burner for me. I’m not prepared to face another 6 months of law and whitebeard at my locals.

[@lawrencetyrpa]

Awesome, a mix of news like that is a pleasure to watch! Also, really looking forward to your next videos you've mentioned.

[@ReadingRulesDallas]

Thanks, Kohdok! You nailed it again!

[@Rayquaza894]

“No lore interaction” Aladdin has entered the chat

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

Yes. And there's a god chance there's more of them

[@Kohdok]

Not quite what I meant. I mean effect like "Give an opponent 2 lore: Draw a card" or 'If your opponent has 15 or more lore, this card can be played for free".

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

@@Kohdok I would like that. Like:2 cost action card, draw two lose 2 lore. That sounds cool

[@Rayquaza894]

@@Kohdoktechnically removing lore is more interactive, but I do think there will be cards that benefit based on lore count

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

​@@Rayquaza894 yes

[@mikhaelterranov4183]

"Yet another Duel Masters clone not again" as Duel Masters player I kinda approve this. Many newer and older TCG took inspiration from DueMa for sure, since it is a simpler version of MTG (MTG Lite) and easy to understand.

[@ThiagoRodrigues-kh7iz]

A good point here is that Ryan Miller was the lead designer for Duel masters. The same lead designer for Lorcana, Digimon so the similarities make sense

[@corvusblackfeather456]

Thanks for the video, i tend to take notes whenever i watch your content regarding card games and the many things i did not realize while growing up playing with them

[@victorsholl8859]

Can't wait to see the Choice & Risk video! I'm sure it'll be great and very inspiring, as usual.

[@jdvred9210]

Surely I can't be the only one who's sorta wanting to learn Lorcana, only so that I could make the custom Luz card that the big mouse was too cowardly to give us

[@Iceykitsune]

It's not cowardice, it's the fact that Ravensburger's license is specifically with Walt Disney Animation Studios

[@victort.2583]

I think Lorcana could end up fun... although I'm not particularly interested in picking it up. That said, if they ever add Spectrobes to it, I'd be pretty excited.

[@jdvred9210]

Same for me, but with The Owl House

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

​@@jdvred9210 yes. Hopefully they'll consider it to "fit the disney brand" again so they can be included. A luz card that can play glyph items from your deck sounds poggers

[@alfredosaint-jean9660]

I want to see Gargoyles on it.

[@skull666388]

One Piece only really has two reasonable design spaces to play with right now imo. Tournament regulation requires Leaders and Don to be sleeved in opaque sleeves, but they can be different colors than the main deck. This makes me think that “special” don, or two sided leaders could be a thing that happens. We could get “partner” leaders that will allow for more color options. But there are only so many places the core rules can go.

[@ollimetalolli]

I agree that Lorcana likely won't have much to offer as a game, that's new or original. But I think this will be really successful because of the audience it's aiming for. This seems to be positioned as a family game, which I think is pretty unique for a TCG. And while (tournament) organized play doesn't seem to be their main focus, they also don't completely ignore it, and seem to be taking reasonable actions to offer an accessible way to bring casual play to in-store events. I assume they might kick this up a notch with support for proper tournaments down the line, if the first one or two sets find their audience. I for one, as an established competitive TCG player, am really looking forward to pick up some cards, build some decks, play with my kids, and even play at my LGS, preferably also with my family. An alternative might be Pokémon, but me and my kids a much more into Disney.

[@Zanji1234]

but for a family game ... the boosters are too expensive compared to other tcgs.

[@ollimetalolli]

@@Zanji1234 but for a family vacation ... Disneyland is too expensive compared to other destinations. ;)

[@Zanji1234]

@@ollimetalolli stupid argument 1) you wanna play a card game with your family you look at the starters and the prices. Pokémon Vs lorcana and pkm is cheaper especially if you are new to all of this (especially since Ravensburger is more known for boardgames) 2) later you wanna get more cards and even here lorcana is more expensive than every other well known TCG and not really in a "pocket money budget" kinda You already have now the discussion with parents that tcgs are way to expensive and lorcana even tops that. And we currently don't know the card quality

[@mrmeow2297]

@@Zanji1234 maybe the price will drop? lol just wait until the game comes out and let it breathe. I dont know why we're all so obsessed with wanting things to fail. It'll live or die on it's own.

[@Zanji1234]

@@mrmeow2297 yeah as soon as you critically say something you want to see it fail ....of course.... So kohdoc wants that too.? I kinda like the idea (hey playing with villains sounds cool) but am I allowed to say some critics or is that not allowed?

[@MattIsAMage]

I'll agree with most of the points on the one piece card game, however playing with it, using Don for power/to get abilities, while not as 'super impactful' does actually make any unit in the game useful, helps with kill turns and makes for elegant card text (every "DON x" ability secretly reads "this unit gains +2k power until the end of your turn"), which saves on card space. sometimes players cant use the cards in theirhand, so it's always good for 'mana' to have an alt use. that's my personal design thoughts. still sucks on the colour locking and lack-luster effects.

[@xaphan7061]

Not sure you can assert it "saves on card space" when there are entire cards with just that text on it tbh

[@MattIsAMage]

@@xaphan7061 unsure what you're trying to suggest other than "i think thats a bad take". Any examples or what you're trying to discuss with me? I'm open to Listen.

[@xaphan7061]

@@MattIsAMage no, you got it in one.

[@fernandobanda5734]

As much as color limitations by deck limit creativity and are boring, it IS an easy-to-understand and easy-to-verify limitation for people who are not well versed in TCGs (which I assume Lorcana is trying to appeal to). Other more open systems might lead to decks not functioning well for statistics reasons that a player doesn't get until they fail a lot of times.

[@amiroolbahri7061]

and also, we wont know if lorcana can come up with new card type like buddyfight flag where you can make rainbow mickey mouse deck. showing theres 3 color mickey then saying 'sorry no rainbow mickey' is weird...

[@BestgirlJordanfish]

Honestly yeah this. Though it can be seen as simple, that can also be accessible and elegant, and still pretty open and expressive of how much of each color you can play with. I would like to see open colorless cards or some cards requiring a certain number of other cards of a color though. Like maybe a group song that can be paid from multiple characters of matching color, or some other big moment to climb to. I’d love to see that capstone feel like in yugioh or digimon

[@andreelmatacoronavirusquin1322]

I really don’t see how you can say that One Piece is going to be a 2 year game when stores can barely keep it in stock and competitive events for it are selling out in 1 minute.

[@Kohdok]

A lot of games that suffer the Two Year Curse have strong initial hype. Star Wars Destiny got a similar treatment.

[@andreelmatacoronavirusquin1322]

@@Kohdok I guess that we’ll see but it’s already pretty close to it’s one year anniversary. So you might eat crow sooner than you think.

[@Bionicleforever]

he was wrong lol

[@RaveDX]

Digimon is easily the best Bandai tcg rn. Although they have a lot to improve on when it comes to their restriction list.

[@Stinkoman87]

Battle Spirits Saga is really fun too. Moving the cores around is a little fiddly but interesting.

[@kitkat4892]

@@Stinkoman87 loveeeeeee BSS

[@rizqihidayatullah6474]

At least the game had implemented good mulligan rules, so the players don't have to forcefully regret their bad luck for having Ultimate and Mega Digimon or big cost Option cards all gathered in starting hand

[@mckuden5037]

I really like this format!!

[@LAN_illust88]

realizing 3 weeks later that "yet another Duel Masters clone, not again" was to the tune of "giri giri warukunai, Watame" was like hearing the metal pipe falling sound effect

[@codenamexelda]

I have 2 (technically 3) ways to fix the one piece card game, add devil fruit cards that determine how you play the game(starting hand size, how many cards you draw, how many don cards you start with and gain during your don phase, how many times you can attack, stat boosts, cost reductions, scry effects, ect.), your idea of characters with don effects, and allowing color mixing but with the penalty of removing 2 don cards from your don deck (8 for 2 colors, 6 for 3, 4 for 4 and 2 for 5, therefore preventing mixing all 6 colors). Your leader would have to be a mono color card for that to work as intended, but at least its better than nothing.

[@orchidmantis125]

Not mentioned in the video bit Battle Spirits Saga is a a great place with it releasing fully

[@Kohdok]

Actually I worry it's suffering from a bit of anti-hype, like Bandai advertised it so aggressively that people are pushing back against it.

[@MrZer093]

@@Kohdok Yeah every time I heard anything from them, they kept bringing up the 2 million dollar prize pool, even in the official tutorial videos I watched. It turned me off hard. Like, I’m not trying to get a second job here, I just wanna play with ink and cardboard, sheesh.

[@dralgo1646]

Disclaimer: this is third hand information at bes, and i cant find corroboration from where i originally heard it. f it makes it a little better im 99% sure the don sound effect was something one piece wither invented or made more thab an obscure trivia fact. So it could be said to be one piece's iconic sound. Still not a good choice though

[@finnshelton3815]

They did. Don! is a huge part of the overall manga

[@Annarach]

With the target demographic and the same character with lots of alternative art/versions; I find myself wondering if Lorcana will end up being a Pokemon. i.e. lots of collectors, reletively few players...

[@39Lords]

It's starting out that way it looks like.

[@tipulsar85]

I'm kind of surprised it took this long for there to be a 7th Star Wars card game overall. If you're wondering "how could it be 7?", Decipher had two games not directly named Star Wars (To avoid confusing it with the then recently ended CCG) about 1999 for Young Jedi and a year plus later for Jedi Knight before WotC had one between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. As for Marvel, I hear both Legendary and Marvel Champions are still doing well. So yeah, no marvel for Lorcana either.

[@acadow4619]

Yah that's exactly what I though when I heard about the starwars game. What are we on? The 7th? The license always gets pulled at the two year mark. Everyone avoid this.

[@Zanji1234]

? I mean you had the star wars TCG from Wizards, the Star Wars CCG from Deciper, Young Jedi TCG, Jedi Knight TCG and this.

[@sterlingmason3971]

I have high hopes this one will end up awesome, but it does seem dangerous; the license being pulled is the death of any Star Wars TCG for the public, even if a fan group keeps it alive. No matter what Kohdok says, the original Decipher CCG was quite popular and the design was fun and fairly easy to ignore the increasing complexity for casual games. I think we can safely argue that Decipher losing the license was the real reason the game withered, not the mechanical bloat or the lack of source material. Star Wars has plenty of material, especially these days, so if they can nail the mechanics then let's hope they can keep the license for a long time and this game does gangbusters 🤞🤞

[@tipulsar85]

@@acadow4619 Oddly enough, the original CCG from Decipher lasted from 1995-2001. Yes, the fans still support it.

[@shinfitz]

I’d love to see this guy make a card game and actually try, not as a joke, and see what that would look like.

[@CatManThree]

I dont play lorcana but lore isnt life, its a point system you accumulate through different means. The flavor of lorcana is you creating your own disney stories with different characters amd accumulating "lore" towards the story's conclusion.

[@mrmeow2297]

My siblings gonna love this game. This is the best "magic clone" there ever was in my opinion as well.

[@marcodambrosio4711]

Lorcana mechanics felt very similar to Keyforge to me...I think it'll end up selling more as Disney merch than for a competitive scene. I'd be interested in some thoughts about Universus/MHA, since it feels interesting from the couple videos I've watched, but I don't think it's much of a thing over here (I'm from Italy). Anyway, I love this format of video! (also, after how they handled Keyforge, I don't put much trust on FF...of all the games from Bandai you think Digimon is the best? What about BBS? I'm curious if the 2nd attempt to bring it to the West will be successful or it'll end up dying after 18 months like the previous time...)

[@supermysterious66]

What did FF do with/to keyforge? I haven't been keeping up with it.

[@marcodambrosio4711]

@@supermysterious66 they handled it so bad that it died, has been sold to another company that revamped it via a kickstarter

[@snackelwolf4462]

solid analysis. Curious what you think of Grand Archive TCG, and Battle Spirits Saga as well. What I really wanted from Onslaught was a reasonably priced casual 2-4 player skirmish game (even collectible) akin to what they did in the past with D&D Minis. It is close, and I heard overall the rules are really good, but I'm hesitant...

[@Kohdok]

It is good. It's just way too pricey to put down money on for something you're not sure whether or not you will like.

[@supachigga]

1. Thanks for the snide remark on fixing commander. I wrote a blog post on how to improve the commander from a board game perspective and that was my first suggestion on improving it. 2. On your video about choice & risk, you should watch robert shepherd's video on risk management in Infinity for some background on how a game can be designed around risk.

[@kingvire]

Do you have any plans to cover battle spirits saga again since it finally released?

[@Zanji1234]

Lorcana ... well it's interesting and might be good for kids but: it's kinda expensive O_o FFG and TCGs -> instant no for me i mean they even can't handle their LCGs and discontinue them after a few years (only the non competitive ones are still alive)

[@RAISEYOURDONGERS1]

I think the Don sound in One Piece is speculated to have some hidden meaning, but it would be funny if it turns out to be nothing and the game is stuck with sound effect power ups

[@admiralcasperr]

3:10 Multi is gonna be hell with this, as after attacking you give your 3 opponents a massive chance to blow your board state out of the water. Attacking isnt a good choice as you can't defend yourself with other attackers. Same stalemate simulator, different day.

[@Veiwer77]

I'm a long time Magic player and I've pretty much only play commander now. I don't think you can "fix" commander in the way you mention. If you move the goal from hitting opponents to gaining points then you will change your approach to deck building and strategy completely! Favoring decks that are hyper aggressive over any other. If you can come up with something that won't need deck changes I'd be willing to give it a shot with my group(if they're willing) but we're more casual overall.

[@nathanl8622]

I mean, I think that's the point. If the goal is making faster and more interactive games, then of course faster decks are going to be rewarded. If you want a fix that doesn't require any changes to your deckbuidling... I don't think you want the fix, I think you're already playing how you want to play. And I can't speak to whether such a change would make the format better or worse long-term, but it would at least help the "why do white and red suck in this ruleset that actively goes against their strengths" problem.

[@Realsheepsoft]

Neopia's Strongest Soldier: Lore is literally just Neopets but without any of the design space afforded by having to put cards in the bank to score

[@darklordkuro7953]

Funny looking back on this in 2024 after one piece tcg managed to outsel both dbs super and digimon.

[@slyder5597]

Any thoughts on Shadowverse Evolve with its upcoming English release?

[@Ramsey276one]

0:56 that face O M G XD My sympathies

[@zacdemarest5493]

eager rookie such a baddie

[@thomasalvarenga2839]

All of these magic and duel masters expies makes me question why Pokémon doesn’t see many expies beyond some indie games like the one we won’t name.

[@Iceykitsune]

Because the game isn't that great, and is only still played because of the popularity of the brand.

[@xaphan7061]

​@@IceykitsuneI think that's only slightly unfair. The game, like the other members of the big three, is beholden to ancient design decisions that seriously hold it back. They've figured out how to work around and minimize the impact of those design spaces to produce games that are genuinely well-loved and offer unique, fun experiences with a lot of depth, but you're not going to see people replicate them because frankly there are better notes to crib from.

[@goncaloferreira6429]

@@xaphan7061 generic old games are old commentary? apart from pokemon´s prize system) corrcted in duel masters, what is wrong or old with the game? what better games would would take inspiration from? what are some new ideas that newer card games have inroduced?

[@xaphan7061]

@@goncaloferreira6429 The resource system of Energy cards is a fairly egregious example no one is jumping to copy one-for-one. Blank resource cards shuffled into the deck is a fairly antiquated bottleneck that can create non-games, eats deck space, and in early pokemon encouraged fairly degenerate play-patterns centered around grinding your opponent out of energy via ER and SER. Those cards represent the other issue, Trainers, which were far and away the most powerful card type as they actually had no inherent activation costs outside of card-specific discard costs, leading to most decks being composed of 20-30 trainer cards and seeking to minimize energy cards as much as possible. Early Pokémon is known for explosive decks like Rain Dance and Haymaker, but the truth is games go to deck out all the time. Decks all run tons of disruption and are perfectly happy to force you to kill them if they have a deck lead, content to take you to 0 cards if they don't dispatch you via a quick Lass turn 1. It's kind of miserable. They've since made changes to address some of the core issues with that, like making the more powerful trainers "Supporters" with a hard OPT and bringing down energy costs, as well as making energy searching and recovery more plentiful, but that is the thing- they will have to rankle with energy and Trainers forever. Every set they have to work AROUND energy to minimize its negative impact on play. Thankfully they (mostly) did away with 90% of the cards having coinflip effects that can rob entire games, like getting Tongue Wrapped 6 turns in a row. Again, the modern game is plenty fun and well-beloved but they didn't get the benefit of Duel Masters to know that single-purpose resource cards suck. Trainers are still insanely powerful, and watching your opponent tunnel through their deck on turn one isn't a thing of the past. Pokemon IS in a unique position where it's IP helps it a lot, and they have worked with the framework to produce a fun experience, but if you're making a new game I think the high volatility, poor interaction, and problematic card types are not something you want to copy-paste. That was my entire point, not that "old games are old" or whatever you tried to put in my mouth. Even the vaunted Duel Masters is explicitly made with an attempt to work away from land cards, which also kind of suck even if they've made use of that card type to produce interesting and fun game experiences. That is the question when cribbing from an existing game: what is worth taking and what is worth leaving behind? Unfortunately, pokemon has a ton you want to leave behind.

[@majou666]

You are a true game sage. 😊

[@Conspirachu]

My biggest issue with one piece is that it reminds me too much of Artifact but is somehow even more deterministic. Because of the design space and game mechanics, you do the same thing thing every game. Also, there isn't enough room in deck building for fun and wacky strategies to keep me personally interested as well.

[@Iceykitsune]

3:58 ironically enough, the revealed human-form Ariel can't be used for this mechanic, because she has no voice!

[@finnshelton3815]

I need to get this off my chest. I like a lot of your content kohdok, but just because you don't like a game, doesn't mean it will fail. I don't like flesh and blood, and fine it boring and repetitive, but it is undeniably successful. I wish you would stop saying things will fail when you don't like how they play. You have a lot of influence, and saying things that may be baseless can affect the overall success or outlook on the community.

[@Kohdok]

I WISH I had that level of influence. I do have experience, though. And these were just my observations: Disney seemed in a real hurry to announce Lorcana to try to grab the TCG bubble and I legit do not see a way for One Piece to grow or evolve its central mechanics the way DBS and Digimon have.

[@amiroolbahri7061]

Agree on this.. "Duel Master clone" to me is not as bad as the system works and the games considered as clone have their own unique thing (even if its just one thing, it normally effect the whole gameplay). Why drink from another well if the current well is known to provide you with clean water?

[@Kohdok]

Indeed! Why play a Magic-Alike when you can just play Magic?

[@MrZer093]

@@Kohdok lmao this guy thinking you’re a big name. You’re great so I mean no offense but people stay in their little bubbles are weird

[@finnshelton3815]

@@MrZer093 no, I just am aware that 55kish people routinely watch this content, which is a significantly larger reach than the average person.

[@argossoares8613]

Hey Kohdok, have you ever heard of a card game called Dinn? i found about it recently but apparently it started in 2020, from what i found. I haven't seen anything on the channel about it so i dont know if you know about it. Looks interesting and i think you should check it out, if not for the channel, at least for personal curiosity.

[@teifan6674]

Wait, is the new star wars game a collectible card game? I legit thought they were announcing a deckbuilder (like star realms, or dune imperium). Oh my, star wars destiny's corpse isn't even cold yet! Let's hope this time at least you won't need to bring a whole casino worth of chips and dice just to play the game

[@michaelfloodine]

For a moment I thought you were one of the lucky group to get Rustage's One Piece dnd... imean "Devil's Luck" card game

[@gerharddamm5933]

Im sick of how expensive TCGs are

[@doctorswordofficial5729]

Im just excited to make an alice in wonderland deck

[@ChengHorn9]

If Duel Masters tries to reboot in the near future all the young people will think it's unoriginal and not play it...

[@dabomb3336]

Early Bird!

[@KripdomIII]

Upstart Goblin?

[@midgardian2216]

I get some of the Lorcana design choices, but I think this will severely limit the demographic it will appeal to...

[@sulphurspanic26]

I want Gaurd Caime and i want it now i DEMAND IT!!!!

[@rizqihidayatullah6474]

I remember that one time I come to a locals outside my place in another city, I went there to find some friends to play Duel Masters (with the latest cards) but that day is the turn they played One Piece, and one of the employees offered to learn play it. Well I just accepted and play it. It's good and not bad, but I'm already focused on Duel Masters until now so yeah that's it

[@MechaFoxs]

Duel Masters is still extremely popular in Japan. It is probably why people are trying to copy it so much.

[@dragonmk123]

Late bird!

[@xSnarfsx]

I feel like they'll keep printing one piece longer than 2 years but it'll basically be held up only by collectors. I've seen people who have zero interest in playing the game buy whole boxes.

[@ManOfVidav]

that goofy impression gave me a good nose exhale

[@robertmacfergus9288]

Regarding Lorcana there is also the huge problem that Disney publicly thanked the organisations that ran a Uyghur internment camps in the credits of the Mulan reboot, during a time when The Uyghur Genocide was public knowledge and shoot to kill orders from the camps were already leaked out of the country nearly two years before the movie came out. We had solid evidence of the Uyghur Genocide and they still thanked the organisations that participated, they had nearly two years to pull the thanks from the credits. They never released an apology and recently(a few days ago) cancelled a meeting with some Uyghur refugees.

[@beiwubsnsod7378]

Thats completely irrelevant to the game, thats just an issue with disney as a whole. It would be like if someone was talking about the last tier zero format in yugioh and i bring up how konami only uses their brands for pachinko machines.

[@robertmacfergus9288]

​@@beiwubsnsod7378How is it irrelevant? The game is funded, owned by and gives profits to a corporation that is willing to thank people committing known human rights abuses. Boycotting a product because of corporate behaviour is valid, people are boycotting mtg for sending The Pinkertons to someone's home, why should we not do the same to Disney when they show support for genocide. While anything made by Disney is a good time to bring up the corporations behaviour Lorcana is not part of a franchise like Marvel or Star Wars, Lorcana represents the entire corporation of Disney, it is the best project to point out the corporations problems. It is singularly the product closest to the Mulan reboot then any other project Disney has released since then, I think it would be odd not to bring it up. Also a worrisome number of people aren't aren't even aware of the Uyghur Genocide, and we have seen that Disney has not been punished very much by the market. Disney controls too much media for most people to boycott it practically, it has became such a large part of culture at this point and it owns a comedic amount of properties. Lorcana however is a perfect opportunity to talk about the corporations problems. Ultimately I think that Disney did something so messed up that I should bring up its actions in when ever reasonable. On the exceedingly rare occasion that something involving Disney ends up in the media I consume and the subject is basically an ego project for the corporation, I am going to interpret that as a perfect opportunity to bring up its actions. If a Disney executive gets a note from public relations saying that a Star Wars movie undersold because of Mulan credits backlash they are not likely going to believe it, Star Wars is owned by Disney but it doesn't represent it. However if they get the same note regarding Lorcana they may well believe it, because it isn't Star Wars underperforming it is Disney underperforming.

[@EmperorPylades]

Money talks, and China is such a big market that they can't hear their conscience over it. Just kidding. Multi-billion dollar corporations never had a conscience to begin with.

[@greenheart5334]

Shits overhyped by marketing PR stuff.

[@skunkwitch39]

one day kohdok will talk more about keyforge snd its return

[@graceggale]

Okay but I *do* like Eager Rookie.

[@brcienpartin5462]

I have been confused why the One Piece game has been so popular, but I still don't see it lasting more than the dbz game, which has a scene in a city 2 hours away from me. I think Lorcana is great if you consider it will be so many people's first tcg, like maybe more than any game except the big three. Simple, normal tcg is what I think works best for that.

[@rizqihidayatullah6474]

Probably because the influence of its anime and manga that's very popular until now

[@brcienpartin5462]

@rizqihidayatullah6474 Well I love One Piece, but I want to see cards the quality of the Zoro art or the super chase ace. Instead, they have images that I can't tell whether or not if they're just ripped from the anime.

[@rizqihidayatullah6474]

@@brcienpartin5462 well using some artworks or references from anime, manga, or their other media aside from new original one is quite normal. Even Duel Masters has some cards that uses artwork from manga or scenes in anime, usually at reprinted cards. Artworks is one of the selling point too, after all. Although I'm not really into it, especially if the price is too high, like some "transformed-into-girls" artworks in certain DMART Fabolous Art cards.

[@Thomazbr]

@@brcienpartin5462 That really only plagued the first set. From second set and forwards they have basically stopped doing anime screenshots

[@smokinasnivy]

Acting like don!! Is the only design space in which one piece can develop is pretty disingenuous.

[@hash-tag-aecg7087]

You're giving wizards of the coast too much credit. They make things expensive to sell them, not give a crud about everyone having a chance to buy it.

[@jgmatthews2901]

I'd blame Hasbro for that more than Wizards.

[@kingo5675]

Idk I reay like one pieces don mechanic. One of the best decks right now focuses on playing low cost characters and buffing them each turn to get hits in. If that lasted both turns it'd be too much

[@kingo5675]

That 2 year game comment doesn't sound too crazy though 😮‍💨especially If Konami keeps this awful pattern of product availability

[@Rayquaza894]

Saying one piece lasting only 2 years……um what? Lol

[@gamezilla345]

Game is kinda cheeks, but One Piece is a really strong IP and there's a rather bustling secondary market already, so it'll probably survive on the back of fan collectors and financial speculators. I think it's more accurate to say that organized/competitive play will last 2 years at most.

[@Rayquaza894]

@@gamezilla345its been a year in Japan and in the west sign ups of 1k are filled in 2 minutes. Its lasting way more than that

[@rokmare]

I know people that likes one piece but don't play the games or even touch the TCG so I won't be surprised if it flopped

[@Rayquaza894]

@@rokmarenot every one piece fan buying tcgs lol

[@Kohdok]

There's a ton of Star Wars fans so I'm sure Star Wars Destiny will be fi-UH OH. Also, Warhammer has gotten numerous card games, all of which flopped, soooooo...

[@randomguy6232]

Imma be real I think the one piece take is a miss. The don system has a lot of unique potential and interactions compared to most other resource systems. Keeping a physical deck of cards as your resource solves the issues of resource dedicated cards and cards as resources, along with giving you uses for your resources no matter what point of the game you're in. As for leaders determining colors, it serves as a way to help define and balance each new leader, and overall makes learning the game and building simpler, even if it restricts your card pool. I feel the arguments over a film card not being usable in a film deck or using don instead of something more story specific or tailored to the cards feels more like nitpicks than noteworthy criticism. Of all bandai's games it's probably the only one I find any interest in, whereas Digimon quickly devolved into a mess, and dragonball is all but dead outside Japan for the most part.

[@rokmare]

If Disney wanted their own card game they could have just turn to SE and make a kingdom hearts card game instead of whatever this is

[@Kohdok]

They did. It immediately collapsed at the height of KH's popularity.

[@rokmare]

@@Kohdok The problem is Disney never really do any marketing that had to do with Kingdom Hearts if Disney willing to market a reboot for a Kingdom Hearts TCG and with SE help I'm sure it would do better at least it's a more recognize IP among gamers than whatever Lorcana is

[@andypandaman1607]

Noooo iv made the like count 666

[@GunbladeKnight]

Oh no, apparently Lorecana is going to be boring because they aren't doing everything in the first set and having potential room for expansion later! And Don has a lot more strategy in the decision making then you seem to give it. Plus it at least gives you something to do with it if you are top decking or you just need that small boost and don't want to spend a card on it. Plus, why do you need your leader to transform when it's just a special activation like the One Piece characters?

[@Kohdok]

But where does DON go from here? How does it grow, evolve, and change the way Awaken and Digivolve have? What design space can expand around it? That's been my big question since the beginning.

[@GunbladeKnight]

@@Kohdok They could make special Don the same way they make utility lands, They could make different ways things interact with Don or different ways to pay with Don. And that's just small ways I thought of off the top of my head for Don and nothing to do with how the cards themselves will or can evolve.

[@GunbladeKnight]

@@nmr7203 I don't play One Piece myself despite having some decks. Is it just that Don have different card backs to the rest of the deck, kind of like Digi-Eggs do in Digimon? Oh yeah, definitely no way to innovate on them because we've never seen innovation in Digi-Eggs ever.

[@DerpyMudkipTCG]

@@GunbladeKnight the don cards in packs have promotional backing for things like the tutorial app and stuff and the ones in decks have a backing that is a different coloration of the regular card backs (kind of like digi-eggs are white compared to the regular blue). So the main thing I think Kohdok was saying is that since don can have a different backing than other don (and don cards currently don't need to be sleeved in official events), making a new type of don with a different effect would not be a possibility in this game based on a logical assumption. digimon really is unique with the inheritable effects and had plenty of room for growth in new mechanics, but I think for DBS, the awaken mechanic he's talking about isn't actually all that special a mechanic that I could see getting built off of for many many sets. it's almost the same thing as giving a one piece leader a once per game effect that can only be activated when you get low enough on life or meet a certain condition. I haven't played DBS much, but it seems way too similar to one piece. you have a leader, life that gets taken if you can match or beat over the opponent's leader power, the counter mechanic on cards. the main differences are in DBS you use the mana playing/paying mechanics from duel masters and in one piece you use the shield trigger mechanic from duel masters and are limited to only having 5 characters on the board at one time. other than that and the don card system, the games are almost identical in gameplay mechanics. So, if one piece is a supposed 2-year game, then DBS should have been as well and it's gone on for 6 years now.

[@Thomazbr]

@@Kohdok Awaken changed by introduced a whole new side deck to it. You can easily do that with One Piece.

[@ceulgai2817]

Honestly not surprised the One Piece TCG was phoned in. I could make a comment about the quality of the anime, but I think that Nico Robin art in this video says all that's needed about my lack of surprise.

[@Larry.R]

I was wondering if Kohdok had changed his tune on Lorcana... Nope. That was a silly thought, wasn't it? 😂

[@ebbandfloatzel]

I know it was a side point, but I kinda want to place my two cents on the commander 'problem' you brought up because I dont think a "finish line" will fix it. There are plenty of decks that just reach a "finish line" easily. I think the biggest way to fix commander is to add side goals to the game, with a "league-like" tracking of points. Sadly, this only works with dedicated friend groups or a lgs willing to put in the hassle. But decks will naturally get less optimized to fit the extra little goals to earn more points, which fixes a single player just overpowering the table with every deck they play. But it also encourages players to be more interactive in the game, leading to more "moments" or such. And if people are willing, losers pool together for a prize to the winner of the 'League.' Like a playmat.

[@gcavrubio]

I find the one piece TCG very underwhelming. Your 2-year prophecy will not hold true, though. The game is a huge success carried by the one piece name

[@dvdboy3993]

I hope these games do well

[@aezogeus]

The best option at this point is to just play Duel Masters - be it in Japanese, the game has a robust English wiki and small, dedicated communities all over the world. Plus, the OCG has advanced a fair bit to where we have some amazing mechanics to boot - for those familiar, the most recent Mechraid mechanic is undoubtedly a vast improvement over Magibomber, getting around most anti-meta / lockdown restrictions and bringing old races back into the light. For those familiar with the English TCG, the Bolshack archetype is back in a big way, Giants and Snow Faeries are ruling the scene, Petrova and Kuukai are relevant again and much much more!

[@rizqihidayatullah6474]

At least in Duel Masters, FTK or First Turn Lock is very rarely happened, or even impossible. You don't have much options to do with 1 mana after all. So at least both players can still do anything on their turn before either of them started to doing their main strategy, like start to attack and continuously spamming more creatures, or setup your field or GY for further usage, etc. And there are some mechanics that can be used to counter some opposite moves although it's a bit conditional, like Ninja Strike (and the upcoming Ninja Change) or Revolution 0 Trigger

[@rizqihidayatullah6474]

And yeah, Bolshack archetype is very very supported until now. It has so much variation and upgraded, even the Bolshack Dragon itself has a Twinpact version (Creature+Spell in 1 card) that has more obvious usage than the original one

[@aezogeus]

@@rizqihidayatullah6474 Agreed - even with all the crazy things that exist for the game, it's one of if not THE most balanced TCG experience I've had, and I've tried a LOT of TCGs 😅 The big 3 don't even come close with their clunky playstyles.

[@rizqihidayatullah6474]

@@aezogeus I played Digimon too just for a while, and now I focused on Duel Masters only. The game is good and interesting, I also loved its Digivolution concept like in its primary franchise. But the most thing I dislike is how easily your hand gets bricked in early game. It's almost exactly same setup as DM (set 5 top deck as your security first and draw 5 starting hand), and you can easily get bricked when too much Lv4+, or Champion Ultimate even Mega Digimon in your hand. In Duel Masters, even high cost cards come first won't be a problem, we can just drop them into mana zone for using other important cards later. But in Digimon. you cannot do much with than kind of hand. Especially when the Memory resources is shared together with opponent. So all you can do is skip your turn, giving away 3 memory to opponent or forcefully play high level Digimon and giving that much memory to opponent, allowing them to prepare more setup. Although this problem has been mitigated with new mulligan rules or new Digimon that has also On Play effects together with When Digivolving effects, but giving so much resource to opponents without proper setup is really troublesome 😅

[@aezogeus]

@@rizqihidayatullah6474 Don't even get me started on Digimon TCG 🤣 The sheer power creep

[@YGOHermit]

Cardfight Vanguard still the best TCG and thr most original. Flesh and blood tried to copy it but its no match for it

[@mrmeow2297]

Front Row/Back Row, Soul Charge/Blast and Counter Charge/Blast actually are pretty unique in the TCG realm

[@YGOHermit]

@@mrmeow2297 also shifting zones, best mulligan ever, and now rideline ti guarantee to get to play at your best

[@nathanl8622]

I still have yet to nab a couple starter decks and give it a go, but the One Piece TCG doesn't inspire much confidence. One Piece is a wild, wacky series that could lead to all sorts of cool or interesting mechanics, but I haven't seen any cards that engage with the source material like that.

[@MrZer093]

Hard agree. Meanwhile, in Super, there’s tons of interaction, characters with absorbing powers actually have such abilities (and even gain the keyword abilities of the cards they absorb!), Nappa uses Saibamen to gain power (and they’re essentially Relentless Rats), and Turles starts the game with the Tree of Might ON YOUR OPPONENT’S FIELD! It’s absolutely perfect flavor! Where is any of that in One Piece? They just slap some character on some card with some effect and go on their way

[@Th3Treasoner]

@@MrZer093 OP is on set four. DBS is on set 21. DBS didn't get to the things you described immediately either.

[@johnashe2081]

The one piece game is legit. The don stuff is fine.

[@MrZer093]

I do wonder when Bandai will finally collapse in on itself under the weight of all their TCGs. They have an absurd amount. Battle Spirits (and Saga I suppose), Dragonball Super, Digimon, One Piece, My Hero Academia (or is that just a side thing? Hard to tell since it keeps going into different games), Union Arena, etc. I expect Saga to fall first, then One Piece. The hype for the former feels too artificial and the latter might make it to year 3 but there’s no flavor to the game and every time I played it with friends I kept going “I’d rather play DBSCG”. It’s literally the same game but with more mechanics and cards and actual flavor. Lorcana is an interesting case though. Word is is that Disney adults are into it and that is a significant untapped market if they pull it off. Being a Duel Masters clone won’t be to a detriment for a crowd that maybe played Pokemon a few times as a kid when they were with friends that didn’t want to play Little Mermaid with them. Well, we will see when the game finally drops. The art is pretty at least.

[@Chiffonaise]

Well, the actual My Hero Academia CCG is a spinoff of UFS/UniVersus published by Jasco Games, not Bandai. But it's also one of the licensed properties for Union Arena I guess.

[@mrmeow2297]

IMO only the Digimon game has staying potential

[@Thomazbr]

One Piece has more legs than DBSuper imo unless the online game changes thing for it

[@Buzterer]

The Don system could have been a ripoff of pokemon's

[@Th3Treasoner]

What planet are you from that you think OP is a Duel Masters clone? If anything it's a FoW clone. Edit: To elaborate slightly, if OP is a DM clone for virtue of having a "you have cards from your deck that are your life", then DM is just a Pokemon clone. The resemblance is only that.

[@Evereghalo]

I give this critical analysis a 1 of 5.

[@toromisher]

You have so obviously never played one piece. There is a lot to criticise about the tcg but to hear someone's takes be so arrogantly confident while being so ignorantly off base has actually given me the laugh I needed today. So at least you can be happy in that you're arrogant ignorance at least brought a smile to someone's face xD To most of the other commenters giving "constructive criticism" that seem to have as little experience as Kohdok, just play the game before you make yourself look dumb. There is a fully free and complete fan made sim with every card currently released up to the JP op04 format which is one set ahead plus teased but unreleased cards like promos and precons. So there is no excuse to be so uneducated if you want to appear so confident and correct.

[@ericv5435]

One piece better not die out. It's the most fun I've had with a card game in years.

[@MattIsAMage]

the best way to make sure it doesnt die to to vanguard the game, teach new players (let them win their first game, make mistakes!), offer your chaff to people. new players love free stuff

[@yunoyukki7344]

The scalpers will be the reason one peice will die.

[@suppakornsuttisirikul7554]

Hi Mate Big fan here, your "joke Guard Caime" looks cute and interesting any link or video to learn more or get my hands on it? Print and play?

[@Kohdok]

It is literally just three cards.

[@uglyj6840]

Mega Bloks Dragons!!