One Simple Change Made Him Top Tier

[@LordKnightfgc]

How broken is this dash though ALSO Thanks to lord Kazam (x.com/Kazam_Slams) for looking over my script for this video (also pls subscribe)

[@dylantoomey4598]

I played Johnny both pre and post-patch and its straight up crazy that he morphed into 3rd Strike Makoto right in front of me

[@HellecticMojo]

he feels faster than Chipp

[@ampedenergy09]

Congrats on 100k LK :)

[@z-v-x8324]

IMO some of the most fascinating patches are the one's that change effectively very little but end up having MASSIVE ramifications on the game/character

[@ElvisMaximus1]

you see this a lot in MOBAs, where they'll give a character 10 MS (from 350 to 360) and it makes them insanely busted. Movement changes are always really strong imo

[@fenimore-2854]

making his dash throw unreactable, truly the most subtle, genius, and creative change ever, definitely isnt an incredibly obvious way to lower his skill floor

[@z-v-x8324]

@@fenimore-2854 Damn bro, tell me how you really feel

[@fenimore-2854]

@@z-v-x8324 give him back dash jump this shit is boring

[@ryanhernandez8324]

​@@fenimore-2854 What is he gonna do with jump dash 😭

[@lightning_rook]

THANK YOU. I've been explaining the whole Johnny dash vs Preemptive button interaction to my johnny main friends and why its so annoying to play neutral against johnny, but they just don't get it. If you try to react to dash, you're going to get smoked - its so fast, by the time you reacted with an option, they'll have counter hit you for reacting. You need to preempt in neutral vs Johnny... who's mist finer conveniently gets a pretty good conversion off of counter hit. Debatably, you could react to dash -> grab in time (15+2 frames)... which then gets smoked by dash -> ensenga, which hella hurts this patch with the ensenga damage buffs.

[@the_bookworm8281]

Reminds me of Tekken 6 Steve; he was considered to be mid/low tier at the start. But then they changed the hitbox of f,f,2 to hit a bit lower to the ground, and that single change turned him into a top 5 character in that game. lol

[@crack4184]

He also got more stuff buffed between Tekken 6 Arcade and Bloodline Rebellion the console release like his flicker stance being way faster, making his threatening B1 and its string way harder to fight against

[@gthreetimes]

man tht move still broken i main him in tek8

[@khaleelederies1649]

For a moment I thought you were talking about Tasty Steve XD

[@АртёмТор-к2ю]

2:21 a johnny know where he is, because he knows where he isn't

[@cringegames1569]

By subtracting where he is from where he isn't, or where he isn't from where he is, whichever is greater, he gets a difference or deviation

[@jefftempest4]

-15 half a screen away i love fighting johnny

[@breakaway4236]

I think the dash changes are fun and make the character feel really slick (Johnny main, I know), so I'd be sad to see them reverted. I'm thinking his MF cancels being more minus might be a good start, so that the situations where the opponent can take action are more pronouncend. Also, raw vault-deal needs to be more negative. That shit is so scrubby.

[@null-wq5cp]

Imo vault is the least problematic thing in his kit. Yeah it’s insane but he has some glaring overtuned stuff.

[@brun1656]

Here before the horde of Johnny downplayers arrives

[@aubrey143.]

literally cant kill bro being -15 hes so punishable he needs more buffs he has an unreactable dash hes so underpowered oh my god he needs more buffs

[@chadiusGomk]

never saw them past patch 3.75 which was released on the 22th july of 2024

[@nevezetesazonossag]

not a downplayer here, johnny is defo megastrong, but i do wonder what you play

[@brun1656]

@nevezetesazonossag I usually play Baiken or Giovanna. Who are both definitely really good this patch, don't get me wrong.

[@Writta]

Real Johnny main never downplay. We know he’s good cause he was hated by the god of failure 🔥🔥🔥

[@_Deez]

Legit I started learning Johnny a couple weeks ago and holy fuck dashing is unironically my favorite part of playing him. It both feels good and fun. Sorry for the people i pull up on 😂

[@karmabeast]

@0:07 Whiffed execution on pronouncing "+R"

[@ryanrcosta]

Ex xrd players who migrated to strive to escape from johnny: "I'M BACK IN THE FUCKING BUILDING AGAIN!?"

[@zhenyaloginov]

@@ryanrcosta All 3 of them

[@retrostart8681]

You forgot those who tried to escape Elphelt and Slayer 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@M-Trigger]

@@retrostart8681 Nah, Strive Elphelt is annoying as fck, but she doesn´t come any close to how much of a monster she was in Xrd.

[@zturtle1630]

Love the snapcube reference. Always get a smile on my face when i see one out in the wild

[@Joseph-xd4dn]

The cut and beard is fresh 👌

[@MeatGolf2]

I will never take anyone who thought Johnny was worse than FAUST on his launch seriously.

[@fgmseth]

He was pretty bad! So was Faust at the time. Probably kinda close. And neither were as bad as zato, but we allow for this

[@MarceloHenrique-vq4zi]

@@fgmseth Dude launch Faust did no damage, had no combos, had slower moves and had to deal with characters like season 1 Sol. Meanwhile Johnny already had good neutral, buttons that cover 75% of the screen, good conversion ability and pressure, the only bad thing was the slow dash really Slayer's dash also sucks for mobility (not the crossup function during pressure) but nobody says he's bad

[@fgmseth]

@MarceloHenrique-vq4zi Johnny didn’t exist at launch! Faust was different and the game was different. Obviously Zato at launch was a character but comparing these things in a vacuum like a suffering competition is pointless. I am obviously comparing the two characters at the point of Johnny’s launch.

[@retro_crasher]

Based. Those are the same sort of people who thought happy chaos to be bad, only to find out a week later that having a gun is broken. Faust low key pretty good right now tho. Maybe not like Goldlewis/nago/slayer/ram level, but like, he ain't bad.

[@5q1d87]

Of fucking course I'd find u here

[@neminem233]

the gap between the best character and the worst character is MUCH lower than you might think

[@OwainBigGuy]

he's like launch sin where all of his basic fundamental stuff was pretty good but people overreacted with how bad it was so the devs buffed the good parts about them and here we are now

[@justahotdog8430]

Effectively made me switch from baiken to jhonny. That and the ultrakill mod lol

[@greentlemann6378]

Congrats with 100k man!

[@VeEeARE]

To be fair he IS the man that never fails

[@enhasiac4153]

people just wanted them to give him dashblock and they responded by giving him everything except dashblock and now he has too much, go figure

[@riotv6]

The most balanced of the top tiers btw

[@Tatsuoshinada12]

Be so for real

[@riotv6]

@ 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I don’t want him nerfed man 😂

[@Tatsuoshinada12]

@@riotv6 Get him GONEEEE bro hes unhealthy for the game atp make him MID TIER like +R

[@Mr.Faust3]

Ok but was he honestly really that bad on launch

[@Apex-jc5rv]

I didn't think so

[@KayaAy]

I mean he was the worst or 2nd worst character for a long while but every character in this game can cook with enough effort put into it

[@Vsolid]

Yes

[@depressedcorn37]

@@Apex-jc5rv Did you play the character?

[@mixmasterX28]

Only comparatively to the rest of the cast No character in this game is bad to the point they are unplayable (yes even zato can cook). But man johnny felt like ass to play before the changes imo so im happy he got it, he should def be toned down tho don't get me wrong lmao

[@koopakape]

Man, I wanted to play him but I felt real bad doing so since I knew he was really low tier and I thought it'd be unfair to gimp myself like that, plus I know a ton of people hated him form xrd. Then this tiny patch happened and I didn't wanna play him cuz now he's top tier and that hate is back in force. At the end of the day I should just fuckin play him and get over it cuz I love his design and he has my favorite song on the entirely-godlike OST lmao. Low tier, high tier, love him, hate him, he's the char I've always wanted to play the most and unlike who I've been maining up to now, Leo, he doesn't have a fucked up back-turn no-block stance that makes me form bad habits. I think it's time.

[@cringegames1569]

do it, you shouldn't stop yourself from playing the character you like just because of people's opinions on him, I myself picked up Johnny when he launched just because I thought he was cool af, now he's pretty good but my main reason to still play him is just because I like the character so much

[@doin10hitcombos]

Just play the character man

[@keita718]

Respectfully, this logic is wild. Never feel guilty about playing a top tier, it's objectively what you're supposed to do especially if it is a character you like.

[@gillgillgillgillgill]

dog just play the characters you think are cool, if you dont want to come off as a prick for playing a top-tier, then dont downplay them... that's all the karmic points you need

[@jameji_phd]

Yeah I'm picking him up rn because I want to be the king of schmoovement, it's like how I played Dragunov in T8 for a while mostly because he's hitting you like he knows you fucked his wife, but he knows you don't know that he knows you fucked his wife.

[@jeffthejeffebruh3356]

People def overreacted and said that he was real bad back on launch in season 3 and whether that's because everybody expected xrd johnny to come back or if it was actual power creep and small inconsistencies for johnny within strives cast is hard to tell. People knew johnny had strong stuff but he did legitimately need to work for it in order to gain access to it. Arcsys made johnny have actual weaknesses but he had some slip ups like k mist finer never being used when s mist finer was there and his f.s. 5h not converting cleanly. They fixed those issues in the season 3.9 patch and gave him the better forward dash and he seemed to be doing great, there was distaste for the character for sure but it wasn't as bad as it is now. I truly feel like season 4 was the tipping point for most people towards johnny. If you zoned against him before you cant anymore since mf is anti projectile, ensenga got a huge damage buff (40 to 80) which is odd since ensenga was already a good special and the range buff on k mf means that at the range it should be used most characters in the cast cant really punish it cleanly. Why arcsys made a character with actual weaknesses in the start and then overtuned him beyond belief is absolutely mind boggling but it def adds to the rhetoric that Arcsys has huge favoritism problems for character balancing.

[@zhenyaloginov]

Most Strive players never touched any GG so not sure about Xrd expectations. He had some very significant weak points, so yes, he wasn't strong or consistent enough. He keeps doing of his weak spots like breeding susceptible to low profiles so he's not an invincible superman, just very-very good

[@Phosphophyllite21]

​​@@zhenyaloginovHe's weak to low profiles, except he has fast, halfscreen or further moves, so unless your name is Ky Kiske how tf is that going to help you? Like yeah I can dashblock my way in, except for that fun bit where he has a halfscreen 12f button, so either I'm barely moving or I'm randomly blocking in neutral and praying I don't get hit... and then he gets 50 meter and just wins.

[@crack4184]

​@@Phosphophyllite21And you can't just dash block cuz he has TK SMF or regular SMF to keep you guessing and push you away/put his setplay in place

[@Dr3am9553]

Okay i gotta call cap. Ensenga was pretty useless prepatch. It doesn't need 80 damage but it was like mediocre throw shimmy relative to actually just shimmying them or jumping

[@Dr3am9553]

​​@@crack4184if he is doing tk smf to stop your dashblock you are already getting outplayed 😂. Without card that's so minus and its somehow just as bad on whiff. Fwiw he has a slight issue with dash block but the speed required to make it his problem is so high only a couple characters get to interact with him that way. Gio stands out above the rest in that regard. He more just dislikes long pokes that can play vs his fS and kmf sheningans.

[@remuvs]

Never forget: Johnny players will downplay and tell you his kit isn't as good as people say. But when you ask them for the actual counter play they will look you in the eye, shrug and say 'ionno'.

[@BigGooseMan]

I think Johnny is extremely strong and kinda just kept in check by alot of his worst mu's being really good this patch (Ram, Nago, Sin) but no he is insane and its kinda crazy that despite him only getting buffed he is only 5th on most ppls tier lists rn on average

[@zhenyaloginov]

Well, he doesn't have GL, May, Nago and Slayer insane damage. Also Sol still exists and Ram is super good currently, not sure if she's better than him though

[@Daniel-nb9re]

Nago loses to Johnny dawg, watchu mean? Lmao

[@captaincookie5042]

​@@Daniel-nb9re Nah bro that MU is so insanely winning for nago its not even funny

[@Daniel-nb9re]

@@captaincookie5042 Bro, i play both characters, Nago has to gamble like a mf to get a hit. And gets zoned like crazy, it's not even close to winning for Nago 😂😂

[@captaincookie5042]

@@Daniel-nb9re so do i, if you get zoned by johnny as nago thats a skill issue tbh, beyblade wins that MU cleanly

[@renbenen]

Was praying for some Satou footage buried in here. What a god.

[@bearmanjon_bmj]

I always did believe Johnny was an underperformer on launch due to how awful his defense and disadvantage were, but I did believe he would land in mid tier at some point before 3.5 because he is a very high skill ceiling character, and those take time to find their footing after release. He got a ton of crazy buffs that I don't believe he actually needed except for MF having a stronger counterhit value. As a Johnny main though, I honestly cannot complain too much.

[@W_smith1990]

stop trying to get my guy Johnny nerf we are meant to be top tier he's the coolest character in fiction

[@MeatbagSlayer]

Nah, nerf Johnny

[@MeatGolf2]

@@MeatbagSlayerYOU SAID IT

[@iamVeryOriginal]

@@MeatGolf2 how did i know id find you here

[@marik8770]

trauma from ggxrd

[@evilded2]

I genuinely can't understand what people find cool about the trench coat, and fadora wearing groomer. I guess he's everything a neckbeard thinks is cool ...

[@KingKien95]

i was the only few Johnny believers from release, saying if he gets buffed y'all gonna complain about it cuz he wasn't even bad. ppl were deadass playing him incorrectly and still are. he is a Zoner. his dash jump cancel was all he needed when it comes to movement.

[@Iwatoda_Dorm]

Even when I haven’t been playing for a few years, I felt it and abused the hell out of it.

[@incarnated-2029]

Homie ate something real good I see dat food crust on the corners 😂 good video bro

[@null-wq5cp]

It kinda sucks seeing Johnny being one of the cooler characters in strive to becoming completely obnoxious in a bandaid patch. Counter hit mist finer and the dash buff makes it so esports.

[@Za_Phantom]

It's hard to believe 3 frames was all it took to make him bottom 2 to top tier, it's like he has as kinda good already idk

[@AlcatrazCobrache]

0:02 AGAIN??!?!

[@zhenyaloginov]

People say "you can't react to his dash now" but you couldn't react to 18fr either

[@retrostart8681]

Damn bro you dirty on this one tho😭😭

[@kenshin2820]

Probably the best changes he got but Id argue hes not top tier. I think should revert back to at least 17f but buff his mist cancels

[@defianthound407]

Smooth 100k subs

[@AltohP]

Lk skin *STILL* flawless... 🙄🙄

[@CalvinWiens-zi3pz]

STOP TALKING ABOUT IT ARCSYS WILL HEAR U AND BUFF IT BC ARCSYS BAD BOOOOOOOOOOOO (Totally not coming from a johnny main 😅)

[@moistwindow6094]

Alright, but it's not like at his "worst" in this game, he wasn't that bad

[@probablydeadoof19]

this is so sad can we get 6 ram buffs to compensate 😢

[@SM4SH3R]

Good right where he should be

[@Dr3am9553]

LK you explained his xrd MF changes but not the dash changes? Okay time for some boomer shit. His dash was 18f too in old games. It was also a FRAME 1-14 LOW CRUSH. It also canceled into actions on f13.... including fd. Which let's you dash again. And mind you his dash had a jump cancel the entire way through. They just added xrd dash took out the low crush AND THE EARLY CANCEL. The fact people still think that vanilla strive dash was okay is beyond me. Especially when slayer comes in right after with crossups dashes lol

[@DuragDusty]

That boy Lk glowing, drop The skin tutorial

[@Yuseigo]

I thought i was going crazy when he suddenly became a hard match up Jesus I hate this season

[@Maxler5795]

He went from "lmao hes not even close to as good as in Xrd" to "hes in the same tierlist spot as in Xrd..."

[@raywing00]

Look down on those who are playing a character because he is strong and not because they like the character.

[@porkt3887]

cap. pointless to look down on someone for playing high tiers. if you're playing casually then why be concerned how others play? if you're playing competitively why not go with winning strategies? johnny annoying af to fight but you can't expect people to not learn and use the character or expect anything other than those who spend the most time learning the strongest setups to perform better

[@porkt3887]

@@raywing00 nvm shoulda looked at the rest of your scrub quotes on this channel before responding to you 💀

[@raywing00]

Oof, so much reaction, looks like I hit a guilty raw nerve here lmao.

[@evilded2]

Damn my bad, KZbin didn't like my original comment regarding my opinion on this character...

[@LoneRatatouille]

So jhony as been eating candy

[@subarashi-sama6309]

johny is dead BROKEN

[@krissrock]

i've felt Johnny was broken since he came in the game... the game is just turning into a completely one player game... once some char's touch you, on hit or block....it's over.

[@coolfish420]

"but he can't dash block"

[@nevezetesazonossag]

oh lord just wait until he gets that too, we will finally peak

[@Super0ofio]

@@nevezetesazonossag2 GAMES IN A ROW BABBYYYYYY

[@nevezetesazonossag]

@@Super0ofio the man who never fails

[@Super0ofio]

@@nevezetesazonossag JUST LEAN.

[@sutora9309]

He may be top tier but man do I suck with him. How do I improve him

[@nevezetesazonossag]

keep dealing

[@mcbill7352]

The problem that i have with people complaining about johnny is when they complain about things like his vault deal and card super. Why werent you complaining about that before? Oh yeah, because he had an 18 frame dash with no dashblock. He needed a dash buff to be viable.

[@zhenyaloginov]

People complain about vault prc since his lauch. Uwabami said it should be nerfed, Soap Eater said it's extremely powerful. It's acknowledged as one of the best neutral skips in the game

[@why7868]

Suddenly everyone is talking about how strong johnny is. That's why hes all over tower and park, and getting tournament results. Oh wait. Johnny isnt weak, the dash buff made him competitive. Its frustrating grinding him out post dash buff now people like "he always been strong" *pre dash buff

[@zhenyaloginov]

@@why7868 Let's say he always had some good stuff "waiting" for proper buffs to make everything work. A very similar situation to Sin vanilla/buffed

[@SSM24_]

1:01 - "so a 3 frame difference is 50.01 milliseconds" I'm going to sound giga 🤓 here but... no, it's just 50. 16.67 is just a rounding of 16 and 2/3, so if you do the multiplication properly you get exactly 50.

[@hardmadeira2104]

Jhonny was always supposed to be top tier

[@kamemelia]

i've yet to see a top 5 johnny lose a set

[@j05h909]

Im not good enough to notice the difference so I think that means he shouldnt be nerfed 😂

[@nevezetesazonossag]

GIVE JOHNNY DASHBLOCK AND MAKE HIM THE GOD HE WAS DESTINED TO BE

[@MeatGolf2]

something will happen to you soon. I don’t know what, but it will.

[@mrmergix738]

My man Johnny is getting cooked next patch love to see it.

[@PhantomArcade]

that’s what everyone said leading up to season 4

[@doin10hitcombos]

He won't get cooked he's too popular. He's getting nerfed though don't worry

[@retro_crasher]

​@@doin10hitcombos meanwhile nago, ram, Leo, and Goldlewis so called nerfs🥸

[@mrmergix738]

@@doin10hitcombos Yh im sure they will shoot him but i dont think they would pull a zato on him

[@voladile]

i think it could be interesting for johnny to have some frames of lower body/foot invincibility on his step dash so he can actually deal with some low profiles situationally (as long as his step dash is reverted to 18f)

[@legatusleo5116]

Man who cares he’s cool screw balance

[@ayylmao1930]

when you lose so hard in brazil that you have to make propaganda to nerf the character LMAO

[@xilef_0078]

Annoying to follow him its so easy for him to punish

[@josephthomas367]

Nah, he's definitely high tier but absolutely not near the top. At least not this patch.

[@retro_crasher]

Cough cough, ram;goldlewis;nago

[@Tatsuoshinada12]

Downplay is crazy he’s top 5

[@josephthomas367]

@Tatsuoshinada12 not even close. Especially not for this patch. You do understand that I can just as easily say back to you, "The glazing is crazy." Right?

[@imarock.7662]

Johnny is just so fucking cool and he deserves to be top tier.

[@Tatsuoshinada12]

No he doesn’t he was already top tier last game

[@imarock.7662]

@Tatsuoshinada12 Cry more and Hold this Mist Finer🃏

[@Tatsuoshinada12]

@@imarock.7662 I can smell this comment

[@imarock.7662]

@@Tatsuoshinada12 That's that fresh Johnny musk baby~ 🃏

[@d4cheartbeam]

He’s a good, strong character and y’all are mad… this is strive

[@PinePizza]

Another reason to not play Strive anymore lol. I'm so glad I'm playing SF6 now. S4 ruined my favorite character and buffed what I was struggling with anyways. No reason to play anymore.

[@Soured-brain]

It wouldn't be that bad if his damages weren't so high. I feel like I'm fighting Slayer's damage but with way better neutral spacing

[@nek0vo]

Hes the coolest top tier in this game so he deserves to stay top tier. I can never understand people who hate this character

[@Phosphophyllite21]

"But he's cool" does not justify incredibly unfun to fight and that's all there is to it. That's even worse than "but they're hard to play" because at least execution is an actual limiting factor and not pure preference.

[@SomeSoelStice]

I like punish windows that aren’t cross screen -15, what can I say?

[@nek0vo]

@@Phosphophyllite21 idk i play casually and hes more interesting then other top tiers so its a nice shake up from the years of nago ram hc who can be argued to be more "unfun" but i get where ur coming from

[@nek0vo]

@@SomeSoelStice ya thats pretty absurd i was exaggerating a bit but its better than full screen hc guard crush