Why Is Everyone So Mad About Guilty Gear Season 4?

[@lordknightfgc]

It's been a week, have you been enjoying the patch? I'm wrapping up working on a winners and losers, plus a vid about the new Baiken. Sorry for being behind again, thanks for your patience ;; (also please subscribe)

[@Mono_Kuromu]

I'm actually really enjoying it. Pot still shouldn't have gotten gutted though

[@MJCKCA]

haven't had the chance to play, but from reading the patch notes I was pretty excited to hop back in the game. I really like this is the first time they attempted to make major changes to characters since perhaps release (even if characters like Sol has received major changes throughout the entire game's lifespan)

[@joshireyn]

patch feels very fun. Sol's clean hit Fafnir is great

[@macanudo6206]

im an Axl main. No im not. But beside the obvious dooming, playing faust / aba and baiken as been fun (aside ramlethals MU). Also picked street fighter 6 rather than dizzy was a good choice. The game is fun

[@nidium1951]

​@@joshireynBig agree, I've found myself getting lost in labbing combos with Fafnir and h.VP

[@merrja]

People got so angry about Ramlethal you'd think they'd given her shoes.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

Ram and Juri would lose 90% of their playerbase if they put on shoes

[@stainfrompain]

same i also would want to smell her post battle bare feet

[@mattoray8396]

@@vanjagalovic3621 me who plays Ram with mod that gives her sick J's

[@beansoclock8748]

@@mattoray8396 ramlethal would never have drip

[@AofCastle]

​@@beansoclock8748 she already has the whole ass waterfall, so no need for a mere drip

[@coldmill8615]

"Why do Guilty Gear players STRONGLY DISLIKE Season 4?"

[@lordknightfgc]

was considering it hahahaha

[@beatthebag]

THEY are lying to us!

[@zatherog]

​@@lordknightfgcWould you say you were STRONGLY considering it?

[@francisholt8685]

😂😂

[@Siberianhusky89]

Guilty Gear players don't dislike Season 4. STRIVE players do. Guilty Gear players only have the old games or nowhere to go.

[@peacemakerpewpew]

I suppose such a big patch, with multiple reworks is bound to be rough around the edges. Or maybe Lucy have brought the Cyberpunk 2077 curse with her.

[@bradjeffords4451]

They are all cyberpsycho. 😂😢

[@adamakii]

when is the fgc ever NOT mad about something

[@azizkash286]

There 2 people on fgc social media. Those who complain about complaining. And those who complain about the game

[@a_wild_Kirillian]

​@@gingercoleslaw615, so? Can you not play the game because of it or have you only seen it on social media?

[@barrymaslow8441]

Right

[@Gogram06]

every single patch of every single game

[@Zenbon111]

When theyre not showering

[@reeleh1791]

The ram sword explosions after she gets hit are listed to be addressed in the upcoming fixes. Not that people will hate the character any less but I think she will be more fair.

[@mayami2390]

The major thing for me is where arcsys said something along the lines of, "we increased defense multiplier to add more interactions". Then, the changes to combo structures for alot of characters feels like they went n did the exact opposite. And a lot of the patch feels like it was not play tested at all. I do like the direction taken on most of the chars tho

[@mayami2390]

Also felt like they made major changes to some characters to breathe more life into the game like dbfz has done in the past

[@aganaom1712]

"the character I learned doesn't exist anymore" is the main issue

[@leithaziz2716]

Sol mains learning new routes as BnBs every new patch: first time?

[@aganaom1712]

@leithaziz2716 I am a Sol player and while I like this version of Sol more it still hurts to have to kill years of muscle memory

[@barrymaslow8441]

Adapt

[@DaddysFlipside]

@@leithaziz2716 That's what made me drop the game way back. By the second time it happened I was done.

[@Phosphophyllite21]

Tfw a character's routing getting changed does, in fact, mean you have to learn new routes.

[@CalastantNight]

It's kind of funny to see moves combo into themselves. I feel like one of the first things to test in games like this is to make sure extraordinarily simple infinites like this don't happen.

[@pkspadoosh5275]

Tbf after a bit of dooming, I've really started to enjoy this patch. I feel like even though my main didn't get enough to bring him to a healthy spot (Zato btw), he still feels way more fun than how he felt in season 3. And everything feels more fun and fair, apart from some outliers. Honestly, if they tweak the right things, and tone down some of the more egregious stuff, I feel like this could be the best season of strive. Rip pot and axl tho, my mans got an unjust treatment

[@pedroscoponi4905]

Honestly, I feel like your take on this is exactly what they were aiming for, for the most part? Nowhere in the patch summary does it say they're trying to shake up the meta, it's just about making sure _all_ characters conform to their vision regardless of power level. So if Zato feels more fun than in S3, that's great 😁 I agree, I think if this momentum holds 2025 will be a bright year for Strive. Here's hoping 🙏

[@ZachStarAttack]

rip fellow zato bro

[@k4n4st4]

@@ZachStarAttack man everytime i look for zato stuff ure there. im the same tbh cant blame you

[@FrostiFGC]

"they don't usually revert changes" Tell that to Axl's Rainwater 😭

[@waluigimourner8071]

I may cry

[@FrostiFGC]

@@waluigimourner8071 same mourning waluigi, same

[@pancakes7483]

We are so back 😭

[@sylascole5254]

Same with Damned Fang for Zato lol

[@popeneiad7968]

I was so pissed when I loaded in and used Rainwater only for them to get thrown away

[@hoot3051]

Defense multiplier : Decreased by 5% Nago 5H damage : Increased by 70% May 5H damage : Increased by 30% "We raised defence across the board"

[@steffanhymer1285]

Yeah damage increases they gave some are wild. The absolute most hp anyone in the game got on the defence buff is 40. With most of the cast getting less than 20 and some even as low as 0 (HC). And yet some skills got damage buffs of 40 or more. That can be landed multiple times a round.

[@waluigimourner8071]

"We've increased effective health for every character that happens to be fighting Bridget."

[@nora-yc6fi]

Bridget in the background taking more damage than last patch But she has guts now

[@tek_lynx4225]

considering what they did to mays 2s and 5k it should of been 100%

[@facemouther]

I love Wild Throwing someone for a 3rd of their health bar.

[@jaredphilpott9019]

I think there’s a lot of really interesting ideas in this patch. In theory, lots of characters are being taken in more dynamic directions. That said, the anger is definitely because Arcsys has tried and failed so many times to make Ram, Nago, GL etc not disgusting. This time they just strictly made them better/more frustrating. On top of significantly weakening and removing the most fun/saucy options from lower tier characters, it’s just insulting. No more Potemkin kara, no rainwater loops, Gio is back to getting 3 to 5 hit combos off most buttons. I think people want to feel like Arcsys understands and cares about their character just as much as the others, and this patch made it very clear that they don’t.

[@SPONGCHAO]

This is kinda how I feel tbh. I mained Ram since launch, but I've always missed Xrd Ram and current Ram just felt... not as fun to me, but at least still enjoyable. However her gameplan was just a bit too linear and easy so I was hoping they'd do some changes to make her a bit less linear and problematic. ...Somehow, she feels even stronger yet MORE linear and somehow clunky at the same time. I think she's stronger now (def didn't need to be), but far less fun. I no longer think they know what they're doing with her and, frankly, don't think they knew from day 1. Thankfully, as someone who mained Ram/Dizzy in the past, Dizzy came out in the same patch Ram become unfun to me, so I still have something fun to play :D

[@JaquetaoSlayer]

Nago for me got the biggest buff on damage but the biggest nerf on fun, they simple don't know what to do with the character and keep changing him but somehow making him stronger every single time.

[@catinacafe7105]

I have not scrolled anywhere.I waited for the lk analysis like a civilized human being.

[@sophiesouza454]

I imagine this video was made before ArcSys acknowledged the known bugs and plans they have to fix them. The question of "how could they miss all of this and release a buggy game?" It's the challenge of being a game developer. Sometimes you know of bugs, but don't have the bandwidth to fix them before a scheduled release date like Halloween. Reporting bugs and constructive criticism like this video is great, and being angry and the patch is understandable... but a lot of the dialog around the patch has not been great

[@Jarrych83]

I was SO GLAD to see that they recognize the bugs and appear to have a two stage approach to fix these things.

[@drexoslek2277]

I can let all the other bugs and development oversights go. But I’ve got to grill Arcys for the Ram S sword not going away on hit. This has happened 3 times now they should know better and should have a system in place to prevent this.

[@lordknightfgc]

I made it after they announced another patch

[@Squiddy00]

I gotta agree, there's clearly broken stuff and silly stuff and ramlethal valentine, but all in all this patch just plays a lot better most of the time. The gameplay is more interesting and varied, with characters trying to land their optimal starters or trying to put you in a situation their character excels at. Far less conversions from fullscreen into 70% meterless off a random far slash or whatever.

[@cringusmingus]

Wasn’t the only notable conversion nerf to nago and he can still just 2s beyblade into wallbreak

[@pank3245]

I can play Slayer and Sol now honestly so I don't feel bad about playing them

[@leodiusd4858]

​@@cringusminguspretty much the only one who got conversions nerfed, other than maybe sol

[@ninjalife123]

​@@pank3245 slayer, honest? 😂😂

[@GrimmyQ]

@@ninjalife123Sol HVV still carries his dmg sol is NOT honest either

[@sylorrin7298]

I think that the problems were stats and details. The aim of this patch is great, and fit what I want, like increasing interactions, increasing health, not sure about the 6Pchange. Character identity optimization. These concepts are super good and you can see the effort in some specific characters, like baiken. But they messed it up on stats. They did add health in general, but they also increase damage to certain moves to ensure that the damage is still huge in specific situations. But most characters only get 30 hp buff, while the damage buff is way much higher on those buffed moves and characters. Sometimes you just need to change your combo route and you get more damage. And it won't be that hard in most of cases which makes everyone become slayer level beast. About details, things like ram's sword not getting interrupted is the result of not caring about details. It feels like they don't have enough tests on these characters.

[@kajszi2075]

The rainwater nerf was brutal. It made Axl's offense, combo variety and reward much worse. The few buffs he got were simply not enough to compensate for lost strenght and lost sauce.

[@alainchristienemendoza9982]

What if Rainwater didn't get nerfed but still got the buffs and especially turning Rensen from charge to motion input, do you think these changes will make Axl better? Fair? Too strong or still insignificant?

[@Jumpingmelonz]

​@@alainchristienemendoza9982Tbh there's not much of a change with the rensen changes, especially aince axl had 6k>rensen in earlier seasons. But it's a pretty inconsistent combo and that is just axl's problem, he's very inconsistent and shifting power to his pokes just continues that. Especially now since loops got hit with juggle nerf, even with the buffs he'd probably be net neutral at best.

[@Donobro]

Yeah sauce doing rainwater 5 times... and mashing it in neutral ok

[@Johnnyyaguchi-w7y]

​@@Donobro dude if you had problems with an axl spamming rainwater in neutral, maybe you should have climbed out of floor 6 instead of complaining about the character

[@Donobro]

@Johnnyyaguchi-w7y actually I'm a top rated bedman and the move was dumb but it's cool

[@just-missed7930]

The only problem I have is they promised more communication and updates in Season 3, then we were left with it for about, if not over, a year. Might have been them deciding to make a switch port that held up their resources, but I really hope they're planning on actually keeping up with patches and updates this Season.

[@avianben3910]

i think this patch is just growing pains, clearly a lot of stuff got missed, or they just didnt have time to fix those things, but i think its kind of necessary with such a character overhaul patch, i trust them to fix it up to feel cleaner in the coming patches

[@Siberianhusky89]

Know what's growing pains? This game. This monotonous piece of crap that turned every fighting game into being less experimental.

[@TheOtakuKat]

These just proves to me more fighting games need to add a Edition Select like USF4 did. It's crazy to me that not more games have included that feature.

[@skyyjohnson2469]

We already know that game was light years ahead of its time

[@brysonduke2618]

O hai Sonic Unleashed Windmill Isle(Night) from the hit game Sonic Unleashed for the Sony Playstation 2 and 3, Microsoft Xbox 360, and Nintendo Wii

[@macanudo6206]

ye both axl and millia are like "hey its fun how theses peoples playing not popular AND not problematic characters got ONE good move outside theirs preferred situations (setup / zoning), and they nearly makes their characters looks well rounded, but they have to use interesting and unique techniques that have clear and easy counterplay ! Yeah just remove that for the game, that's cringe, nobody wants to air grab kapel or jump rainwater LOL" Absolute Zero thoughts put into that, while they are doing actual good changes to others char (like Ino, aba, may, chaos, bed, elph, faust, gio). Those are GREAT changes, like nerfing intertwine and tilt and buffing danzai, good shit !

[@0therwisesleep522]

"In keeping with Millia's identity as a strong air character, we've completely gutted her only anti-anti air and given her nothing to compensate. Sucks to suck, losers!"

[@konebany7317]

​@@0therwisesleep522bravo

[@br4tuna576]

​@@0therwisesleep522 "...with good mixup game" Character doesn't have any true mixups beyond one the worst strike/throw in the game.

[@Konakonizumi]

​@@0therwisesleep522bravo

[@0therwisesleep522]

@@br4tuna576 so it's not just me that's noticed a LOT more people guessing right on Hdisc as the game has gone on?

[@br4tuna576]

At first there was hype with expectations of reshuffled meta, my main (Millia) finally getting something reliable Then there was confusion followed by anger as Millia got nerfed, where as top tiers got either net buffed or reworked without moving their power level. This is even heated by the fact that Walter dropped Millia. Now it's just bitterness that's left. Im still playing this game just because i don't have other options but i can't say im having a good time. My kit can be shut down completely by 30% of the roster, but even if i play my cards perfectly and set up my "mix" i get reversaled or fuzzied because oh god, oh god, Millia doesn't have mix. Also, she dies faster now which is just peak comedy considering devs plans of "keeping the damage but encreasing the number of interactions.

[@Saskaruto16]

I think it's a bad idea to have so many reworks 3 and 1/2 years into the game. Most people don't play strive consistently anymore unless they are competitive, they come back to it for DLC or after watching a big tourney or when the mood strikes. Now many people don't have their characters to come back to, and likely won't lean another, while competitive players who loved their characters so much they played them for 3 and 1/2 years suddenly have them gone as well. Pot had the technical skill of the character removed which is just terrible. It's just a bad idea. Adding new stuff would have been fine, but massive reworks changing the characters that players have fallen in love with for years is not a good idea and may end up killing the game.

[@mcgoldenblade4765]

Instead of Zottom-1 (who is still not great btw), we now have Axl Low Tier as our character ArcSys hates the most.

[@noellappling]

If you're lucky they'll nerf him again. Join us brother

[@catinacafe7105]

Don't forget Potemkin. Went from a walking toaster to a walking garbage can lol

[@whitemoth4339]

Pot is very good, just not technical anymore ​@@catinacafe7105

[@luckii_shots]

​@@catinacafe7105the thing is, we can't even confirm if he got worse or better, that will take time to confirm. they just killed his sauce and skill expression

[@surrendering2within]

Zattom-1 😂 hilarious

[@jasonslade6259]

I've been enjoying Season 4 and honestly if Ram ended up a bit overtuned in her rework that's kinda expected that at least one of the reworks would end up unbalanced one way or the other. The only thing i really don't understand with this patch is why they keep buffing Goldlewis.

[@pedroscoponi4905]

It's good that GL is being incentivized to think about what he wants to do with Security, since actually building the resource takes 0 decision at all, and before the changes it was used pretty much exclusively for drone. The damage is very dumb though.

[@jasonslade6259]

@@pedroscoponi4905 I mean that all sounds good but security meter still comes back for too quickly for that to be a factor. Also he's perfectly capable of winning the majority of his matchups without ever spending Security anyway.

[@pedroscoponi4905]

@@jasonslade6259 Yeah, I noticed they tried to hit security generation as well but it sounds like it was not enough. Hopefully that gets addressed as well.

[@unrighteous8745]

I just started playing again after a very long break, so I don't have a great reference point... but... They said one of their goals was to increase the number of interactions per round. This was clearly a fail. I'm still getting two touched by half the cast, and some characters do even more damage now. You can't keep "the satisfying high damage the game is known for" and have a high number of interactions per round. It feels like every hit is a counter hit that leads to like 70% damage. Some games (not rounds) last like 20-30 seconds total. The lobbies are still omega trash and the absolute worst part of the game. Whenever I quit, this is the reason why. I know this is just the game... but holy crap blocking and taking your turn back is insanely difficult here. I can get a double perfect against someone and then get double perfected by them. It feels so random when you have two players of similar skill; like the first person to make their opponent block is probably going to win. There are a bunch of defense tools, but they're crazy risky. Some combos feel like there's a burst bait every two hits; it can get pretty obnoxious when burst is such a scarce resource. I'm not saying I want them to fundamentally change all the insane mix in the game, but adding frame data to training mode and some decent matchmaking would go a long way for reducing player frustration.

[@SPONGCHAO]

"The satisfying high damage thee game is known for" being tossed around is so funny to me when most ppl I know/see online that play fighting games and won't touch Strive cite the high damage as why they don't want to play lmao I think the gameplay itself is still very fun, but I still think damage is way too high. Just bringing the game from a two tap to a three tap game I think would do a world of wonder. And I also do wish they had the training mode frame data! Surprised it's not there still lmao

[@unrighteous8745]

@@SPONGCHAO I remember back when the game was in beta, there were 3 things everyone was complaining about; the lobbies, the high damage, and the ugly UI. I got used to the UI, the high damage... still not a fan (I think your suggestion of two tap to three is the best way to go), and the lobbies? Still absolute trash 4 years later. It's crazy that everything people were complaining about in beta are still annoying today. I'm all for letting the devs cook, but when the meal's been spoiled for 4 years, let's try something else please.

[@muckdriver]

Daisuke saw the Strive players didn't get to experience having to learn completely new characters on top of system changes XRD and XX players went through. So he thought it'd be funny to make a kusoge while serving them the same type of experience.

[@SPZ-gv2on]

He knew that no one played missing link and wanted to add a bit of it

[@h2_]

do they even plan to follow through on the "new move for all original roster characters" promise at this point?

[@gabrieljankowski9159]

I totally agree on the “letting people explore more about their characters” for my main Faust; hitting your items used to feel more like an Easter egg and now it feels like they actually want you to do it regularly

[@Calhasnopals]

My personal biggest issue with this patch is that their claim about increasing the number of interactions only really applies to some characters? Like, they have NOT at all fixed the fact that characters like Sol and Nago and Johnny and Slayer just shatter over half the roster in 1-2 touches, it’s only really effected characters who already struggled to do that. There are some characters who SHOULD do big numbers: ABA has a whole install for it, for example. But cases like Johnny really don’t need to keep doing numbers like that

[@yolojocolo5523]

A friend of mine just started playing strive with me and others on weekends a couple weeks ago, and he loves the goldlewis changes. He doesn’t even do the coffin swing moves he just loves how the mini gun got buffed lol. Also we kept seeing glitches where if he wins a match with a mini gun wall break the camera goes nuts kinda like that other glitch you were showing earlier.

[@0therwisesleep522]

This patch honestly made me feel like I wasted 500 hours. The same 5 characters never ever get nerfed without getting g compensatory buffs, meanwhile they'll pick a random low tier or two and gut them. I'm just glad I don't play this game for money.

[@SleepyDice]

I'm mostly sad at how bad it feels to play Axl now

[@Dispensa7]

I think what bothered me most about this patch (even when I scrolled through the patch notes before the actual patch came out) is how much effort/work they put into some characters compared to others. Characters that already pretty much worked/were even too strong got soooo many changes that ended up basically keeping their power-level in check, whilst others just got.. fuck all, or were even nerfed (Testie, Millia, Axl.. Anji?). It really did feel weird reading through Sol, Ky and Potemkin early on in the notes just to see like 3 changes for Testament or Millia in what seems like hindsight. Did they run out of time? The defence changes sounded so good on paper but they're only really felt on characters that already dealt low damage. We've had this discussion with Slayer, about how sometimes, A LOT OF DAMAGE really is worth having mediocre neutral. So why did the power characters get damage buffs as compensation? It's well and good they're trying to give us reasons to pick Chipp over Millia or vice-versa by differentiating further, but the real question still is.. why shouldn't I pick Leo? Or Goldie? Why go for a hellish mix-up you'll have to land 5 times if Goldie has to get you to guess wrong twice. Why play Jack-O when you could do the minimum in learning about your resource with Nago, where even the so-called "failure state" for some fucking reason gives you buffs for a comeback? Nago needs to have a comeback mechanic?! Where's Jack-O's damage buffs when she's spent servant-gauge? Why is the explosion still just a meme?! Maybe it's on me for having held out hope this kind of mindset in GG:S would change after 3 years, I guess. But the way they've handled this patch just really tore any hope I had in Strive being the game I wanted it to be away from me. That's fine, I guess. If people have fun like this then I'm not really trying to spoil it for them. I'll just keep it at casual play with friends and don't even think about re-doing celestial the next few months.

[@amesorisu]

Looks like LK is in that 100k club (posting at 99.9k). Congratulations on the hard work you put in, competitively and in content. Been here since S2.5 of DBFZ, haven’t left since.

[@Maxler5795]

The only thing i really cant say i can forgive for my main, the sun, is that they grabbed 2 savant moves and turned them into combo food, while shooting the actual combo food move.

[@iamataldi]

6:41 lore accurate may

[@dorugora3912]

I was playing this game and getting really mad but then I got very high and started having the time of my life so I think that's the key to enjoying this season.

[@ERRandDEL]

Honestly, I'm a pretty casual player, and I get that being hit with some bug in ranked is probably frustrating, but at the same time it's not like they're *not* going to address it at some point, so I'm not sweating it.

[@cellimen]

I haven't played a ton but heres my biggest impression so far, and a couple personal gripes. Starting with my characters so I can be judged accordingly - Zato, Leo, Happy Chaos, Testament, and ABA. I would say low to medium floor 10 player on all of them So I really want to hear others opinions on this and if they are feeling this change like I am. One of the biggest changes I've felt is with the defense changes. Characters like Potemkin or Bedman feel crazy tanky, like I need 4-5 combos to kill tanky, which I feel like I'm fine with them taking more hits, but Pot feels dang near unkillable. Meanwhile the squishy characters feel like they die in a tap. My most recent character is Happy chaos, and it feels like one combo and a couple strays kills him, let alone a pot buster takes 70% of his health. So the whole health difference feels crazy. Now I like overall more health in general it feels better not getting instantly done in, but it feels like the squishiers tend to die just as easy if not easier now while the tanks have become unstoppable. Now onto personal gripes. Testament feels like she needed so much more, he has always been fairly mediocre, and it would've been nice if she got something a little more. Yes it is nice that he gets the stained grab, but because stain goes away even on block its a very niche buff, I am happy with it, but it doesn't feel all that impactful. ABA is someone that I have a larger problem with. I know they want to tie into identities of characters more, but my greatest hope for ABA and the reason I have mostly stopped playing her is the gap is too large, and I hoped they would decrease the gap. ABA has some of the most binary win/lose rates against characters. Zoners obliterate her, and she obliterates non-zoners, it feels like the match doesn't matter you know how it ends when you meet an Axl as ABA. So what did they do? They made the gap worse. Now ABA will be crushed further by zoners and will still absolutely demolish poor poor chip. Oh yeah another thought I had. I can't tell if its a skill dif or not, but going into someone that knows how to 6P still feels the exact same as before, even with stalling in the air, most stalls still give enough time for a second 6P. IDK the exact frame data though.

[@vatekanore3756]

I'm not upset by the changes but it is a little weird that they said they improved everyone's defenses but it feels like everything is dying faster

[@MJCKCA]

the one thing I dislike about this patch is how they changed Sin. I don't even play Sin, but making his bar be a more scarce resource without in the same process buffing his food eating special to actually buff his meter gain is INSANE. ASW straight out forgot Sin has that move

[@davidwilkinson4634]

It's more of a buff tho sin now just two taps if the situation is right

[@MJCKCA]

@@davidwilkinson4634 tbh I haven't seen if it's a net positive or negative for Sin. My issue is with the principle that they have a move that historically gave him his resource back, and after making said resource more limited they didn't make eating speed up its recovery. I personally consider the aspect of Sin needing to eat on Xrd to be the most interesting part of his design history on GG, I'd rather not have him turn into an all or nothing kind of character

[@zurgtm7715]

If anything, Sin feels like he's on steroids right now, and this is coming from me who's a Sin player. His follow up attacks on his specials are much more powerful and you can even convert combos off them now. However, I do agree that they should have made eat speed up the recovery of his stamina, seeing as that aspect got nerfed pretty hard. I feel like it makes him a little more strategic and interesting to play now though, so overall, I'm not complaining about the changes.

[@dokkisse9075]

Not a fan of the Millia changes personally, air backdash change is fun but she kinda just doesnt have good sauce tbh :/ kinda boring to play as and against

[@JadenHybrid]

Strive players just got Dragonballed.

[@YouTubeCrisisIntervention]

arcsystem has always been this bad with patches you must be a striver

[@bustoo]

The leo bug was a huge one to me that showed they did minimal if any playtesting. Within seconds of going into training with leo i realized something was wrong.

[@cynix88]

Honestly I’m not really upset with the fact that clone can’t take a hit. I’m more upset with the fact it still takes health to use. It’s not like it’s a parry, the main way I normally use it is a a projectile wall. It’s not really with using now, it really just became a glorified back dash.

[@Dingus-gp8fz]

As a casual, this patch was so fresh and fun

[@benisign]

I feel like we're gonna get a super big 4.5 update in a few months. When you play season 4 it's like half the characters play on the new patch and everyone else is on 3.5 still

[@21striver38]

I'm really happy i can backdash with slayer now. Having a blast this season.

[@asmodyan]

I literally asked this yesterday on reddit lol. I don't play this game since Elphelt came out and i returned basically because of Ram as she was my main (well, one of them) and i ended up not liking her actually, but liking A.B.A and Testament. This patch is where i'm having the most fun, besides getting really pissed in some matchups but hey, this is Guilty Gear after all, and i genuinely didn't get why people where mad. Now i kinda of understand why but i'm still enjoying anyway

[@ZenTea]

Ram feels so different now. She doesn’t even feel like the same character. It’s one thing to change a character like this between games, but to completely retool someone during the games lifespan feels wrong.

[@Labasta_de_Lua]

Real, it's a completely different feeling playing this Ram. I basically used to only play her online, now when I give a try on her I think "Ok, she's good, but is this really Ram?"

[@valeoncat13]

I thought rams original Strive design was wack and didn't feel like it utilized her kit to the fullest. Instead the strengths of a few moves in her kit(mostly sword toss in the corner) outweighed everything about the character. For 3 seasons, they attempted to give more power and agency to her other tools, but in the end, sword toss in the corner remained the primary character identity. It feels like the devs saw the same flaws I did and instead of trying to salvage it again, they opted for something better. So the second I saw how they changed her, I personally thought this was the best thing to happen to Ram since launch. I get she doesn't feel the same anymore. But to me, she's a much more interesting character because of it.

[@konebany7317]

Why do Guilty gear developers STRONGLY DISLIKE MILLIA AXL and ZATO

[@lojika1majik]

Eh, having Millia & Zato as top tier would frustrate the everliving hell out of most people. Same might go for Axl. Need proof? Take a look at Blazblue.

[@Konakonizumi]

so madness. in this game there is a mixup rushdown characters besides millia and zoners... stop being biased. This is the main reason - developers and players are biased. Millia did not break ACPR, although she is a high tier. in fact. ​@@lojika1majik

[@Konakonizumi]

​@@lojika1majikneed proofs... Talking about another game.. what?! Lmao

[@kinsmanne98]

i mean we had season 2 zato but even then he didn’t seem too egregious. not asking for top tier just give them something you know what im sayin

[@Konakonizumi]

​@@kinsmanne98its typical biased strive animal.

[@pank3245]

The Gear in season 4 is indeed Guilty

[@Gixel_]

I think the weirdest part of the patch for me is that there are quite a few characters that got next to (or less than) nothing, which is weird when the characters who got the most new tools are the best in the game. You mentioned how Ram was better Testament, but the solution to that being a rework (and buff) of Ram is really strange. Millia, Jack-O, Johnny, and Zato all got shockingly harsh patches for being on the lower half of the cast, and Axl and Potemkin both got reworks that simplify their (already considered simple) gameplans even further. A wacky patch is fine, but when you pick and choose who gets new stuff that creates problems, even moreso when the characters you pick are near exclusively top tiers. I get judging a patch on balance in the first week is risky, but in sheer quantity of changes, reworking and buffing top tiers while leaving the low tiers alone (or even nerfing them ;_;) is just weird no matter how the game turns out.

[@valeoncat13]

I think the Ram change makes sense. Her original design was that her swords were supposed to be a resource, that heavily rewarded her on use, but without them she had a much harder time. Kind of like Zato, in that sense. However in execution, her swords were almost constantly in play. Part of this was how fast they returned to her + being able to be picked up with proximity. The other issue was that there was almost no reason to use her swords outside of the corner. So in every instance where swords were useful, was in a place you could instantly pick them up again. And this is just a theory, but I believe a lot of other changes to her kit, were an attempt to give her an identity outside of the sword toss. But it was so strong and simple, it overshadowed everything. So the changes themselves solved this issue by 1. Making her sword use actually more limited/punishing. 2. Making one of her swords rewarding in the mid-screen, which incentivizes players to risk the cooldown for big damage. And the reason they reverted a lot of her moves to older states(like Sildo Detruo being an overhead), is because they are now following through on their original concept, so her original kit works better in tandem with it again. I think it's a little flawed to look at the patch as "weak vs strong" cause it seems clear that was not how the devs approached it. Instead they were looking at characters execution in design. Some characters have had a weak design execution since day 1(like Ram). Whereas other characters like Zato or Axl basically hit all the important parts of the character design from the start. I get as players it's easy to look at a characters strength as what's important but for designers, sometimes that has very little to do with it.

[@Jonathankiller100]

Johnny is a really strong character, don’t think he’s on the lower half of the cast

[@WinstonCrosdale-h6d]

One real free internet connection provider main.

[@Craft2299]

Nothing of what they wanted to happen in the descriptions of the patch notes plays in strive. It feels a lot less fun most of the times. I mean, the One 2D nerf on Jacko crushed so much of what made Jacko fun, now I am pushed to play her in a way that makes people despise playing against jacko (infinites).

[@jaydesonia]

EXACTLY ME RIGHT NOW

[@holy2685]

Zone and decide when it's their turn to play the videogame. I'm outta here.

[@johndelanie3649]

As an ABA main, I'm alright with yhe 236K nerf in normal mode, but losing the advancing block has made zoner matchups so much more agonizing, ESPECIALLY against Dizzy, you really have to play patient and build meter with the command block to do anything.

[@iceagray363]

1.4 fix patch does not have dizzy roosted nut listed as bug. the skill doesn't fells like it was suppose to be available like that, the frame is very tight even trying anti air force opponent to standup first. do that type of skill meant to be stay on the game, any chance they gone fix it or maybe change it.

[@Opblaasmaatje]

Damn LordKnight really has no rimples when his face is in neutral, it's so smooth.

[@AnonFuzz]

I just appreciate that I can use Potemkin now. I could never wrap my head around Kara cancels, so not needing them is nice. Still wish they existed for the better players tho.

[@smithbabies7886]

Hit it basically at the same time. Should sound like a really fast drumroll. I miss kara potbuster roundstart, and potbuster does too much damage. I need to savor that 1hp standoff.

[@HarryHairdo]

The main pain for pot players is that they effectively removed a special move in Kbmf (it had unique properties) and they killed all his awesome routing that spent forever practising

[@WinstonCrosdale-h6d]

I am a law abiding citizen, I am above the law.

[@WinstonCrosdale-h6d]

I need work. I need health. Experience are to have.

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

Yes I like the patch. But I hope Arcsys does something for the characters with the more questionable nerfs or lack of buffs. I had higher hopes for Zato, I'd like him to be not a total throw pick competitively. Overall, solidly positive impression, held back by the uncertainty of Arcsys' spotty track record in the past and present. edit: Also, my enjoyment is held down by the very loud complaining.

[@PurePancakes113]

I really like how they are giving characters new fun tools to use regardless if they've gotten a new move like Faust standalone hole in one or Anji Charged Fujin chains

[@evanpaul3066]

I really hope they find a way to make jack-os mix accessible but not as potent. Taking the 3 way away is understandable but now I’m struggling to find her identity as a character

[@WinstonCrosdale-h6d]

Out of many, one people.

[@mrpinguimninja]

Like theoryfighter put it best on twitter: perhaps completely overhauling characters 4 years after the game's launch wasn't the smartest move. I'm also kinda disheartened that they seem to only nerf the hardest characters in the game. The best Zato can get, it seems, is them walking back on their own changes from past seasons, so the character isn't really buffed, and HC has been nerfed twice already while being the hardest character in the game. Makes you wonder what's the point of putting in the time to learn a harder character for them to frequently gut it. At the same time, May, Sol, Nago and Leo seem to never be nerfed and either keep their place and strength or get stronger.

[@leodiusd4858]

In my case, it's because while they made my character "stronger" they removed my playstyle from the game

[@francisholt8685]

Just want to say, LK, thanks for the constant content injections into our “FGC feeds”. Glad to see you are almost at 100k!!!!🙏🏽🎉🎉🎉 keep it up

[@ricardoludwig4787]

Surprised you didn't mention the Potemkin change, which removed the most unique part of him as a character in favor of doubling down on a generic "big heavy guy" approach

[@davidwilkinson4634]

He always was tho

[@ThatLuckyBear]

Excited to get back in to GGST. I'm happy to have these videos to keep up while I'm out of the game. I'll be back in playing Baiken a little while before Lucy drops!

[@seanhoward4862]

as a question, where do we find out about those type of clean hit gun bugs, and other things like that in the game, I had no idea

[@navyactor]

hey, huge gear fan here (ino, bridget, elph) and i love it. this patch got me back into strive honestly. i think the game direction and philosophy that the devs outlined in the patch notes is amazing and ive had so much fun playing strive that i haven't had in the past. really love how they're trying to increase interactions and vary character identities more :)

[@Tomoka51]

ArcSys noticed Axl players were having too much fun with a character that was functional and unique from the rest of the cast and from typical zoners, good thing they fixed that. I doubt we'll ever get Rainwater vacuum back (they were pretty clear on wanting to change the move's purpose) but I seriously hope they take a closer look at why we weren't just throwing Rensen all the time like they seem to want, and adjust these "consolation buffs" to actually *work* and more satisfactorily make up for the loss in combos, pressure, and neutral that we lost. 6K > Rensen doesn't even work most of the time still (despite that being a SPECIFIC combo they wanted to be able to happen) and the Nado launch is so pitiful I genuinely thought it was another bug when I first saw it. Without Rainwater the rest of his kit has kinda just fallen apart and I really really hope they address how non-functional he's become as a result.

[@agrumbler2872]

This is the same company that shipped Xrd SIGN in Europe and then never updated the game in Europe, leaving the Europe version of the game missing two characters

[@fightedmealready2692]

Almost at 100k! Congrats 🎉

[@havoc2285]

So, can we expect u to play some more Baiken, albeit alongside May now?

[@Wista13]

I wonder if they gonna fix that bug, where zato's head disappears when he's frozen by dizzy.

[@colin_chelsea]

Just jumped onto Strive from SF6 as a Diamond Guile and Gief! I'm loving Pot and Slayer atm. Super cool game you've got there with some cool offensive options.

[@kingofthegrapes]

I wish there was a way to play the final version of previous seasons, haven’t wanted to play the game since the season 3 changes.

[@hazzy5714]

i bought it right as season 4 launched lol had no idea anything was wrong

[@valeoncat13]

I think the one blindspot players have, is they are very bad at parsing changes within context of the games history and ecosystem. Zato's Damned Fang is a good example. Yes, they did revert it back to it's original use. But in context of the characters history, the reason they changed it in the first place, was an attempt to solve a problem in regards to his strength early in the games lifespan. Clearly they solved that problem on their end, so reverting Damned Fang, was the response to that. He still got problems. But clearly my ideal version of the character IS not the same as the dev teams. But what I can do is follow along and try to see what their visions is... or stop playing the character. It's easy, lol.

[@deathhimself1427]

I wish they hadn't made Sol so much worse, but I'm interested to see how things play out.

[@anyavillanueva1137]

As a casual floor 5-6 bedman? this patch is so much fun lol ,but yeah for pro players this migth be hell

[@Willyavv]

I really love season 4, and what did they do with Elphelt

[@Death_By_Orange]

The Pot changes made me really sad. It made him fresh and unique compared to previous iterations of the character. He definitely feels stronger but he has less of a skill ceiling to explore and have fun with.

[@chimpmasterflex]

I'll just preface this, by saying, I'm a pretty avid strive hater, but I figured I'd check the patch out, as an xrd ram player. I know people are mostly focused on the sword explosion stuff, but being able to cancel/hit-confirm into 214hs is hilarious. I'm just playing sword footsies, and rarely actually chucking them. Even that aside, pretty funny how they increased hp and stuff, but I can do k-6hs-214hs off like anything for 40-ish %, not including stuff like counter hit, or using bar. I know most characters can do this, or more off of like anything, but I feel it goes against what they were trying to do with this patch lol. My favorite xrd ram thing, was simply the 2s,2hs combos/string, cause I like seeing big sword, do big damage, so I'm actually enjoying myself for once in this game. Counterhit HS, or counterhit 214hs, into ending your character's life is kind of a blast. So funny how that works, the patch where everyone is freaking out, is the one I'm actually having fun in. Edit, but I forgot to include hitconfirming hs into calvados, and deleting someone. Does like 50-60%, and is likely to break the wall. I wouldn't be surprised if they lowered the damage on it a bit.

[@ky_slumps1260]

Congrats on 100k i been here for like 3 years watching guides and all types of ur vids nice to see i get here Lk ❤

[@killerkonnat]

They turned Anji most of the way back to season 1 status. Patch note reasoning: "Anji is a character who launches his offense while taking on risk. However, there were many instances where the reward far outweighed the risk. We've added new offensive options for him and made it easier to extend his offense." What they did: Added a gimmick that will kill you if you try to do it in blockstrings. Not a single other thing positively affecting offense. Lowered reward from risky followup, made the safe followup punishable often. Still kept the problem where Anji gets exactly one mixup per string without spending meter. Well, with his changed 2P, 6H and fish he can't be nearly as bad as S1. The largest buff Anji ever got was -1 frame on 2P startup and that's not even a joke. Massive difference on a character with no meterless reversal.

[@cringusmingus]

well fish is pretty good and made spin not so out of anji’s favour and he still gets the increased reward off of fujiin low and his damage is relatively even higher this patch when he does land a big hit so it’s not all bad (but certainly not a buff). It’s very odd that characters like millia and anji were nerfed in the same patch that goldlewis and chipp were buffed

[@DrGamersEmporium]

not to detract from your larger point but making 2p one frame faster is huge. a 4 frame 2p vs a 5 frame 2p completely changes what a character has access to on defense, lets them interrupt and punish things that were impossible before

[@waluigimourner8071]

​@cringusmingus Chipp had kinda fallen off to low mid by 3.5 tbf, but yeah, it's bizarre that they were scared of making characters like Axl good when they gave Leo a slap on the wrist for the billionth time

[@HellecticMojo]

@@waluigimourner8071 a good zoner is cancer. Chaos for example.

[@killerkonnat]

@@DrGamersEmporium I did say the 2p is the biggest buff he ever got. But you're getting it wrong, it's still 5f in this patch, it used to be 6f ages ago. They didn't buff it again. I'm saying the 1 frame buff he received in an earlier season means he can't be as bad as S1.

[@the_bunty]

dude I LOVE the update! I play Sin and I think he is substantially stronger now! Hooray I hit elk hunt or hoof stomp and now I get a full meterless combo into super wall-break! He needs it dude *Edit: Oh also he is relatively unchanged, I've been using the same stuff just for 2 bars of stam instead of 1. And the F.S and 2S nerfs are barely noticeable tbh. Overall I'm stoked to see what's in store for the future, my love for this game isn't any less. My heart goes out to the Leo players, though.

[@meat.]

they made half the characters more boring. That’s clearly a massive problem. Ram is a good example, she’s ascended into godhood now sure, but what’s the fun if I can’t even sauce my opponents with rekka 2 cancels? I won’t even start with Pot yall already know

[@SPONGCHAO]

Yeah she feels CRAZY boring now, which is WILD considering even tho I main Ram she felt a bit too linear as is.

[@specterer]

Whaaat she's so much more fun you two are wilding. Never had this much fun with a character since Deejay SF6 😂

[@mrs_trains_6213]

i was so mad when i saw the patch notes and saw 0 frame data buffs on faust

[@shytsu7090]

I'm not a good player or anything by I was getting insane not being able to hit some combo with Giovanna that I knew for sure were working before. I had a little hiatus right before so I didn't knew if it was because of the time without playing the game or if something really did change. Outside of that I've been having a bit more fun lately.

[@lokomo]

Congratz on 100k LK!

[@benjaminracelis1992]

Looking forward to seeing your run at Frosty Faustino’s again ❤

[@jdoggydogg]

I've been mad since launch. Won't be happy until they add Jam.

[@thejackofnotrades3844]

I do NOT like how sol was handled dawg he is so boring now

[@captainphoton1693]

People complain about potemkin too. But honestly I tried him a bit. And past Kara. It's all buffs. So I'd say if they want people to stop complaining but still keep their vision. Bring Kara's back. But nail pot buster specifically to the ground. The range and armor make up for the lack of Kara buster. Since it's pretty much required to do a Kara buster, being the whole reason behind it's removal. Canceling all momentum at the start of the move should prevent people from using Kara. While keeping the tech on every other special. As thoses are unnecessary. No new player will be stumped about not being able to do a backward Kara mega fist.