Lost Ark | Remaining Energy or Surge (In-depth Comparison) for NA/EU

[@orlylooli]

You left out that bosses are programmed to disappear once you reach 16 stacks and appear 0.1 second before your surge is about to run out.

[@kimmothy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA FACTS

[@davidhickey8613]

this is honestly the most frustrating part of playing surge. If your dmg window is up and a boss become invulnerable, its basically like you did nothing for the last 30 seconds.

[@Whatitiswhatsup]

This why my experience in valtan last night. 20 stacks is fking despair. If 14 stacks was still viable, ZERO issue.

[@eddiewinchester3272]

@@Whatitiswhatsup in KR they sort of just do 14 stacks and then 0 stack and use stimulant

[@2oe.9]

@@Whatitiswhatsup how come ? It's so much easy for me

[@yuandi5965]

Thank you so much for making these videos! I always wanted to get more information about surge from other regions after the new patch. I watched a lot of videos talking about surge is rip or doing a poor comparison between RE and surge. I feel like they didn’t actually play surge before they made the conclusion. I really like your videos and I really appreciate the time and effort you put in making videos. Surge is my main and will always be. Btw I was amazed by the Samurai set from the campaign. Hopefully we could get that set in game!

[@StephanMusic]

Surge for life.. idc if they "nerfed" us.. you still hit harder and its harder to play.

[@ಥ_ಥ-ಧ4ಲ]

dunno about harder to play :D we just need to hit 1 skill while we spam brainless the other skills , we could mess up RE rota order and not fill enough orbs ( stuck at 2 orbs with all skills cooldown) which is also a huge dps loss

[@kaiririri1339]

Fucking true, i did valtan hard and at 1447 and was cruel fighter

[@forsaturn4629]

You hit harder yes, but RE hit faster. So overall they're both balanced, its only what playstyle you prefer, burst damage or constant damage. Its just that Surge now is risky

[@solo_1427]

@@ಥ_ಥ-ಧ4ಲ with high spec and runes i dont think its even possible to mess up lol unless you try to

[@todorasmih7791]

@@ಥ_ಥ-ಧ4ಲ as he mentions he didnt have void strike proper tripods, but you didnt get that...void strike gives you almost 2orbs, so your point is wrong

[@davidhickey8613]

I really want to see someone do a DPS test on a boss that is moving and becoming invulnerable. Yes in the training room surge has higher dps, but can someone please do an effective dps test on a mobile boss/Guardian?

[@onik649]

that'll be super specific since it'll just be a video of their skills and some luck instead of pure dps. u can get 600m dps cause of ur skill lvl and I can get 1b so it depends on the user and experience

[@DiogoSilva-uq2so]

You can make an unbiased test on that same scarecrow boss by just replicating this test but doing a whole other set of testing while hitting the face of the boss instead of the back. Then add both of the averages for an effective average DPS on bosses (50% of hits being backattacks is generous towards the lower end, you’ll probably be chasing ass and getting about 60-80% of your hits on the back, depending on your skill, but it’s less back biased testing like the one in the video). This is also nice to check differences between positional engravings such as master brawler or master of ambush and other generic engravings like adrenaline

[@invis8474]

well, i mean ofc surge dps is gonna be way higher in a vacuum. difference is, RE doesnt have time managment by not having to build stacks and therefor doesnt benefit from vacuum scenario as much. ty for the tests tho, very interesting to look at

[@ManiX207]

hmm i would say it has some sort of time managmetn but its way more forgiving ... thgen agian .. you get useless as soon as you dont have the buff up ^^.. i know you dont do shizz if oyu land your surge hit into the teleportingbosss ... since you feck up the cool downs and thus the rotation dont be working anymore XD

[@ithaloandre]

Great video, thanks for the tests ♡

[@kittehking9101]

have you seen the dps from other youtuber named yolade ? what do you think about his dps test ?

[@kimmothy]

Yep! Someone did link it to me. His dps tests between the two engravings turned out to be quite similar. The only thing I can comment is that he used 9 surges in 2 minute window due to a 20 stack playstyle, i got 10 surges using a 17-20 stack playstyle. His engravings for surge arent ideal, his extra 1 engraving is ether predator (time reliant) when compared to his RE engravings which are more fully DPS orientated. I would have rather run cursed doll 3 instead of adren 3 and changed ether predator 1 to adren 1. BUT, everyone plays differently and I'm sure he's an experienced enough deathblade to understand too! Won't comment too much else about it haha, hope that gives you some insight

[@kittehking9101]

@@kimmothy wow i didn‘t expect this fully detailed explanation, much appreciated :D. i think i know how to play blade now, use re for new content and surge after being comfortable with the mechanic. I dont know how it works out with tripod and gems tho.

[@QuiVirOdiosus]

yolade is just a better and more knowledgable player overall. This video showcases the worst way to play RE (waiting for maelstrom before starting lower cd with cast time, like blitz rush. holding down sonic every rotation, hitting earth cleaver when other skills are already off cd, cursed doll on RE instead of kbw, no adren when you're at 40% crit rate) This guy will say that his yolade's engravings aren't ideal. But that's literally what you will run as surge at 5x3 1x1, for both spec. CD 3 instead of adren 3 is an absolute dent take, since surge now grants you quite a huge amount of AP at level 3 surge, so the AP from CD is diminished. Just don't listen to this guy in general. Refer to yolade for your info for blade. He's much more thorough and smarter. the main reason surge got nerfed is because it in fact does not have a higher performance requirement than RE(outside of vykas) and it does way more damage.

[@amm2025]

@@QuiVirOdiosus man this is a really disrespectful comment. Both content creators are clearly skilled players. Instead of recommending one creator over another, why not just watch them both? They have done tests with different stats, engravings, and gems. Players have options when considering their builds and the different videos showcase different options you have. If you are really dissatisfied with the effort put into the video and don’t think the results are accurate enough for your liking, just go test it yourself. No reason to hate on a well made video that had a lot of effort put into it.

[@randy-ls4jx]

@@QuiVirOdiosus "CD 3 instead of adren 3 is an absolute dent take, since surge now grants you quite a huge amount of AP at level 3 surge, so the AP from CD is diminished." This is false. Both remaining energy and surge AP buffs are multiplicative with other normally additive AP engravings such as cursed doll and adrenaline. You can confirm this in trixion. With CD3 and Surge 3, your AP will be 1.74x base AP at 20 stacks. You get 1.5x AP from 20 stack surge, 1.16x from Cursed doll. 1.5x1.16 = 1.74

[@Toboe89]

Kimmothy, you deserve way more Subs man. I watched Yolades Surge vs RE Comparison yesterday but i felt, that his Surge Testing wasnt good though. You instead go much more into detail when its about Graphs etc. As much as i like you both equally, i must say you did a far better Comparison. Thanks for all the effort you put in. Another Question: Do you know if there would be an DR (Dimishing Return) we could hit with KBW and Entropy Set? Cause both give an huge amount of Crit DMG.

[@kimmothy]

Hi! Im not sure what DR stands for but entropy gives alot of crit damage and thats why I dont recommend KBW at 5x3 engravings, only at 5x3+1 (which is really the standard at ancient accessories - 1540). If you choose to run KBW weapon before that, depending on your crit stat you might have to invest in a crit ring as you wont even have crit from the bracelet (not in NA/EU atm, which will obviously lower surge damage) Edit: Yes there will be DR with entropy and KBW with the current available gear in NA/EU

[@patrickgutierrez8436]

I use low CD skills in RE and it feels a lot better, you can hit the surge and actually have something to keep doing some damage, and not all your skills have 30s cooldown. Also idk if someone noticed but RE gets 6% more extra attack power than Surge when you hit your surge, so if you get engraiving that increase attack power you get even more.

[@2oe.9]

Surge with 3 orbs reduce cd of skills by 50% so you won't wait that much, but if i wanted to try RE i'd only just for fast playstyle

[@MrStormShield]

Thanks Kimmothy for thеse great videos. Time to improve that deathblade gameplay.

[@krislion65]

surge does more dmg when you know the fight and patterns. if u want big numbers when you're on farm it is better. RE is more consistent and less punishing when you mess up, so on progress it will always be better

[@noelcovarrubias7490]

Yeah, because it's easier to pull off. In my experience, Remaining Energy is kinda boring compared to Surge. But to each their own, I just like playing things that aren't easy to master

[@tkp4787]

Please tell me what server you play on where RE books are more expensive than surge I have never once seen that plus surge books have always been the top 3 most expensive books along with grudge

[@Sarah-dq2oe]

Just the video i needed thanks Kimmothy

[@kcai567]

I think using adrenaline over cursed doll for RE and putting soul absorber in maelstrom and using moonlight sonic every other combo would make the damage numbers closer. Just adrenaline alone should close up the damage by a decent amount since it looks like you had 40% crit rate in the video.

[@kimmothy]

Thanks for bringing this up! I really did try and push the damage of RE as much as possible. I already tried doing moonlight sonic in every other combo but it barely made a difference. So for the sake of consistency of testing I just did it every cycle. I chose cursed doll over adrenaline because I honestly think that a consistent 16% AP increase is more reliant for a consistent DPS build. But yet again I tested a 333321 with (2 adrenaline, 1 RE) to test but yet again, barely a difference.

[@zap7737]

You can't take out Maelstrom in high end game content. That's literally trolling, if you remove your party synergy.

[@kcai567]

@@kimmothy I think moonlight sonic made a small difference for me since I have worse cd gems but adrenaline not making a difference surprises me. I did some testing of my own comparing adrenaline 3 and cursed doll 3 and found that adrenaline was about 4% more damage and i'd imagine that would go up with the entropy set. I guess in later encounters it might be harder keep up adrenaline stacks but on paper shouldn't adrenaline just be strictly better and more consistent rng?

[@ಥ_ಥ-ಧ4ಲ]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/emWqkoiZZZd_Z5o here is another test

[@BattousaiHBr]

@@kcai567 do note that adrenaline does fall off a lot when doing boss mechanics. try recording yourself during challenging content and pay attention to how often you lose the adrenaline stacks. so just like how surge does way more damage in a training dummy, real world scenarios the actual numbers are way closer to each other. the same is likely true for adrenaline and cursed doll.

[@d3vilmaycry25]

I don't get it, why not build both?

[@honedslash968]

There is something i really don't understand. Why in KR you don't pre-cast windcut before entering the trance to start stacking right away and then cast it again? I'm quite sure everyone know this, but i can't grasp the reason of why it's not used.

[@kimmothy]

I can't speak for others but for me, I find it clunky and I dont need the pre-cast windcut to deal the stacks I'm aiming for regardless~

[@honedslash968]

@@kimmothy I see, that's fair enough, But let's say (i'm just speaking of hyphotesis since I started the game with the EU release and i'm not knowledgeable as you) that if you play for a 17 stack rotation, isn't that pre-casted windcut enough to get to 20 stack with the same exact rotation granting you a more stronger Surge? Even tho, thruth be told, you will unluckly be able to do a clean rotation on a raid regardless.

[@kimmothy]

Yep! I guess it can kind of work as some form of insurance regarding stacks. If that playstyle helps you I will never tell you not to play it. Do what helps you succeed! Like I said, I just find it clunky my self

[@honedslash968]

@@kimmothy I will try then, thanks for the help!

[@bigdna5561]

very lit video i have learned a lot.

[@thiagorocha6117]

I switched to RE yesterday. I was not having fun with the new surge. The surge with 12/14 stacks after rotation than maelstron + soul absorb for full 3 orbs was so smooth and felt amazing. I feel like surge blade lost her identity as an assassin

[@lordobvious6655]

100% Same, the 14 stack rotation felt like how it was intended to play, having downtime to get 20 stacks just feels clunky overall

[@EdrielJeymz]

I might have been trolling but I played 20 stack surge since na release not knowing meta was 14 stacks. I’ve never had a problem with cooldowns as soon as I finished a full rotation other skills were up so it was smooth. Meanwhile my current re build has like a 1 second delay on cooldowns . I’m mvping much less

[@samzizle8]

just get good lol

[@lunekoni]

Hey kimmothy, thanks for the great videos! I like deathblade alot, currently making my own. This might be off the topic but im having trouble finding a good skin color. Can u share the rgb of yours? i like the tan of your character and it doesnt look pink X,D

[@deathdealerhype7819]

Do you have a full build on one of your videos? engravings/skills? Trying to figure out how to get my DB right. Im a surge player but man im struggling with my set up.

[@kimmothy]

Yep! My surge guide is in the description. 1 small change, the tripod dark charge can be taken now in blitz rush if you are okay with the risk vs reward of it (3 stacks instead of 1 but needa be closer to boss)

[@valraukardso7117]

Saw a video of yolade in which he tests re vs surge and in endgame he made more dps with RE in testing room.

[@amm2025]

In Yolade’s videos for surge one of his accessories is crit instead of spec

[@valraukardso7117]

@@amm2025 yeah in korea they get so high spec you can easily run a crit item as surge as well

[@deadfish5227]

Kimmothy, do you know if dark bomb/support damage buff works on thirain sidereal? Also, have you seen Yolade's video comparing surge/re? In his video, it shows that RE does higher/comparable damage to surge. His setting/builds are a bit different from yours though. If I can 17 stack consistently is it better than 20 stacking due to more surges? Thank you in advance! Love your videos. Surge4life gamers unite! Just cleared hard valtan after 15 hours :D

[@kimmothy]

Congrats on the clear! From what I know support buffs dont work on sidereal skills. Yolade's video I've already commented on somewhere here as well~

[@justmayopls6803]

Hi Kimmothy! For RE on NA/EU do you recommend cursed doll vs adrenaline for 5th engraving? Rest is RE/Grudge/Supercharge/Ambush master

[@kimmothy]

Cursed doll! If you are running RE1, you can run adrenaline 2 though

[@justmayopls6803]

@@kimmothy People tell me the crit will not be high enough since we dont have lv 3 gear bonus and bracelet, is that true?

[@dragalialost7345]

I didn't even feel the surge nerf.

[@gaetanherry]

You always played full specialization. I try using an equipment that will have crit instead of specialization, do you have an idea how different the damage is compared to full specialization and only the necklace with crit?

[@kimmothy]

The damage difference will be much lower.. spec increases your surge damage and by investing all into crit isnt recommended sir. Dont forget that you get crit from entropy set, adrenaline, party synergy and back attacks naturally anyway!

[@Kenthos7]

Thank you for another awesome video! As a fellow Surge player from NA/EU/SA, you're my go-to content creator for DB videos, even more when it comes to Surge. I have one question tho, I'm transitioning to Relic now and I got somewhat lucky and managed to cut a 7/7/3 Grudge/Adrenaline Stone after quite a lot of attempts and gold lol, but now I'm wondering if I made a good choice in the engravings of the stone since both Grudge & Adrenaline 5/3 accessories are very expensive. Thanks again!

[@kimmothy]

77 grudge adrenaline is really good choice tbh (provided its a relic stone). Stick with it, wait for relic accessory prices to drop a bit and use it. Expect the market prices to be high for some time just because it is still quite early!

[@paulosilva-tz8el]

u dont use keen blunt with surge?

[@kimmothy]

Not until ancient

[@josea.3184]

Rlly nice video thx for it, best 5x3 engraving setup at 1490 RE please?

[@kimmothy]

Gru, re, cursed doll, master ambush, super charge imo

[@josea.3184]

@@kimmothy i was wondering if adrenaline could be better but after testing it, im going with your setup! thanks for all the tips!

[@hanzeidk6767]

Kimmothy, thank you for your videos. I love ur surge guide. do u know how well surge performs in later raid compared to other classes? especially with relic or ancient gear. some of my guildmates play scrapper or wardancer and they outperform my blade by 300k to 500k dps in 2 minutes trixion after nerf. we are all similarly equipped. 1445, +20weapon, 4x3 engravings and lvl 7 gems.

[@kimmothy]

In later raids its really about how much you know the raid itself because depending on you as a player, any class can out dps any class. So just understand your class in and out + boss mechanics and youll be fine

[@bigril5483]

What is your opinion on Mass Increase on Surge? I am currently playing with Grudge 3 Ambush 3 Adrenaline 3 and Surge 3, would like to add Keen or Cursed doll but they are super costly right now. If Mass Increase is viable, that would actually save me tons of gold lol.

[@kimmothy]

Mass increase and cursed both give AP, but I usually dont recomment mass increase as it makes stacking slower and the release of your surge skill slower as well (meaning the boss now has a higher chance to turn as you use it).. I do know some people that use it so if you personally are ok with it, then its fine! It all depends on if u can make it work since both give AP

[@PixelPerfectBlade]

ii don't care about meta i like serge so much i won't change

[@pietrocaruso5525]

What kind of sets (valtan hard/normal) a surge deathblade should use?

[@kimmothy]

Always entropy (death set)

[@emti29]

Do you use dark dimension or dark explosion for surge?

[@kimmothy]

Dimension! (The one that you can just tap and not hold for instant orb gauge)

[@TrueKadett]

U had 6x 3 engravings at the start of re dps test didn’t you?

[@kimmothy]

Both tests had the extra "max mana increase" engraving to account for the mana recovery supports would give in parties

[@TrueKadett]

@@kimmothy oh okay thanks, now I got it ☺️👌

[@user-fq1ze5ze2z]

Hey Kimmothy Senpai Big Fan! I have a question that's been bothering me for awhile and I need your advice on it. I'm currently ilvl 1445 and want to run "SuperCharge" Engraving with "Dark Explosion" on Void Strike as a Surge Deathblade simply because I enjoy the "Re-surge" play style. Do you think its viable and what do you think of my end game Engraving setup being " Surge 3; Grudge 3; SuperCharge 3; Ambush3; and Keen Blunt 3". Here I am skipping Adrenaline for SuperCharge this will hurt in terms of overall DPS but it just feels sooooo muchhhhhh Smoother in terms of game play. Kent Blunt over Curse Dull because someone did some maths saying the difference in terms of dps between those 2 engravings is just a mere "1%", plus you don't get the CurseDoll healing Penalty. Your advice is needed senpai at your utter most convenience only. From Your fellow #DieHardSurgeDB grasshopper

[@kimmothy]

If you are running surge I really do recommend dark dimension HAHAHA.. the point of surge is to maximize the surge damage and going super charge wont do anything for it. But if you know that and are willing to run the engraving then go ahead sir! I would run cursed doll over keen blunt because once you finish your entropy set, the crit dmg from it and keen blunt will stack requiring you to have more crit in order to hit its breakeven point.... I wouldn't run keen blunt until relic accessories to be honest

[@user-fq1ze5ze2z]

@@kimmothy Thank you Senpai very appreciate your words of wisdom!

[@Halloween1988]

Guys is it in to ok to use Super Charge as 5 engraving on surge ?? I use the 4 standard surge 3 grudge 3 ambush 3 Adrenaline 3. thanks

[@kimmothy]

Its not optimal! Since most of your damage comes from surge itself, it would be better to have cursed doll instead there

[@Saetun.]

A week into surge played RE since NA lunch. tried to go back to RE last night & found its just not as fun for me anymore. Surge is more fun for me so surge it is but will keep the RE build for clearing aoe

[@williamfan6646]

How come people don't use moonlight sonic surge build? Seems like easy 3 stacks and decent dmg

[@kimmothy]

I mentioned the moonlight surge build in my other guide videos! I use void personally as an orb gauge insurance

[@kai-xuanyao4666]

Which skill do you replace tho, earth cleaver? You need it for stagger and weakpoint. The other skills are mandatory as well.

[@jmbacayo9196]

@@kai-xuanyao4666 windcut can be replaced with moonlight sonic the difference between the two is that moonlight deals slightly more but you are in a static position while windcut can be placed around the boss and maximizes rotation same 3 stacks

[@jmbacayo9196]

both are good skills btw it really comes when what style you are used to

[@kai-xuanyao4666]

@@jmbacayo9196 The real difference is windcut can be used twice or even three times in a rotation while moonlight only once... You're going to struggle to get to 20 stacks if you don't take windcut.

[@Gontzlol]

Did valtan HM for the first time as surge was kinda horrible since he jumps away / phase shifts / immunes alot. im not giving up tho i just have to get better.

[@zombdale]

u could just click on skills the checkbox so we will see all skills without scrolling

[@holyk3333]

Is it just for me or in KR to get 20 stacks it is more faster than in NA/EU currently? in some KR videos I see deathblades surge take 20 stacks much faster than in NA/EU with the same skill build

[@vincent1170]

It was the case before the valtan update in NA/EU. The western version had a bug with maelstrom that it only giving 1 stack, where as in KR each tick gives you 1 stack. This has been fixed along with the surge nerf.

[@tsksalavisa4122]

Hey you brother , where is that skin from?

[@kimmothy]

Its a preppy line from KR~

[@beybattler1]

can i have your deathblade preset?? as in the face preset :OO

[@Marf69Marf69]

Great video, I personally love surge so much and with Valtan out I am finally able to learn what it's like in end game raids. Im excited to play surge in more legion raids as they release because as I am learning the raid and familiarizing with the patterns, I find the importance of dps windows and managing a full set of orbs for that window. It's soo much fun seeing myself improve not only in the raid itself but my playstyle and with surge! Even though my build isnt huge damage skills, I abuse the fact of multiple ticks to fill that stack per .4second rule and get 20 stacks fairly quickly given the situations. Excited for future videos!

[@carsonlowkii9738]

Wait until vykas gate 3, majority of surge players switched after that interaction in KR

[@REIwAlexY]

great comparision but id love to see more in action type dps because THAT is where i think surge struggles a LOT LOT more than RE. everyone knows surge does insane dmg on stationary target where u can always back attack and always land your surge. that environment is the best-case scenario for surge. but RE is much simpler in terms of dummy dps and ESPECIALLY actual fights where need dodge stuff, boss teleports, invuln phases, etc etc. it's like the difference between paper number and actual irl performance. for example, i think something like a guardian raid solo where u kill a few times with each build and then compare would be MUCH more informative. fun aside, imo i think a person should only use surge if it does INSANELY more dmg than RE, not just a bit more. and I mean actual dps not dummy as the whole con of surge is actually having time to dps enemies in the back and landing the surge every single time. if want to do test via dummy, I think I personally would need to see like 50% more dmg on surge for me to consider playing it

[@kimmothy]

I love the idea bro! I'll record a couple of legion raids regarding this in my next weekly reset. Regarding playing surge for damage, you should play the engraving that fits you better, its why I made 4 criterias within this video. Cuz imo if you are a "more damage engraving player" its a bit meta chasing

[@REIwAlexY]

@@kimmothy that would be awesome! And great pt. Everyone plays with different goals, time availabilities, and interests. Since I'm new player, I def prefer RE currently as its much simpler which allows me focus more on learning more even if doing like less dmg bc as we all know, u don't do dmg when dead xD. But I can totally see myself one day really enjoying the bustier surge playstyle when I know the bosses like back of my hand and the complexity difference shrinks a lot. Bc if they did very similar total dmg over long period of time and were somehow closer to similar difficulty, I'd def pick surge gameplaywise for the burst. Keep up the good work! Your videos are all nice and detailed and you can really see your genuine love for db through them

[@andrius00911]

RE : dmg ratio 50% surge + 50% abilities. Easy to synergize with teammates to deal more damage with surge. Surge: dmg ratio 66% surge + 33% abilities. However you have like 10s window to use surge. Very easy to miss: not enough stacks, boss stagger you, boss becomes invulnerable. I was using surge but after hitting 1340 fighting against Corrupted Albion and surge nerf made me switch to RE.

[@zap7737]

Cringe comment.

[@mejuliie]

@@zap7737 actually not. it is a valid concern regarding these stationary dps tests. they show you what a class can do in an ideal situation, but rarely reflect reality. surge number are still higher, but it has become much harder to hit these high numbers consistently with the patch. it's always been a high risk/high reward engraving, with remaining energy just providing more reliable dps (mind you, it still hurt when you miss the burst regardless of engraving). but now, you get much less reward as you are locked in a 20stack cycle and this is often difficult to achieve consistently with agile bosses.

[@francysfigueiredo5484]

Surge keeping much much and much more fun than RE. Surge need more playerskills.

[@artisanblack9898]

This video is straight fire 🔥

[@kimmothy]

HUH do you even play the game

[@artisanblack9898]

@@kimmothy Soon!

[@gabrielvictor9670]

I think re it's better because the surge risk doesn't compensate anymore, because before you filled 2 orbs with 14 stacks and today you don't fill it like this, always forcing you to drop the 20 stack combo but making a greater risk of dying in raids to getting a back attack surge. I switched builds recently and I feel like I'm damage more damage (1430ilvl,re 3 , grudge 3 , cursed doll 3 , supercharge 3,adrenaline 1)

[@kimmothy]

Yeah the risks are much more than before now for sure! There is no correct playstyle, only one that will fit you and make you do more DPS HAHA, if you like RE go RE all the way broo

[@Zuuwu1]

I think a main surge (you) should do surge test and a main RE should do a proper RE test since you obviously cannot play RE optimally

[@Skycerer]

You don't need to be a main for play RE optimally man.

[@tkp4787]

Yeah RE is good as a alt. It’s so easy and about the same level of easy as a control glavier

[@Zuuwu1]

@@tkp4787 i find surge a ton easier to play i have 3 dbs and the surge one i fall asleep and mvp just piano 20 stacks press 1 button very simple and boring

[@Skycerer]

@@Zuuwu1 Ilvl?

[@Zuuwu1]

@@Skycerer 1515 main and 3 1490 dbs

[@Mihael_Keehl31]

Well, this is actually a very good comparison, I`m playing RE right now, simply because it seemed a lot easier for a new player like me that still struggles with some boss mechanics. RE was the choice because with surge I can fuck it up very easy and lose a lot of DPS. But maybe in the future i`ll switch to surge too, who knows? :D

[@ManiX207]

what are these numbers ? im pretty sure you dont do a billion in 2 min O_O at what gear level is this, also surge stuff comes out very expensive ... like the accessories are around 1k mor expensive then the RE ones ... the books of are cost 200 g more or less so that balanced nowadays i guess

[@luphyjr]

Re with 9 and lv 10 gems hit harder than surge with same gems. And maelstorm lv 10 is a must for RE for best rotation cycle. I was surge too

[@Haz3Nation]

Play what u like better. Stop meta changing. Have fun. Dont die..:thats what matters most when raiding. I got bored of RE cuz i played it on russian servers. So surge is more fun for me

[@cystcrusher]

SO TELL ME WHY THIS GAME IS FUN TO PLAY

[@kimmothy]

BROOO COME BACCK, GET PAST THE STORY IT GETS GOOD COPIUM

[@uzi3905]

turn the music up. almost heard u

[@jetsp]

Remain Energy... Hast buff for party and damage.

[@KurokiFk8]

Honestly, the nerf isn’t that noticeable. If you’ve always been building up to 20 stacks, you’re perfectly fine. Also, RE is mad boring. I enjoy how much more fast pace surge feels when you’re going through rotations.

[@emti29]

Only noobs play at 20stacks before. Meta was 14 stacks. Now, it is mandatory to surge at 20 stacks. Having played valtan, it is hard to surge every time.

[@iosgamertool8741]

@@emti29 yes meta slave play 14 stacks, people who just like the class / engraving just play 20 stacks

[@KurokiFk8]

@@emti29 I’m aware, but building to 20 isn’t that hard really.

[@emti29]

@@KurokiFk8 for a stationary target, yes. But bosses that moves alot and has a lot of gimmicks that you need to dodge, it can be quite challenging.

[@emti29]

@@iosgamertool8741 well now, we are forced to play at 20 stacks

[@woweeclapper]

Have you seen the Instant Remaining Energy build that's been going around lately? Yolade made a video on it, and after some casual trixion testing I was doing more DPS than the normal super charge RE build. It seems like a good middle ground between RE and Surge, with fast surge cycles but lower overall surge damage. Vid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZS8lIt8o85gnbM

[@MossyFire]

Big W, pop a cold one ma dude!

[@kimmothy]

ELS BRO

[@kristoflolbert328]

Hey! I think the comparison is not fair on a way that you use super charge as a dmg engraving on RE and in reality it is just a convinience engraving(it doesn't affect 7 out of your 10 skills including surge and awk). With high level dark order tripod + RE buff your casts are superfast already on a level that you can hit them without supercharge if you know the content. If you take a proper dmg engrave isntead of supercharge ( like literally using the same engraves only replacing class) you will see they are actually much much closer,surge being a bit ahead, but with the added risk of missing the gigajuicer surge.

[@SkeppoGaming]

the music is annoying af

[@jacobmaloney7203]

Surge cheaper than RE lmaoooo that's a joke. Peep book prices and accessories prices. re is wayyyyyyy cheaper.

[@emranhos8691]

i tried remaining energy but i enjoy surge more. IDK why i felt like if i was playing remaining energy why not play berserker instead.