No UDH?? SRAM T-Type Conversion for OLD Yeti, REVEL Bikes - Non UDH Frame - SB100, SB130, SB150

[@samdiaz6162]

Your show is always thinking outside the box . Thanks for sharing.

[@LoveMTB]

My pleasure

[@dragoss16]

I have converted my CUBE Stereo Hybrid 160 2021 model to support UDH but I had to do modifications on the frame, enlarged the hole from 18 to 20mm and grinded some of the material to fit the T-Type. It works like a charm :)

[@MYMOUNTAIN_122]

@@dragoss16 I'd be interested to know more as my 2nd emtb is a 160.

[@LoveMTB]

@@MYMOUNTAIN_122 The 160 can use this mod with no alterations to the frame

[@MYMOUNTAIN_122]

@@LoveMTB great do you any pictures of the unit installed?

[@dragoss16]

@@LoveMTB not the 2021 model

[@dragoss16]

@@MYMOUNTAIN_122 if your cube is from 2021 then you will need the mod, if is 2023 then it comes with UDH from factory, I can show you the photos but dont know how

[@wedgett1]

I ordered this bushing a few days ago for my SB115. Can't wait to try it out!

[@LoveMTB]

It should work great. And would love to hear your feedback!

[@GHinWI]

Arguably an improvement to have that consumable shoulder bushing in the frame dropout. If you rotate the derailleur in an impact, you could replace the shoulder bushing.

[@vmxd]

I have converted my Yeti SB130 LR to UDH 4 month ago. Transmission works flawlessly, love it!!! 👌

[@BiggieComponents]

Very nice!

[@LoveMTB]

That’s great to hear, Biggie bushing?

[@vmxd]

@@LoveMTB nope, I got it from different person :) By the way old oval chaining works without any issues as you have already mentioned. I just converted another Yeti we have and kept 3mm offset oval :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/opm7ZGWwbJWEmpI When I've converted my SB130LR I used Wolftooth 30T oval with 0 offset.

[@MikeinCC]

I'm so jazzed by this! Just bought an SB115 with the idea I'd never get SRAM T-Type, which wasn't the end of the world. Turns out Yeti already 'invented' the UDH standard without realizing it. I only hope this mod doesn't invalidate the lifetime frame warranty.

[@vmxd]

if you purchased second hand Yeti you are out of warranty anyway. Frame Warranty works only for original buyer. Just FYI.

[@BiggieComponents]

Hi, Reid here with Biggie Components. The T-type installation with our custom part is 100% reversible. No one would be able to know if you had a T-type system installed or not if you need to warranty your frame.

[@samd6405]

I’ll stick with Shimano XT/XTR mechanical….but great mod for those who prefer SRAM (wireless)Transmission.

[@LoveMTB]

Nothing wrong with the XTR/ XT combo!

[@samd6405]

I’ve tried SRAM AXS, just couldn’t get used to it. I much prefer the tactile feedback of mechanical drivetrains. And I’ve heard/read transmission sacrifices speed for reliable shifting under load. Sounds like it was designed for e-bikes but is sounds sluggish for normal pedal bikes.

[@4091740]

100% agree. Massive weight difference between XT/XTR and this T-Type also.

[@LoveMTB]

It's not really sluggish, you won't perceive it as slow in comparison. And it has it's place for quite a few applications.

[@LoveMTB]

Not to mention that...

[@jkkmobile]

You have to also measure if there is enough room for inner part of the derailleur. It needs to be 6.5mm. many holders are thinner than that.

[@LoveMTB]

Not sure I follow you on this...

[@jkkmobile]

@LoveMTB thickness of the t-type inner attachment is 6.5mm. If your current derailleur hanger is thinner than that,( between rear hub and frame) sram derailleur doesn't fit unless you bend your frame.

[@LoveMTB]

@@jkkmobile You have a point for sure😊

[@briangong007]

Sb120, and Sb160 you mention are already UDH compatible. SB100,115,130,140 27.5, 150, 165 27.5 are all non UDH frames. The ARC hardtail was the first Yeti UDH frame.

[@LoveMTB]

It's the 130 I meant to say. And I'm pretty sure there is a version of 115 that's UDH compatible?

[@BrianGong-q8v]

@@LoveMTB No the 115 is the same rear triangle as the Sb100.

[@viniciovieirajr.]

It's a good solution and I liked your presentation. But if sram is like specialized we are going to have a lot of difficult to get one of those.

[@LoveMTB]

@@viniciovieirajr. available now 😊

[@Jinedan]

Conversely, can you now use a cheap, readily available UDH on that SB100 with a NORMAL (not T-Type) derailleur? The only snag would be if the UDH leaves the mech in a bad position and it shifts poorly.

[@BiggieComponents]

You can not. The feature on the Non-UDH yeti frames is the wrong shape to fit a UDH hanger.

[@mtbboy1993]

Nicolai/Geometron has drop out I could get for my 2019 Geomtron G1. But I've not tried it yet. Nicolai/Geometron has replicable drop out, the RD hanger is a part of the drop out, So even with a big hit I think it's one of the most safe bikes to put Transmission on without damaging the frame. But that bike is so robust anyway.

[@LoveMTB]

If the axle gets damaged then you worry about the frame. Full mount derailleur sits on the trhu axle and sandwiches the right side of the frame. But structurally it's all on the axle!

[@mtbboy1993]

@LoveMTB for some reason I wrote adapter I meant to write drop out. I wouldn't worry then, if something fails it would be the drop out but unlikely. Looks like they made it UDH as it says UDH, so one can use both regular Rd and direct mount. 👌Great move imo.

[@LoveMTB]

@@mtbboy1993 I got what you meant ;)

[@seawalkarrg]

Is that red bushing necessary? Does it reduce friction? Transition frames will supposedly fit a T type derailleur without that bushing but you do use the black flange washer

[@LoveMTB]

@@seawalkarrg it’s a wearable part and it is needed for the system to work as designed. Now if you want to install without…

[@seawalkarrg]

@ ahh! well that’s good to know

[@GF-cb8rr]

I've read of an individual's mod to his Transition with red plastic removed and several hundred miles on it and has had zero issues.

[@LoveMTB]

@@GF-cb8rr So no bushing whatsoever?

[@seawalkarrg]

@ Someone on mtbr who did it to his transition said the bushing might just be for alignment

[@Jacob99174]

MTB Mad Scientist! 😂👍🏿

[@LoveMTB]

😂👍🏿

[@jonathanrider00]

My wife old X01 crankset (52mm) runs like a champ with the tytape gx groupset....

[@LoveMTB]

Exactly, thank you!

[@vmxd]

Good to know, I will be converting my wife's Yeti SB100 soon and would like to keep current cranks and oval chain ring with 3mm offset.

[@jonathanrider00]

@@vmxd it will work perfectly

[@vmxd]

@@jonathanrider00 yep it works perfectly! kzbin.info/www/bejne/opm7ZGWwbJWEmpI

[@jonathanrider00]

@@vmxd sweet

[@jimzigouris]

i wander for specialized epic pro 2021 your opinion

[@LoveMTB]

If you have it and could go through the steps described here, reach out to Biggie ;)

[@BiggieComponents]

Hi, Unfortunately the older non-UDH specialized bikes are not able to be converted without serious frame surgery.

[@talesfromthetrailz]

Does this work with sb150?

[@BiggieComponents]

Yes this adapter will work with your SB150!

[@funLad80]

Could you make a video about mixing SRAM transmission with Shimano cassette? I wonder if by installing 1.8 spacer to move cassette outside, would make this system work? I suppose many people would love to watch that video, and since you got so many parts it will not be a problem for you to try it? I would love to have wireless shifting with Shimano gear range for lower price too. Many thanks

[@LoveMTB]

I already have this - kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4awepqkjcqilac Shimano mix coming...

[@funLad80]

@@LoveMTB Thanks, I have seen this, as most of your videos I think :) But I am thinking about SRAM T-type transmission with Shimano cassette. Thank you

[@LoveMTB]

@@funLad80 Coming...😉

[@funLad80]

@@LoveMTB Great 😀

[@BiggieComponents]

Biggie says Hi!

[@here4therides]

I just want a UDH, not transmission. Can this adapter make it happen?

[@LoveMTB]

Unfortunately no, there's other things that the frame has to be ready for, on the inside of the chainstay, part that I did not show in the video.

[@glen3509]

I have a similar question. Can I get a Shimano M8000 XT 2X boost crank on a mid 2000s Trek frame?

[@RotormanMTB]

What people don't know is there's 2 different UDH standards.. the one with UDH..and later on the "hangerless" UDH standard or "classification". Sure you can do all of this, but aren't the Hangerless UDH standard frame specification related to frame design and it being stronger?

[@LoveMTB]

I am sure there's only one UDH standard. As for the frame manufacturers changing the rear triangle design, I am not aware of it.

[@eddierivera7803]

Love the hacks but a finely tuned GX AXS would suffice for me. I have both and never had a problem with either but to me the premium price for T type is not justified. Granted install is a breeze but so is AXS. I switched to wireless on day one to save my aching thumbs and glad I did .

[@LoveMTB]

I beg to differ, transmissioon is version 2.0 if you want AXS Ttype is the way to go.

[@djean53]

Agreed! T type is slow, limits you cassette options, easier to remove the rear wheel.

[@justsayin3600]

@eddierivera7803 my bike came with AXS. I absolutely love it! Very easy to adjust and customize, very little pressure to engage.

[@khendricksson]

@@eddierivera7803 I disagree. T-type is WAY better when shifting under load. I had XO AXS Eagle and didn't like it. Went back to XTR. For me it's basically T-Type or Shimano. The coming mechanical T-type is probably pretty awesome. Not as silent when it comes to chain slap as T-type AXS, but in every other aspect it should be pretty much perfect.

[@hervemasson5976]

I hope that a few small companies will have the good idea of offering custom-made rings to make non-UDH frames compatible with the T type. I had contacted Salsa to find out if my Beargrease was compatible, they told me no, but when I see your video I tell myself that the derailleur hanger and the part where the hanger is mounted still look very much like the UDH standard.

[@LoveMTB]

You have all the details on how to assess if frame is compatible here in this video. Feel free to contact Reid @biggiecomponents

[@hervemasson5976]

@@LoveMTB that's what i did a few minutes 😉

[@LoveMTB]

@@hervemasson5976 Cheers😉

[@hervemasson5976]

@@LoveMTB congratulations to Biggie components, who replied shortly afterwards. However, to confirm whether the Beargrease frame is compatible, he would like to find someone who owns one in Colorado so that he can take the measurements. if you know of anyone in Colorado, please contact me or Biggie . thank you .

[@LoveMTB]

@@hervemasson5976 That's community at work right there!

[@JorgeDiazfernandez]

Thanks so much for the video ,i was looking for a solution for my 2022 Mondraker level R I know there is a solution for the Yeti but do you know if is any solution for the 2022 Mondraker level R ,I love my Bike and honestly I do not want spen a lot of money in a new bike thanks

[@LoveMTB]

@@JorgeDiazfernandez not sure but go through the video, do the assessment as described and reach out to Biggie

[@jkkmobile]

@JorgeDiazfernandez Mondrakers with M068 hanger has too little room and too small and stepped hole for t-type. It can maybe be fitted if you make a special bushing and machine your hub axle cap to about 2mm shorter.

[@RAI_D]

Will it fit 2020 yeti sb165

[@LoveMTB]

@@RAI_D yes it should

[@BiggieComponents]

Yes this part will fit your SB165 27.5. @RAI_D

[@RAI_D]

What size thru axel do I need ? Is it the same one as in the video ?

[@LoveMTB]

@@RAI_D But the length required by your bike. If Yeti I think they only have one.

[@BiggieComponents]

@@RAI_Dyes you will need a new UDH axle.I suggest Yeti Cycles brand. A full parts list and guide is included in purchase.

[@laupe2347]

Is it worth voiding your frame warranty for getting to use transmission ?

[@LoveMTB]

@laupe2347 it’s kind of unclear how you’re voiding it, you’re not changing anything on the frame itself

[@laupe2347]

@@LoveMTB It's actually pretty simple: You are putting transmisison on a frame which didn't have a UDH. That voids the warranty

[@LoveMTB]

@laupe2347 -ish...

[@reidfletcher191]

@laupe2347 couldn’t you just reinstall the old derailleur if you needed to warranty the frame. No one would know you had transmission installed unless you told them..

[@vmxd]

I am not worried about warranty at all :) My bike is old anyway I got my SB130 when it was released so no frame replacements anyway and my wife's yeti we bought second hand, so no warranty anyway, because Yeti's warranty can be used only by original owner. If we will damage it, I will get new frame and transfer all my parts to new frame. Life is to short to worry about it. I used Yetis warranty once when I damaged rear triangle and guess what - still had to pay for it and for installation by the shop because this is their policy :)

[@JOE-uq8oh]

I hope I can do this to my 2020 Giant Reign ADV 29 😅

[@LoveMTB]

Check out the measurements as in the video 🙂

[@GrigoryRechistov]

T-type is too expensive for me. I doubt I will ever have it anywhere on my bikes in the near future.

[@silver_c1oud]

ill stick with Shimano good thing there are still companies who dont ride in Sram Bandwagon

[@TrailsnGravel]

Wow.. That looks neat. Any one tried this with ibis Ripley v4? Please let me know - Thanks

[@LoveMTB]

Have you done the assessment from the video? Interesting/ useful exercise

[@TrailsnGravel]

@LoveMTB will do.. Was looking for an easy answer :)

[@DaBinChe]

Sram needs to have better gear spacing in the low gear. That 52t to 42t is just too much of a jump, completely throws me off. This is why I run Shimano drivetrain with a Sram shifter.

[@LoveMTB]

It's not that bad with this new cassette, you're referring to the old Eagle 12s

[@Chunky246]

They've changed it on the new transmission cassette.

[@polishguywithhardtospellna8227]

To me, going from Shimano double swivel rear derailleur to single swivel is enough upgrade. Poor man's cues with bargain XT 11S RD and shifter

[@LoveMTB]

@@polishguywithhardtospellna8227 sounds good enough to me!😊 great to hear from you

[@lowres_144p]

The amount of chain slap the GX Transmission has is laughable. Stick with cables and derailleurs with clutches if you want a quiet bike.

[@LoveMTB]

That's on the old AXS, not the new T-Type...

[@lowres_144p]

@ Nope. I have a GX T-type on my Chromag and it doesn’t nothing but make noise slapping around back there.

[@LoveMTB]

@@lowres_144p Good to know, interested if others experience the same with the GX ttype

[@mtb717]

chibiribin

[@MrBolonio]

the most expensing Bushing in the planet..

[@romanpramuka2703]

I will never buy that overpriced electronic shit from SRAM 🤮

[@nicolapellegrino1072]

UDH is a good solution from Sram, but T-type transmission is absolutely of the worst.

[@santa-r8i9q]

@LoveMTB can you please provide me what type of the external thread pitch of the cap-nut? is it same 1mm like inner? and dimensions in mm before external thread and after thread I 'm planning to create same cap but with different size according to my frame but before consider to buy a new derailleur I want to make sure that I can adopt it to my frame I also wrote email to you thank you