Why Guilty Gear Strive changed GATLINGS (and how to use them)

[@zonkrt3463]

Thanks for talking about gatlings in strive in a video that isn't just 'the gatlings are different and that's bad'

[@andydal2002]

Not necessarily, but in this case it's bad

[@djbubblegum9975]

As a new Guilty Gear player I do appreciate how the change in the gatling system gives more purpose to the strings and overall for the type of game Strive is this system works better, however I must say having gone back and testing out the older GG games (they're really cheap right now on Steam) the old gatling just feels better to me. Like it's more satisfying to do P>K>cS>fS>HS than just cS>fS>HS. Still loving Strive but I hope for the next game they find some sort of way to bring back the 4 button gatlings from older titles while also keeping the purpose each gatling has from Strive (if that's even possible).

[@Wolfedge75]

The new gatlings in Strive is what keeps the game from being a 10/10 game for me. RIght now, it's an 9/10 (I dig everything else but THAT)

[@Adon_key]

Strive the last game

[@jojak0512]

@@Adon_key Considering Strive sold like 3 times in a week or so what Xrd sold in it's entire life I severely doubt that.

[@bionicallyacomputer292]

fax

[@Lagow_EX]

The amount of videos/streams I've seen with Blue Water Blue Sky playing as the BGM is uncountable. It was the whole reason I stayed fishing.

[@sladevalen]

$200k in and I still don't have it...

[@LordKnightfgc]

Blue Water Blue Sky and Fille de vent have been my go-to's for segments lol.

[@CBFlam]

Wait you can't just buy them like in xrd?

[@morelesslike]

Блевота и блузка, ммм...

[@_Deez]

@@CBFlam If you've played Dragon Ball it's the capsule system all over again.

[@Kuronomaru]

Leo is one of the exceptions to the new gatling structure, when he‘s in his back stance. I guess a lot of new players are not aware of that.

[@metr0nom314]

*mashes FS and 5H*

[@HellecticMojo]

He also has reverse beat, so that's extra level of exception for him.

[@Hocotatium111]

@@metr0nom314 5K has shorter range and scales worse in combos, so there's good reason to cut straight to 5S. 5S into command grab is the real shit, though.

[@Tryhardblackguy]

@@metr0nom314 HEY!!! Watch it!!! STOP GENERALIZING US!!! I mean them.

[@cctz_1]

@@Hocotatium111 its my favourite reset

[@OccuredJakub12]

6:07 I think it benefits begginers and intermediate players by putting more focus on combo purpose rather than rote memorization of a pseudo-auto-combo. The game is showing some of the most fun things about the genre more up-front than the previous games.

[@YoJimbo0321]

On top of that, the gatling tables on the wiki are so much easier to parse than Xrd's. It's a lot clearer which combinations are and aren't available to you and therefore easier to figure out when to use them. There's so many practically useless gatlings in Xrd that just clog up the tables and make things impossible for beginners to make heads or tails of.

[@wolflance64]

The game tries to stress in its tutorial just press buttons and do a motion and cool stuff happens, def does not hold your hand on actually learning combos and I like that, friend recently tried to get me to learn dbfz and I actually hate its combo system entirely, especially block strings....

[@DXYS95]

@@wolflance64 Yeah man, I was legit falling asleep on defense in DBFZ. Strive's new system, however, makes blockstrings way shorter (which I like) and makes you think twice about the buttons you choose to press instead of defaulting to insane 5Ls like DBFZ did with its latest DLCs

[@nickromano3087]

I disagree, it's way more memorization now. I have to know not only my highly specific button cancels but also my opponents, whereas before i could just hold back for 4-5 attacks and be able to confirm up the chain on hit. This is way more complecated.

[@OccuredJakub12]

@@nickromano3087 Thing is, your and your opponent's combo paths are practically the same, so once you learn it, you can apply it to all the characters. In the last game you could at many points go on auto-pilot and do things on muscle memory, but hopefully here it'll become less of a common thing. It'll still be here, but it won't be rewarded as much: meaning you'll have to win with strategy and mindgames more.

[@GrayderFox]

Ah, the minute you explained how gatlings worked in Xrd I understood why Arksys chose to change them. Personally feel like "learn when to use your buttons" is a lot more useful as a newer player than "learn these very specific gatling routes" as a long-term skill to pick up.

[@taylorbee4010]

Tbh it’s more free form at low level though

[@saucegaming5077]

I know this wasn’t the topic of video. But you bringing up the 5K not being able to delay into 2K actually helped me I thought I was goin crazy turns out it’s just not a thing. Great video!

[@LordKnightfgc]

It's very related to the topic of the video, glad I could help 🙏

[@happycamperds9917]

Leo kept all the gatlings for himself in this game.

[@younghandshake]

Unga

[@Bruhmoment-ow1ey]

Bunga

[@misterc9641]

not as good as sol's ones... pain

[@soothingwhitenoise8502]

Bro has melty blood rebeat

[@IcomanSB]

Honestly, I feel like I used more buttons in previous GGs compared to Strive. I hardly ever hit P as Millia these days and I hardly think to use 6P to antiair since it feels better to just beat them in the air instead.

[@meathir4921]

The latter is more a Millia thing; 6P is like the only reliable anti air for some characters.

[@IcomanSB]

@@meathir4921 I probably should've mentioned that as a Millia main myself. Few times I played other characters that 6P do in fact be a life saver.

[@LordKnightfgc]

Millia 6p is a godly button, if you play her def try her out

[@hazelv.a.7976]

Feeling like doesn't mean you are or aren't.

[@IcomanSB]

@@hazelv.a.7976 you're not wrong with that, but I know I never thought about mashing the P button for any situation till this video aside from my many failed attempts at 6P.

[@Masterwar78]

I think ArkSys said that they thought gatling from a low risk low damage jab into the rest of the gatling for a bigger reward "didn't make sense" to them. They designed it so that you have to commit to slower and negative frame moves to earn you bigger damage combos as the reward.

[@bionicallyacomputer292]

wow

[@Iyokuu]

I appreciate you taking these segments from stream and popping them on KZbin. Especially as someone struggling w/ Millia and understanding things little by little.

[@ViolentMuffin]

Thanks, I'm a returning player and it helped me a little bit to understand how gatlings work in Strive. So in essence - fever attacks chain together and chains are shorter.

[@lunafoxfire]

I think the more important reason they changed gatlings is for the effect it has on neutral and hitconfirms. You can't get a full combo off of a 5P and that's a pretty big deal.

[@jbgehrlein]

Interesting video, I was thinking that a reason for the change was to reduce access to hard knockdowns from mash buttons and give better differentiation between hits, so that hitting c.S doesn't lead to the same situation as hitting 5P

[@steeplewiththesnakes]

I actually think the gatlings changes does benefit new players because defending is easier.

[@Kakomss]

I'm very impressed with Strive's depth, it's much more than i thougth it was gonna be before it launched. And EVERY character feels VERY unique, somehow even more than before... I think the reduced speed of the game is what has allowed for the characters to shine so much and there's a lot of player expression too

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

My only complaint is the momentum kill at the end of airdash. That's it.

[@TheCosmicUprise]

This video was super useful and i learned a lot outside of just the mechanics on gatlings

[@adrianmartin2012]

This was really hard for me to get used to coming from dragon ball and i really thought 5P, 2P felt useless i had to remove that button to train myself to use K more. But these Gatling system is starting to make sense to me now

[@keithsimpson2685]

We just have KOF normals now. Normal ->command normal is pretty standard for SNK types. Lights chained into command normal or close heavy button into command normal.

[@coleburns362]

Thank you for posting this. The way i've been thinking of it since the gattling system was displayed was "huh. so there's less routes, but it's like ALL combo routes are optimal now. It's like they cut the fat so that Every option for strive is the Best option available for Something. I think it pushes people to focus on decision-making and interacting with the other player. In Xrd you could make the correct decision, but then your Execution is tested and if you fail you drop the combo and don't get rewarded despite making a good choice. I think strive's combos being shorter Primarily just give players less opportunities to screw up their execution, putting emphasis on the choices you make since it's less likely you'll drop a super demanding combo and lose a reward you earned because you didn't grind in training mode long enough.

[@researchbashio]

im sorry bro i still like the older gattings, having more freedom of cancels for offensive pressure is nice regarudless some are useless or not rather then being restricted to a set path.

[@shanebitner8991]

Adding my POV in relation to the take that the new system is bad for new players, I only started getting into fighting games with strive, but with the rundown on Gatling systems in the other games they put me off really bad. In strive it feels like I know most of my options, and I just have to think/practice on its use. Compared to (possibly ignorant understanding of the Gatling system in the other GG games) where you have to memorize a chart for moves and then just follow pro strats for specific chains you'll use 90% of the time. I could have a poor take due to not having my hands on the system, but that's my 2 cents

[@tristanbryan3067]

I prefer strive compared to something like Tekken 7 where you have a huge list of moves and you find out what goes into what, to me it's just takes up so much time before you can play at a good level and not just mashing buttons hoping the combo continues

[@shanebitner8991]

@@tristanbryan3067 I'm with you 100%. Having a buy-in or 20-40 hours to START having fun (at least for me anyways) ain't for me.

[@tristanbryan3067]

@@shanebitner8991 yeah I want to be able to play after quickly going over important mechanics and stuff

[@chaotickreg7024]

The cool thing about Tekken movelists is that everything you will ever need is built into the moves like counter hit launchers, frame traps in strings, crushing moves, evasive moves, and power crush. Strive has none of those, and you have to create the equivalents of those things with just the moves you have on hand. In Tekken if you want a CH setup then they are premade for you with your moves. If you want a CH setup in Guilty Gear then you need to know the matchup and invent it yourself.

[@shanebitner8991]

@@chaotickreg7024 I have no clue what any of these terms/phrases/acronyms mean. I'm vibing with Strive tho

[@marcelol.4371]

Yeah, as dbfz player that felt really weird at first. I don’t know if this makes sense but the game had a pretty flexible hierarchy of button order, you could use any combination that respected this order at first this limitation in this game made me feel shackled

[@kyokusada4825]

I learn almost nothing from watching LK's Strive videos, but I love watching how he teaches the new players. Literally just here to support the algorithm. Keep it up👍🏿

[@jinxhand]

Great vid!!! It seems the gatlings in Strive seem exactly like the ones found in Battle Fantasia, not necessarily in terms of routes, but rather their purpose/application.

[@professorlapis8305]

I never played previous gg games before strive but i must say ggs felt weird compared to sfv and fighterz but after awhile i felt better. At first i questioned why changed the regular gatling bc i was so used to other games but im loving strive the more i play it. It feels like the game that was ment for me

[@squireart2511]

As someone who mostly plays in the labs it's fun to have videos like yours and Sajem to really talk about a subject with great depth! It makes creating newer crazier combos all the more fun!

[@Aqua-wl8hw]

I think that they changed the gatlings to make the game more different from xrd and to not let veteran players do similar strings or combos from older games (because they wanted to make everyone at the same level)

[@zatherog]

But what's the disadvantage for new players if the floor ranking exist? There's no harm on putting it in the tutorial.

[@Aqua-wl8hw]

@@zatherog I think that they want the new players to be able to catch the better players faster

[@hoodedstreetmonk352]

@@Aqua-wl8hw well, I doubt it's going to work. The veterans in the genre are just going to have a better grasp of the game no matter what. That's just how it is.

[@eduardoserpa1682]

While I liked the relative freedom of the old gatlings, I tended to go through them a bit too quickly to avoid missing the cancel window. There were also so many weird routes and exceptions to the rules as well, so that didn't help. And neither did the pushback from pressing buttons more often. The new gatlings make me feel like I have more control over my frametraps, pressure resets and mixups without explicitly relying on auto-timed cancels because of how long I can delay them. It also didn't take as long to get comfortable with how those options fit together.

[@ASapWheelie]

ive been looking for an explanation on this, thank you so much

[@wolflance64]

Thanks for the video , glad to know most of the moves uses hopefully my nuetral will improve with this knowledge

[@seldoons9189]

Thank you my guy, my blockstrings have been 5p>5p>try to cS>get hit because it doesn’t work. It’s gonna take a while to write over that muscle memory from xrd

[@mloyd64]

Bruhh I needed this

[@Mot1ve]

Thanks for all of these videos. I'm new to this game and haven't touched fighting games for a while (never spent much time on anime fighting games either). These videos are especially nice since I want to main Millia :D

[@eseph9899]

The one thing i see becoming an issue is when you are on the mid floors like 5-7 and to an extent sometimes even 8+, since there are consistant things people tend to just not know how to deal with like meaties, the game feels very flow chart heavy. So far I feel like it makes the game easy to get into but to cross the bridge into the upper skill level becomes a very wide margin where you just gotta deal with a fuck ton of repetetive matches where everyone falls for the same shit all the time and theres basically no interesting combos or mixups going on.

[@gaben282]

Isn't that just every competitive game ever

[@eseph9899]

@@gaben282 nah usually theres more variety to your options in games like xrd where you get into less predictable scenarios where you gotta do more to read your opponents mixups. So far mid level strive, everyome is a gorilla so you have your one grounded gatling and your antiair counter hit combo and people will just mash out that combo and on the knock down run up in your face and meaty. The only thoughtful decision making ive had to do so far is deciding if i should throw on their wakeup occasionally if they ever decide to learn how to block.

[@dominiccasts]

@@eseph9899 I was worried about this exact learning cliff scenario during beta, for this exact reason.

[@squireart2511]

@@eseph9899 I'd say it's more a symptom of the games young life span above anything else. Not that I disagree much with you though.

[@hoboayoyo]

I just don't feel comfortable pressing lights as millia because i'm worried that ill whiff it or not be able to get an advantageous situation with it.

[@reapercometh]

Light kick up to 3 times into sweep is a millia bnb.

[@jimmynuggs5618]

Its a videogame, worry less. ,:)

[@danielelbow]

the more you use it, the more you'll become used to the proper spacing and whiff less!

[@cantastyle4824]

millia wants to do lights into sweep anyway so she can set up her offense, so her light buttons are actually really strong most characters dont get a lot of damage off of lights but if you can get a knockdown that can basically lead into free damage anyway

[@cantastyle4824]

its also safer to press lights when your opponent is close to you because theyre fast and less prone to getting counter hit

[@konkey9209]

people be hating on the new gatlings but personally i adore them. it makes you think a lot more about whats gonna work in a combo and makes a lot of cool looking ones

[@rin-senpai7115]

Leo has a unique option in Strive: He can chain 5HS into fS. If it wouldn't be for pushback he could do fS > 5HS > fS > 5HS... infinitely.

[@vincentduhamel7037]

Very informative. Subscribed.

[@hawkswordzero2206]

It's interesting that you think it doesn't benefit new players. I always had trouble breaking out of using the gatling series in Xrd, where in Strive I had no choice but to learn what each moves range/frames/usage was.

[@snowsoldier413]

I remember in Xrd I had a situation where in that game I started to prefer this Gatling was way back when I picked up Ky. I was experimenting with him, and and I saw far slash right. So much range, super good poke. Well okay, I hit it so it must go into 5H right? It's a Gatling so it must. Except it doesn't. Okay well what does it go into? 2S is too short...2D is too short, 6K is too slow....what do I do? Oh...3H. but it doesn't combo normally. And it can whiff. And it had to be counter hit. I know at least in this game, that for every character f.S is gonna combo into H consistently.

[@ShinDMitsuki]

Special cancel it with fireball and burn meter for pressure. Such a dumb complaint

[@snowsoldier413]

@@ShinDMitsuki The issue I'm saying is not that there isn't an option, there's Gatling options no less if not unintuitive and situational. While the superior option itself isn't even a normal, and no less including the fact that you have to spend meter, it's that other characters can literally Gatling normally. People say "oh the buttons will always combo from P>K>S>H" and even that isn't necessarily true, there's a huge asterisk on that. Sol can go from f.S to 5H normally, and Ky can't?

[@terrysalt]

I forget where I heard it and it may be total nonsense but I saw somewhere that they made the change to deliberately shorten combos (which is why they boosted the base damage to compensate). The reasoning being that new players would get frustrated if they had to sit there and watch their character getting beaten like a rag doll for 50 consecutive hits so by keeping the combos shorter, newcomers don't feel quite so "locked out" of doing the fun part of fighting games (pushing buttons).

[@ali-kun7038]

I'm used to it thanks to umvc3 and dbfz 😂

[@Sami-jd2yj]

@@ali-kun7038 flashbacks to 30+ seconds of DBS broly pulling off the movie on me

[@thedocmmd1366]

If anything, the only complaint I have with gatlings are in the air, cause unless you have air special moves, you don’t get much off anti-air j.ps

[@LordKnightfgc]

Return varies a lot by char but generally they don't want high return off air vs air JP either

[@MikeyDLuffy]

The Ann PS4 Theme deserves an extra like

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

Someone made a Mod and brought back Classic Gattlings back and honestly, it looks much better and feels (mostly looks) right

[@seansilva7915]

Can you put a link in the comment section for the mod? I tried finding a mod that does this and I haven't found one yet.

[@tkpipo]

Thank you for the lesson!

[@Martorfunk]

To be honest as someone that is not great at this games who just played the gg xrd 2 times with firends and 2 weeks before strive this change is the worst, I just feel so limited and I developed the habit of not using P and just a few K's cause I just feel I don't get nothing from them.

[@duggyfresh8899]

I mean if that was there reasoning they could have left the p,k,s,hs,d alone and just made it so any command normal is the end of the string while also having the push back they do in this game. they come off more convoluted by trying to separate them in basically 3 sections.

[@Feral_gatr]

Only thing I disagree with that I've seen many ppl say is saying that the new gatling system is not good for new players. I dipped my toes into xrd and find this system WAY easier.

[@silenthicks]

as a new player to gg i prefer the new system as its a bit more limited and therefore theres less shit i have to learn for my character as well as all of my opposing characters. Coming from playing tekken 7 casually its a breath of fresh air as that games sheer volume of moves was enough to prevent me from committing any serious amount of time to it.

[@Darksiege357]

Shit, I didn't even realize how much better Millia looks in Strive till you switched to Xrd lol

[@HasekuraIsuna]

I can't believe how bad (except for the UI) Xrd looks now that Strive is out lol Xrd still is beautiful

[@blizz_ny5167]

Been dying to play this game! Been watching so many vids on it.

[@Kisuzume]

You have Discord?

[@blizz_ny5167]

@@Kisuzume Yea I do, how come?

[@Kisuzume]

@@blizz_ny5167 Add me Hazy#1337

[@blizz_ny5167]

@@Kisuzume ok? Just sent it lol

[@clownworld3382]

Mind if I join the fun? @Iris Kysha#2695

[@keystonelyte]

Gatlings? Never heard of em. 5P, 5P, 2P, walk up Pot Buster.

[@polecats6922]

I still am not a fan of them. may for example lost 5k->f.S which was a natural frame trap/combo and gave time to charge dolphins. I'm not against them cutting the excess, but natural chains that you used to use getting cut has me a little upset. just a little

[@imdabous1970]

Everyone is rocking to Blue Water Blue sky but I've somehow pulled every other song

[@Hit173]

And that's the problem strive presented. Xrd and other GGs let the players choose and make their own strings to use in different occasions. Strive took that away from players.

[@happycamperds9917]

11:40 Anji in +R could delay cancel all his gatlings and specials.

[@finfen9730]

Solid video. My tldr understanding for the change is people were getting rewarded too easily on mashable light attacks. That's not fun. Fighting games should feel like chess. Deliberate moves with very specific rewards and strive DOES do that. There's room for improvement but fighterz got great updates and I'll expect no less from strive.

[@granddaddy_funk]

Let us chain p into close slash or kick and that would make it way better imo

[@HasekuraIsuna]

One consequence of the new system is shorter combos; i.e. 2K > 2D would probably be like 2P > 5P > 5K > 2K > 2D, which is not only harder to memorise for someone new but also harder to input consistently. I do expect P > K and K > S to return in Strive's first "expansion" whenever that is.

[@whymebruhcmon]

0:54 why do you have DOA Xtreme under Fighting Games💀

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

I don't really know how gatlings are different to the LMH combos in Street Fighter. Of course characters are gonna play different to eachother, especially in Guilty Gear, but extremely simple combos just seem like a weird thing to complain about. Just make more complex combos if basic stuff ain't working.

[@psyonicpanda]

I'll say first that I don't mind the new gatling system. If what you're saying is correct and they changed the gatlings because it's more "optimal" in blockstrings; that feels super bad. I didn't do my blockstrings in Rev 2 because they were optimal, I just enjoyed having the freedom and pressing whatever I want. Sure I didn't know how to beat certain options the opponent did, but I still had fun playing. The game devs min maxing for us is kind of meh, I just want to have fun pressing my stupid Elphelt buttons and pressuring with 2P>2P>2P>5K>5S. I think my only real problem with the new gatlings is that I love lights and you get nothing from 5/2P in this game unless you're in the corner.

[@maxrusty3596]

Yea i really dont like how it feels like everyones pressure is the same if they use the same character they really killed so much creativity doing this its lame.

[@LordKnightfgc]

Ngl, one of the things I hated the most about XRD is how return wasn't spread evenly off mashing lights. Some chars basically get nothing/very little (implied dmg would be good), while the chars who get combos off everything would do mad damage off mashing (looking especially at Elphelt, but Johnny, Raven and other chars do this too).

[@psyonicpanda]

@@LordKnightfgc Legit, give me 2P>2P>2D and I'd be happy. I just want some reward for hitting 2P and right now it's nothing. Even in your video, you said that you never press 2P even though you clearly used to. Didn't every character get 2P>2P>2D except for maybe Faust and Millia?

[@ArkadijsZaptesburka]

While the difference in reward isn't quite as extreme as in Xrd, you can still pick characters with decent light conversions. May is the obvious choice (hkd midscreen, wallbreak in the corner) but Ky, Ram, Nagoriyuki all get a combo off chained jabs and Leo, Anji can combo off P -> 6P

[@maxrusty3596]

@@ArkadijsZaptesburka So we picking characters due to having a conversion off lights? Thats the issue my man.

[@Jawad7178]

Judging by the thumbnail, LK watched the story?

[@lobo_ck9375]

LK with the real talks, as always. Lowkey thinking of playing Millia, (maining Ram atm lol)

[@psyonicpanda]

Hey, it's Lord Knight

[@DecentPlayerNA]

People talking about gatlings just sitting over here with Kums c.s c.s

[@c.conga11]

I because spoiled by magic series gatlings 😩 especially BlazBlue's

[@jamestran1634]

Honestly, I have no idea what he’s talking about in this video since I’m just getting into GG and fighting games as a whole

[@jimmynuggs5618]

Same. 97% was of no use as he off on a tangent. And I still don't know what 'Gatlings' are.

[@SuperGamingMysteryV]

@@jimmynuggs5618 I recommend looking into the dustloop wiki if you wanna expand your knowledge. In general though gatlings just refer to the way normal attacks (Punch, Kick, etc.) cancel into each other. www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=GGST/Offense

[@jimmynuggs5618]

@@SuperGamingMysteryV many thanks ma'fella me'lass, I just found it . Not only helpful on GG but also other anime style fighters. Thanks.

[@nahhh5284]

In most anime fighters, “gatlings” are basically the ability to press normal buttons in strength order. In GG, P>K>S>HS>Dust is the strength order, and in previous GG titles, you can press in that order. In Strive, you can’t do that anymore, you mostly have to cancel into command normals, which you can check for in your character’s move list. The list tells you what your command normals are. You’re new to fighting games, so if that still confuses you, don’t worry too much about it for now until you feel like you wanna seriously start learning how that stuff works

[@jayishikawa4150]

@@jimmynuggs5618 the only use you have to look at here is that you can use new/old Gatling to just stagger block string to disrupt your opponents defense

[@morelesslike]

The sweep on Millia's kkk2d misses pretty often in my experience. Isn't it more reliable to go for one or two 5k into 2d instead or is it purely a matter of getting used to right spacing/timing? What's the point of delaying those kicks?

[@wolflance64]

To catch counter pokes, if you mash it and they fd yer gunna get slapped so delaying timing ensures they get caught for pressing a button, and to get the 3 hit a of k you need to dash to get momentum

[@wolflance64]

Dash>5k x3 into sweep

[@LordKnightfgc]

5K has a delay cancel so if you delay, you can beat mashing that 5k > 6H won't beat. Frame traps!

[@TK-bm2nc]

Sol Smartguy

[@katchy4922]

Hey LK, could u please make a video on how to deal with YRC?

[@yano4473]

Sajam has a video on YRC already. If you get hit by the shockwave, you're VERY minus. The yrc shockwave has a startup however, and can be baited with fast p or k normals into blocking. If you block the shockwave you can generally punish or at least continue your pressure.

[@xTahoe]

i thought this video would be more higher level overview about gatlings for newer people, but this got so confusing and specific

[@quicksilver2923]

it's specific because each character in guilty gear has different conditions and LK was giving examples based off on the character he plays. there's a few different conditions for different characters but his points are still relevant if you keep that in mind.

[@Living_Target]

I thought you could 2p5p6k. I play gio and she can do 2p5p6h. Won't that give you a knockdown?

[@BIZEB]

Yes, I can tell you 100%: it does not benefit new or more casual players. According to your theory, this was done to cater to a high skill level game, which is how I've been feeling tbh. I've played tons of Xrd, and none of what you brought up in the beginning was ever relevant to me, and the game there still feels easier and more approachable than Strive. It unfortunately also makes the game a lot more repetitive. There really is just one game plan for the most part, and if you follow higher level players and watch their replays, they're basically doing 1 or 2 different combos, and that's it. It's a shame. Game's still challenging and fun, though, but..

[@somethingsomething9006]

Strive's repetition is starting to get to me as well. Neutral, combos, strings, it all is more simplified and less freedom. I wasn't even competitive in Xrd but I could immediately _feel_ the freedom. While Strive I immediately felt much more restricted.

[@chitusplum4849]

and they did do us a solid btw ,they did do smth big for us , its smth that doesnt exist in guilty gear , and that iiiiiiiis SOL MASHING 5K

[@mkooij]

Wait what's a fuzzy jump?

[@PERSONTHATISCLEVER]

There should be a section on it here www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Fuzzy_Defense

[@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome]

It is a delayed jump meant to cover different options at different timings when getting attacked by a mix-up

[@mkooij]

Thanks guys!

[@dangergator]

@@mkooij There are actually 2 missions in Strive's 5 Star Mission mode on how to do fuzzy blocks and fuzzy jumps. they are very helpful

[@ap1curry]

DOAX3 under "fighting games" i c u LK

[@GoldenHue]

Homie the thumbnail is a spoiler for the story in Strive

[@reedyleek7315]

Bro it's only a spoiler if you tell them it is ☠️

[@Masterwar78]

You can read Japanese? Pretty cool

[@Shikkoku-]

nago has 2p2d :v

[@Lanzetsu]

What is this nonsense? They already explained why they removed so many gatlings and also if the reason were to be the one you mention then there shouldn't be any need to remove them since new players would simply do the chore of PKSHD and better players would realize what was better just like it happened in Xrd...

[@lucaa.9709]

only been 2 weeks not 3 hahahah

[@lorddharak596]

DBFZ pls

[@maddancing]

Is there a reason why your game is in Japanese?

[@popcorn82b]

If Sol had his old gatlings, he would be bitched about even more than he already is. Lmao

[@bionicallyacomputer292]

ahhh

[@CripplingMemeAddict]

I dont understand much of this video, but as a new GG player looking at the older games, strive looks way better. Seems like they just took out all the filer options, which is not worth using anyways.

[@ShinDMitsuki]

Not even remotely true. This video is perfect evidence. How is punch into all your other Gatlings filler?

[@CripplingMemeAddict]

@@ShinDMitsuki because you can still link punch, and kick usually gatlings on many people. Not making punches gatling means in general for people to do gatlings they gotta do bigger buttons, which makes sense for a noob and is also easier to get into.

[@NinthSettler]

man do i hate the new gatlings, what's more new player intuitive than "press buttons to have combo"

[@kateslate3228]

This is sarcasm, right?

[@mrh7290]

I just uninstalled. I like old guilty Gatling better

[@Arrolle23]

In my honest opinion I think this is the worst change that they made

[@awwnuts07]

I still don't know how to feel about it. On one hand, every gatling in Strive is useful. There are really no bad options. Everything has a place and I just need to find the proper application. In Xrd, I actually had to unlearn bad gatling habits I developed when I first started, BUT there was far more room to freestyle. Sure, some of my choices may have been terrible, but I could at least go with a specific route simply because I found it fun.

[@botero01]

There´s no trash in Strive,there´s tons of room for creativity, but there´s just no "fat" it´s way better this way. You can´t honestly look at everything the characters can do (with more and more being discovered each day, like kara-fafnir etc) and say this isn´t a game that allows for an insane amount of creativity and variation at every level.

[@jonnysac77]

@@botero01 maybe but it would've allowed players to get a lot more creative if they had a proper gatling system and if you don't like all the "fat" that's in the previous gatling system, ya don't have to use them and could continue to use the same strings you use in Strive

[@botero01]

@@jonnysac77 well no, fat is fat, it´s just bad game design. specially since it´s so unfriendly to the players, as they are expected to learn soo much shit, a game is not great if people don´t play it. Every single little thing in Strive allows for creativity, even before RC comes into the equation. You need to have patterns you can hold in your mind so that the game is an actual dialog. You tell me one thing in Strive that doesn´t allow for creativity, one situation, you can´t, because there isn´t.

[@Shione_Starlight]

I like the new system :) I love people not getting to mash lights into knock down into 50/50

[@whymebruhcmon]

0:54 why do you have DOA Xtreme under Fighting Games💀