Who Dies in Wind and Truth? ft Jake Bishop | WOR 3-4 | Lost in Roshar Ep. 46

[@brockbirkner4686]

I started with the Audiobooks, and I'm actually incredibly endeared to Kate Reading's performance as Pattern.

[@MrOskiee]

I swear. If Sanderson kills Syl, I will riot.

[@tonytoestep]

This oath is accepted

[@b3n835]

Stormmother

[@MrOskiee]

@@b3n835 that would be bad af. And Kal as her herald. Eff that would be sooooooo cool

[@hunterkillerai]

Me too, my friend. Me too.

[@cooldawg2009]

That analogy for Dalinar being left “on read” so he just facetimes people is perfect. Props to Jake

[@kirstenholmes6]

I’m so excited you started Memory Sorrow and Thorn!

[@dr.josephramirezd.c.4267]

Wind Spren form the armor of the Windrunners, perhaps Creation Spren form the shardplate of the Lightweavers. Kaladin would attract a lot of windspren a few times throughout the book before he earned his shardplate, so maybe that is why Shallan can attract so many Creation Spren

[@DMRufio]

I think this has been confirmed somewhere

[@MrGrizzly7392]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing and it’s listed as such on the copper mind so that’s probably the answer!

[@dookieshoe2905]

Yep, you are correct

[@brianhealey5297]

I have my second daughter being born in August and my wife pitched me the name Sylvi. I wasn’t a huge fan, but then she said I can call her Syl for short, so I’m in.

[@Josh-the-man]

And then Syl gets the axe next book hahaha

[@ksauce7]

@brianhealey5297 I have a son due in September and I’ve been pushing very hard for Kaliden but my wife isn’t having it. She said she likes the name Syl though, but not for a boy.

[@ForgetableOne]

@@ksauce7 If you do manage to convince your wife, his name is spelled Kaladin, it would be pretty akward to have your name spelled wrong lol

[@ksauce7]

@@ForgetableOne That’s what happens when you listen to books instead of read them 😂

[@stevenhedge2850]

Actually shallan meeting up with the Kandra and them helping with her issues would be a lot of fun.

[@dookieshoe2905]

Adolin in the pit with the stormlight leaking from his damaged shardplate looks so cool. These are even better than the artwork from season 1.

[@Rhedak]

I was re-reading Stormlight Archive 1 to 4 to prepare for WoT and now I'm done and it's still half a year... I was feeling empty inside thinking about the wait but this podcast helps.

[@Slater2113]

Could always brush up on Mistborn.

[@cookiediangelo8511]

Renarin must have sworn his ideal when dalinar and adolin were about to die. I reread the chapter, Renarin didn't seem suspicious, but basically Navani goes out and Renarin comes and they hear dalinar and adolina re dead, and then renarin sits down and has his fit, and then Navani ignores him and draws her glyph, and after she finishes renarin comes to her and thanks her, and he seems to be doing better than he was before. I can see in the future renarin ahving aflashback to this moment where he comes to some realization and some truth and swears his ideal, and he is stronger than he was before and we didn't see this cause we were in navani's head. Then after dalinar comes back and renarin is happy and is smiling and dalinar comments that he's never seen renarin actually grin like this before. Perhaps he's super happy, not just cause his father and brother are alive, but because he knows he just did something amazing and is a radiant? Cause the writing begins a week after Kal starts his duty, so it Renarin must have sworn his ideal then, and this is the best place for it to happen. I imagine that shortly after renarin swore his ideal, he got a vision about the battle at the end of wor, and he wanted to warn dalinar, but couldn't cause then he'd have to admit he saw visins of the future, and then they would think him evil and not trust him or soemthing, so instead he wrote the words on his father's wall in a perpousully cryptic way. This explination makes sense to me. I can't wait for renarin flashbacks, I feel like there was so much going on with him in wor that we just don't know about and we'll get to see it in book 7 and our minds will be blown that renarin was doing all this cool stuff right under our noses. Also, maybe another reason renarin decided to join bridge four is cause he had a vision about them? I think it's possible, it was slightly out of character for him to decide to join them. It took a lot of guts on his part, and him being motivated by a vision would make sense.

[@ThePengfish]

Regarding the screams. This seems to me to be based on the individual's own perception of their actions. Szeth: Knew his assassinations were wrong. Screams. Dalinar: No screams whilst he was a conquering Warlord because he believed in his cause and believed what he was doing was right. As soon as The Rift took that from him, the screams started. Amaram: I think it's fair to say that he perhaps WAS an honourable man. Certainly he understands honour enough to know how to cultivate that image. When he has Kal's squad killed his perception of his own actions changes and the screams begin. To take this further into the Cosmere. Kelsier has killed a lot of people but hears nothing, as far as we know. But do you really think Kelsier feels any remorse for any of his killings? It's doubtful. I think there is more to be fleshed out there, but this seems to be similar to how Stormlight healing works. Lopen can regrow his arm, simply because he has always believed that he could do it. Kaladin cannot heal his scars because he still sees himself as a slave. Once his own perspective changes, he can finally heal them. The image you hold of yourself seems to have power in the Cosmere.

[@passdoutcouchpotatos]

Its Confirmed that Renarin is the one writing down the Countdowns.

[@codyrose1639]

I feel like he took one of the secret passages to get inside dalinar’s room because it wasn’t until after this event happened that, kaladin posted guards at every door window and secret passage. Or maybe he was just hiding under the bed😂🤷‍♂️

[@paulweller5056]

I'm just coming down off finally finishing WoR yesterday. I love that there's so much discourse that I can finally listen to now that I'm fully caught up.

[@ericF-17]

Let's go! Jake is amazing!

[@Slater2113]

I’m the commenter at 12:44 I suppose when I say Shallan will be a villain I more so mean I expect her to oppose Kel and the ghostbloods in Mistborn 3, which will probably be written from their perspective. Maybe antagonist is a better word and I could see her be an occasional reluctant ally (if any of this even happens). I think it’s a good move to have a Stormlight character in a semi major role in these Mistborn novels to tied people over while we wait on 6. I know the timeline doesn’t quite match with Shallan’s natural lifespan, but Brandon could make it work. This could mean she’s not in the back half at all but idk. I sort of agree that Szeth dying might be antithetical to his arc but it’s less offensive to me than Kaladin dying just because it feels weird after we spent a significant portion of the last book watching him discover that he can be happy outside of the fight helping others. He was an inch away from beginning some kind of healing process before the Urithiru invasion set him back but we’ll see. Adolin feels like a good fit just because almost the entire main cast would be devastated. He’s Kaladins best friend (at this point), Shallan’s husband, and a close relative to most of the remaining important cast. I think this will be big book for Adolin where we’ll pay off a bunch of the stuff we’ve been building up to with him before he does in spectacular heroic fashion. There’s little in the way of themes that demands he survives and he’s also the biggest shackle for Shallan preventing her from possibly being a world hopper. Also I’m an audiobook fake fan so my spelling of certain names might be inconsistent lol

[@kairi99roxas]

In the Graphic Audio version of Warbreaker, Nightblood sounds like Voldemort from A Very Potter Musical, and it's so funny to me!

[@watcherofwatchers]

As Jake said, You only get one chance to experience it without spoilers. It matters.

[@Mordred41407]

Random thought about Kandra on Roshar-my vote goes to Mraize. He’s directly affiliated and in a position of power with Thaidakar, whom (name spoiler free) is directly connected to Scadrial and has been known to befriend and use kandra in the past.

[@passdoutcouchpotatos]

Dalinar is the most likely to become a god in the entire Stormlight archive. I cannot fathom a future where he doesnt ascend. Though he could "Die" and then be reborn

[@joshuasutton7451]

Man, I could use old Dalinar having a chat with Sazed.

[@CodyTaylor115]

Maybe there was so many spren because they are at sea so on land in shadesmare so maybe it was just easier for them to find her?

[@tudor.4218]

Regarding the fortress from the Pure Lake, I've been thinking.. what if the fortress is actually a Shadesmar fortress brought in some way in the physical realm. This is highly possible as the fortress is said to be made from a strange pitt black obsidian, the same material the ground is described as in Shadesmar and because we all know the Pure Lake is a perpendicularity. Love the podcast, keep it up, and I hope this comment will help the cremling network in some way.

[@dookieshoe2905]

I've never heard that the Pure Lake is a perpendicularity. What is the evidence that points to this? Just finished my third time through the books and I must have missed it.

[@tudor.4218]

@@dookieshoe2905 there is not much evidence to it, besides the fact that a lot of worldhoppers are around the Pure Lake and that there are magical fish in it, but this is a fun theory that Christian and Jimmy keep talking about which could be proven right in the future

[@ksauce7]

We know that Cultivation’s perpendicularity is in the Horneater Peaks and it’s been said that Honor’s perpendicularity has been unstable and moves around ever since he was killed. So I’m not sold on this Pure Lake theory.

[@tudor.4218]

@@ksauce7 well, I get your point, but we know that it is not necessary for a perpendicularity to be created from a shard, so I believe this still stands. SPOILER FOR SIXTH OF DUSK:Take for example the perpendicularity on First of the Sun, where no shard is located but still exists.

[@jasonbailey9139]

Pattern’s voice is perfect. It’s Brandon when he’s about to rafo someone. That said, I listened to the book first.

[@ArtSnob101]

Who would win a hockey team competition versus Scadrial and Roshar is a must ask question to Brando Sando.

[@followingnohadonpodcast]

I don't WANT a whole new cast. But we will get it. Deaths everywhere. Or at least exits. Off world, banished, dead, etc

[@Slater2113]

I am almost certain back half is Lift, Gavinor, and Orodin with Jasnah, Renarin, Navani, Taln, and Ash as our major POV’s. Note that it is said there is a 10-15 year time skip between books 5 and 6. I’m hoping Kaladin is still around as a supporting character and that Dalinar is still kicking as a reluctant villain under Odium or Autonomy but maybe he’s just dead.

[@johnbrule7152]

Sanderson is going to pull a fast one on everyone and only kill off Shallan :)

[@Rhedak]

That thing with the countdowns struck me as weird during every reread. It is later revealed to have been Renarin but it seems impossible for him to have written every message... but here i guess we just have to give Brandon the Benefit of Doubt that if he says it was Renarin then it was Renarin

[@jaredpoulter6762]

When it comes to basketball, it is worth considering that Rosharans are all like 7 feet tall

[@boredofhumaans1418]

Anyone knows when Stormlight #5 will actually be available to read?

[@ThePengfish]

Regarding spoilers: Anyone watching episode 46 of a podcast discussing a book series has no right to be upset about hearing spoilers lol. Could have spent the last 45 episodes reading those books!

[@martinrocamora6605]

If the pure lake is a perpendicularity ,maybe the castle is the reason the lake it is so shallow. Since everything in shasesmar is the inverse. Are both realities meeting in one spot?????

[@adamborst]

No idea of the combination of surgebinding skills, but I imagine the Radiants will win based purely on size. Isn't the average size of people on bigger so couldn't the Radiants field a team of all 7 foot tall people in Shardplate? How would the Allomancers beat that? Also, imagine if you throw in a bunch of Venli-style, where they can use both Stormlight and Voidlight, or just Parshendi with the newly discovered form "hockey form". I think Scadrians would be in a bad way.

[@kassadingdong]

I am prepared to throw hands with Jake regarding Kate Reading’s Pattern. Her voice MAKES the character for me and I WILL NOT hear any slander against it. You take it back. The only slander I will hear against both Michael and Kate is, Michael does not do a good Pattern and Kate does not do a good Syl. Those characters voices must be done by their normal narrator at all times. Otherwise, they are perfect and especially the Pattern voice. It is so quintessentially Pattern for me, and defines the character so much more than really any of the words on the page. I love it with my whole entire heart.

[@Slater2113]

Yeah Pattern is a silly character and he needs a silly voice

[@tonetzu]

Szeth was my fav character I was so mad when he became an enemy and so happy when he started working with Dalinar

[@dookieshoe2905]

Became an enemy? He started out as the first enemy we see I'm WoK. The first sentence has him set to assassinate Gavilar. Lol

[@tonetzu]

@dookieshoe2905 I know, and I liked him from that point.. I didn't want him to be a bad guy

[@dookieshoe2905]

@@tonetzu yeah, he is a total badass in that first chapter. I don't think he is evil at at all, he just thought a bit differently as a kid and took his people's laws as sacred. It is a bit crazy how strictly he adhered to the oathstone. I hope he can redeem himself a bit in book 5.

[@tonetzu]

@dookieshoe2905 yeah. 1st read, I didn't know what was going on yet. Only that this guy was badass, and I wanted to cheer for him.. but when he fought Kal, I thought he would change sides. I held out hope lol, and finally, he chooses to serve danlinar.. I was happy. The next book is going to be awesome

[@dookieshoe2905]

@@tonetzu yeah, I was not expecting him to join Dalinar at the end of Oathbringer. That was an awesome turn of events. I hope he can find some peace but it doesn't seem likely unfortunately. At least we will get to see Szeth and Kal teaming up and I can only imagine what two Windrunner masters will do in book 5. I predict Szeth will likely not make it to book 6 but he will probably get an awesome end at least.

[@StuckoTu]

I don't know why I imagine sports on Roshar something like Bloodbowl.

[@masons2068]

If you really want to hate nightblood's voice, checkout the Graphic Audio version of Warbreaker. Also yes patter just sounds like that to me, I listed to like 150h of pattern sounding like that. Don't bother me.

[@ValhonStormsent]

Kaladin dies and becomes Honor after Dalinar reforges it, kind of like what Keliser did with preservation.

[@stevenhedge2850]

I feel that’s just copying mistborn orn though

[@Haxerous]

The radiant/roshar team just 2 guys. Just have Taln with all the honorblades, and Ishar with his own Blade. Split them such that each of them has all the surges. Taln can keep them busy while Ishar does his batshit crazy unchained bondsmith nonsense and steals everybody's powers just like that. A set of plates for each and they are basically unbeatable.

[@austinrf7]

When’s the new episode coming out?

[@LostinDiscovery]

This week we’re back on schedule

[@keniafarias9576]

I will have a breakdown if Syl or kaladin die. 😭

[@connorslocum9327]

👑KINGS👑

[@MrGrizzly7392]

One thing that confuses me about Testament is why doesn’t Shallan hear the screams of a deadeye spren? Is it because they were once bonded?

[@joshuasutton7451]

The Sunlit Man seems to suggest yes

[@davidwilson6577]

An Arrested Development reference went over your head this episode. You should watch Arrested Development so it doesn't happen again.

[@noname3609]

I just hope Kaladin won't die!!! 😢

[@samthestache8]

But Christian, have you considered the possibility that Shallan's mom is a sleepless?

[@LostinDiscovery]

Now you're speaking my language!

[@ishtarahara]

Have to say a hard disagree on the micheal Kramer and kate reading hate, as someone who listens to alot of audiobooks there top tier narrators. I do agree that stephen pacey is in a league of his own though!

[@Gl1tch2263]

I’ll eat my shoes if Dalinor doesn’t die.

[@jakebishop7822]

I shall return when he lives as Odium's champion

[@passdoutcouchpotatos]

Well what if He dies, but because of Spiritual realm bullshit he remakes honor and comes back as Unity? Will you eat half a shoe?

[@DMRufio]

What if Odium escapes Roshar because Honor is reformed/unshattered/revived?

[@KommanderHooyah]

There are 155-flex hockey sticks on the pro stock market.

[@SnakeAndTurtleQigong]

I don’t mind spoilers

[@ania4802]

I read the books first then listened to audio, I loved how Pattern sounded in my head, BUT it has now been replaced with the terrible audiobook version 😂 Luckily, I still hear Nightblood and Syl how I imagined during my first read (when re-reading now) 😊

[@blinkyrem]

Vasher could die, he's POV sort of

[@awskier222]

Have never bailed harder on a video faster than when Jake said he hated Kate Reading’s Pattern. He’s revealed his opinions as meritless and a waste of time. Please, do us all a big favor and find a better co-host.

[@stevenhedge2850]

Na he’s right she and Kramer do not keep the same accents they make up for the characters and they don’t really make the big moments exciting

[@zmsays]

The only part I find less appealing than Readings pattern is her Lift. It's the only e-book I wish I could return.

[@theanniebannie]

Re audible - I have never liked Navani because of her voice in way of kings. It's awful. I like Pattern now, it suits his character.

[@nassan1599]

That is the worst depiction of Mayalaren I've ever seen.