The "Bay" Ninja Turtles WHAT WENT WRONG? Part 1 (Everything Wrong With TMNT 2014)

[@THEOLDTURTLEDEN]

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[@joserafaelmesseguer5930]

dude do now when new reboot movie star to filming

[@joserafaelmesseguer5930]

Paramount sey y the production star in this year

[@Ijustbeoverthinking]

You need to do a face reveal

[@joshuasmith6346]

Michael Bay is what went wrong

[@SHADZA4321]

One thing I feel should be mentioned about their designs, is that behind these teenage, mutant turtles. They are ninjas. Ninjas try to keep on light clothing so that they can move better and make less noise while moving. Only turtle I could see with a lot of stuff on is Donee, but even he keeps it light.

[@ShadowBanned-o_O]

Jim Henson and his team absolutely nailed it with their version of the Turtles. Their design was cute but menacing. They brought the comics/cartoons to life. Bay's Michelangelo is creepy asf.

[@mrsticky005]

The turtles looking creepy (but actually being total bros) in the Bay version is the entire point.

[@robbiewalker2831]

@@mrsticky005 Which I can understand, because mutations might not sound good in reality.

[@victor2641]

Because there the most realistic?

[@n.b.l.5709]

So many creative people and talented people came together to make that 90 movie, today can't even duplicate or won't cuz its hard work

[@spifebreadfriend6791]

Yeah he does look a little strange but its realistic so yeah I fucking love it

[@youngmeth87]

The dc injustice game did a much better job on the look of the turtles

[@chriscarrete5303]

Hell yes.. 😁😁👍👍

[@marcorizo1387]

Oh yeah.

[@MrE_]

Yes. Although I do like when they look different from each other

[@justrandom5012]

yeah all the same turtles just different coller the masks

[@shinbakihanma2749]

Well, INJUSTICE 2 merely took the base TMNT designs of the supremely perfect original 1990 film, and altered them as needed, for the game.

[@Shaylok]

The turtles went from five foot six to six foot five.

[@janitrawoodard4769]

Ha, I chuckled

[@Iconhulk]

@Yu Tubaru huh.. no. 4 '6 ? What are they nearly midgets? 5'8 Mikey to 6'0 Raphael

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

@@Iconhulk The very first design of the characters is probably the shortest they've ever been, and they're pretty short. Maybe not 4 feet tall but pretty short when compared to later versions

[@brianharnerultimate9551]

Are you guys dumb? These turtles were buildings

[@theshield8174]

Lamo 😂

[@MC_ToyDawg]

Michael Bay should never be able to recreate beloved childhood classics.

[@LiamH81]

Na this guy talking is that kid

[@chwenhoou]

Bay should never be allowed in Hollywood ever again. Period.

[@jonahpharoah]

damm right...I'm a kid again when it Comes to my turtles, you Can't fuck them up and Im definitley not a fan of these turtles, I just watched the new turtles this year don't like these computerized shell backs lol

[@jonahpharoah]

@@chwenhoou Its just about making a dollar for some people fuck the legacy

[@jonahpharoah]

@@Jason_Belmont You know the producer really runs the show right? Directors are hired.

[@sharonkadach6884]

Surprisingly, this movie was actually my first introduction to the turtles. Well, unless you count some of the old action figures I found in my grandparent’s basement. I was really moved by this portrayal of Raphael, and found him especially relatable. Also I feel like his design was the coolest out of these versions. Of course now that I’ve seen and read many other versions I can honestly say that these Bay movies aren’t very great, but I still enjoy some elements of them

[@Hedghog250]

I was born during the era of the bay turtles so I actually liked these versions of the ninja turtles

[@caseyclemons8368]

What didn't go wrong

[@andremalerba5281]

The elevator scene on the first movie. Just that.

[@caseyclemons8368]

@@andremalerba5281 that was the worst part

[@warhorse5152]

Its Michale Bay’s 2nd Grade writing abilities

[@basedbattledroid3507]

@@andremalerba5281 Yeah that was gold, if only that scene had been longer I would've liked the movie.

[@TravelWithCesarin]

@@andremalerba5281 meh, my favourite scene was when the flashback when they were kids happened. The rest of the movie damn felt like "Transformers" but with turtles. Shredder being Megatron, and Sacks the idiotic agent in the transformers movie.

[@bsh1637]

Something you forgot to mention is that the main focus of the story of the 2014 movie was not at the turtles. In my opinion this film was more focused on April and the turtles felt more like adds on her back story. But again that's just my opinion.

[@thesoccergirl30]

Completely agree. I hated how much we saw April and how little we saw of the turtles. It was one of the reasons I enjoyed the second film more because there were more scened dedicated to the turtles.

[@bsh1637]

Exactly

[@karystmania5509]

Bojidar Belov megan fox as april also made no sense. Its just so jarring.

[@thesoccergirl30]

I'm still curious what it would have been like if Anna Kendrick got the role. But I'm also extremely biased in saying so since I think she's hilarious. I feel like her sense of humor would have matched well with the adult/teen humor. That fart jokes were also a litrle ridiculous. They made the movie pg-13, yet still added jokes for kids?

[@bsh1637]

@@thesoccergirl30 don't forget that nickelodeon are the owners of TMNT. I am still surprised that they allowed DC to do a PG-13 movie with the turtles.

[@robd593]

1990 movie TMNT have never been topped in any medium.

[@Merdicano]

It's not a masterpiece

[@Saltyaf38]

It's a pretty mediocre movie dude. It's not that great. 2007 topped it.

[@Merdicano]

@@Saltyaf38 Same, I will forever love, hold and cherish the 2007 movie, nobody will change my mind, those are the turtles to me

[@Saltyaf38]

@@Merdicano 2007 and 2014 are my favorites. When ever 2007 came on Netflix I would watch it about 7-8 times.

[@Merdicano]

@@Saltyaf38 Same as well, I enjoy them because I think they set up a good solid comic-book tone to turtles

[@Mr3G4m3r]

After watching both bay movies back to back, I definitely feel like the biggest problem is the design of the cgi characters, it feels like a similar situation to the sonic movie but unlike it, the bad designs are what stayed

[@wilhelmtheconquerer6214]

Different bandana types, belts, battle scares, skintones and body types... There's so many slight differences you can have between the turtles while still having the same overall design. The 2003, 2012 and 1990 versions all implemented stuff like that perfectly.

[@stevenslouber4947]

What went wrong? They are the NINJA TURTLES, not the Incredible Hulk. Mutant does not mean turn them into Hulks!

[@phoenixjackson4476]

Steven Slouber They were extremely huge for no reason 😂

[@YChromosome99]

Damn this series to hell.

[@Saltyaf38]

There not even that big dude.

[@Cazz8203]

Why does it fuckin matter ya dumb twat

[@warriorandchildofgod2425]

Exactly

[@jeenkzk5919]

Like most Bay Designs like Transformers, it’s too Busy. Half the time I don’t know what I’m lookin at

[@basedbattledroid3507]

Especially all of the weird clutter on the shells, I like the idea but not the execution.

[@sharpshiell]

yes

[@CJTranceAddiction]

But at least the transformers were box-office smashes unlike the TMNT

[@jonahpharoah]

Right, thats the main reason I don't like transformers its too much going on

[@jermainejones1560]

Facts 🤔

[@joenesvick7043]

What went wrong? Michael Bay was involved, duh 🤣: "An eighteen-wheeler spins out of control and it's all like brosshh! And then this huge tanker full of dynamite - crrshghghhg!"

[@Mia-nu6ev]

I feel like the turtles looked ok because if you were to meet a ninja turtles in real life I doubt they would look like thair old movies but part of the problem was that April had no real relationship with each turtle like for example I really wanted Donnie to have his crush on April or to have kari start to make trouble of some sort . Something I really missed was the friendship between Casey and raph . Maybe I am like this bc growing up I watched the 2007 and 2012 🐢

[@johnathanmyers2107]

If you saw a ninja turtle in real life you doubt how it would look lol. Well I beg to differ and I prefer the original design because they look more like some turtles that just grew into humanoid shapes, which is what they were supposed to be.

[@Mia-nu6ev]

Honestly my opinion hasn’t changed much but I’d like to touch on the subject again. Honestly the turtles themselves were a touchy subject to us fans because we all had different ideas of what version they would be using to inspire character design but again they were probably never planned to look like anything from previous adaptations because they were going for a more gritty look with the human -turtle hybrid being more prominent I can’t say I loved the way they looked but I didn’t hate it mainly thanks to the way each turtles personally was handled in the movie personally I think it was great but it only scratched the surface of who their characters were when it came to overall development.

[@johnathanmyers2107]

@Jake LaGotta that is a good argument though.

[@dawnsoberanis5451]

@Jake LaGotta Are u talking about

[@dawnsoberanis5451]

@Jake LaGotta oh I was talking about Jonathan I think I got the wrong name

[@oblivionsghost7430]

You know I honestly do agree with the whole- "This movie was more April then the turtles" I didn't really like the design's all that much- feel like they could've done better on that front. Though there were things that I liked like I kind of liked Donnie's design- dude looks like a tech hermit and I love it. I feel like if this movie was done today, maybe ya know just maybe they could've gone like a sonic movie route. Keeping a cartoony esc design but adding more realistic esc stuff like fur and what not to it. I honestly think there should be another live action- but done in a similar style in the way sonic was done- I do like the aspect of them belonging to April, because its an interesting story choice. I'm all up from changing things up, like how Rise handled April. Her loud and proud personality really matches the turtles and over all Rise aesthetic. But That's Rise not the bay movie. Thats rise.

[@dokatafrinz1349]

opinion base wise I guess. I prefer a much realistic and bulky design, it makes it more immersive.

[@mikemercury5654]

When I was a kid the TMNT were short like 5'2 to 5'5 now in the Michael Bay movies they look massive.

[@BBBHuey]

Bay was probably afraid that short mutant turtles wouldn't be taken seriously. As if a master ninja the size of a sumo wrestler would look better...

[@fe4rrmart1an87]

Elron why not...

[@jonahpharoah]

shit looks just like transformers

[@sliderx1897]

In the original cartoon they were 4ft

[@Deadbody2rot]

BBBHuey but still they don’t have to be these big ass monsters in that movie but there faces god looks like they sucker punched in the face

[@josephchambers2000]

These turtles got me into the franchise, only for me to discover that pretty much everything except for that weird 90s series was greater.

[@Merdicano]

Certainly?

[@couchgamingnews9379]

Gross

[@chesspunk489]

That weird 90s series > everything else

[@studentebassosebastian1167]

Don't forget the christmas special.

[@gamephreak5]

@@chesspunk489 Eh, I grew up with the 90s series and I love it to death and the games that were based on that, but I think the 2003 series is better just because it's less silly and more serious, and the story and atmosphere are very similar to the OG comics, just with less blood and decapitations.

[@clockstomper]

The first film isn't even a Turtles movie, it's a vanity project for an actress. If you kept Eric Sachs as Shredder, it's 100% an April story. The Turtles getting mutated is a side effect of Sachs killing her parents and Shredder is her enemy (who she gets to kill.) They're just kinda there, her flunky pets.

[@millosanto7820]

It was the introduction in the first one

[@clockstomper]

@tyrone kinard Um, Steve Barron is also European. So a foreign person can make it work, you just gotta love the source material.

[@brandonp.6051]

You give Vapid Fox way too much credit by labeling her an "actress".

[@jaylus1774]

Michael Bay help create transfromers movies not focused on the robots. Its no surprise his ninja turtles movie isnt focused on teenaged mutants

[@allenmacias273]

Same with bays transformers. The humans are the main characters and the transformers are kinda just...there.

[@DJSkandalous]

Thanks for these videos, I stumbled across it by accident but as a 1988 baby, I grew up on the original cartoon and movies. I hated this installment because the origin of shredder was so different and I did not like the way the Turtles looked. They did the same thing with the Power Rangers. I waited years for them to do a new Rangers movie and they botched it by messing with the origins and source material too much. I hope they go back to the original turtles trilogy aesthetics and or perhaps create a Part 4. Even if it was a new reboot I hope it resembles the original movie designs better. If they do it right, I think they could launch a whole mini Ninja Turtle Cinematic Universe. I would love to see a solo movie on Raphael defecting from the Turtles due to not being the leader and having to find his own path, as well as a Shredder origin movie and a Casey Jones movie.

[@Mia-nu6ev]

DJ Skandalous they could never redo the power rangers as much as I love them bc without the o.g cast it won’t be the same

[@Andronicus87]

im a 1982 baby and Michael Bay is a turd IMO...... I am so sick of Hollywood and it's tired tropes. It's dead and needs to just fade away.

[@Dargili]

Yes

[@ianhtexas]

One of my biggest things is the message. 90s movie taught us kids about leadership, anger management, humor, invention, family, honor, protecting the week and fighting for your rights and your freedom to speak, physical fitness lol, and the dangers of evil, feeling lost, revenge, betrayal and redemption ya know. The shell was Bay’s movies about? A little bit of family but mainly like bad mercenaries are bad? Idk man ugh Turtle Power man!!!

[@tonysnyder9]

There were aspects of the movie I liked, they definitely got the character part of the turtles right. I like how they interacted with each other, the bickering/playfulness. And I didn't mind the look (had a bigger issue with splinters look), but agree they were way too big and powerful, especially Ralph. And shredder was way too much. The rewrites and reshoots really messed with him. Again overall I really liked there character moments and growth with the brothers, but bigger isn't always better.

[@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090]

Probably the best summary I've heard for why the film wasn't great that wasn't "Michael Bay can suck my cock."

[@PaperMacheThief13]

I think both movies have fun moments, but neither of them are great. Both movies feature a character having a "growth" moment, but with no build up. So it feels forced. The second movie did clean up the look of the turtles a bit, but man I miss the look of the first 2 live action movies. In the first movie, the turtles feel a bit overpowered in that they only struggle when Shredder is around. But if he's not around, they're unstoppable. The 2nd movie handled that better. And finally, my biggest complaint. I hated Casey Jones in the 2nd movie.

[@MrE_]

It's kinda like the spiderman situation or Fantastic four reboots. Always the same story rehashed instead of doing some of the other storylines from their comics. Origin story, uncle Ben dying, green goblin. Origin story, get powers, dr doom. Origin story, mutation, shredder.

[@electromancer2645]

I agree with this whole comment. That pretty much sums up how I feel about these movies

[@Merdicano]

Have Turtles ever been great?

[@fenrirdarkfangs]

@@shadowban581 y eso que no viste el de la historieta compadre, ese Casey Jones si estaba bien loco, salía gritando ooga booga y mmds así.

[@rnorfor2002]

agree

[@sid6p0int7]

2:31 - As someone that was the target audience during the old TMNT movies (really just the first 2) and the 90's animated series; the elevator scene was the only moment that felt like a true TMNT to me. Remember they are supposed to be teenagers BUT I always felt like they were in their early teens like 13 or 14; energetic, randomly playful, and can be easily distracted at moments. I don't know how you don't see it that way if you were a fan in the 90's.

[@crunchytaco7734]

there was so much that was ruined for me on my love or the turtles. First mistake was hiring Bay, who seemed like he knew nothing about the turtles history. Can’t wait to see your second part on it. I did enjoy the second one more with Bebop and Rocksteady, and i did nerd out with Krang lol. Looking forward to part two.

[@hyenaholicproductions9033]

Megan Fox was the biggest downer for me. It's a reboot, and I can live with changes. What I can't live with is a movie dedicated to displaying Megan Fox's wide range of emotions, from 'Mouth open' to 'Mouth closed'.

[@duhitsabner9922]

The problem was Michael Bay. Should've known when he gave Optimus Prime a mouth.

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

I don't think Optimus having a mouth is like a sin against nature. In fact, the show I grew up watching, Cybertron, had an Optimus with a visible mouth

[@duhitsabner9922]

Leopold Litchenstein losses authenticity. I'm old school like that

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

@@duhitsabner9922 I still don't really have any issues with it, even though I too prefer the face mask if given the choice

[@duhitsabner9922]

Leopold Litchenstein well I own them and everything else they've come up with. I like em but they could've been perfected instead. We shall see how the all red sash turtles come out. That's what I'm looking forward to

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

@@duhitsabner9922 I doubt it will happen, but I would love to see it

[@Saltyaf38]

I like the movies but I can agree there not great. I think shredder should have a personal connection it makes him a better villian.

[@Merdicano]

I still prefer the first one more

[@sharonkadach6884]

Absolutely. All the villains were rally bad in these, though I enjoyed other elements of the film

[@JcgLounge]

INSERTGODZILLANAMEHERE 1 Dear lord Shredder was wasted in both these movies. Great outfit designs yet they shat on his actual character.

[@franklinjones793]

I'd say that I hate the designs. I find the movies as a D+. They are certainly not the worst ever. But I will say, they are not good in my eyes. The turtles aren't giant hulking beasts. What's the point of having weapons if they are bullet proof and can just punch people across the room like the Hulk?

[@thatguynobodywants3716]

What went wrong? Everything!

[@hectordiaz4808]

I was just about to type the same thing

[@marcorizo1387]

Pretty much.

[@DeathReviews]

That Guy Nobody wants They used Michael Bay. Nuff said.

[@jamest4198]

The bay turtles look absolutely terrible.

[@marcorizo1387]

Every movie character that appears in his movie looks off.

[@levithomas2700]

Alot of you are not old to remember when Michael Zulli did issue #31, #35 and #36. His unique perspective on the ninja turtles and art work were fascinating. When the "bay" ninja turtles movie came out, it reminded me of Zulli's design for the turtles. I, as a life long fan since the very first issue of the comic books loved this different look.

[@pyramidhead138]

"You are here because the outside world rejects you." that pretty much sums up MY childhood. now, I didnt go join no gang or nothin' but I was mostly a bedroom dweller if you will. kinda like Celldweller. to put it another way, I grew up in my bedroom so to speak.

[@HELLO-ux3hb]

Same

[@steelscorpion9114]

What went wrong? Well let’s start with the design...

[@victoriaescobedo5458]

HISHE sums it up

[@Prince.Mykal.Vision]

They disrespected the source material, most notably the design of the turtles. That was enough to turn me off to watching this movie.

[@jonahpharoah]

exactly...I think I'm Pissed about that aspect alone,its like his pride got in the way thinking he could make it his own way total disrespect

[@jasonsmith530]

The idea of a cgi/live action turtle movie is a good idea

[@silverblue73]

@@jasonsmith530 if properly implemented, basically you should never be able to tell it's CGI

[@Tampabruh]

This was definitely a one and DONE for me. A horrible remake of an epic franchise!

[@TromaDogg]

And then they vastly overcompensated in Out Of The Shadows by trying to throw in every single memorable character from the original cartoon at once...and then giving them virtually no substance, development, or anything to do.

[@sweetbread4190]

I remember being excited about this when it was announced, my more so as he grew up with it and showed me the 80s show and watched the 2003 together. I remember seeing the look of disappointment on his face when we walked out of the theater for this movie. We didn't bother seeing the sequel.

[@juniorreynoldsiii3131]

Sweet Bread but bebop n' rocksteady

[@screamerlover5781]

You mean your dad?

[@finaltheorygames1781]

Dear video creator, you made some excellent points and I agree with almost everything you said. I've a big 1980's Ninja Turtles fan and this new version just doesn't cut the mustard like the original live action film did.

[@bsperoz]

14:40 And that is why Somic lost his human teeth in HIS reboot...

[@steelstreet3765]

I want to see a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle close to the comic books and close to "Turtle Tracks" the first episode.

[@stephonwilliams4174]

No it’s wasn’t the comic had killing in it

[@stephonwilliams4174]

cowchipsbotme 18

[@TheCapedArtist]

The comics are pretty great, but I personally only really liked the first issue. They should do a movie about that with the personalities and looks of the turtles in the 2003 and 2012 series.

[@MyMiniMovieMagic]

Never watched them and never have any desire of watching those two movies. Which is a bummer because The Ninja Turtles were life back in my childhood. Just makes me appreciate the Masterpiece that is the 1990 Movie more and more.

[@antonialaizure5748]

Honestly, as a life long Turtles fan, I enjoyed the individuality of each brother. I thought it gave them a certain charm, similar to the 2012 designs by not making them all look exactly the same with just different colored bandanas.

[@Tomurashiggybutwithcrust]

Yeah I really enjoyed this movie, I think people be to focused on a movie instead of just enjoying

[@jaihdendover4282]

Me innocently entering video. First thing I hear: You are here because the outside world rejects you.

[@HELLO-ux3hb]

Well I mean..........is he wrong?

[@PinkSoldier2009]

I always thought that they looked more like frogs in the new movie than turtles.

[@YChromosome99]

I cringe whenever I see these monsters. Those ain't my ninja turtles 😡

[@UnitedThrive]

@Lil 210 Kasino whats wrong why the turtles look like the incredible booger hulk

[@jonahpharoah]

😂😂I feel you

[@unknownboi1265]

The designs are awesome.

[@adonaya24y47]

The turtles in tmnt 2014 looks so awful and looks like the Incredible Hulk

[@yomama75]

It’s called realism

[@jaylus1774]

Johnny Knoxville was suprisingly fine as the voice of Leo...

[@KootenaiKing]

I wonder why he didn't come back for 'Out of the Shadows'?

[@psychedashell]

@@KootenaiKing Money. Knoxville was just fine and for 'just fine' it was waaaaay cheaper to pay the CGI actor a bit extra than it was to re-hire Knoxville. They used that extra money to attempt to cash in on Batman with a bow...I mean Green Arrow to play Casey Jones.

[@KootenaiKing]

@@psychedashell lol that guy made casey jones sound like a bitch

[@elplebeuchiha1996]

What. He was Leo? I never knew. Don't at me. I don't like looking up who are voicing characters. (+)

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

@@psychedashell In that case, Pete Ploszek should have just been the voice to begin with. What was the point of having the characters be voiced by their motion capture performers EXCEPT Leonardo? Always felt odd. Plus in the trailer back in 2014 I always remember hearing two different voices for Leonardo in the scene where they interrogate April, (unless I'm mistaken) so I'm guessing they didn't know which one to go with, the production of these movies was such a mess.

[@XXthekingofyouXX]

What went wrong? Michael Bay.

[@OHIO709]

No Michael bay good

[@casual35]

What made the 1990 film great was that it felt like it could have happened. On top of that, the character personalities were perfect and relatable.

[@NoCloutJoey]

Not a huge fan of the Bay Turtle films but I did find the sequel enjoyable when it was focused on the turtles themselves. As dumb as the all-of-a-sudden reveal of Krang was, I was hype at the theatre. But I remember being utterly disappointed in the first film. Left the theatre so disappointed

[@thesoccergirl30]

I loved the live action films!!! I'm still pissed they didn't film the final two films that were promised in the original 4. Were they perfect? Heck no, as much as i loved those two films, there is still a lot that I would change, but I didn't think thr series should be finished completely. Especially when they left concepts hanging in thin air as if they were going to make a following film :/

[@victor2641]

I'm pretty sure it was stated that the third one is coming out on 2023 but it just be another reboot.

[@thesoccergirl30]

@@victor2641 There is a new animated film being made, but there is not a sequel to OOTS. :/ It was scrapped. I really enjoyed the actors and their protrayals of the turtles in these two films. I hope one day someone will give them another chance.

[@gavinlongbottom5901]

@@thesoccergirl30 well the actor for raphael doesnt want another and i think thats the same for most of the cast

[@thesoccergirl30]

@@gavinlongbottom5901 I've heard the same. It infuriated me when I watched him in an interview and he mentioned how the four guys playing the turtles were treated horribly. As much as I would love to see the 4 of them together as the turtles again, it's not worth it if they will be treated that way.

[@King-mg7vy]

The writing, the look of the turtles, casting Megan Fox, Micheal Bay, not getting Kevin Eastman's approval, pick one.

[@brianvalencia7717]

....or Foot Clan TERRORISTS!!!!

[@zilvertron]

Megan fox wasnt bad per se as April, only problem with it was that she only had the sex appeal going for it and that made it uninteresting. And then it was those jokes that just wasnt funny or stuff where they could have putten in some easter eggs, like kinda singing an old intro song and get abrupted by someone saying its too corny, instead of throwing in whats popular today but will be dead and gone tomorrow. Biggest downside is that the best April Oneall was in a porn parody of those live action alternatives

[@King-mg7vy]

zilvertron Yes....and that's probably not her real name, lol.

[@CJTranceAddiction]

Dammit how did they make the movie without Eastman's approval???

[@gutsonthemic5261]

all the above

[@MrLatrunks14]

Michael Bay is hated because of what he did to another 80's iconic franchise that involved 2 races of Robots in disguise by the Hardcore fans of that franchise. The casuals still kept going until Bumblebee came out around the same time as Aquaman and got crushed. I love both TMNT films btw.

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

Bumblebee, for what it was, made a pretty decent amount. It probably wouldn't have done that good whether it was released alongside Aquaman or not though, because Last Knight didn't make as much as the previous sequels anyways, and most audiences probably wrote it off because they were sick of live action Transformers movies, even with the massive nostalgia blast the movie ended up being at points.

[@asherward1589]

Let's be real here. If the turtles were shrunk down in size. Like a LOT of the concept art has them, they'd actually look pretty good. Sure they'd still be covered in too much stuff, but they wouldn't be as notoriously bad I don't think.

[@Aaron_Scissorhands]

"The overall look of the Turtles hurt this movie for sure" The way the Turtles looked has stopped me from watching it to this day. Easy pass.

[@MS1993]

Same lol

[@PrinceTrunks26]

What went wrong? Having Michael Bay as the director nuff said

[@nikdouglas4090]

PrinceTrunks26 if I’m not mistaken he was the producer.

[@brandonp.6051]

He didn't direct. However, I do have to question how much influence he had because it felt like he did. There was so much in both movies that reeked of him.

[@brandonp.6051]

@tyrone kinard I was trying really hard to follow what you were trying to say to me, but MAN, trying to read that nearly gave me a headache. I feel like you were agreeing with me, but it's hard to tell.

[@Merdicano]

He literally said that he wasn't

[@snokoan2]

I hope we get Mr travis knight for the reboot he proved he can make a franchise with bad movies into a good quality film and change people perspective. The man went full g1 with bumblebee and if he is indeed eyed as director you can bet hell make the designs look like the original tmnt looks or the cartoon or perhaps a combination of both

[@joserafaelmesseguer5930]

a what to see actors in costumes like the 90 movie

[@snokoan2]

@@joserafaelmesseguer5930 huh?

[@Vintiqueture]

@@snokoan2 he wants costumed actors back - I'm sure a vast majority of us old school fans do!

[@snokoan2]

@@Vintiqueture trust me travis knight can make them look retro look at bumblebee the movie he made all the transformers look like their 80s look. Fun fact Micheal bay had no involvement in the movie he only produced it

[@parkerpshebnisky1051]

For sure!,I loved bumblebee!!

[@chemicalreaction7788]

I’m on the other side of the fence. I loved these movies. I accepted the change. I wanted the original actress to stay as Karai. I was so excited at the end of the last one. We got Bebop, Casey Jones, Rocksteady, almost got Baxter Stockman mutated. Oh, and we got Krang, with android body. I was hoping the next one would be filled with new mutants. I see nothing wrong with having a hot April. I love the transformers movies too. Thank you for the video

[@Nindroidgamer110]

Am I the only one who absolutely loved these movies to their very core?

[@charles1203]

I grew up with them since the 90’s, I was born in ‘81. You had to appreciate it was a reimagined look, like picture the crypt keeper being all CGI, gigantic, and way darker on the American Horror Story level, I could see it working so lighten up!

[@Ninjara930]

The turtles design was bad I hated that.

[@luka9911]

How else do you imagine them to look like? Cartoon looking?

[@donkeykong4983]

Tsu' Tey like injustice 2

[@richmlvcable]

the TMNT are only meant to be around 5 1/2 ft tall tho.. not giants like in this CG horror

[@thefacelessjoker]

They should removed these nose.

[@chesspunk489]

@@luka9911 that's gotta be one of the dumbest questions I have ever seen.

[@tiogaboyz4487]

This movie could have easily been called the April O'Neil story

[@Cr0ssUP]

(Love your Channel Brother) My main problem with both bay movies was a lack of in depth fight scenes and proper lighting! For one The Ninja Turtles are not pro wrestlers! I felt like i was watching a poorly light WWE TLC Match. The fight scenes were very choatic and I didnt know what to focus because the scenes were all ova the place! But in prior turtles movies the fight scenes was very focused on the subject at hand. And the turtles look like 6'4 aliens making it impossible to be stealthy ninjas! Thats like trying to pass off the Incredible Hulk as a Ninja it's just not gonna fly.

[@n.b.l.5709]

Nailed it

[@russellmurray1636]

Never watched it, the 1990 movie is how I want to remember the Turtles.

[@Shark_StopMotion]

Yes

[@peterfranc6370]

Who decided to give Donatello glasses? I get it: he's the brains, but that's such a cliche.

[@blackphoenix77]

The design is the worst element: they look like four Incredible Hulks instead of Turtles.

[@TeamX105]

I agree

[@TeamX105]

They look like Kung fu panda rejects

[@thesmurfsnerd6502]

I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR A LONG TIME

[@MyHeroMYLIFE]

Believe it or not, I actually liked the movie. It obviously has its share of problems but what adaption doesn't. With that being said, I thought you did a good job on the video. You certainly got a new subscriber! 😀

[@aquasparx4015]

Same

[@oxskull1831]

The only criticism I have is that they’re over dressed, as for their look what the hell did people expect a mutated turtle look like?

[@Kdekalcio]

@@oxskull1831 in my personal opinion, I just don't like the turtles' design because it's not faithful to Eastman and Laird's turtles. The Bay designs would work for me if they weren't the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And the reason the turtles and Splinter look more humanoid in other adaptations is because if I remember right, the ooze was supposed to double the users' growth, double their intellect and in the 1987 cartoon they said it caused the user to take a similar form to the animal they last interacted with (in the case of the turtles, before falling into the sewers they used to be the pets of a human). But that's just my opinion, yours can be different from mine.

[@stonefox9124]

I wanted to like this movie so bad... but no, it sucked, turtles are to big, to over powered, terrible story line, terrible character development. The turtles were awesome cuz they were ninjas... Realistic, here they're just super heroes and Megan was awful... she has so much injected in her face she has ZERO expressions anymore...

[@exploitofdeleted5864]

The original adaptation doesn't have any problems. The Bay movies are shit!

[@YowLife]

I have fond memories of drinking my Blue Raspberry Crush soda, filling out my online homework on my laptop, and entering the codes to receive free tickets for this movie. I took me and my brother to see it, and I liked it.

[@Andronicus87]

Zoomer detected..... work ethic is everything make sure you value adversity and forging your own path in life. DO NOT blame other people for problems you encounter.

[@YowLife]

@@Andronicus87 Kid, I'm older than you.

[@randomwhitedude412]

@@Andronicus87 he wasn’t what are on about?

[@jimmyju76]

I actually like Bays turtles and I'm a tmnt purest, sure they 6ft tall and learned ninjutsu from a pamplet but they were fun to watch

[@jrob4795]

You contradicted yourself.

[@Shiirow]

It may not have been directed by Michael Bay but it may have well been since the guy who did direct it is essentially Michael Bay Lite.

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

I actually recently rewatched these as they faded from my memory for the most part, and while I don't think the first one is as bad as I recall it being, neither are very good. The designs really hurt them in most areas for sure though, they shot themselves in the foot from the start.

[@android131c]

it went wrong not focusing on the Turtles. then they corrected it in part 2, but no one trusted it by then

[@phoenixjackson4476]

android131c Even though that’s true it’s still sad cuz the first one was surprisingly better 😂

[@android131c]

Phoenix Jackson oh I liked Out Of Shadows. it was pretty funny & good to see Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady instead of all these other bullsh*t monsters that stand in. Seemed like a live action episode of 2003 TMNT which I’m good with.

[@sentinelmoonfang]

So diplomatic when it came to the Bay Turtles designs. I usually just sum it up as 'looks like a coat-hanger abortion.' I literally do not think they could have designed more off-putting looking characters if they tried. Like these people really need to have their brains dissected and studied, because it is literally a marvel of the natural world that someone could set out to make something that didn't look like radioactive vomit and somehow ended up with that. It is so abhorrent that when I first saw them, I thought I was looking into the Ark of the Covenant. It was a sight so horrifying mortal eyes weren't meant to behold it. Will Arnett as Vern is about the only good decision anyone made in that entire production.

[@qasperr994]

It only made money because the theaters don't like to give out refunds.

[@BryanLChess]

The fact that they had "Ninja" in the title and hardly any martial arts in the movie is a recipe for failure.

[@itsDjjayyArt]

How they pretty much did martial arts were u blind

[@BryanLChess]

@@itsDjjayyArt Thank you for responding to my post. The gospel that saves us is 1 Cor 15, verses 1-4. Read it and accept Lord Jesus as your savior.

[@beautifulsnorlax506]

The only thing I appreciate of the film is the score composed by Brian Tyler

[@Merdicano]

It was a pretty cool theme

[@tattoodrdoke]

In a nutshell moved too far from the source material.

[@Saltyaf38]

This fan base really dosent like change.

[@tattoodrdoke]

@@Saltyaf38 it doesnt like change teenage mutant ninja turtle are now aliens from outer space. Lets just say the Xmen are from hatched in a lab following gamma ray experimentation. Or maybe hellboy can be from heaven really.

[@Saltyaf38]

@@tattoodrdoke I'm not saying that was a good idea but just in general, if people change the origin the fan base is pissed off. If they mess with the designs, the fan base is pissed off. If they try to make shredder more of a death threat but taking away his personality, the fan base gets pissed.

[@tattoodrdoke]

@@Saltyaf38 fans will always be annoyed. All they have to do is respect the source material. Disney so far have done that with Marvel and it reflects in the numbers and general fan feedback from hardcore to casual.

[@Saltyaf38]

@@tattoodrdoke but then these products get stail. Its nice to take a risk and disney has changed alot of things with the mcu but people like them.

[@MelRetro]

*I'm a Producer. I fund projects and over see their productions to insure their is a profit in the end* *The Producer is basically the Top Boss of any project, because he or she financially funds it.* *So yeah, Michael Bay was in charge of these movies*

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

Michael Bay also produced Bumblebee, which most would say is on the better half of the Transformers films, live action or the animated one, so it really depends on how much the director wants to take influence from the style. Travis Knight went for a more 80s movie ET/Iron Giant esque tone, Johnathan Liebesman probably took more cues from the Transformers movies.

[@omarguerrero3806]

Turning the turtles into giant freaks was one of the first mistakes. Focus on human characters more than the turtles was another. I wonder if we will ever get a sequel that will measure up to the first tmnt movie? 🤔

[@Hinatachan360]

Well, the ooze in the original comic books WAS from outer space. It was created by the Utroms at the TCRI building.

[@Shiirow]

yeah but the turtles in the original comic werent 7 foot mini hulks.

[@Hinatachan360]

@@Shiirow Oh, I know. I like the short version of the TMNT. Making them hulking monsters was pretty ridiculous.

[@joserafaelmesseguer5930]

waithing news for the new reboot movie

[@charlieghague]

As someone born in 1985 and literally grew up infatuated with TMNT, I whole heartedly agree with everything this man says on the channel. Us TMNT purists know what's up!

[@TheKillerEmcee]

You really shouldn't be proud to be a purist

[@TwistedG938]

Bro get out of your moms basement 😭😭

[@charlieghague]

@@TwistedG938 Wow. A totally unoriginal comment that makes absolutely no sense. Did you come up with that yourself?

[@charlieghague]

@@TheKillerEmcee Your mom seems to like it.

[@TheKillerEmcee]

@@charlieghague didn't you already make a reply mocking unoriginal insults? 🤔

[@MadaraUchiha-bh4vl]

I'm a huge fan of TMNT, its my childhood 100%. But I love this new look for them! Doesn't make me any less of a fan! I just think they look waaaaayyy cooler! They're amazing! Big, dressed really cool, individually styled. It's beautiful

[@saveourplanet0139]

I agree. The original turtles look more friendly too! They even look cute in places. Do you think cute when you look at Michael Bay's turtles up close?... Yeah... Right... That's what I thought. The TMNTs are supposed to be appealing to little kids! They should have some cute aspects to them!

[@brianharnerultimate9551]

My nephew and I were having nightmares after watching Michael Bay's tmnt

[@siluxkhan6544]

As a huge Ninja turtles fan I really loved the 2014 Ninja turtles movie & it's sequel. I thought both of them were so awesome!! The only thing I didn't like about it was that they changed the story. I didn't like how the turtles were April's pets.

[@justinratcliffe947]

Silux Khan Glad to see nobody has given you crap over loving them yet

[@siluxkhan6544]

@@justinratcliffe947 when are we going to exchange numbers bro? We should hurry up & do it so we could text each other instead of talking on here.

[@justinratcliffe947]

Silux Khan Idk I mean Im just not ready for us to talk orally. Id rather us meet in person before that. Besides Im in a rough patch in my life now. Plus there are some things about me you might not find too comfortable with. I just want to get the rest of this really nasty ass year and decade over with.

[@siluxkhan6544]

@@justinratcliffe947 there are some things about me that you might not be to comfortable with either. We all have that

[@ZinalaG59]

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[@jamesoblivion]

"Uncertainty was a feeling I feel best describes my feelings...." Yes, but how did you FEEL?

[@plaguedoctorravennotscp0496]

*This whole time I thought this was actually a Michael Bay movie*

[@Primetime-te7jx]

I actually really like the designs of the turtles. I like how Raphael had a brawlers body type

[@blinkenschnaag777]

Shrek and Jar Jar Binks are brothers?😂 Teenage Bulky Wrestler Turtles🤣

[@stefanurquelle4303]

What went wrong - they look like Mucinex boogers - the end. There I saved you the time.

[@fenrirdarkfangs]

The looks aren't that bad, one can get used to it, but the story, the script, the dialogue were shity as hell; the worst part for me was Megan Fox...

[@dylanmijer2890]

fenrirdarkfangs exactly, they looked real, casting Megan fox ruined the movie, in my personal opinion she cannot act.

[@Merdicano]

@@fenrirdarkfangs Better than most woke content nowadays

[@Merdicano]

@@dylanmijer2890 At least not as controversial as Brie Larson or Jennifer Lawrence

[@Merdicano]

@@dylanmijer2890 At least she care about playing April than Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique who went there for a paycheck

[@matthewvu1088]

my favourite scene was the Victoria Secret poster on top of the building with Raph and Mikey

[@GamerToons]

"This is tricky to talk about" No it isn't... it fucking sucked.

[@ilBUZZo]

13:08 what's the name of the awesome metal background music?

[@brandname6]

Oh man , i had that turtle towel as a 4 year old. I remember being so enthralled by it. Thanks for causing me remember that. Now i have a 4 year old, and see that same joy in him! What a total Amelie moment

[@Rager_216]

What If We Got Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles?!

[@Rager_216]

@tyrone kinard Yep

[@it1100]

ULTRA AVENGER I would hunt down the wise guys who made them and crush their bones.......... Casey Jones is dead serious.

[@dekudino2672]

Aw fucc yeah let's go watch some *T . A . N . T.*

[@SPac316]

Yeah, not to forget those stupid glasses they put on Donatello. I mean, really? Broken glasses held with tap? I doubt even the biggest nerds these days do that. The fact that they think that since Donny is the smart guy, they give him glasses and other crap on him. It's a ignorant stereotype that out of touch baby-boomers would think. That design choice, among others, were the reasons why I blacklisted these movies.

[@brandonp.6051]

It's been a long time since I suffered through these movies, but aside from the Urkel glasses, didn't they make him snort when he laughs and if I remember correctly, there was a throwaway line about him having a retainer? But that's Michael Bay and his over-the-top cliche stereotypes that he thinks are SO hilarious. Besides, how else were we supposed to know that he was the smart one unless he hammered it home?

[@mrfixitishere]

My take on the bay tmnt. Is that people on the staff obviously loved the tmnt. But the higher ups just were in it for the money and they shit all over those fans work. The art direction also just killed the movie for most of the fan base. An finally they wernt ninjas they were the bay transformers gimmicks.

They were transformers? How? Stfu that makes 0 sense

[@behindthescenesphotos5133]

At least we weren't shamed by the filmmakers and media for not liking it.

[@captaincrunch784]

I loved how Krang was on the mural in Sachs office and that was NOT explained.

[@madamefluffy4788]

Weirdly enough, I liked the design of the Bay Turtles - for the most part. However, for being ninjas (who's main attribute is to be silent), their chosen attire would be entirely too noisy (especially Donetello, with all his doo dads and gadgets hanging from his shell).

[@JoJo-ir8wo]

I liked the design of the turtles just wished they were a bit smaller. I think where this movie misses is character depth with the turtles, splinter and shredder. It felt like they focused more on human character instead of flushing out the story of the turtles, and there was no mention of Hamato Yoshi

[@3thosmusic22]

To be honest I liked the sequel better than then first

[@BHStudios01]

Ethan Conner Agreed. I honestly really wanted to hate the Bay-verse turtles, but they kiiiiinda became a guilty pleasure. Moreso with the second movie, because Donnie got some love in it.

[@omacktube]

When u add krang, bebop, rocksteady and casey jones shit is gonna be better.

[@BBBHuey]

@@omacktube Plus, they did use the 87 TMNT theme song during the credits ^^

[@carlosvelez9079]

Bro really appreciate your content.

[@irishtyrant4532]

I thought it was a fresh modern take on the world but the original film design can NEVER be topped