Lorgar and Magnus Conversation from "Betrayer" - A 40k Dramatic Reading

[@thetriple7-7-78]

“I’m going to save him” proceeds to an un-consensually ascend Angron into a demon and Angron in his last moments of lucidity laments at the horror that he now a slave again and he will never be able to escape it.

[@Mr.BednaR]

Iif i recall correctly... He escaped it for a second just when he exploded...a planet, was it? But khorne pulled him back

[@thetriple7-7-78]

⁠​⁠@@Mr.BednaR I think it was more explain that Khorne was actually rewarding him for blowing up the coral engine which was a really big win Chaos so Khorne gave Angron the piece of being free of the pain of the butchers nails that he always wanted even if it was only for a few moments.

[@David13579]

And at that point, I guess you do just give into ANGer, huh? Damn

[@wilsongermanarrieta2101]

This is unreal characterization. Top of the line voice acting

[@Khorne__]

i love how lorgar sound and its so protective over angron

[@gasmonkey1000]

For how big a dick Lorgar is, how evil he is, he does like the idea of having brothers. He does care about them. Even Robot Gorrilaman, after Calth and when he saw the rage Girlyman had on Nuceria he wanted to apologize and explain not out of cowardice but regret for hurting someone he thought had hated him.

[@Khorne__]

@@gasmonkey1000 lorgar is to well written bro, even to im an Angron and Alpharius fan, but lorgar its a cool character he had his reasons to become evil

[@Izrek]

Lorgal was only brother who loved Angron and Angron in my own opinion loved him back as much as he could.

[@MrHoneuma]

​@@Izrekabsolutely. Otherwise, I doubt he'd have had the resolve to have caught the foot of and then lifted that Warhound Titan to save Lorgar.

[@infidelheretic923]

The schemer with the dumb brute. It's easy to see why Horus sent them together. Neither could be trusted on their own but maybe together they could do what he ordered.

[@ilFrancotti]

It's a surprise, not a secret. There is a difference. - Lorgar Also Lorgar a few moments later: One word is as good as any.

[@ShishouDzukiZaManako]

one word is as good as many if the VA said it right; hard to tell if it was the VA or the subtitles that were incorrect

[@jigglypuff50]

Lorgar is a master of doublespeak, I love it. "One word is as good as any" Literally the last of the Primarchs that can say that lmao.

[@ryanalamo3851]

Lorgar is actively lying when he says "One word is as good as any". He's always pushing faith in the dark gods

[@TheBigExclusive]

I love how Magnus reacted with "So?" at news Angron was dying. Shows how little the brothers care for him.

[@barrydalton4743]

I mean it is kind of hard to care for a guy that hated everything and everyone around him. Even Perturabo is more liked by his brothers and be more popular at parties, and Perturabo is NOT popular at parties.

[@MrFredstt]

@@barrydalton4743I wonder who's more hated? Konrad, Perturabo, or Angron

[@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180]

Angron always was a timebomb, from the moment he was found everyone knew he was going to die. Add to that the fact he was always angry, all the time, at everyone, and his death was unmourned; add that he himself wanted to die and it's a blessing, him being finally free. Lorgar saved Angron from death to enslave him, not out of love or goodness.

[@zeppelincraft1443]

@@barrydalton4743To his credit though, while Perturabo is not the type to go to parties he loves organizing an event

[@ArnoldJudasRimmer..]

​@@zeppelincraft1443he was actually great fun at parties. He even gave 1 out of every 10 of his sons the chance to survive by killing the most useless? Hang on, wrong thread 😂

[@loganjovanovich3304]

"I wouldn't trust Angron if he swore to me that water was wet." Goddammit I thought we were above this discussion, guys

[@roboky101]

I love that even after everything, Magnus was still pretty loyal. Also, I love how you completely covey Magnus's disregard for Angron. That "So" at the end conveyed EVERYTHING.

[@Frosty4427]

I'm not sure he was being rhetorical. Magnus always wants answers.

[@ivolodar18]

Holly hell. So much strength in Lorgar's words.

[@whitlermountain7198]

The diplomat of the Emperor, sounds incredible.

[@sheakennedy-ordway1156]

It's not strength. Conviction, sure but he's got that charge of unearned confidence. Indulging violence can still weaken a warrior, like a normal man with too much food and drink just in the opposite direction.

[@StoneStraiff]

​@@sheakennedy-ordway1156 No

[@hotcauldron7918]

Yeah, until he hears crow cawking in the distance

[@TheHandofDestiny]

​​@@hotcauldron7918This corax debacle doesn't really make sense, apparently studying and gaining more power is cowardly now

[@KyokujiFGC]

I like how Magnus sounds so much more human and compassionate than the other traitor primarchs. He was one of the few who would never have turned to chaos had circumstances even been slightly different.

[@dantesapprentice4581]

He was one of the kindest primarchs, and no one ever seems to mention that prior to the Heresy, he would use his powers to save lives, sometimes at immense strain to himself. Literally all Emps had to do was tell Magnus, "hey, there's this thing called Chaos, and it's in the Warp, and it has sentient entities who are bad, bad news. Stay away from 'em, no matter what they promise you." That's it. That's all it would have taken, and EVERYTHING could have been avoided.

[@TheRiku57]

"You're not gifted at following advice" is going to be a phrase my friend group says to each other often from now on.

[@andraskovacs5431]

And it's really ironic coming from Mr told to do nothing and did nothing wrong

[@TheRiku57]

@@andraskovacs5431 Council of Nikeia: Mortarion: Psyckers are bad, they’re unpredictable, they are not good. They should be outlawed. Magnus: LET ME RECITE UNTO YOU MY FAVORITE POEM!!!

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

@TheRiku57 mortarion was steeped in dark magic to his nipples and still bashed psykers. he's the last person you should quote as a good example for this kind of thing

[@TheHandofDestiny]

​@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447Mortarion is an outstanding example actually, whether he was steeped in it or not doesn't matter, it's easy to understand why he thinks that and he is right

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

​@@TheHandofDestiny but that's the thjng: he doesn't actually think that way, he only talks that way

[@Hawko1313]

Man... Lorgar is such a dork in motion but so awesome in dialogue. Your voice is amazing for him, amplifies his charisma

[@weeaboobaguette3943]

Lorgar is the Primarch of Yapping after all, so that makes sense.

[@alexbaranowski8949]

The irony of them discussing “changing” when Magnus is soon to be a pawn for the god of change. It’s just too poetic

[@jonahpaley5725]

I think at this point Magnus already is in Tzeentch's hand because this is after Prospero.

[@Pyre]

The sheer conversational tone. That sounds obvious, but between editing and acting, to make them both sound like superhuman beings and just, two men having a talk? That's really damn impressive. And full chills, for Lorgar's last line.

[@bosskaiju4834]

Lorgar, I understand that you wanted you're brother, but frankly I think he would have preferred dying free as a warrior than to live forever as Khorne's imortal slave

[@Firgon72]

Huh. I think I've seen this before, with Angron in the same role

[@raro344]

@@Firgon72 magnus was right, lorgar is really the most like to his father.

[@Silver-Tower]

God damn, Magnus's voice is so good in this.

[@catosicarius3262]

Your Lorgar is awesome

[@leftyleftwing968]

Absolute amazing work here !!

[@servit0r]

why is there no comment here, this was really enjoyable to listen thank you!

[@rodrigor1804]

Amazing

[@mekelwander6551]

And I'm sure Angron is very grateful for saving his life only put a giant brass slave collar around his neck for his new owner.

[@Yggi11]

Holy shit, this is absolutely amazing. Both of them sound great.

[@milotura6828]

your work and voicing is amazing. Your music synchronization is absolutely incredible. Its near Musical.

[@brothercoconut6599]

Wowwww weee these voices are just glorious!

[@hansmuller7859]

10/10 voice acting

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

A brotherly conversation

[@williamtaylor3760]

God, you should be a Black Library voice actor, you made those voices soooo perfect for them

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

i love Magnus so much!

[@GD0nly]

A fantastic reading. Well done.

[@morgant.dulaman8733]

I like Lorgar as a character, but I'm curious: during or after the heresy, did a single person ever ask him "did you go into the Eye looking for gods because you wanted the truth, or because you wanted your father to be wrong?" Keep in mind, I sympathize with Lorgar (in no small part because of *deep* disagreement with the atheistic "Imperial Truth"), but I can't help but notice he seems to have inherited the Emperor's penchant for self-justification, contradiction, and hubris even more so than Fulgrim or Magnus.

[@sheakennedy-ordway1156]

Nah, you hit the nail on the head. It's like the blind leading the blind.

[@ved2360]

Frankly, because he wanted to believe. It's not so uncommon amongst you religious people. If you can't find it from one source, you'll go looking for another and shop around like it's just sweaters you're trying on. Truth never enters into it. Lorgar worships his father first and when that was resoundingly rebuffed, he kept searching for 'the divine.' You cannot conceive of a good outside of your own personal 'spiritual fulfillment.' You'll justify cruelties by higher esoteric goods that only you're able to see because you alone have access to mystical truths that nobody else does. I guess Chaos might be thought of as such. But maybe don't worship the cosmic parasites that demands child sacrifices and death on a massive scale. Spiting Emps certainly was a part of it by the end there, but it was never Lorgar's core motivation. He'd have gone on contentedly worshiping the Emperor as a god had he continued to allow it. I've seen Lorgars by the dozens, of every religious affiliation and converting in every which direction. Whoever wrote him understood quite well how you all think. I'm really tired of talking to religious people demanding I abide by their concept of blasphemy. Much less when they do it on behalf of a religion they don't actually agree with cosmologically nor morally. Come on, don't be a coward. Say it. Lorgar was wrong to worship both the Emperor and the Chaos Gods. Don't weasel around pretending he had a point. We both know you think both those gods are false and that you are more enlightened than he. You do know why you all do that, by the way, right? You cannot blaspheme a religion you disagree with, because to do so would admit that your existences are mutually incompatible and that you could not make mutual civil company with each other. If you're allowed to think _their_ beliefs are unjustifiable, then they're allowed to return the favor. And it certainly opens you up to me. I can already hazard a guess: You have a deeply ingrained bias that makes you believe religion is the source of good. That it exists to improve a man with knowledge of irrefutable moral and cosmic facts. That implies a great many ugly things of rival religions that you think are _wrong._ And it is why you simply cannot say that they are wrong.

[@morgant.dulaman8733]

​@@ved2360 The sad part is all of this was written with the thought it was some kind of own. Perhaps its my fondness for Bronze and Iron age history...perhaps it's my growing conviction that at least some of the "brutal" methods to keep society from indulging in the chaos we see around us today made more sense than we like to believe, maybe its seeing what human beings do to each other for every reason ranging from fear or stung pride to simple amusement, but I'd have to conclude that for the grand majority, religion does not *cause* any great amount of suffering through violence or willful ignorance...it merely provides an excuse, just like you hostility to religion gives you an excuse to put on airs to others, something you already wanted to do. For the most part, its just a reflection of what individuals and what a given society as a whole already believe amalgamated into an organized worlview that explains and justifies it so that society can be organized to a large degree. Or to put it more bluntly, religion is the baked in or self-evident building blocks needed to form a functioning civilization. If you want to challenge this, then make the following two statements make sense in an American or British context devoid of faith: 1. Self-evident truths or "dogma" are fundamentally evil and prevent human progress and all beliefs should be grounded in probable, material reality. 2. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Perhaps that's also why my favorite primarch is Konrad Curze and the Night Lords are tied with the Lamenters for my favorite legion: when you've had a chance to take a good long look at humanity as it is, you eventually conclude that there is no outside force that causes human evil: we do it because we want to. Every human being (including the man in the mirror) is tainted by hubris, self-delusion about how good we are...and just a bit more nastiness than we'd ever like our loved ones to see. One more note, because I'm curious...what would I have to do to you that would bring that monstrous side out? For just about every person who considers life worth living, there has to be something or someone precious that they'd do unspeakable things to protect, because they built their life and identity around it. If I were to find out what that was and then meaningfully threaten it, how long would it take for you to get into the mud with all the other "fanatics" of every faith who fought for what they thought was right? And if you say "nothing," then we really have nothing to talk about, because for any man for which that's true, I'm afraid I consider them domesticated rather than civilized- the difference being a domesticated man is little better than a barbarian in focusing on material advancement and pleasure with no higher purpose, but were a barbarian relies on brute force, a domesticated man relies on the law and lets power think for him rather than using his mental and physical capacity to be an active agent in maintaining and building the world around him, even if its simply being a good citizen, friend, husband, and/or father.

[@warrenweaver6664]

Lorgar is so great

[@aiup5710]

To be honest he saved angron and technically Smurf

[@acethurman71]

U have my headcannon lorgar voice I swear ur work is underrated!

[@matrixtrollmarine]

No fool, you damned him

[@thedaystar1415]

Great video. Im sorry, but what specific song did you use for the first half? Edit: Please ignore the previous section. I found the song. It's Born from Ashes by Eternal Eclipse. You manage to capture the personality, charm, and supernatural beauty these beings would have even in just their voices. Lorgar especially encapsulates this with a deep, but senuous voice, straight out from Fall from Eden. You"ve brought them to life, despite their scale, it felt like two beings actually speaking to each other. When this merged with your excellent song choice it leads to the most amazng moments like the climax to the song at 2:20 - 2:36. This video was nothing less than pure orgasmic cinema. Edit: Okay, I thought there were only 2 songs, but there might be more. Could you please tell me?

[@caseygray2328]

these voices just freaking slap so damn hard

[@samthesuspect]

So is this AI or actual VOs? I'm loving it either way, just if it is VO I want them to get there do respect.

[@RufusJuice]

All done by yours truly. I never have and never will use A.I in my videos.

[@samthesuspect]

@@RufusJuice great job man

[@GobTheSnail]

1:46 "mmm"

[@angryspacemarine6677]

Why does Lorgar look like HotDiggityDemon?😂

[@sheakennedy-ordway1156]

I think we can draw some conclusions.

[@Mr.BednaR]

Which of the traitor primarchs could return to loyalist side? Magnus? Perturabo?

[@sheakennedy-ordway1156]

Both probably. Perty just assumed he was a failure without even trying to question himself. What's one planet destroyed to the imperium? Even his motivation is hand in glove with the emperor's plans, the guy really just needs to do what he wants for a change and stop blindly following. Magnus hates Tzeentch, his sons mostly hate Tzeentch, and it's hardly a leap to see the Alpha Legion is his real favorite. Magnus is the result of a plan seen to it's fruition, and a plan completed is one that has left the schemer's mind.

[@KyokujiFGC]

Mortarion and Magnus are the two most likely, I think. They both turned to chaos because they were in extremely fucked up circumstances, not out of malice, and Magnus tried until the last moment to do the right thing, but fucked up and made the worst decision in each scenario.

[@Mr.BednaR]

@KyokujiFGC ...May I just say...Fck Mortarion

[@shadowgod1797]

well the thing is ahriman was so much different than erebus or kor pheron he was still loyal and much more powerful than them

[@crim1188]

Funny how that describes Magnus and Lorgar as well huh

[@lord_azatoth]

Truth be told, Erebus made thousands times more for Tzinch pleasure than Ahriman ever could

[@MagnusArchitectOfFate]

@@lord_azatothand that’s why Tzeench likes Ahriman infinitely more. His ambition, his pride, his denial of fate and gods - much more… entertaining, than blind faith of Erebus

[@louisnall3102]

Funnily, in a Thousand Sons, Ahriman mentions that he actually likes Erebus, (of course, he didn’t know the truth then)

[@shadowgod1797]

@@louisnall3102 yeah since erebus was an interesting and charismatic character but ahriman now knows it was all his fault

[@jimvenanzio6561]

*Magnus Did Nothing Wrong.*

[@infidelheretic923]

Malcador disagrees. Since his use of sorcery destroyed what the emperor was attempting to do. But he had good intentions.

[@Warmaster2001]

​@@infidelheretic923 his good intention brought him to hell.

[@sheakennedy-ordway1156]

He did plenty wrong.

[@TheWarlock97]

The emperor could’ve told him about the gods and he probably would’ve had a huge Galactic wide crusade similar to the black Templars

[@ryanalamo3851]

Lorgar is my new fav primarch lol

[@NobodyDungeons]

To be fair neither is Magnus.

[@gserhardt]

Voice acting is top notch. The music choice is... not.

[@weirdweaver149]

That is hands down the WORST 40k art i have ever seen.

[@bjrnkristoffersen3758]

He made every primearch that way and people flok to it like its good. Simple cartoony and Disgustingly bad. Love you for hating it too

[@theeternal2734]

​@@bjrnkristoffersen3758 ☝🏻🤓

[@infidelheretic923]

The voice acting was good. But the art for Lorgar is definitely lacking.

[@crim1188]

It isnt bad by any means. Simply not fitting for 40k