Best BUDGET Wheelset for MTB??? - DT Swiss M1900 Spline, 370 3-Pawls HUB Quick Check

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

Great video again! I love me some DT Swiss wheels. There is a cool factory tour on KZbin showing their Poland factory where they hand build the wheels. I got my '21 XM1700s from Lord Gun and they were built in the Poland factory..... Love the tip regarding the valve stem when installing tires (and opposite when removing). So many people - even bike shop mechanics, don't know this simple trick to never have to use a tire lever again. Man I love your channel!

[@jevgeniardassov]

Had those same wheels on my 2016 YT Jeffsy, 4 years and zero problems, almost no maintenance required. Easy to recommend. No issues with the straight-pull spokes as well.

[@danscykeloskid]

Fantastic wheelset for it's price, I have used them on a lot of my builds, but now I will start using the Nukeproof Horizon V2. 102 points of engagement for a similar price. And quality so good, the pros are racing Enduro on them.

[@stepan.furman]

Thanks a lot for detailed review. As usually very clear and interesting. Looking forward to see your next build

[@pauls3616]

I had a set of the 1900’s on my trail bike for 3 years and had no problems with them. The hubs were slow to engage but they performed well and didn’t break the bank. Good video. Can’t wait to see the arc built up. Thank you.

[@Themilkmanskid.]

Some might argue "budget", but I love mine due to zero wear after tons and tons of wheelies and riding the trails. I got the 370 hub ratchet LN.

[@raulespinoza5819]

My configuration is : E1900 Front - M1900 rear (both 29er-boost) I just love them!

[@jailbreakoverlander]

i have these on my Bulls Copperhead they are tough rims

[@jailbreakoverlander]

@@LoveMTB i put 500 on mine on a 52 lb ebike with 230lb riderthru super chunky wet terrain they dont even have a ding schwable 2.6 on them

[@william_2610]

I've been running 25mm M1900s on my agressive hardtail since July with around 2000 miles on them. I've done some extremely rough riding and theyre still dead straight , cased jumps, slammed them into roots and rocks with the rear outliving 3 torn maxxis tyres (tubeless at 26/28 PSI F/R). Been extremely impressed; especially with that back one as it gets completely abused and all it has to show is a tiny flat spot. My previous WTB rim cracked after a few months. The stock bearings aren't great though

[@william_2610]

@@LoveMTB Well, I think I must have jinxed it... The rear wheel finally met it's match as the pinned joint has failed 🙁

[@william_2610]

@@LoveMTB Yeah will be trying to. Pretty sure it was an unlucky big hit though as it's slightly dented where the seam is. Ill probably end up rebuilding it with an EX471 rim which should be a lot stronger. Still has my recommendation though as it's put up with a lot!

[@nenobike]

Been riding xm1700 over four years now. Newer had any issue during this time. Been changing front bearings last week for the first time and rear bearings two times during this four years. If anybody thinks of buying this, you cannot go wrong with dt swiss. Tip; go for 1700 wheelset, you get lighter wheels, rachet and dt350 hubs. Regulat service is simple with no tools needed. Bearing change should do mechanics or you can buy special tool online for rear hub.

[@dennismicallef9350]

I got a set of xm1700 spline over the winter. They transformed my bike. Somehow, my 29er feels smaller, not just lighter. Maxxis tubeless tires mounted without levers, and sealed with a floor pump. Easiest tire mount of my life. I spent the extra $100 for the 54t ratchet too. They sound so good, and engagement feels instant to me.

[@MrDistill]

That’s great news for me. I just started riding some in March. I do love them so far. How often do you lube your free hub?

[@nenobike]

@@MrDistill since the service is very simple, i do it every couple of months or so. Less grease means more music for my ears.

[@mehdi2pac1]

I was just about to click on pay for a set of these wheels and your KZbin notification came up!!

[@joshparsons232]

Where are you buying them from? Everywhere I have looked is sold out

[@mehdi2pac1]

@@LoveMTB yes ! Thanks for the video keep it up ;)

[@mehdi2pac1]

@@joshparsons232 it's available on bike components and bike discount, German websites

[@Miro_K]

Riding these since1 year now no problems really strong rim!

I just switched from the previous gen M1900 23.5mm to the current 30mm… great value.. i also converted them to Ratchet with the Ratchet LN kit!

[@MagpieManny]

Was it just getting that one kit? I believe these wheels are mounted on my upcomming bike.

And the 2 tools for the 3 pawl and ratchet lock rings. I got them from ebay (not the Dt Swiss original ones) or you could ask your local shop to do the lock ring switch for you kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJepc5-Co7xpqck

[@JohnBJr]

These came standard on my Orbea hardtail along with Maxxis Ikons. No regrets after riding these on tasty Santa Cruz mountain trails.

[@Silkl4sh]

Been finding those for years and I gotta tell they're great.

[@Silkl4sh]

@@LoveMTB i used 27.5 version of those for trail/Enduro riding for like 4 years. Though I had to replace the rims for each wheel after hitting the rock really hard i still recommend those. My gf got a new bike 3 weeks ago with the same wheelset and I'm sure 29 inches will do great as well. On the straight spokes I have to say that system DT wheels don't have loosening problems, however my friend replaced his DT swiss rim with WTB i29 after damaging his rim and the some of nuts got loosened a little.

[@michaelcallarman7720]

I did the star rachet upgrade awesome set of wheels. Only issue rear dented pretty bad after 1700 miles.

[@michaelcallarman7720]

@@LoveMTB ended up springing for some Carbon rims. Still have those wheels as a back up.

[@maxwellcunningham8908]

I've had these rims for a year and they're great, the rear hub is a different story though. After a few months my drive ring stripped and I replaced both front and rear hubs with a set of hydras. I've taken these rims through windrock and a countless amount of jump cases. Even cracked my rear triangle and sheared my shock bolt and the rims are still fine. I love these rims, super strong, but the hubs arent amazing

[@alifallah1954]

Thank you . Do you know what spline mean here ?

[@kevinborovsky3558]

Thanks again for another informative video. Keep saying it you need a show on TSN. I like the look and specs of these rims and would use them on a build for sure. Speaking of is the upcoming build the '" Red Octane Prone"???

[@Papaciclista]

How much more have to spend for shimano micro splined , so i want and idea if i have to go to M1700 or keep these, thanks

[@piercewasmund2042]

I like your reviews. Thanks for the content

[@superawesomefuntimego]

Good informative video! I had M1900's come on my Niner Rip 9 RDO. Was not a big fan of the engagement and weight. They are tough, solid and dependable but I sold them and picked up a hand made set of Race Face ARC 30's 29" with i9 101 hubs and CX-Ray spokes for just over $700 (which is about $200 more than the 1900's I think) that were 1780g taped and with valve stems which I liked much, much more.

[@TCK71]

I have these as a cheap and easy upgrade on my old hard tail to go tubeless with Maxxis tyres. I think they’re pretty good for the price.

[@viniciovieirajr.]

Wonderful wheel set!!!

[@Goldbond-nf2wk]

Dude, love your videos. So much helpful info. Your videos helped me build enough courage to build my own bike. Thanks!

[@Goldbond-nf2wk]

@@LoveMTB yeah I watched that before starting and had to watch your drivetrain video ~10 times before I figured out I had the stopper plate tab on the wrong side of the derailleur hanger. Literally that’s the only thing during the ENTIRE build that I couldn’t pick up from your vids. It looks like the sealed outer cap with tongue comes standard in the xtr derailleur hardware now too. Would love a vid on your suggestions for cockpit cable orientation for those of us who are OCD and obsess about whether the dropper cable/L brake cables should cross over or under the right sided cables.

[@karolszmontek2418]

@LoveMTB What is your opinion about this wheelset? Would you choose them for XC bike like Giant Anthem 1 (2021) or better stay with 25mm rims? I dont really know which one choose 30 or 25mm?

[@karolszmontek2418]

@@LoveMTB Well I usually use set of Schwalbe tires like Racing Ray/Ralph 2,35. I dont know if I care so much about weight, just installed dropper so hmm it is much different? What would you do at my place? Its Giant Anthem full for XC :P

[@karolszmontek2418]

@@LoveMTB So would you choose to my XC bike which set of wheels? Like you dont really care about weight. M1900 or X1900?

Tip. If you want to upgrade your 370 hubs with LN Ratchet kit. Do it as fast as possible. My ratchet ring is so tight that it broke my tool, in the vise.

@@LoveMTB I bought my kit through Whizz-wheels 😁

[@philippjansen8545]

@@LoveMTB Could you send a link of the conversion kit? I can't seem to find it on their page. Thanks!

[@silver_c1oud]

Finally i was able to get my Hands to one of these wheelset X1900 but the 2022 version that comes with Ratchet. To my Own surprise the Hub is indeed too slow when in comes to engagement, slower than my Stock hub which is Shimano MT 401 B having 18T stock star ratchet, but no worries since its upgradable to 54T. overall its worth-it 🥰 DT made conversion to 54T easier in these 2022 Models

[@silver_c1oud]

@@LoveMTB Still Waiting for your Review 😁

[@thehappyone3883]

Another very helpful video. Thank you.

[@alex1231235]

Good choice for your ARC. I have them on mine and they’re great!

[@alex1231235]

@@LoveMTB Yes... What do you think about the EXC 1501? Pricey and a rough ride? Would one really notice the weight difference?

[@mwinner101]

Me too! 👍

[@ericappiah5235]

It’s so convenient I love it

[@makingPAIN]

Running the H1900 wheel set through DT. 1 year in and not bent, had some smokes come loose. But other than that the wheels take a massive beating.

[@makingPAIN]

@@LoveMTB the whole wheel set looks eerily similar. Almost like they changed only the stickers 😆. When I got mine I remember they were entry level E-Bike enduro wheels. And I need something strong not featherweight.

[@Ropetable]

I had these on my ebike for 10000km, never went out of true, despite hard use outside of intended terrain. I bought a set for my "budget hardtail" its amazing value for money. If i can afford it, i would build my own wheel or get a carbon wheelset. I built a 1000g mtb wheelset with berd spokes and carbon rims, dt 180 hubs.

[@Ropetable]

@@LoveMTB not if you build them yourselves with superlight xc rims.

[@timshanemelton]

Very informative video & links in description; Thanks

[@UnEmploymentDude]

I've had my Spline 1900 for 2 years. 2 frames. Hubs have been flawless. I've upgraded the rim since. with the LN upgrade kit, I have very little reason to upgrade to 350s.

[@cliffordrichardc]

is that possible insert inner tire

[@onewheelboyz]

How is the hub sound with the 3 pawls loud enough?😅

[@LoveMTB]

Depends on what grease/ oil you use. Some like it quiet you know😊

[@artoutlawphoto]

They just update the wheelset with the ratchet system and its the old one LN 18 not the exp, so if you have a 54 ratchet in the house you can also upgrade it, as the new wheelset comes with the 36 ratchet. Also in Europe its around 70€ more expensive then the pawl system, i don't know if that is because the old model its a discount price or its because everything its more expensive now. Thx for the video.

[@DM-hw4cr]

My M 1700 set has not needed tuning for 1 year .the star ratchet system is super easy to lubricate. Tooless!

[@TeamCykelhold]

I didn't like my set of m1900 that came on a bike I bought from new. The rear hub bearing felt rough and the wheel didn't spin freely. Other than that, it was an okay set of wheels. It was before the conversion to ratchet became supported by DT. Before that you could still do it but you had to source the correct seal from elsewhere since DT didn't make one as far as I know. I'm sure I could have warranted them but since the bike was bought in another country and over the internet and I didn't want to be without wheels for months, I just rode them how they were.

[@Aaron-nj8xb]

Can you give a review for dissector and minion dhr 2 tires? Thankss 💞💞

[@moussaouiaabdi78]

How thick are the wheels?

[@jasonsheridan6222]

Great review again as always! I would really love to hear your opinion on the Bontrager 30 Line Comp 30 wheel set. With its rapid 108 engagement point hub and reasonable weight of 1955g. $470 gets you the front and rear which seems like a steal for a high engaging name brand wheel set. Am I missing something?

[@jasonsheridan6222]

@@LoveMTB Thanks for the reply. I think that was correct for the previous year hub and people would add three extra pawls themselves to upgrade the 54 point hub into the 108. The 2021 version of the Line Comp 30 comes with the 6 pawls already installed and the TLR tubeless insert + valve included. I was in my local Trek dealer and ordered a rear wheel (coming in Aug?). The owner could hardly believe the value on the 2021 wheels as they used to charge $30 for the tubeless setup (front + rear) and $40 for pawls and springs! Here's the 2021 wheel set: www.trekbikes.com/ca/en_CA/equipment/cycling-components/bike-wheels/mountain-bike-wheels-wheelsets/bontrager-line-comp-30-tlr-boost-29-mtb-wheel/p/34498/?colorCode=black

[@jasonsheridan6222]

@@LoveMTB Have you had any issues with water ingress into the hubs or premature wearing of the bearings? It just seems like too good a deal for a high engaging hub, which usually start at nearly double this price. Thanks so much for your time. Love MTB is my most trusted KZbin review site.

[@Perception_]

I got the XM1700 on my Pivot Switchblade and they seem fine. I would like a silent hub though.

[@Perception_]

@@LoveMTB Still aluminum wheels and you can easily get a lot more expensive, so I don't consider these as an expensive set of wheels.

[@Perception_]

@@LoveMTB Yeah, that's true, but sourcing parts and building it yourself can make it more doable. It's just something I would like one day because to me that should just be the norm.

[@Gleeleeglee]

Just got a sb115 and the DT swiss 370 sound muted is it because of the grease and not oil? Its low pitch. I also feel vibrations from chain stay if I put my left hand on it and right hand lifting up the saddle up with hand.

[@jorgehumbertofariastello1775]

hello, between hubs KOOZER and hubs DTSWISS, which is better? Thank you

[@petayV8]

Replaced my stock carbon wheels with someXR1501 with 180s on XC rig and love them

[@TheChrisDecember]

What wheels and hubs do you use on your TREK Marlin?

[@mtbboy1993]

Have you tried Michelin tyres? if so I recommend to try Michelin Wild Enduro if you want enduro tyres. so far i am impressed with them. great cornering and transition, the front tyre takes the extreme turning angles better without the side knobs squirming, much heavier but very supportive and well turning tyres and roll well too despite the weight. for the riding I do they are great. but so far only few rides on them. they are 2.40 and work well on even as narrow rim as my 23mm. They are easy to install too, I think they are easier to install than Maxxis even with narrow rim and Cush Core Pro.

[@best1011]

Price? For 2

[@thomaskuhn6541]

So you're going dual compound Maxxis on the front and 3C on the back? I thought it was the reverse, 3C front for better grip and dual on the back for less rolling resistance and better durability?

[@lukasmtb8937]

Should these end caps ar the front hub Move up,down and for side to side? And mine are squeaking

[@lukasmtb8937]

@@LoveMTB but what is with the squeaking its permanent

[@polishguywithhardtospellna8227]

I see my Trek's wheels for sale regularly as OEM, taken off new bike or used for really cheap and not very popular at all. Called Line Comp 30, and on paper they are very competitive in every department. J-bend, just under 2100g, 54 POE with affordable upgrade option to 108, triple bearing in freehub(2 on the pawls side), 29mm internal. For now I can recommend them for budget buys if you can find them as unwanted stock wheels locally. They do need tensioning after initial 200-300km though. OEM don't come with Trek's reusable rubber tubeless strips or valves, so don't feel cheated.

[@polishguywithhardtospellna8227]

Also I modded freehub to have 3 hardened square wire(modelling shops, hardening by myself), after having them CNC slotted to accommodate the wire strips as anti bite guards. They're un-bite-able now 😂

[@Leo-wf7qc]

What about Dt Swiss M1900 30mm Spline vs Sunringle Duroc 35mm? Isn't the Duroc better?

[@Leo-wf7qc]

@@LoveMTB I mean, the value for the money. Anyways I wanted your opinion since you own both

[@geovanemaia9307]

Seus vídeos são muito bons, e rico em informações. 🇧🇷

[@Paganiproductions84]

i have the same wheels in 25mm wide they don´t thing i don´t like about the somewhat slow whit for getting up to speed because of their heavy weight.

[@jackfrost-fu7hz]

DT Swiss must make a lot off of upgrades, you think you are getting a good upgrade by getting their products but if you want them to operate at a higher level you have to spend more and get the ratchet upgrade. I had custom wheels made with DT 481 rims and 350 hubs, I was surprised how bad the engagement was with the 18 tooth ratchet they came with, so I had to spend another $100.00 for the 54 tooth ratchets. If I knew that before I bought them, I would had taken the extra 100 dollars and upgraded the hubs by getting some I9's, KG, or Hopes.

[@markus74141]

Great video! I had these wheels in 23.5 and now on my Mojo HD3 with 30mm width. I also want to upgrade to 36 or 54t star ratchet. However as far as I know the upgrade to the ratchet system is not simply done with the normal upgrade kit. You additionally need the 3-pawl and the ratchet ring nut tool. These you need to change the ring nut and. Finally you will need a new free hub body. Is that true or am I missing something/thinking to complicated...?

[@markus74141]

Thanks for your answer! I will do it...something new I can tinker with;-)

[@markus74141]

@@LoveMTB finally did it! The kit was unavailable but I bought the components separately. No shop in Munich had the proper tools, so I bought the tools as well. Work perfectly. However getting the ring but out is next to impossible;-) Works perfectly! Have fun with your wheel set. If you need the name and serial number of the components, just tell me…

[@Bloodraw83]

Hi there Im wondering whats the difference between the M,X and E of the 1900 model Also can i use 11 speed shimano cassette on the 12x148 boost version?

[@Bloodraw83]

@@LoveMTB I see ;) Thx for the answer

[@bigmikeshooter]

Very interesting...Greetings from Greece....

[@OneCosmic749]

I have the H1900 35mm in the front and H1950 classic in the back on my ebike for quite some time after i needed to upgrade them because of fork change and rear hub scratching noise on cheap original wheels however i am looking to upgrade at least the rear wheel soon to HX531 35mm rim and 350 Hybrid hub custom wheel on a 10x135 axle instead of 5x135 QR. Will see how much stiffer the back end will be with this, also i want that Ratchet system sound instead of Pawl - Ratchet system conversion kits not available yet and i think it will take a long time after they appear on the market in the current situation.

At least in Europe they are starting to show up. I ordered mine 3 days after the release of ratchet LN, and had them in my hands about 3 days after that. They appear to have them in stock still whizz-wheels.de/shop/naben/ratchet-ln/

Yeah, seal on the ratchet LN is mounted solidly on the freehub body, just like the 3 pawl ones

[@ΑλέξανδροςΣόφτας]

Can you do a video on dt swiss x 1900 spline 22.5 please

[@ΑλέξανδροςΣόφτας]

is the sound the same between the dt swiss x 1900 spline and the m 1900 spline?

[@jamble7k]

fyi on my xm1700s i had to buy a larger front centrelock lockring to fit over the 15mm axle endcaps, a standard cassette tool won't fit with the normal dt swiss lockring SM-HB20 is the part

[@TPV07]

would be great except it is centre lock and straightpull. We had a whyte ebike in our shop the other that with dt straithpull centrelock hubs. The brake that were specced on it were too weak for the customer. He wanted hope v4-s unfortunately the rotors do no work with the adapter. he had to buy new wheels as well as the new brakes. I know it is easer to build straight pull for the machines, but there is no advantage to them. I see one or two wheels where the spokes fail every months, they are in every case straight pull hubs. IDK why, they are supposed to be stronger but they are not. The spokes rotate too when you are truing them, unless you have the roval spoke holder which is like 80usd good luck truing them. Also I find the centre lock rock forward and backward after a while even though it is torqued up. The other thing I do not get is alloy nipples. I had to rebuild about 10 h1700 straightpull wheels this year with brass nipples, they go out of true quickly and 3-6months in the alloy nipples start corroding (at least here in the UK) and break constantly. What are you experiences guys? Why do you think there is such a big push for centre lock and straighpull nowadays? (chris king went to centrelock only now I think :(. At least dt offers every option in their line up.

[@davidchkhartishvili9845]

Which rims are you using for your wheel builds? Thanks!

[@davidchkhartishvili9845]

@@LoveMTB Thanks! Any particular reason why you're choosing these over DT Swiss rims?

[@davidchkhartishvili9845]

@@LoveMTB Going to build my first wheel, thanks for interesting option!

[@davidchkhartishvili9845]

@@LoveMTB Sure! Reading Roger Musson's book right now 🙂

[@davidchkhartishvili9845]

@@LoveMTB Just finished building my first wheel! I chose to stay with my current rim (DT Swiss M502) and almost regretted. I found small dent during wheel building, but it was really small and didn't affect the process. Roger Musson's book is superb in providing fundamentals and step-by-step instructions for beginners. I used he's drawing to machine plywood dishing tool in local CNC shop :). Going to first ride tomorrow, will pop into LBS afterwards, to get a seal of approval :) Thanks again for your awesome content and advises. Cheers from country of Georgia, keep videos coming ✌️

[@davidchkhartishvili9845]

@@LoveMTB It's just a one ride, but wheel feels light and quick, especially in berms. I might attribute this to new hub, but I think it's a combination. BTW, never had high POE hub, but came across a really good deal on Spank hex drive with 102T and pulled the trigger. Surprised how much easier to balance/ratchet on the bike on slow speed switch backs both up and down. All-in-all, really excited how it came out, it is so rewarding when you fix/build staff yourself and generally, I enjoy this technical side of mountain biking on the same level as riding. Cheers!

[@jackman196q1]

There pretty good until you deform the free wheel body whit the cassette if you do alot of climbing

[@silver_c1oud]

Hows this wheelset running sir? is it bombproof? specially the rear hub?

[@silver_c1oud]

@@LoveMTB Thank You Sir. im planning to get the x1900 for XC.. somehow im hesitant with the rear hub issue.. Thanks For the Reply

[@silver_c1oud]

@@LoveMTB Last Question Sir.. would you recommend this wheel set? or should i just Build from scratch like DT 350 with DT Allow rims? Or save my Money and went with these DT X1900? thanks for the Reply sir Cheers

[@sebastianjost]

How do these compare to the M1700? I have a rear rim from the M1900 but already dented it. Are the M1700s more durable?

[@and30ers]

All 1900 wheels use DT370 3-pawl hub, 1700 wheels use DT350 ratchet hubs 1900 and 1700 have same rims, low-budget DT non-welded rims with eylets like: X392/412/432 or M442/462/502/542/582 or E512/532 depending of X or M or E series and rim width. 1900 wheels use DT Champ 2.0 mm spokes. 1700 wheels use DT Competition 2.0/1.8/2.0 mm butted spokes. All wheels use DT Squorx alu nipples. DT 1501 wheelsets use DT240 hubs, premium XR/XM/EX welded rims, DT Competition spokes, Squorx alu nipples and PHR washers under nipples.

[@wonderwatch2239]

@@and30ers As I se them, the rims are different, the 1700’s haven’t got eye let inserts, therefore it’s a different rim... and the 1501’s are carbon now...

[@and30ers]

@@wonderwatch2239 The new for 2021 DT Swiss XM1700's are great alu wheelsets. The "old/retired" M1700 have same rims as old/current M1900, as per my specification above, and the old/retired XM1501 have welded XM421/481/521 etc rims. The new XM1700 have same XM (welded) rims as the XM1501. XM1700 get the new generation of DT350 hubs where XM1501 had old/retired 240s hubs. The new XMC1501 and XMC1200 both have carbon rims, on 240EXP hubs + round CompRace 2.0/1.6 mm spoke and 180EXP hubs + bladed Aerolite spokes, respectively. To be exact, the XMC1200's in 29" version get AeroComp spokes on rear driveside. Same goes for DT Swiss two other series of wheelsets: Enduro with E/EX/EXC wheels and Cross Country with X/XR/XRC wheels. The X1900 wheelset should really be named R1900 instead, for 100% logic in naming cross entire MTB rim/wheel range. But "R" was already used by DT's Road family of of wheels. The option would then be to keep "X" for their XC family, and call the wheels X/XX/XXC.

[@sebastianjost]

@@and30ers that's a lot of helpful information. Thank you :)

[@DEXVD]

What are your thoughts on XC wheels? Seems like the Roval Control 29 Carbon is hard to argue with in terms of price, weight and warranty.

[@DEXVD]

@@LoveMTB I don't feel I would be ready to build my own wheel set even if I had the tools but could maybe have someone build them for me, what parts did you use that ended up being 40% cheaper than the Control Carbons? A carbon wheelset with good hubs for under $900 is pretty impressive.

[@and30ers]

I'm not that impressed with the quality of the cheap Roval Control carbon wheelsets that comes with bikes. My 30 mm wide 29" Roval Carbon rims were ok, kind of bullet-proof and 495 g each. Spokes were cheap 2.0 mm (400 g) and brass nipples (56 g), hubs were "Formula Taiwan boost xD" at 185 g front and 353 g rear, Roval rim strips 64 g. Total wejght 2048 g. Besides being very heavy and not keeping spoke tension, the pawls in the hub body did freewheel in booth directions after 3 weeks of use, link to my rear hub here kzbin.info/www/bejne/nombfqd8ftdmo5Y so I did rebuild with Hope Pro4 rear hub and replaced all front/rear spokes and nipples with better ones.

[@DEXVD]

@@and30ers I would think the Control 29 Carbon would resolve at least some of that with their DT Swiss 350 hubs

[@and30ers]

@@DEXVD I haven't found any good reason to dive into all iterations of Roval wheels since I don't think they provide good value. The cheapo Roval Carbon wheelsets shipped with $5000 bikes seem to have (or at least use to have in 2018/2019) cheapo Formula Taiwan hubs. After market Roval Carbon wheels seem to have proper DT Swiss hubs.

[@Dogtown13ful]

Update?

[@massimomusto1975]

Nice informative presentation, good budget wheelset, just the weight are a little porky because that 1900 was indicating also the weight with 21-23mm rims, now with larger rims 1900 indicates only the series and no more the weight that is at least 100-120gr more.

[@massimomusto1975]

@@LoveMTB yes sure good price point, but the serie 1900 started quite before the introduction of 25mm rims so probably they switched the reference size/configuration just to have one version that match that weight.

[@jesusramirez9155]

How much is entry level $200 entry level? or $2000 entry level?. Entry level without a price does not mean anything.

[@piciu256]

DT swiss is ok, I'm not a fan of the 1900 (370) hub though, it doesn't offer anything over say novatec, while having inferior sealing and weak pawls. That's my experience with the older version.

[@piciu256]

@@LoveMTB no issues doesn't mean there aren't better hubs, novatec imo is better in this price point, offers better sealing (DT swiss has none apart from dust shield and the bearings themselves) and 4 pawls with a stronger spring, versus 3 with a weak one, I've had much more skipping with the 1900 than the previous novatec hub, even tried cleaning everything and lubing with oil, not grease, if I were stronger, the pawls would have been destroyed for sure. The 370 afaik only has 2 pawls, which is unacceptable imo, while the 1900 has 3.

[@pacosenderos]

Muy buen video, con bastante informacion util. Enhorabuena

[@mazditzo]

HUNT wheels for entry-mid level for me, at least in my place, it’s cost the same like drswiss with 370 hubset

[@dvxShoeN]

They are Atsm Class 4 u can jump 120cm high 👍

[@olecranonrebellion9976]

Eyelets are good.

[@everywherelocal]

yeah! 👌

[@stvrstrucked7003]

This might be the first time I’ve seen ur face

[@muhdariq7034]

Same

[@polishguywithhardtospellna8227]

LoveMTB! Horrible thing has happened. Bought rd-m5100 and seems, just like datasheet says, that it does not work with 11-46 cassettes 😭 It is designed in a way, that you can't back out b-tension enough for the derailleur to get closer to biggest sprocket. There is hope if I swivel that part on hanger pivot around to front, so the b-tension bolt is resting directly on hanger. BUT I'm not fond to swap from ghetto setup, to modern ghetto setup, and not very willing to try to complete setting it up to see if it does work, cause I will mark the part, which might have to go back or get resold. I don't know what to do. So disappointed. Now the 100% option is rd-m5120, except I was considering going with 50 cassette when my legs decide, so that 5120 would not be future proof AND it seems manufacturers might be willing to lock us to ONE specific cassette size for specific derailleur. Nooooo 😭

[@polishguywithhardtospellna8227]

But then I guess 1 small tree stump and no derailleur is future proof 😅 Also I've looked at ritzelrechner . DE (best gear calc I've seen) and going from 46 to 50 on a 30t chainring doesn't really change much at all -0,5km/h speed at 90 cadence.

[@polishguywithhardtospellna8227]

@@LoveMTB well, I wonder if this 5120 beeing like a copy of older models, does it have more offset top jockey than m6000? It looks like a bit more offset, but the picture won't tell the truth. Maybe if I print the picture and then squeeze it really hard? Maybe then it will budge and spill everything? 😅 Thanks for replies, I did try 5100 on the stand in the end and scored the jockeys a bit, but should still be able to sell it. Demand is crazy when price is right. 5100 won't work with 46t. Brake outer cable inlet changes to extreme angle, and still ain't perfect shifting wise. All in all, I'm dropping the swap idea. I should cope with 46t for quite some time, and m6000 wasn't my best setup skills showcase, so did some improvements and will control and test a bit more. It's better already. I guess at least 1 more 46t cassette before I even got to consider going bigger (52 would make more difference, but Chinese cassettes availability might change by then, and we got some import heat from customs starting June) Still love 10sp, ultra light cassette, and tighter chainline (52t would require 11sp)

[@polishguywithhardtospellna8227]

@@LoveMTB oh 1 more thing: GS m6000 is almost identical between jockeys as SGS 5100. Didn't memorise offset, but I think it was 3cm Vs 4,5cm

[@amermeleitor]

For me a budget wheelset is more like basic budget non series Shimano wheels. The DTSwiss aren´t that cheap

[@HollyBoni]

It's so boring to see these comments under every bike related video that has "budget" in the title. Budget doesn't mean the cheapest/almost cheapest components/bikes available on the market.

[@amermeleitor]

@@HollyBoni it depends. If you live in Germany maybe. If you live in a poor country the difference is big. When a pair of wheels cost more than your income from a pair of months you can't say it is "budget", because you need money for food and basic things

[@johnykryll]

Have a set of HUNT wheels and they are simply awesome. Ultralight, no buckles and at a superb price. Beat everything out there including DTSwiss

[@chairmanmeow8388]

I had the x1900. The rims were made of cheese so I sold them. Sure these are better

[@chairmanmeow8388]

@@LoveMTB They're the same weight (1900g) but to be fair, they only had 19mm internal. Plus I'm heavy and had them on a trail bike instead of an xc rig. Sure theyre fine if you use them for xc

[@greybatm4]

I have these rims on my sb100, apart from the crappie engagement i think they are great wheels and i will be getting the hub upgrade

[@nycgmr]

Go for the x1700 30 mm, fast engaging ratchet , 100 $ adapter , No brainer.

[@greybatm4]

@@nycgmr came with the bike 👍🏻

[@mtbboy1993]

15 engagement, no thx. I have 8.1 deg on Hope Tech Pro 4 and want better.

[@xabierzuazola]

Gracias por los subtítulos

[@kofalin]

If you like wheels you gotta build them! Tools are cheap and free tutorials floating on internet. It’s just your “will” that’s missing 🥴🤦‍♂️🙂

[@kofalin]

@@LoveMTB sorry, it was a general statement aimed to comments readers. I learned by building a set of spank spike 33 with Shimano Slx hubs, spending less than $200 (reusing spokes), having that skill not only saves money but also gives many more options,,, cheers. I have watched many of your videos, although not all of them,,,,,,,,, YET!

[@mgoo1713]

convert them to star ratchet

[@Zohar-Modifier]

No to straight pull ... its actually straight screwed !!!

[@MartinTeerly]

I have very good experience with spanks wheels and Nukeproof. I'm well overweight and I ride hardtail. I also ride hard downhill and wheels stay true. DT Swiss 511 with pillar triple batted spokes and hope hubs make very good wheel 👍🏻

[@FirefighterBobby]

Wait a second Dt 1900 is a budget wheel...?!? This is a joke right? They cost as 3 months world average salary!

[@FirefighterBobby]

@@LoveMTB Hmmm... Am I spamming your videos? It just links up, not my intention. Well yes, we're spoiled! 3rd world gets the drugs cheaper tho'.

[@mathiasvanwynsberghe3061]

the 370 hubs are rubbish. Pawls break and engage awfully. Comes from a user with X1900's - Most def DO NOT BUY imho

[@mathiasvanwynsberghe3061]

@@LoveMTB nope, didn't ask either :) Positive thing is the parts are easily sourced, and not too pricey. Hated having to walk 10 miles though

[@rudiger86]

New phone who dis?