Love Jugs install and review,

[@genekelley7579]

🛑🛑 Verrry Interesting 🤔!! This subject has been kicked around other KZbin Channels as well. I’m glad you applied some “science” to your appraisal, and appreciate your findings. 👍 I’m glad my wife and I got to see you in person at Gettysburg. I’m sorry to hear you won’t be coming the Ocean City Bikefest; however I understand. 👍 Great Video! Appreciate the Honesty!!💯👍

[@DrHarley]

Gene, it was great meeting you and your wife as well. Thank you for your input.

[@mervehrich6140]

Thanks for an honest review. I appreciate the fact that you purchased the product yourself & they we not just given to you for a promotion. You just saved me a shit ton of money as I live in Canada & parts are soooo expensive.

[@DrHarley]

Thank you for watching. I will be honest even when something was given to me.

[@paulsilson2148]

Just subscribed, like your honesty on the product, and the fact your not a salesman, like other channels are, especially. I can't watch false motorcycle channels, that receive parts for free , and don't do there own work, but make out like they do.

[@DrHarley]

Tha k you and welcome to the cannel. I docat times get things for free. Whe.n I do I usually end up giving the products away to subscribers for free.

[@paulsilson2148]

@@DrHarley that's righteous

[@DrHarley]

@paulsilson2148 Thank you. I just did a big giveaway last week for the 3000 subscriber celebration. I will have another giveaway soon.

[@paulsilson2148]

@@DrHarley look forward to that

[@johntoppit5167]

OK, that's allot of good information. I was thinking of getting them. Now not so much. Thanks for saving me almost 500.00

[@DrHarley]

I am so happy that you got some value out of this video.

[@marvinr5054]

I was waiting till the end to see your opinion and to see if you would test them I'm so glad you did because I've been watching videos and it doesn't seem like people give their honest opinion Thank you for helping me make my choice to save my money and go a different route. Subscribed!

[@DrHarley]

Thank you. I hope that you find a lot of value in most, if not all, of my videos. I will always be 💯 upfront and honest on any product, whether it was gifted to me or I paid for it.

[@brianboyd5024]

Great review, you answered all my questions concerning. THANK YOU GREAT HONEST REVIEW!

[@DrHarley]

It's my pleasure to bring out the truth with the science behind it.

[@djorgensen3]

The original ones from Wards Parts Werx worked extremely well on my Lowrider S. Dropped temps 50⁰. My Jagg oil cooler wasn't even noticable but I'm sure it was good for the oil.

[@DrHarley]

But like all things that work well. They get redesigned and don't work as well. That's my opinion

[@chrishoward9134]

Good Info. I would be concerned about the difference in temp from left to right. Even if the engine is hot, it is uniformed across the engine. One side cooler than the other will most likely not end in a good way!

[@DrHarley]

I agree 100% with you.. warping an cracking are issues that come to mind. I have come to the conclusion to remove this and see if I can get a refund.

[@chrisg2k1]

If that’s the case then the engine would warp from normal riding since the right side gets more air in the wind and there’s no cases I see ppl Posting online of there heads warping

[@DrHarley]

@chrisg2k1 I only report my findings and my opinion. And with the fans off, the heads are the same temp from left to right side. With the fans on, there was a temperature difference from left to right sides of the heads.

[@gregburkhalter3445]

Jim fan is much better

[@DrHarley]

@gregburkhalter3445 that's what I have been hearing.

[@glenryan6569]

On a twin cam the spark plug hole goes right thru the head to the other side and you will feel the heat pounding off on your right leg, so it definitely blows some heat away.

[@davidconley3610]

Good honest review of the product! I completely agree with your test ! Too much money for little cooling!

[@DrHarley]

Thank you. I was totally let down by this product.

[@wooddawg4868]

Ten to 20 degrees is better than nothing especially when your standing still. It's time for Harley Davidson to go with fully liquid-cooled motors like the Revolution Max platform they have been holding back on.

[@jimpoulos2272]

Thank you for posting this, you just saved me $485!

[@DrHarley]

I am so happy that you received some value out of this video.

[@metricwrencher8702]

I see the difference in my oil temp. gauge. Running in city with fans on, oil is at 180 degrees vs 230 when off. That said, I have a 96 TC and use the larger version on the road king.

[@DrHarley]

My concern is with the temp difference from one side of the head to the other. The physics in that it could cause a worp in the heads.

[@SPMiller]

Even at 270 on the left side of the motor that's amazing after 5 minutes of running.

[@paulrebis3439]

I get real time temps thru my power vision tuner. And without the love jugs my bike runs 20 deg warmer. And after a king ride my temps will continue to rise at a idle. With love jugs on the temps drop at a idle. I have a 135 engine so she runs warm. Only issue i keep having with them are the motors going out.

[@windsurfed1]

Great video. Honest review. I’m not a fan of love jugs. But I have to admit any cooling of the head is better than no cooling of the head. Just my opinion. I personally would not buy any either. But also, I believe they keep them in the temperature range. That’s OK for the cylinders. Anyway, thanks for being honest in your review

[@DrHarley]

They just did not live up to the hype. Too bad I was hopeful.

[@windsurfed1]

I detected that in your end dissapointment. I thought I heard you say that these were the small version of the Love jugs. I did not know they came in 2 different sizes?@@DrHarley

[@DrHarley]

@windsurfed1 the larger ones are for the touring models from what I am led to believe.

[@easyglider1307]

@@DrHarley The larger ones were the original design, not necessarily only for touring models. They are hideous in black or chrome. The smaller mites were the better option for my Road Glide.

[@levialston518]

I have the first generation jugs and I like how you can turn on/off each fan

[@Jermz1979]

I'm not shilling for these guys, but I've got real world practical use experience with them over the last 6 months. I've never heard an instance of heads warping with anyone using Love Jugs. The metal would require a much more substantial temperature range for that to be an issue. I did the same tests you did when I received them and had the same takeaway until I started to use it during daily commuting. What you are mainly seeing a difference in is surface temps and not internal. The better test would be to run something like a PV to monitor internal head temp on that back cylinder as well as an oil temp reading. I have the same set for M8 softails and I can tell you 100% it does help in Texas heat. Where I would regularly run 310 on the back cylinder during stop and go in Dallas traffic with outside temps at 105+, I rarely hit EITMS temps (287 degrees) and never hit 300. My oil temps were about a 10-20 degree difference. I recently added an Ultracool 3.0 dual fan oil cooler and that has dropped my oil temps to around 250-255 max temp and in turn dropped my head temps down another 10 degrees to never higher than 275. For me at least, this was $1000 well spent when you include the oil cooler. I'm running a bulletproof 124" with a 22xe cam, stock heads ported 64mm TB and EFI, Sawicki mid length catless, and FM AC/DC +1 high flow intake. Tuned for every day riding I'm at 135/145 on 91 octane. I'll be installing the Trask Tornado Turbo kit over the winter as well.

[@DrHarley]

Thank you for your input. As I have a PV tuner and I will have to make a y pig tail to use it with the love jugs. You have given me some things to think about. Thank you.

[@Jermz1979]

@@DrHarley I used a Namz pigtail for mine. I run my wireless android auto motorcycle unit, and Love Jugs off the pigtail. NHD-72674-11

[@Jermz1979]

@@DrHarley also, forgot to mention this. They don't do a whole lot when you're moving over 30-40mph since normal airflow is providing a better job. Where they shine is in stop and go and parade type movement.

[@DrHarley]

I agree. I figured that. Physics it's not a good idea. It's the law. LOL.

[@GlidingThroughLife]

Good to know. The 2012 road glide custom I’m bringing home Friday has love jugs. Thank you for the info!

[@DrHarley]

My pleasure.

[@DrHarley]

Good luck with your new bike. I am glad that you found some value in this video.

[@GlidingThroughLife]

I did. Thanks again. I’ll try and make live stream tonight

[@DrHarley]

@ThanielPeterson awesome.

[@Bigherm5.7]

I bought love jugs for my 2015 Fatboy installed them about four months ago. I agree with you. I wouldn’t buy them again, but they are better than nothing. Definitely not worth the money though.

[@aaronb6503]

Good info thx! What ceiling lighting system is that in your shop?

[@DrHarley]

I found them on Amazon. If you look back into my videos titled garage update. You will find the link in the discretion

[@MichaelH416]

The Jim’s Fan is a better option. It has a thermostat that’s on the rear head, and turns on and off automatically. Kevin Baxter has a great video showing how well it works. A little more complicated install, but it definitely cools the heads.

[@DrHarley]

I will have to look into them.

[@deanbedetti]

Question to you sir....Why did you choose the LJ's over the Jims Force Flow Fan system...!!!Lot of good feedback coming from the Jims system as opposed to the LJ's .

[@DrHarley]

It's simple. It was available at a rally.

[@deanbedetti]

@@DrHarley My wife and I just purchased the 120th anniversary 674/1100 tri-glide and we went with the Jims fan , ultra cool oil cooler with the high flow oil filter. Researched both , the overwhelming info showed the Jims fan to be a " much" better cooling fan system . Thank you .

[@DrHarley]

@@deanbedetti thank you for your insight and suggestion. I will have to look into these fans.

[@paivasteveable]

I got a set of the larger size on my 103 twin cam and they seem to work but when I was in stop And go traffic on a hot day my oil light started to flicker so not sure why . Lol Thanks for the review

[@DrHarley]

The oil light is a pressure light. Could be that the oil got so hot and thin, the pressure was not within the proper range.

[@paivasteveable]

@@DrHarley thanks I’m using the new synthetic oil from HD , any suggestions on new oil type I

[@DrHarley]

@paivasteveable I use Amsoil 20W 50 for the motor, the Trans and Primary fluids are also Amsoil.

[@rayw8177]

good day to ya, wasn't until i moved from wi to nv 4 yrs ago and 1st riding summer in nv no love jugs on both bikes, triglide and ultra was very easy overheating especially at stop lights or low speed. put the jugs on and made huge difference. on the longer time stopped, can feel the heat blowing to the right side of bike. i ride with them on mainly that way on when come to a stop and if that hot when parking bike will keep them on for 5 or so minutes. i am looking at the dkcustoms oil cooler for all the bikes just to have more cooling with the dry 110 degree summers. other big thing found for help cooling is intake, where intake air is farther away from the motor.

[@DrHarley]

Anything that can cool the motor and oil evenly will help. My concern is that the temp on the right side of the motor gets hotter than the left side. Uneven temperature on components can cause failure and possible warping.

[@rayw8177]

@@DrHarley i would have to agree with ya. didn't think be that much difference from each side until this video. makes me that much more in the oil cooler and relocation of oil filter with cooler, also make easier for changing the oil.

[@Bagrman-kt1ot]

All your videos are great👍.. your shop lights kick ass …

[@DrHarley]

Thank you,

[@JakobKaizen]

Good stuff man! Love these science videos. Any idea how hot your exhaust and headers gets when riding? Thinking about doing a lil test on my Stealth 2-1 on my RG ST -22 and having the pipes coated in titanium nitride to get that deep gold finish to match some other details combined with the black. Company that’s coating says it can take up to 500°C/930°F

[@DrHarley]

Thank you. I have no idea on the EGT when riding. I am sure that there is no way that it will get that hot. So I believe that you will be fine with that treatment.

[@46GarageUSA]

I have those new in yhe box in storage, i never got to put them on sold bike

[@DrHarley]

Are you still riding?

[@chetd516]

I'll be interested in buying them from you..

[@46GarageUSA]

@@chetd516 I don't know how I would even contact you to sell them to you ?

[@DrHarley]

Send me an email. [e-mail]

[@DrHarley]

Send me an email. [e-mail]

[@scottwheaton9689]

Good cooling combo is the Ultracool twin fan assist oil cooler along with their cleanable Al oil filter kit with Al fined housing along with the the live jugs your running.’ I had that combo on my 09 flhtcu that reduced oil temp 50-56deg f in 90+ deg f dummer heat with following results:benefits NO MORE DETONATION VALVES/LIFTERS ARE QUIETER HOT OIL PSI UP BY 5-7psi THROTTLE RESPONSE NOW STAYS CRISP WHEN HOT MOTOR STARTS EASIER/FASTER POST FUELING UP MOTOR & OIL BEING COOLER INCREASES LONGEVITY OF THEMOTOR,seals,gaskets,plastic shoes on cam & prim chain tensioners,etc. LESS HEAT HITTING RIDER MAKING THE BIKE MUCH MORE PLEASURABLE TO RIDE IN SUMMER HEAT.

[@DrHarley]

Great information

[@stewartsmall5695]

Raise your tank 1.5 and put deflectors on front of tank, DK customs

[@jeffrasmussen7462]

I have the tank deflectors,work great

[@easyglider1307]

A 131 is going to produce a lot of heat, way more than a stock M8. I have the Love Jugs mighty mites and the fan assisted oil cooler. I think it takes a combo of things to keep the motor cooler. tuning is a big factor with cooling the motor too. Even use a FLO reusable oil filter that is supposed to drop oil temps 10 *. But I will say I am not 100% convinced with the Love Jugs either but not taking them off now.

[@DrHarley]

I removed mine and can not come to sell them. Because I don't believe in them.

[@tex9280]

An oil cooler fan also would help but personally I'd gone with the Jim's Fan. Great content & a product to avoid ❗ Remember rule #1 Do Not F🤪CKING Die ❗ Safe travels 🙏♥️🐾🐾🇦🇺

[@DrHarley]

Tex, thank you for your input. Now to research other options for the Softail. If none available, let me see what I can come up with.

[@deanbedetti]

Agree the Jims Force Flow Fan is a better product.. LJ's breakdown fairly often...imo.

[@NKBobcat]

The mighty mites are the same size for all bikes. The regular size are definitely bigger than the Softail model.

[@jdflhr]

Thank you for your review

[@tombstone2826]

What's the outside temperature??

[@DrHarley]

The outside temperature I believe was 89 too 90 degrees out.

[@mattharris2398]

The price for this kit is ridiculous. I built my own with two larger 12v fans with a custom bracket for about $60.

[@DrHarley]

Awesome. I bet it even works better.

[@mattharris2398]

@@DrHarley thx man. Yes it does

[@jeffrasmussen7462]

Only problem is that it blows the heat to right leg, which is already the hottest side

[@estebanmorales6568]

I clicked on this because I thought you were the real "Doc Harley".

[@DrHarley]

I am Not Doc Harley. I am Dr.Harley.

[@h.wayneb3495]

Thanks for sharing

[@PitbullSoco]

Theyre not going to cause your heads to warp. The air is passing through the fins and by the negative pressure on the backside of the airflow, its pulling the heat from the right side of the engine away as well as the left. It may be slightly hotter, but not enough to cause a warp. Warp comes from being too hot. If the heads dont warp from the heat stock, then they arent going to warp if one side is warmer than the other. By that logic, riding in a strong crosswind for a significant amount of time would cause your head to warp.

[@DrHarley]

That's a point of view I did not think of. Thank you for making me think.

[@vincentwebster8313]

why is a cold motor 83 degrees??!!!!!

[@DrHarley]

That's was temp without the motor running for over 12 hours. That's why it's cold.

[@robertpronovost3839]

Coomaster was giving cooling to the right side

[@DrHarley]

Nope. Just to the left side.

[@Elcubantaco]

Those engines were designed to run the way they are. There’s no need to add any type of cooling system.

[@DrHarley]

Agreed. I did this because I wanted to see if it was worth all the hype, and it came requested by a subscriber

[@Elcubantaco]

@@DrHarley it was a awesome video

[@DrHarley]

Thank you.

[@davidfellows6250]

never let your bike idle for five minutes. Harley clearly states that 30 seconds is warm up time. yes i know that Amsoil lets a bike run all day with lovejuggs on but i wouldnt buy that bike and would bet that its roached.

[@DrHarley]

I agree. However it was done for an experiment to see if and how well the love jugs work.

[@cbigclarke]

Not much difference sitting in traffic

[@DrHarley]

IMO it was a waist of money. I would not try and sell it.

[@davidfellows6250]

@cbigclarke yeah i don't sit in traffic, and yes i have to break some laws but not my bike.

[@prosedi17]

they really won,t drop temps,but without temp will rise,but they are overpriced

[@B1boi]

Instructions says leave on while bike is running. 5min idle, gzzzz

[@DrHarley]

The idle time was to simulate sitting in traffic and or slow moving traffic.

[@PeachStateATV]

Should have mounted 1 fan on each side, make your own bracket, $$$$$$$$$

[@DrHarley]

Yes. I could have done that.

[@PeachStateATV]

@@DrHarley well I thought about your video and I wasn’t pleased with the results, you saved me 500 bucks. I appreciate it

[@DrHarley]

@PeachStateATV I am glad that you received some value out of my videos.

[@melissachop4449]

Hi, guys 😊

[@DrHarley]

Hi Mel.

[@rickswindell1964]

Oil cooler with fans

[@DrHarley]

I agree. Looking for one for a softail. I didn't all one on my Road Glide

[@rickswindell1964]

I did an ultra cool on my 22 trike. Works awesome. Fans seldom come on.

[@DrHarley]

@rickswindell1964 awesome. However, the oil cooler on a softail is quite a bit different, and I don't think they will work on my application. I will start a search for something, or I might fabricate something up.

[@rickswindell1964]

I do know ultra cool makes applications for a soft tail but may not work for you.

[@josephcivita1450]

Waste of time and money.

[@DrHarley]

I agree. I wouldn't even try to sell them

[@kevinfaherty9887]

Doesn't appear to be worth the money and effort. Thanks for sharing.

[@DrHarley]

Yeah I was disappointed with this product. I was so hopping that it would be worth the $$$