COMPATIBILITY - Mixing SRAM T-Type And EAGLE 12 Speed AXS Components

[@PhiLoSoPheR_NonSenSe]

Hoping SRAM doesn't tell you to take down the video. This is exactly what we're looking for. Thanks for your efforts!

[@alexandrtarasenko1531]

Yea, they don't like us poor people! lol!!!

[@GokkunGuru]

I’m running old AXS derailleur, cassette, and chain on the T-Type cranks and rocker pods. Works perfect.

[@LoveMTB]

Yeah close to my setup on the ARC. Like the look of those X0 cranks!😊

[@apw2607]

Yea, I do the same and it works very nicely. I wanted the xx sl cranks because they can be ordered with 168mm q-factor (0 offset chainring) and when used with a regular dub BB, you can still achieve the 55mm CL. Thank goodness.

[@LoveMTB]

@@apw2607 That's only if your frame has the clearance for it, you're lucky that it worked. On my Yeti ARC that was a definitive no no

[@apw2607]

@@LoveMTB ya, true. This was on both Spark WC and Scale WC (2023)

[@Laura-cj3yj]

Hi, I wanna do the same. I have Scott Spark RC 2924 with NX setup. And I want to uograde to T-type deralieur with Eagle X0 drive train(cranks, chain and casette). Is it possible? Really is it works?One thing, I am not serviceman that I am not sure with choose of crankset. Actual NX cranks have Q factor 174, and frame of Spark have PF92. I am not sure about lenght of spindle. Can you help mi?

[@andrejhaluska4061]

Finálny!!! I waited for this video for sooo long tíme. Everything you told I was thinking from begining. No new cranks needed is most important part here.

[@LoveMTB]

Yeah especially when power meters are involved😉

[@sebastianjost]

These compatibility test videos are fantastic. Loved the SRAMxShimano ones and I'm sure this one will help many people too

[@LoveMTB]

Hope so!

[@StrangeWilderness69]

Exactly what I needed and was looking for.

[@SixGunTodd]

Just a little hack....but T type chains DRAMATICALLY improve worn easgle cassette operation. Likely something sram wants no one to know.....

[@LoveMTB]

Are you running that combo?

[@neilk22]

Just what i was looking for, thx!

[@adamsolomon9353]

this video came out at the perfect time for my new build. Thank!

[@LoveMTB]

Perfect! Have fun with it

[@robertgrech91]

Thank you! was just searching for this, getting a t-type X0 crankset with an otherwise old Eagle XX1 system

[@LoveMTB]

Have that crankset on my new ARC hardtail - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaelq4eMiMiCrsU

[@robertgrech91]

@@LoveMTB perfect! nice to see such a combination and the wheeltop derailleur

[@zed57]

Thanks so much for this, answered many questions I had! Cheers!

[@LoveMTB]

Glad it was helpful!

[@stv9042]

Already ran transmission derailleur with eagle chain and cassette for a year. No issues.

[@stoneybowmann]

I just installed the AXS T-type derailleur on my Eagle drivetrain. I used a new Eagle chain and I put a spacer in behind the cogs. I found it works great! What I had to mess with was the spacer sizing. I found that the shifting was off just enough that the microshift adjustment wasn't enough. It was a little laggy around gears 4-5, even at the #12 position of microshift. I ended up using a 1.5mm spacer and that seemed to work. I've ridden it a handful of times and found that while riding on the trail the shifting was better than on the stand or in the parking lot. So far, so good! I'll upgrade chain, cogset and chainring as they wear. Bike is 2023 Ibis Ripmo V2S.

[@stoneybowmann]

The reason I did this, btw, was to use the old AXS Eagle derailleur on my mullet gravel bike. I upgraded the shifting for that setup, too. I am now fully AXS shifting on both mountain and gravel. No going back!

[@LoveMTB]

What is that you love on the AXS/ electronics?

[@stoneybowmann]

@@LoveMTB The precise shifting and ease of dialing in the adjustments. Also less cables creates a cleaner look. Biggest minus is keeping track of battery charging.

[@billydeewilliams8909]

I really don't feel like spending all the money to go up to transmission for my e-bike, but I really want to keep using SRAM components, and I've been thinking about using a flattop e-bike rated chain on my regular old Eagle drivetrain. Thanks for checking it out.

[@LoveMTB]

Have you considered CUES for your eBike? You'd be amazed...

[@billydeewilliams8909]

@@LoveMTB I have, and all other things being equal I'd just run Shimano mechanical. The XTR chain in particular I've heard amazing things about, and it's e-bike rated. The reason I want to keep using SRAM is that I have three other bikes with SRAM Eagle 'train and I'd really like to maintain compatibility across the fleet, for now at least.

[@LoveMTB]

@ that makes sense

[@pacosenderos]

Muy buen video, buenas conclusiones , muy util las compatibilidades de los dos grupos. Enhorabuena !!!!

[@LoveMTB]

De nada

[@danielpatino81]

all I did was to order a bare GX T-Type Derailleur, and used all my AXS old version set up, I just Added a 1.5mm spacer in the driver and set my micro adjustments at 13 and everything works very smooth. Then Ill be replacing parts to T-Type as the time comes!!!

[@LoveMTB]

Thanks for sharing. What's the lure of t-type?

[@danielpatino81]

@@LoveMTB the biggest thing is no dealing with derailleur hangers, I was spending too much time checking if the hanger was straight all the time, also constant adjustment when other components start to wearing down. Im actually looking forward for the new cable actuated T-type system that is supposed to be coming soon, dealing with batteries is the downside of the system from my point of view.

[@woduk]

Like these videos as no one else seems to think about it

[@sybarite5videos]

I'm running an xt drivetrain w a xo axs (non t-type)derailleur it works great for the last 3 years . (but is on its last legs now) MY QUESTION - I wanna put xo t-type, chain, derailleur and cassette (yes I know I need XD) but I want to keep using my xt 165mm cranks w power meter of possible.... does anyone make a ttype compatible chain ring I can install on a shimano direct mount crankarm. (I really don't wanna have to replace BB and buy a new power meter if I can avoid it !)

[@jailbreakoverlander]

Good to know my T Type rail 9 has already eaten a t type cassette and chain at 400 miles. I think the bike was setup improperly by trek dealer tho. not sure

[@LoveMTB]

eBike?

[@jailbreakoverlander]

@@LoveMTB yes does that change things?

[@Sebastian-di8ko]

And even SRAM RED or Force road chains are the same like T-Type chains. Great video. Thx 👍😊

[@LoveMTB]

You mean like in this video? - kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWOrqYOvpsqFnck

[@soldier42mp92]

Good video!

[@systemsbroken]

I have tossed on a rear wheel with XX1 gears and it works perfect under my XX SL Trans. Front end is Rotor Kapic (oval) with CaneCreek/Rotor BB.

[@LoveMTB]

With no spacer?

[@Svenmpa]

How about a Shimano 12sp chainring with T-type drivetrain? (chain, derailleur, cassette)

[@LoveMTB]

I guess I have to make one more video 😊

[@troitskiy51]

@@Svenmpa It works fine, I use T-Type derraliur on my intense E-bike, and there is shimano cassete, but used full range micro adjustment.

[@Svenmpa]

⁠that's great, but my question regarded a Shimano chainring.

[@LoveMTB]

@@Svenmpa It's butter smooth, even better than X-sync 2

[@KSIXRIDER]

Nice rundown

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

I'm a 15%er! Awesome comparison and one that should really help a lot of people. I will say that the spacer behind an Eagle cassette is a hard no go for me. I'm still on X01 AXS and have been kicking around trying a T-type chain with it but am too chicken because of the roller size differences, but maybe I'll give it a go on Old Greenie with its Garbaruk cassette and chainring and see what happens.🤔

[@LoveMTB]

Welcome back my friend!😉 It's not just the rollers...the fact that it is narrower can cause premature wear on the shift ramps of the old cassette so not good reasons to do it. My 0.02...

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

@@LoveMTB Totally agree 👍

[@duncandoughnuts_za]

With the larger rollers... I wonder if you can use a new T-type chain with an older worn Eagle Cassette ? where a normal 12 speed chain slips ?

[@LoveMTB]

It's possible since the chain it's smaller in all dimensions but rollers. But that also means that the overall cassette is worn so your shift ramps. Narrower chain doesn't help much with that...

[@BiggieComponents]

Wow good to know! Thanks!

[@gren509]

BRILLIANT - thank you so much !!! What about just a 1mm spacer behind the cassette and using the App to align on that ??

[@LoveMTB]

Guess a follow up video is needed😊

[@rosskersley2163]

Yes please! I had this exact thought.

[@justsomedude7556]

you could probably use the XDR hub body with the spacer and you would have plenty of engagement on the threads. Much like you would with a mullet setup on a gravel bike that uses the XDR hub and the 10-52 cassette. You have to run a spacer on that and it works perfectly.

[@LoveMTB]

XDR with spacer = same as XD without spacer so...no😉

[@justsomedude7556]

@@LoveMTB Isn't the XDR hub wider than the XD? I was thinking with the additional width and the spacer, that would push it out a few mm's. Don't have a XD driver, so will have to bow to your knowledge since I have not been able to test it.

[@martinadamboon6254]

I was thinking the same. Has anyone tried it though? I would love to run a transmission derailleur on my gravelbike. I use a mullet eagle set-up and like it very much. I am not too intrigued into the new 13 speed xplr gravel setup although one gear more is fine but I don't see much use in spending it on a 46 tooth cog. Thanks

[@cpopte]

"Vechiul" eagle...axs. Nu vad rostul pretului pentru T type, insa lantul flat top imi place. Bun review ! Multumim din nou. De data asta am scris in romana...:)

[@LoveMTB]

:) cu placere. Ce iti place la lantul flat top?

[@wadeinbc]

I have a super boost, XO one crank set and bottom bracket that I want to use with a T type chain a T type cassette and a T type derailer. Will this work. I do know that the super boost plus crank it sets up a chain line of 56.5 mm. Would I need to move the spacers on the crank and bottom bracket to 1.5 mm in board.

[@rasmusredfire2667]

Hi - so would a gx fat 5 crank - pg-1230 cassette - gx axs t-type derailleur - gx t-type flat top chain work together ? I got 5 wheelsets all with HG….thanks for the videos and the good explanations:-) happy trails

[@lefthorse1]

I use GX Eagle chain ring , 12 speed GX grip shift ( 2 speed grip shift for the dropper !!! ) NX cassette with black T-type chain and Finish Line ceramic wet lube , absolute phenomenal system

[@LoveMTB]

Very interesting mix, happy trails!

[@davewallace9048]

What about on Onyx hubs they already require you to put a spacer behind the cassette because they use the road XD driver. I just ordered the new transmission GX derailer I want to run it with my Onyx hub wheel set. Will this work? Using my order eagle XX one cassette?

[@LoveMTB]

Same issues as described here you would gust go for 2 spacers

[@jean-lukelaureau7851]

Will the t-type cassette work with a bike that runs a quick release system that has hub with an xd drive freebody?

[@LoveMTB]

No same as the example here on the cassette

[@wadeinbc]

I have a super boost, XO one crank set and bottom bracket that I want to use with a T type chain a T type cassette and a T type derailer. Will this work. I do know that the super boost plus crank it sets up a chain line of 56.5 mm. Would I need to move the spacers on the crank and bottom bracket to 1.5 mm in board. Love your videos btw! Very detailed

[@LoveMTB]

Take a look at my recent video on DUB vs DUB wide BBs for details

[@wadeinbc]

@ I have and it doesn’t answer the question that I’m posing.

[@Mr.63.]

I have no issues with using a t-type cassette with an old gx derailer on a udh frame. Requires a 3mm spacer between the cassette and the udh hanger.you can machine this piece. Flawless shifting on load.

[@LoveMTB]

SO you stretched the spacing in the rear of the bike to make room for the spacer?

[@Trailblazerz710]

So it’s funny you posted this video. I actually just recently had to service my eagle GX and wanted to get the 5dev oval chain ring. I took it to my local shop and they said because they sent me a T-Type it’s not compatible but 5Dev told me it was 100% compatible so I’m probably just gonna pop that chain ring on there. I just have to make sure I have the spacers the same correct?

[@LoveMTB]

It will work just fine and feel free to play with the spacers as you wish to adjust the chainline 😉

[@Trailblazerz710]

@ I was worried I was gonna have to send it back I’m glad I don’t it’s a beautiful piece of work. I would say much higher quality than the absolute black when it comes to the metal quality

[@ivanfranjcec2950]

I have been driving various combinations for more than a year. Old cassette and chain, with new X0 derailleur, and drive with Absoluteblak sprocket, that combination does not shift well under load (I have a 1mm washer), new cassette, derailleur and chain with Absoluteblak sprockets works great, even with the old chain.

[@rasmusredfire2667]

Would a budget eagle cassette work with gx axs t-type derailleur - im running hg on all my wheels..also running sram gx fat crank….thanks in advance

[@ivanfranjcec2950]

Yes​@@rasmusredfire2667

[@RomanE_____]

If i remember correctly, there is a thick plastic coating on UDH, that can be trimmed to fit new cassettes

[@LoveMTB]

It's all metal...and you would go through that for what end result? 🙄

[@kevinclark9176]

@@LoveMTBwhat end result? The only cross compatibility that provides a benefit. Old mechanical with T-Type cassette & chain (as that’s where the magic is).

[@kek0r]

What about new t-type cranks and old eagle? This would be interesting since the powermeter options (especially the X0) are pricewise kind of interesting (around 400 € (X0) vs around 800 (XX1 Quarq) here in germany).

[@LoveMTB]

Using the new cranks in an old Eagle here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaelq4eMiMiCrsU As long as you're fine with the 55mm chainline or can adjust with spacers. Check my vid on DUB vs DUB wide BBs

[@kek0r]

@@LoveMTB thank you. will have a look :)

[@Bench_mark_113]

a simple spreadsheet with what works and doesn't would be super helpful. Also can Shimano cassette/chain work with Transmission?

[@dylanodegrande2858]

Lifesaving video

[@josh573a]

XDR driver is 1.85mm longer... wonder if it would work with the spacer a bit better

[@LoveMTB]

It would need 2 spacers to push the cassette out 1.85 mm

[@josh573a]

@LoveMTB maybe, but it might then allow the nylon bushing on the front of the cassette to be supported better

[@LoveMTB]

@@josh573a no it won't be any different than what you saw here with the standard XD driver

[@philophil1961]

Question is, work T-type rear deraillieur with eagle chain?

[@LoveMTB]

@@philophil1961 what about it?

[@philophil1961]

@@LoveMTBIf is possible to mix T-Type rear derailleur with eagle X01/XX1 set. Witch chain have to use. T-Type or Eagle? Try this anybody?

[@LoveMTB]

@@philophil1961 derailleur doesn’t dictate the chain, chainring and cassette are important

[@philophil1961]

@@LoveMTB Yes? I think about combination. Cranks XX1 SL, rear der. GX AXS T-Type, XX1 casete and GX Eagle chain. What you mean about it, please. Thank you.

[@bicylife6978]

Have you tried with a Shimano cassette?

[@smithandshortdogs]

So can you run Sramano? Microspline casette with a 2mm spacer?

[@LoveMTB]

@@smithandshortdogs I run Shramano with the old AXS check out my installation video. And you don’t have 2mm extra on that lock ring on the Shimano…or the 10t cog

[@esshoul]

I run old cranks with 8-bolt interface (meant for power meter chainring) with new "T-type" (hate that stwopid naming) 8-bolt chainring and rest are old 12 speed components

[@LoveMTB]

I hear you 😊

[@jackliang6061]

What chainring are you using? New t type 8 bold chainrings with 0 or 3mm offset?

[@esshoul]

@@jackliang6061 XX "t-type" 3 mm offset. BTW: I have also cranks with DUB wide axle which is around 5 mm longer and I do not recommend using DUB Wide - you can usually fit 3 mm offset chainring no problem and if you have problem you can use 0 mm offset. Wide axle means more spacers and it is dumb solution

[@jackliang6061]

@ it should fit. My chainline is 52 mm I’m mounting 3mm offset GX T-type chainring on the old Eagle 8 bolt power meter boost cranks(without the Quarq).

[@TheKikecampos23]

Se puede usar un casette t type en un pasador xx1 axs viejo? Con la cadena t type??

[@ff2e]

Very cool! Can you try shimano 12 speed with transmission? I've been running eagle axs with shimano 12 speed stuff for years currently and its been working great.

[@LoveMTB]

I have it here, all that's worth considering for now - kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYebZJKYgsp7nbM If not Whelltop can be an option - kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmSYYWOPa6mKbNk

[@ff2e]

@@LoveMTB Your first video got me to run the gx axis with shimano 12 speed. I've seen comments on reddit about people getting shimano 12 speed working with transmission with a spacer but like with the XD casettee. I was worried about thread engagement but on the lock ring and was thinking it might take having a custom lock ring machined.

[@philophil1961]

If is it true, so can I use Eagle(GX, X01, XX1) cranks, chain and casette with T-Type derailleur? Really? It will be great.

[@ChristianNrlyng]

What about running a Shimano cassette wheel with T-Type

[@LoveMTB]

I replied before with more details, it won't work. But you can get Wheeltop and make it work just fine with a Shimano cassette

[@alexanderfrolov1822]

interesting point is to use T-Type chain with worn out Eagle cassettes. Bigger rollers should feel worn out tooth better

[@LoveMTB]

but narrower chain on worn out shift ramps might be the end of that cassette sooner than otherwise. So compromises...

[@maisukurai524]

can old eagle derailleur use t type cassette?

[@LoveMTB]

as you see in the video....😉

[@virag1132]

that cassette with a spacer seems like a baaddd idea. i was never sure that those threads were enough engagement on that sram design anyway, and taking away half of those threads with a spacer is begging for something awful to happen. think of how deep the threads were on the body of a freewheel hub. and those were often 13-24 on a road bike!

[@LoveMTB]

I don't recommend it either. It's just for showing that it can fit, not that it's a good idea.

[@ignaciosevil1944]

i want to know if you can pair GX mechanical wilth dropbar shiter from sram or shimano

[@Peregrino.51]

Google ratio technology components

[@IamMatthewHarrison]

Do you have a new logo?

[@LoveMTB]

And I thought I could hide it till I do my year in review vid 😊

[@IamMatthewHarrison]

@ 🤐

[@martinadamboon6254]

As new t type cassette is 2.5 mm more outboard in regard to old eagle cassettes gravel and road cassettes with xdr drivers should work theoretically (on drop bar bikes) as xdr is 2.5 mm more outboard in regard to XD drivers. Has anyone tried it? Thanks

[@LoveMTB]

@@martinadamboon6254 got to get my hands on a XDR driver to try but you might be correct!?

[@martinadamboon6254]

@LoveMTB let us know!

[@LoveMTB]

@ will do. Don’t think it’s going to make a difference though, just saying. Would prob need 2 spacers to start with etc. Will let you know

[@sampah89]

Oh man, you are ruining SRAM's insatiable desire for unreasonable excessive profits with all these potential hacks! Joke aside, thanks for the review!

[@LoveMTB]

Challenge accepted😊

[@alexanderivanov6920]

there is no cassette mapping in mech software,it didnt know where are ramps cose no sensor on the cassette to position it .. older cassette shifts same way ,i am using it over an year already in paralel with new one on 2 sets of wheels .. and you didnt need 1.8mm spacer for the old one ,0,8mm is enough

[@LoveMTB]

Good to know. What's the lure of T-Type then if shifting is the same?🙄 And where did you get a 0.8 mm spacer for the freehub?

[@alexanderivanov6920]

@@LoveMTB there is benefits ,but not with shifting itself as its the same mechanism like older Sram Eagle AXS .. removing hanger makes things stiffer and it shifts better under load ,new cassette steps are better too ,bigger rollers - dont know ,maybe has some advantage .. but waiting for the ramps to shift - this is all marketing as it shifts instant when button pressed ,even without rear wheel installed .. about the spacer - its custom made ,and i picked the width so i can change the wheels without microadjust every time

[@LoveMTB]

@@alexanderivanov6920 I hear you, thanks for sharing.

[@LoveMTB]

@@alexanderivanov6920 And BTW this is how we slice through the SRAM marketing propaganda lol

[@paweldziubka]

Thanks

[@LoveMTB]

Welcome

[@Schwabz33]

This is all fine and dandy and I’m not being a jerk but if you look at the new transmissions, they designed to work under load with all these modifications and going to cheap man route you’re going to destroy something…😂 I can shift going uphill under full load and it’s very smooth I would not try this mixing hardware.. also why are you risking your warranty on anything really. I don’t know. I just seem to think that things are designed to work the way that they’re designed to work.

[@LoveMTB]

I've been trying things like this for the last 6 years or so, check my older videos on 12 speed. One is here - GX AXS install (with a twist) - kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYebZJKYgsp7nbM I do not suggest anyone doing it but you see in the comments that a lot of people try it.

[@jaroslavruszo]

Its working with Shimano M8100 cassette - kzbin.infobRq0_otSkT8?si=qsYTJpKSGlIQgLoA

[@LoveMTB]

The wheel will spin, the chain will stay on the cassette, yes. But similar to XD driver that Micro Spline was designed pretty tight there is no 2 mm slop in the assembly for the extra 2mm spacer

[@jaroslavruszo]

@ well. How is working on video is without modification but its on limit - no possibility to make micro adjustment. After I have modified end cup - I have grinding off 1.5mm what gave me nice window for adjustment. Since April everything works very well. I am using this Shimano XT cassette because I am using it with 7 chains. I am changing chain every 600km. Cassette have currently 5700km. All chains are still OK. After I will scrap XT cassette I will instal SRAM again.

[@LoveMTB]

@@jaroslavruszo Thanks for sharing, interesting setup

[@kevinclark9176]

Most of these are dumb, no benefit to running these combinations. But in an offhand 5 second comment you said the most important thing without knowing it; that unfortunately you can’t use a Transmission cassette with UDH. If you could then a X01 mechanical could be run with Transmission cassette and chain. The cassette/chain interface is what makes Transmission shift so well.

[@emailsucks98]

You can sand 2.5mm off the inside face of the UDH (from the portions that don't contact anything anyways). That creates enough clearance for the transmission small cog & chain. Just did this, works great!

[@PJchecky]

You look like normal Macdonald

[@alexandrtarasenko1531]

Nope! thats all I needed! I will now be looking for the bashguard chainring for me bike! Yes, I have bashed my regular chainring plenty!

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I'm not trying any of this personally since I'll avoid T-type like plague but it's very interesting to know 😊

[@LoveMTB]

@@LaurentiusTriarius I hear you 😎

[@systemsbroken]

Why? The T Type works so much better than AXS (XX1) shifting under load. Depends on your riding type - I, for instance fight day to day for XC KOM's.

[@LoveMTB]

@@systemsbroken because we have Shimano 12s? 😇

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

@@LoveMTB exactly 💯

[@silver_c1oud]

Bike Industry went downhill because of Greedy SRAM