Lore Dip: How Did the Empire Survive the Skaven Invasion and Black Plague?

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[@shiggydiggy6847]

Just as he makes this available for us regular peasants, his home gets invaded by mice. The council of thirteen is after him.

[@rethall2308]

It's just safe to assume that the 7 in every 10 ppl dying is either an exaggeration or only true in some areas, while other in others the plague hit less hard and the problem was more the famine/war that would follow... In irl Europe many regions did see a population drop of almost a half during the black plague and they turned out "fine", recovering population wise in roughly a century.

[@Grivehn]

"Fine' when all those nations suffered and they only kept chipping at each other. The Empire's whole thing is being surrounded by foes, yet NONE of them capitalized on this weakness. Hummus is right about that. Norscans could have rolled over Altdorf. Beastmen could have popped up from the woods to take out Middenland. (If they werent a joke in the first place.) Bretonnia could have taken Marienburg from Norscans and kept it for themselves. And there are still Chaos in general which could have used cults or an invasion to finish what Skaven started. Or Greenskins Waaagh hearing about the biggest war of the century coming rolling from south.

[@shorewall]

It'd make more sense if it was more like the IRL Black Plague, and it affected everyone, including the Skaven, including the Undead, because then everyone would be on equal footing. But irl, people weren't fighting wars during the Black Plague, they were traumatized.

[@brandonlyon730]

@@shorewall What about the hundred years war?

[@rave9532]

@@shorewallthere were dozens of wars during the Black Death, it was part of the reason it spread so much.

[@DovahFett]

@@brandonlyon730 The Hundred Years War was an one-and-off conflict. There were periods of intense fighting followed by even longer periods where next to nothing happened. Its name is almost a misnomer, since it was really a series of connected wars with an overarching objective, not just a single war.

[@szczepanfiefiorka2107]

these videos are like watching people whose only experience in history is 2000 hours in eu4 and hoi4 trying to armchair history but for warhammer

[@johndane9754]

If the empire in Warhammer is anything like the Holy Roman Empire in reality, then it doesn't have *a* central army but *several* armies. In the former HRE, there was the Imperial Army, the Holy Roman Emperor's army, the provisional armies, and the Army of the Empire, the Imperial Diet's army composed of mustered forces from across the HRE. Then there were the local forces of the various duchies, republics, princedoms, fiefdoms, and so on within the HRE. So Goldgather may have disbanded an army of the empire instead of *the* army of the empire.

[@SleepyFen]

This feels the most believable

[@Michael-bn1oi]

This is also 100% true and directly backed up by lore. There are State Troopa from every province. These Provinces regularly fight eachother. The Emperor can get everyone together in a coalition army. It's even talked about in the Black Plague books lol

[@AcZe1188]

where did you get the information of the army organizations of the HRE? I'm sort of curious to learn

[@johndane9754]

@@AcZe1188 You can read the source material found at the bottom of the wiki pages on the Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire) and the Army of the Holy Roman Empire. There is also a Weapons and Warfare about them, another article about army of the HRE in 1692 from the US Army combined arms center, journalist articles about the armies of the HRE, primary documents but most are in German. You'll find them if you look but a good start are the sources at the bottom of the wiki pages.

[@AcZe1188]

@@johndane9754 Thanks!

[@thegreatbookofgrudges6953]

2:47 it's like the case of the province of Solland/Sudenland. once the province got destroyed by gorbad's waaagghh, the government was moved to Wissenland and progressingly merging with Wissenland due to it almost inhabitable. Same thing with the province of Drakwald, it was merged with the province of Middenland except for the part of deep forest as it full of beastmen blood-grounds 5:40 old world human god of death

[@johndane9754]

I thought the drakwald province was disbanded by decree after there had been one too many bad emperor's elected from them.

[@Grivehn]

Solland's destruction is way after this Black Plague war though, isnt it? Hummus stated its powderless Empire still.

[@thegreatbookofgrudges6953]

@johndane9754 @Grivehn yeah I left the comment with vague wordings because I'd only memorized that Drakwald province merging with Middenland due to beastmen warherd destroyed the province and solland merging with wissenland due to the noblity of solland not being able to recovered after the waaagghh

[@centurion7398]

The Skaven's goals are beyond our understanding... But like in a bad way.

[@thegreatbookofgrudges6953]

Hell yeah emperor mandred skavenslayer!!!!

[@POOH_LY]

That's why I love them. They are like... Why win together if I can win alone? There's no us in this, only me. It has to be a victory where I am the only one who gets all the fame and glory. Each Skaven's aiming for the best possible outcome for themselves.

[@evilmurlock]

2:12 how did he murder his army when he didn't have an army? I asume the soldiers had atleast some weapons and experiennce. Surely the secred police wasnt that strong?

[@POOH_LY]

He clicked the disband button, and they all just evaporate into thin air.

[@tobiashagstrom4168]

Me crying and vomiting with rage and fear when he draws directly on the map layer. Make at least one new layer bro! 😭

[@ggghbgjytgt]

The typical explanation for how the empire survived the aftermath is that all the other random gribbles like orks and beastmen also got decimated by the skaven

[@StarshadowMelody]

"Is that music too loud?" I can't even hear it!

[@SleepyFen]

The amount of opportunistic backstabbing that Skaven get up to always has me cackling lol

[@zebedeestowers8386]

Maybe you could lower your opacity with your brush so people can see under the blobs

[@Obscurit1]

Also go from a darker shade of each colour to lighter, chronologically, for clarity.

[@IREAPCATS]

The grand wizard round house killing skaven is something I need in game 😂😂😂

[@vandur2322]

Mandred Skavenslayer didn't macho man defeat the Skaven by sheer force and he didn't summon troops from nowhere. What happened was that his righteous and effective resistance to the Skaven gave the remaining Empire forces something to rally around. Basically he gained so much legitimacy that other Counts and Burgomeisters had no choice but to support him, most of them enthusiastically.

[@12SickOne34]

The Skaven saving the Empire from the Skaven vy being back stabby Skaven. Classic

[@pyotrbagration2438]

Skaven saved the entire world multiple times by trolling Nagash.

[@dr.squares8938]

When in doubt, pull out a Drucchi

[@contrariancodex8038]

These lore videos are the best gym E-book, cheers HB

[@davidhernando353]

Doesn't it take an army to kill another army? How does the emperor eliminate his entire army? In any case the novels seem to represent the skaven perfectly. The novels were written to detail an event that was a detail without further explanation that seven out of ten died. That the novels have to continue. When it is explained in more detail, that is when the difficulties of making it coherent begin to be seen, especially if even more losses are added for other reasons. That the debacle of seven out of ten is more than enough to weaken the empire almost fatally. I guess the empire activated druchii mode and more imperial troops just appeared out of nowhere.

[@HumanBoyYesYes]

The army was unarmed and protesting, asking for jobs and bread. His secret police surrounded the plaza at night, set fire to the park they were camped in and then the emperor's personal knights charged in while they were confused. So his royal guard and secret police won a fight outnumbered 1 to 5

[@baldwin3243]

It would make a lot more sense if another country intervened. But 7/10 is just fatal.

[@hachmanno]

Since it says 7 out of 10 people who get the Plague die I assume not everyone got it

[@michasalamon8315]

I think important thing to remember is that the Goldtooth killed most of Reikland and Drakwald soldiers that were dismissed and went to protest in Altdorf, while other provinces have their own armies. As for invasions from orcs norscans or bretonnians, while it’s not outright stated I believe that such devastating plague like Black Plague would spread far and wide, therefore most likely killing many would be living invaders, or cause even trolls to think twice before attacking in order to not get sick. And once the plague was gone. Well. It’s easier to defend mountain passes and repel invasions by the sea. We also don’t know how many norscans died in Marienburg and Wasterlands, could be a lot, and if not then we dunno how long they occupied the city before the empire besiege and forced them out.

[@sephose7441]

Dunking on WH lore > Dunking on a mamoths > dunking on frostwyrms > dunking on people dunking on land battles > land battles.

[@yourcasualluciferist6202]

Skaven tactics yes-yes

[@acmaiden5236]

Hell yeah, more lore stuff

[@Planewalker1999]

I love these lore videos!

[@MAGS-ik5uj]

The imperial army itself is what got disbanded and the soldiers killed. The main reason the imperial army getting disbanded mattered is because there would not be an emperor lead army, pushing the burden onto the individual nations alone (imagine the difference between the USA military and New York National Guard, kinda like that). So yes the “federal” troops were slaughtered but each elector count still had standing armies of their own. During healthy times, the empire has an army made up of men from all over the empire’s provinces in ADDITION to each elector count’s own army. Hopefully what I’m saying makes sense here, might not be articulating this well enough

[@SSR2902]

he murdered the entire army with his non existing army because he disbanded it. well i wish the cartagenian mercenaries where that easy to dispatch.

[@austinkoepp1409]

Haha the emperor used his secret police and reiksgaurd to surround the protestors who were unarmed

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

@18:10 The Empire could get soldiers the same way Hungary did after the first Mongolian invasion wiped out half their population: go to the surrounding lands, and offer land and money. In the short term, this would actually be an advantage: the fifth son of some Brettonian peasent now has his own farm, and you can bet he'd gamble with war to keep it instead of dying hungry back home. In the long term, bringing in a bunch of people with different languages and cultures would cause massive problems for the state, but not many are going to want to read a Warhammer book about teaching peasants the local laws.

[@jc5512]

Ahh middenland. It would be nice to have the empire's second region and its troops in the game at last.

[@jeambeam3173]

I mean your not rly missing much just play Radious to get Warrior Priests of whatever there gods name is I forget

[@jc5512]

@@jeambeam3173 Boris Todbringer as a Campaign Lord Grand Master of the White wolves - Lord Al-Ulric - Lord Priest of Ulric - Hero Hunting Dog Pack - dogs Wolf-kin - unbreakable infantry Children of Ulric - werewolves Teutogen Guard - Great weapon Infantry White Wolves - Great Weapon combat cavalry There's plenty. But personally I would like it included as a dlc that introduced all the regions as playable campaign centres with their elector counts as starting lords, the full region colours and a more fleshed out roster of electoral count units and unique buildings. The empire is the most popular campaign faction, give us EVERYTHING including minor factions in one dlc. All the knightly orders, all the halfling units, all the regions, all the counts.

[@TheRealKiRBEY]

Im more suprised at how order factions survive in general

[@Screamingrift]

Use some more layers and overlay styles so we can still see the map underneath!

[@Grivehn]

The one nation/race which has even more plot armor than Dark Elves is the Empire. 'Armies keep popping up from nowhere' is basically Warhammer though, so... its what it is.

[@bleflar9183]

Id say with the Empire it makes more sense, since there's a lot of humans. And a lot of small lords with their own little army each. So armies appearing out of nowhere isn't as surprising.

[@shorewall]

I'd say that most people aren't in the army, but when the Skaven are taking over everything, and destroying your village, then joining the army seems more appealing.

[@bleflar9183]

@@shorewall That, and emergency conscription.

[@andresr.viguera9791]

Hence why I try to think The Empire is the size of Europe actually not the HRE. I try to think the nations of Warhammer are fairly massive and with a lot of population each

[@brandonlyon730]

@@andresr.viguera9791 Isn’t the warhammer fantasy world itself already like 2.5 times bigger then real earth?

[@Planewalker1999]

Read the Malus Darkblade series btw

[@HomerJSimpson999]

classic skaven warfare xD

[@WiseOwl_1408]

By plot. Nothing else.

[@goransekulic3671]

How did they ever managed to do what they did in the ... Endtimes? I know it is half canon, but how are these mega backstabbers meant to do that? Also, how did Boris manage to eliminate his own army lol? A putsch would happen!

[@rubz1390]

Their god literally manifested in front of them and told them to get their shit together.

[@brandonlyon730]

@@rubz1390 That wasn’t even the first time the Horned rat did such a thing, it was how the council of 13 was formed in the first place if I recall.

[@cathulionetharn5139]

shitty writing forced on the writers by higher up "we are killing fantasy and starting a new world"

[@will9501]

Middenheim best!

[@BENJAMOSAURUS]

Before watching the video, I'm gonna assume the big TL DR is : Their leaders and their people weren't as stupid and useless back then.

[@masaheimoi]

And the answer is....with the same bs dark elfs use to keep themselves rellevant.

[@Paul-ov3qn]

I don't care about MP, its just not my thing These is really interesting tho, do more of these and I'll definitely watch

[@tofastninj9747]

Please, I'm begging you! Please use a separate layer for your edits!

[@BATTERIESc]

I just find it a bit cringe obsessing over the viability of a fictional war outcome, like stretch your imagination slightly to make it head canon or get a new hobby.

[@Phallomancer]

I find it a bit cringe critiquing the creation of a video discussing the viability of a fictional war outcome. Like, stretch your imagination to let people enjoy hobbies and fiction how they want to enjoy them. SEE WHAT I DID THERE??!