Low-IQ & Unfit Soldiers in Vietnam - McNamara's Morons

#shorts #history #vietnam #usa #war #coldwar #military #army #marines #airforce #navy #gmanhistory

[@ronbarnabei8226]

Is this what Forrest Gump went through?

[@iron4517]

Probably

[@Goldo97]

Yes it literally is.

[@Goldo97]

So did Bubba

[@astra6485]

Gump was a volunteer, bubba was drafted

[@nodinitiative]

​@@astra6485 as stated in the video, it gave both of them equal opportunity to be in the army.

[@TooLooze]

When I was drafted in 1969, if you could breathe, you were eligible.

[@jeffersondeleon925]

How do you see a draft in todays day and age ? You think all these sissy boys on tik tok and cross dressing would make it in a war like that ?

[@TooLooze]

@@jeffersondeleon925 You mean like bone spurs?

[@hueyfreeman6262]

​@@jeffersondeleon925so forcing people who aren't qualified to fight in a war is ok

[@adewilson132]

@@hueyfreeman6262he never said that he just asked a question.

[@bruno8126]

What about undocumented, illegal Mexican immigrants?

[@clementmckenzie7041]

My grandfather entered the Military under this program. He grew up extremely poor and had received very little education. He was illiterate, downtrodden, and suffered from low self-esteem. It was a very difficult time for him. He was pushed hard, belittled, called a Moron, and given the worst jobs to do. However, it changed his life. He learned to read, drive a truck, and accomplish things he was not expected to be able to do. He survived, returned home, got a job driving a truck, saved up, and bought his own truck, then two trucks hired his brother got some contracts and bought a third truck, hired a woman to drive it, over ten years he increased his fleet to 13 trucks. He married, raised a family put four kids through college ran his business, and retired comfortably. Thank you, Secretary McNamara, You provided my grandad with an opportunity and opportunity was all he needed to get started. You changed his life and two generations of his family's life.

[@koffi3415]

Just lucky .

[@ianaguilar8090]

@@koffi3415 literally bro the statistics say was way more likely to die than any of this happen very lucky man

[@thealienwatcher540]

@@ianaguilar8090 Those Statistics did not cover life changing aspects of some People. The whole point is that the Gov't investing in the Public is a good thing. US history’s greatest moments were during the age of invention when the gov't made a huge investment in the middle class during the 1940's to 50's & during those times the gov't was paying full college scholarships. The GI Bills, Subsidized Mortgages, Education became valued and a strong manufacturing base that saw massive marriage and household formation so men who were previously seen as losers got opportunities and became economically and emotionally viable and they raised great families. The reverse happened with the offshoring of manufacturing and a profit driven society that doesn’t value young men

[@Priinsu]

Thats why I always say It takes more than "IQ" to be successful. IQ is not the be all, end all.

[@Preservestlandry]

My dad had a college deferment and didn't have to risk his life for education. Thanks McNamara, for only targeting low IQs, I guess?

[@cuckbuttfurd170]

We need this movie, "McNamara's Morons".🐸👌🏻

[@dougearnest7590]

Can you imagine the meltdown just the title would cause. Then when they found out the bad guy was a Democrat put into office by JFK, well that just wouldn't fly. A movie called "Trump the Russian Spy" would get a lot more backing in Hollywood.

[@ashtraysghost4636]

You already got it. Full metal jacket's Leonard Lawrence "Private Pyle" Character was based on the many Stories of McNamara's Morons.

[@cuckbuttfurd170]

@@ashtraysghost4636 From the book "The Short Timers, which is a true story.

[@nv_chino]

😂😂😂 I’ll watch

[@Trackman71]

Technically Forest Gump has a portion of it when Forest goes to Nam.

[@HendrikPlukaard]

Some of them survived and are now the top military brass of the USA.

[@Mia-yq1mx]

😂

[@HendrikPlukaard]

@@jackchen801 The moment they began murdering civilians, they abandoned their Christian heritage. What they did with the poor guys they labelled as MacNamara's Morons is beyond comprehension. Sacrificing those whom you have to protect for nothing else than money an power is demonic. Now they're actively supporting Neo-nazis and are responsible again for the destruction of a nation. It's time that the USA gets deleted. That pest is unbearable for the world.

[@Clancy192]

Most came home and ran for office as democrats

[@cookie5535]

@@Clancy192 Actually the opposite. Republican states have the lowest IQ and least educated states in the nation, and dumbest least qualified politicians in the nations statistically, so they ran as Conservatives, because conservative voters are complete morons

[@ash_11117]

@@Clancy192That was smart of Johnson to do then.

[@blackbenetavo7715]

"Providing opportunities to the impoverished" is a heck of a spin of "taking advantage of people without any other options."

[@ianleonard3264]

I see what youre saying but one option is better than none option

[@LordVader1094]

​@@ianleonard3264Yeah especially when the government is removing options so you only have one left: theirs

[@nickkerr5714]

Sounds like lemons were turned into lemonade. What have other countries done with their impoverished citizens?

[@ianleonard3264]

@@LordVader1094 nobodies disagreeing nor does that negate what i said. Youre arguing your imagination

[@AverageAlien]

same thing

[@SparkyWaxAll]

It was very sad. Here in Richmond VA, long time residents still talk about these “he was stupid! He should have never been drafted!” friends who survived only weeks.

[@GaryDelabate]

“ Have you given some thought about your future, son” biggest bull💩 line ever.

[@MoisturefortheSoul]

That’s how they get them.

[@asdfghjkl82218]

Crazy that the rich politicians children didn't have to go to war

[@titanlord9267]

That was the whole reason. Drafting from them would make the war unpopular from the taxpayers perspective

[@thecreature456]

Yeah because the decades spent destablizing countries was meant tobmake them rich and kill the poor

[@seriousguy2160]

Given the right circumstances, there is a high probability that you would do exactly that

[@robertsanders5355]

CCR's Fortunate son, tells the story right there.

[@raymondfrye5017]

Senator's children didn't go to the war? Old story.

[@alexc8114]

"Opportunities for the impoverished" The opportunity to die?

[@theguy9208]

No, no, The GI bill and better wages than $0 back home is a guaranteed opportunity. Getting a state-sponsored closed casket funeral before then is only likely. Either way, the government wins.

[@02suraditpengsaeng41]

This comment sum up people mind after Vietnam Before then, become military is morale thing to people eye until mind evolve

[@thegooddoctor2009]

The idea was to give them technical training/job experience. Unfortunatly most were too low IQ to do anything other than gruntwork, so did not receive much training that would have transfered to the outside world.

[@aking3624]

Yep ...

[@roguerangerroger]

One way to get out of poverty

[@jonnuanez7183]

My uncle wasn't even 21 when he was killed during the Tet Offensive. My mom is still severely messed up about it to this day. And of course his parents, my g'parents, were as well. War deaths are a severe trickle-down effect on the families affected.

[@doubleedgedfist1535]

I’m sorry for your family’s loss.

[@jonnuanez7183]

@@doubleedgedfist1535 Thanks. It's all still a psychological trickle down, because my mother still relives it all to this day. It affects everybody.

[@MichaelCasanovaMusic]

I'm sorry about your uncle

[@HorizontalFallDamage]

​@@jonnuanez7183 hopefully yall can find closure 🙏

[@qwertyio4006]

The referal to them as "morons" is insanely disrespectful to those who fought unwillingly

[@mutalix]

The elite polticians and leaders have always thought of them as scrubs that fight their wars, they get wealthier, their military industrial complex gets wealthier and the scrubs come back broken both physically, mentally, and often times forgotten. They've managed to somehow fool these people to fight these wars for lofty but incorrect thoughts of virtues of freedom and democracy. They have gaslighted and lied for decades, maybe even longer. Relatively recently speaking.

[@Doxxingmesoftly]

When the shoe fits.

[@filipbabic6826]

Moron, idiot, imbecile etc were medical terms for people with certain physical and mental disabilities...the terms colloquialy started to be used as insults and slurs later in time

[@heli-crewhgs5285]

Your misuse of ‘insanely’ doesn’t exactly do them any favours either!

[@user-cg3sl8zu5c]

US calling their moron soldier moron 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@trainknut]

So that’s how Forrest Gump and Private Pyle got into the army.

[@ashleighelizabeth5916]

I'd say so but Pyle was a Marine not Army

[@lilchi721]

@@ashleighelizabeth5916 They were drafting people into the Marines as well as Army

[@ashleighelizabeth5916]

@@lilchi721 yeah duh I know. But the OP said how Pyle got into the Army. Read the sentence again.

[@Qwerty0791]

@@ashleighelizabeth5916 You’re smart enough to know the generic term: standing army vs US army. An army is an army, even if it’s made up of marines or sailors.

[@ashleighelizabeth5916]

@@Qwerty0791 A fighting force made up of sailors is a navy. It might be broken down into fleets, task forces or task groups. If the sailors are fighting but not assigned to a ship they might be a naval battalion or a naval company but they aren't called soldiers. A fighting force made of marines is a Corp or again if you want to go with a more localized term an Expeditionary Force. Even an army in the marines is not called an army it's called a division. If you had served or if you had family that had served you'd know that.

[@chairde]

During this time college students were exempt. So were government workers and farmers. The politically connected went into the national guard to avoid combat at that time. Some with money left the country. The draft was grossly unfair. Both my myself and my twin brother were drafted. I went to Vietnam and he went to Panama. Later I went to college on the GI bill. The poor always get drafted first. Then the handicapped.

[@Jin-1337]

When manpower is lowering, this happens. Look at Ukraine

[@filipinorutherford7818]

I am a twin if my bro got posted to a warzone I would request to go with him in his unit. Look out for each other.

[@gujwdhufjijjpo9740]

@@Jin-1337 - that doesn’t change what they said.

[@Kerys23a]

Good

[@caniform-craze2080]

​@@Kerys23a how good is it?

[@CoachDeeFree]

Still deserve the utmost RESPECT ❤

[@fahadashrafofficial]

For invading Vietnam? 🙄

[@ltrxl]

​@@fahadashrafofficialevil or not they still fought for their country

[@uh3287]

for the bravery of these men vietnam is now a prospering free country unlike North Korea. oh yeah, we also "invaded" South Korea too!@@fahadashrafofficial

[@movingforward-fc4lg]

Thank you 🙏

[@daywalker0988]

​@@uh3287 this is a great example of America's education system at work. The US lost the Vietnam war, the Vietnamese people stood up for their own freedom and kicked out the Japanese, French, Americans, Chinese, and went on to liberate Cambodia from the khmer rouge

[@grey59s]

All jokes aside. They were people, too. They; lived, loved, laughed, and served. More than I can say for myself. Just because they weren't as smart doesn't mean they deserve to be 💩 on. In high school I took at least twice as many notes as any other kids in class, studied, always showed up to class (I never once skipped a class ever!) and was a C student at best. I'm not sure my gpa was 2.0 even. And I tried. Maybe not as hard as I could have, but I made a goddamn good effort. I'm sure these lads did, too. Just because we're not as smart doesn't mean we don't deserve respect, or kindness. Most of us- we're trying our hardest. Please be kind to those less fortunate than you. You never know what a person might have went through or could be going through right now.

[@robertwguthrie3935]

Everyone is smart and gifted by God in some ways, not always recognized as such by others.

[@damiion666]

So u were the modern day Forrest Gump ?

[@robertwguthrie3935]

@@viewer6152 You nailed it. Everyone is worth plenty in their own unique way.

[@redcarpeteater6903]

When i was kid at home, there was two men that went to Vietnam and both came back severally wounded, mentally and physically. Mother said they weren't right in the head when they left and the war just made it worse. One was a tunnel rat, was shot and stabbed i dont know how many times, some said he was captured and tortured but i dont know. He walked around town wrapped in a green army blanket pulling a little wagon. Didn't matter the weather or season, he slept and lived on the riverbank. The other was a helicopter door gunner, got blowed out of the sky, burning him from head to toe. He was hard to look at, his face was melted. We lived across the street from the courthouse, in the yard were crosses with the names of soldiers going back to the revolution. He sat on a bench there all day, sometimes you could hear him crying. Mother said if she heard any of us making fun or mocking these men, we would never sit down again as long as we lived. I left home in the mid 80's, i dont know whatever became of those men.

[@darrellbakerjr4800]

Terrible

[@PeterNgola]

​@@darrellbakerjr4800terrible the way Vietnam vets were treated

[@salguodrolyat2594]

Your mom was a decent woman.🙏

[@dougearnest7590]

"Mother said if she heard any of us making fun or mocking these men, we would never sit down again as long as we lived." God bless your Mom.

[@adamgerald849]

Thanks for the story. You told it well.

[@jbgibson2026]

This system is now utilized by most cities to recruit new police officers.

[@michaelanderson4275]

Tah Dah !! ❤

[@Brian-ux3jx]

Is that why they have to fill out their application to the academy with a crayon? Makes sense.

[@GSXR-1000]

If you actually went through the process to become a police officer its not that easy to get in compared to the military lmao.

[@fortnitecustomssubs]

@@GSXR-1000 sure, but its worth it for you freaks because you get off on shooting the homeless and black people

[@Aaron-wq3jz]

@@GSXR-1000 and yet somehow their all overweight and out of shape

[@19372]

Treat them with HONOR!

[@eaw7456]

Why?

[@19372]

@eaw7456 because they served our country. I don't give a fuck what their IQ was. God bless everyone of them

[@Whatsthedealsquirter]

@@eaw7456 if you have to ask why you definitely don't belong here so get out and f*** you

[@Whatsthedealsquirter]

@@19372 obviously somebody's never done anything selfless cuz with a comment like that you can tell that they are a true regard

[@user-cg3sl8zu5c]

​@@19372US calling their moron soldier moron 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mbtenjoyer9487]

Damn they really tried everything in Vietnam

[@doubleedgedfist1535]

It was a screwed up war. Stupid and selfish politicians thinking nothing of those they sent to war.

[@509Heavydrop]

Now days they'll try illegal aliens 😮 dang 🤢🙄

[@derrickrobbins8100]

They still served with honor and deserve our respect

[@coryxmax819]

Truth

[@samcalven12]

So does McDonald’s workers who serve millions everyday with honor

[@rejectionistmanifesto8836]

They also were willing to kill civilians with honor if ordered and unquestioning just like many police these days. Even gang members and left wing extremists are being enrolled in the military and police

[@FreddyD177]

@@samcalven12 they don’t face death everyday that doesn’t compare to what these men had to go thru

[@jaydensnowden7266]

@@samcalven12possibly one of the dumbest things ever written on the internet. Pure idiocy.

[@kjvstreetpreacher]

My Uncle was drafted under this. A North Alabama, teenager who dropped out of highschool, (he had severe dyslexia). Two Purple Hearts and the Silver Star. He served in the 1st /7th.Air Cav. 1968-1971making the rank of sergeant. He is my hero

[@stormer9952]

Don't let people talk down about these men, they're good and all vets talk praise about them

[@danielhopkins2277]

Just because he wasn't great doesn't mean he can't be good.

[@Yanzdorloph]

your heros are agressors and cruel killers

[@John1873--]

​@@Yanzdorloph your comment is naive and bullsh!t. Good job, kiddo 👏

[@JLYVE89]

​@@Yanzdorloph you are a 🤡

[@FardtilUshid]

Society truly offers less than it takes.

[@chrisbuiles1252]

yup bc these guys that survived went back home had kids raised them in a trauma filled home thus making mentally unstable children who grew into adults and that’s why nowadays we have so many “crazy” people going around shooting up places and killing their families there’s generations of kids who were born in these broken homes with traumatized uncared for veterans who never get help from the VA or the government they fought for and so they spread their trauma to their children and then they spread it their children and that just becomes a cycle that gets worse and worse until you birth a maniac

[@Yo_Kelz]

McNamara truly is one evil being smh

[@samuelmuller9940]

Yo Kelz you just realized that Nixon and Johnson we’re business men Westmoreland was pencil pushers on Eisenhower staff most in higher up fought in Europe and knew very little about Jungle Wars. The State Department and the Press Core ran the War on Public and World Opinion. Between the Morans,Draftees,and 12 month rotations add to this WW2 tactics for Europe and you have a Goat Rope. Opposition NVA who stayed till it was over Viet Cong who had been doing it for years. A General who had fought the Japanese,French,and now the Americans. Both a Civil and Religious War going and people who were tired of 3 generations of War. The only bright thing we had were Veterans who went back for 2,3,4,5 tours to teach the others how to survive and they were craped on coming home.

[@boredguy249]

Based off some of the people I've met in the military, I sometimes wonder if they kept this going.

[@Crazt]

Desperate recruiters will take drastic steps to meet quota. Today, the lower ASVAB scores aren't infantry. They are supply and motor T

[@johncohnor9655]

If you have to ask...

[@darkworlddenizen]

I personally know several purebred fucktards in the navy. While cranking I convinced one guy that some kind of meat and gravy the galley was serving was Alpo. Which in hindsight wasn't too far of a stretch for someone to believe but this dude was borderline downy as it is.

[@BBradshawProductions]

The answer is yes.

[@Ava-km7tl]

This a million percent ^^^

[@Mountain8ear]

All veterans face lower income and higher divorce rates than non-military members. Let's just get that one straight.

[@Vlad-fm3gk]

I was going to say that last one hit home, am i a re re? I wasn't in the Marines

[@hauptmannnn]

Still your nation is possessed to war

[@pagodebregaeforro2803]

they should see that coming, letting their women alone to do some adventure shit for many months, then they feel lonely, the guy come back traumatized or more problematic and she get the f out of there, not difficult to picture, thats just another face of the illusion of feeding the politics machine, pawns gettting fkd and turned into cucks, thanks the politicians and war propaganda. the illusion of patriotism and warmongerism for boys and braggarts.

[@billyin4c514]

Mental and physical trauma will mess up your ability to function. Trying to be successful when you suffer from crazy anxiety, or the chemicals being released in your brain are unbalanced is unbelievably hard.

[@robjknight6501]

amen

[@bcraigphelps2649]

"make me your President and I will give you your damned war" Lyndon Johnson

[@neasa4222]

What is wrong with a country that sends its most vulnerable citizens to war. It’s disgusting, all to fill the ranks for a war American politicians should have stayed out of.

[@MoisturefortheSoul]

They’re just numbers to the government… they way they look at it is this “he’ll very likely die but he may take out one or 2 men before he does. And that’s good enough for me.” That is how little their lives are worth.

[@lumberjackagies5158]

No one should be forced into combat unless the enemy is in your country.

[@Patrick3183]

Excellent point

[@fluffysheap]

A noble sentiment. Of course then Germany would have won WW2.

[@MetalBawkses1]

@@fluffysheap no be fair the US was attacked first in WW2. And the US still lost in Vietnam despite the draft :)

[@tryingtotryistrying]

no one's picture should be used as the thumbnail for a low IQ soldier 50 years later, damn. adding insult to injury haha... "you're drafted even though you can't spell your name and also millions of people will associate your face with being unfit when you're an old man!"

[@201hastings]

@@MetalBawkses1 tell that to the Vietnamese death total

[@harrisbobroff9813]

We got one in our platoon, and they were treated terribly... I nearly got sick over what they did to him.

[@wayback75]

Harris, I saw some of the same treatment of young men in boot camp ,, I didn't like it either.

[@pagodebregaeforro2803]

whaaaat? but arent them ALL heroes? I mean they served they are better than others... sarcasm.. many naive and simplidy morons think like that, your experience proves the reality

[@Rohliable]

It doesn't matter if they're not mentally fit or what have you. They are heroes to me.

[@GG-43]

Given no honor by their country before their time in the military, fought in a war with no honor to speak of, and those who survived have been dishonored ever since by the country that effectively forced them to fight on it’s behalf. May these men, and all who fought in Vietnam in any way, live and rest in peace.

[@WmPryor1]

I was in Basic Training in July 1967. I met men that couldn't speak English, a Ukrainian who overstayed his visa, got drafted and was legally blind in one eye, a hillbilly from West Virginia couldn't march and had trouble throwing a grenade more than ten to fifteen feet. Eventually the hillbilly was rejected and released but the others stayed.

[@eliasziad7864]

Mqybe because they don't speak English in the Soviet Army...

[@WmPryor1]

@@eliasziad7864 And your erudite and astute statement is supposed mean what? /s

[@eliasziad7864]

@@WmPryor1 Wtf are those words??? You said a Ukrainian got drafted to Vietnam, but Ukrainians live in the USSR and fought in the Soviet Army 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡

[@WmPryor1]

@@eliasziad7864 Reading problem? He overstayed his visa and got drafted. He didn't speak the greatest English and I didn't know him well. There were lots of foreigners drafted into the Army. What was amazing was he said he was legally blind in one eye. He could still see a little out of his bad eye but the vision was so bad it was considered legal blindness. As to how and why he came to the US, I never knew him well enough to get the details. People from the USSR could still get visas to visit the US so I am not sure what your concern is. My advanced training was at Fort Monmouth, NJ and while there I met all kinds of foreigners that we were training after they purchased American equipment. I met Iranians, some Germans and even some Libyans. I don't know know if the Ukrainian actually went to Vietnam but when I graduated from my AIT in a class of 60 students 58 of us got orders for Vietnam and only two were sent to Germany.

[@Wolf-qh2lk]

@@WmPryor1 Elias Ziad fits the "moron" group. LOL

[@walterarrit5511]

These men received extra training and served their country well. Their higher death rates were due to their being put into combat at a much higher percentage. I served with these men and hold them in high regard. Shame on you. You are repeating a lie.

[@jrobertmoore9406]

Plus this is a greatly exaggerated and recently pushed excuse for America's loss in Viet Nam. Trump and others have led the way to make such claims acceptable. The US now has a warrior class and they want to rewrite history. In WWII my Dad did not do well in the tests due to being hungover. Those tests followed him around for years. But he had a honorable military career, but experienced the same type bull and blame.

[@walterarrit5511]

@@jrobertmoore9406 Thank you for your father's service.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

That's just wrong. Studies showed that these men, on average, performed far worse and dragged down the combat effectiveness of their units. Now, give them potatoes to peel or bed pans to scrub, and they'll outperform normal people.

[@steves578]

wish more people would read into this, all 320,000 of these men were used as cannon fodder and at the end of the day, despite all against them, came out on top, some stories of them mainly consist of acts of heroism.

[@h.l.d.9988]

Exactly, this is some history revisionist BS.

[@freddyb3380]

When someone yelled "GET DOWN!!!" they started dancing

[@Cristina_43]

🤦🏻‍♀️

[@susanfaulkner2304]

Moron is not fair to label these men.Teaching is the first step, giving these gentlemen respect will help them. The rest will follow.

[@WootTootZoot]

I remember my Brother telling me about his Basic Training at Ft Lewis, he said, they had three guys that he said they thought SERIOUSLY had Downs Syndrome. They went infantry and then Vietnam. Never heard what happened to them after that.

[@SlickArmor]

You know what happened. NVA yelled "lunch time" and they all popped up from their cover. Pew Pew Pew 🔫 🔫 🔫 aaaand done.

[@DrownInLysergic]

They died in combat, that's what happened.

[@johnstuartsmith]

I went through AIT training with a group of these soldiers and served alongside some of in my Vietnam infantry unit. A lot of them were either Black guys that were rounded up in the urban riots and offered a jail sentence or immediate enlistment, and illiterate White boys from the backwoods whose parents yanked them out of elementary school when their states were forced to integrate their schools. Some were clearly unsuited for combat, while others were a lot sharper than they initially seemed. Statistically, their death rates were higher than the average Vietnam serviceman because they inevitably ended up doing an entire tour in the field as riflemen, while the majority of personnel in Vietnam were in less dangerous jobs.

[@lapis.lazuli.]

African Americans were disproportionately put in ground combat roles at 31% of the total in 1965 time, while accounting for 24% of USA casualties in 1965 statistical rate lower than an expected 31%

[@KellyBurnett138]

How many “less dangerous jobs” were there?! …

[@KellyBurnett138]

@@lapis.lazuli. Yeah..all the heavy combat 1965 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@lapis.lazuli.]

​@@KellyBurnett138 [SpoonFeedinBegin] Order or danger: Infantry Rifleman/Foot Soldier [10-15% of the military], is the most dangerous role, Helicopter Crews, Special Forces, Combat Engineers, Artillery Crews, Tank Crews, Medics and Corpsmen, Logistics and Support [easily 50% of the entire force] [SpoonFeedinEnd]

[@lapis.lazuli.]

@@KellyBurnett138 No 31% of Ground Combat Roles, meaning: Infantry Rifleman/Foot Soldier for example.

[@timmiller745]

Exactly, the Marines took my brother, who couldn't even spell "Brown," and he was killed at Hue

[@rip608]

Anyone who implements such idiotic policies should be forced into the field beside them.

[@mewmew8932]

i think he was

[@killerbern666]

"they were more fucked up back home compared to non-veterans" just like every other veterans 😅

[@justanotherinquisitor7962]

They were already at a disadvantage before the war and then they were severely disadvantaged after it with the PTSD and flashbacks. We can't compare a Low-IQ Veteran to a "Normal" Veteran. One will have a harder struggle with doing simple actions and the other will have still struggle, but wouldn't be burdened as much by their mind and body.

[@tss7179]

Something only a gash would say.

[@craigape]

Sure bud, whatever you want to believe.

[@jakebrown1015]

​@@justanotherinquisitor7962 Either way as a vet myself the government / general public doesn't give two fucks about vets anymore IN FACT i am starting to be discriminated against since i served..... the new generation has been taught that vets / any prior military are evil republicans.... so thats great

[@BlackWolf207]

Exactly what I was thinking. I was like “yeah no shit?” Just another way videos try to mislead people with deliberate wording.

[@dantran9962]

I heard that one of these vets became a Ping Pong world champion after the Vietnam War.

[@baronbrummbar8691]

hahahahahaha nice a forest gum reference

[@agentdeow3827]

So basically they were training terrorist

[@emmetts1899]

Oh, so that's how Private Pyle from Full Metal Jacket got recruited.

[@rup54]

Possibly. Marines received some of these soldiers as well. He was too heavy and had a few mental issues.

[@TigerxrayLIB]

If your service number started with 67 or 68 you were part of this project. It’s not fair to call them morons. Some of the men were good soldiers. I fought beside a few. They had more guts then our president who received five deferments to stay out of our military. FJB.

[@sybrandvandermolen7732]

This isn't a criticism of the people drafted in project 100000, it is a criticism of the government for sending these people to their deaths.

[@chino3796]

BONE SPURS!! Our president lost a son in the Air Force. NOT 1 single trump EVER served in our military. On the contrary, grandpa drumph was a German draft dodger.

[@tubbles1057]

Trump also dodged the draft 4 times

[@Orapac-ln5jd]

​@@tubbles1057 ahhh it's a conservative, we need to just brush over that for him.

[@donlarocque5157]

​@@tubbles1057 John Wayne used a deferment to stay out during WWII. Trump went to military school. 🪖. A lot of guys went in the Guard.

[@johnnnyboi1823]

McNamara just wanted more people like him so he could fit in

[@acote5020]

The scary part they were nothing like him and therefore he found them expendable. Read the "Best and the Brightest" by David Halberstam, 1972.

[@bradolson1040]

McNamara believed in the military and it's people. Johnson (Dem) believed military were an expendable tool to be used for political gain. McNamara and Johnson butted heads constantly. Nixon (Rep) thought military was a shiny toy he owned. Nixon sent a B52 with nukes to teach North Viet Nam a lesson. McNamara interceded and recalled the bombers.

[@jonslg240]

Now we've got Biden's Bellies and Biden's Boneheads.

[@jonslg240]

@@acote5020 you would have been perfect for macs morons, because you can't even catch a joke 😂😊

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

@@jonslg240 And Ukraine has all your equipment!!

[@eddiesimms9301]

My Dad told me he saw some of these "Project 100,000" enlistees out in the field, the majority of them were black, Hispanic and the remaining were white. He arrived in Vietnam in March of '68 and was assigned to B Co 3rd BN 47th Infantry, 9th Infantry Division. My Dad was a Jr NCO/on active duty at FT Benning serving as a Drill Sgt, he often wondered how these misfits made it past both the Army Recruiter's and Drill Sgt??....I believe this program was still being used to recruit men and this was during the early years of the All Volunteer Armed Forces. I reported for Army Basic Training at FT Gordon GA in August of '77 and I saw a few guys within our Company that had a rather "blank look" on their faces and I could tell they weren't "all there" etc...Some of them were sent home, and sadly one guy collapsed during PT and later died.

[@xrpuertorican4472]

Meanwhile bonespurs is still kicking.

[@s3hooligan]

The biggest moron of all time!

[@darrelljohnson5764]

TDS IS ALIVE ! Tell us Clinton’s record, or The present Potato . Waiting...

[@darrelljohnson5764]

I almost forgot, Oshithead . Still waiting ...

[@davetdowell]

And every one of them held the line and served honourably. Remember them with pride. Speak of them with respect.

[@AhJodie]

Thank you, I agree with your statement which is loving and true!

[@atlcollegepark8692]

This!!!!

[@sambridhathapa4313]

Im not American but the way this narrator went on about people who were willing and gave their lives to their country boiled my blood. Low mental ability and psychologically unstable? So what? They did sign up for their flag. Dont know but I did sense sarcasm. Offensive.

[@sambridhathapa4313]

@@zappaa191 Ok thanks for the info. But the point stands - they did serve and fight for their flag during war and died. They deserve the same level of respect that you guys have for your army, navy, marines and the air force and whatever else.

[@sambridhathapa4313]

@@zappaa191 Calling them morons? Appalling.

[@user-yr1db9ln3x]

Disposal of American people.

[@mozambique9113]

i agree, its same as hipsler dispose of bad genes german

[@elitecoder955]

*men

[@mikael7963]

You mean “men”.

[@chuckscott-cy7iq]

Disposal of American men*

[@user-yr1db9ln3x]

@@elitecoder955 I was being sarcastic by saying people, because they don't see them as men. To them men are the ones who actually qualify for military.

[@kennethsaenz-edelmann726]

Those poor men…thank god and hopefully now they are all at peace….I can’t imagine or better said is don’t wanna imagine the life they held after coming back

[@timothyprice9064]

In the 70s I found out there were many soldiers that could not read or write. Other than that many of them were great troops. 10 years ago there were many people that could not fill out their job applications. We would read the questions to them. Then explain to them what we had just read to them. Again, some of them were great workers.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

Lennart Lawrence in "Full Metal Jacket" might have been one of McNamara's Morons.

[@ashtraysghost4636]

Exactly I read an article about that a few years ago. "Private Pyle" character was based on This situation.

[@jasonbastian9901]

Not just Forest Gump, but Vincent DiNofaro's character, Private "Pyle" in FULL METAL JACKET.

[@waqstar7067]

Is it a coincidence that when you mentioned uneducated. A black man was on screen.

[@shakey3306]

I clicked on the video to see that, i’ll tell after i finish

[@shakey3306]

Apparently not, given their overrepresentation

[@waqstar7067]

@@shakey3306 you mean of black people?

[@buravan1512]

You actually got the message. The same shame tactics were used in WWII.

[@cheekypop]

well it would make sense

[@garymartin7369]

When I was in the army in 74 - they were called McNamaras 100,000. I was assigned to help some of the men to teach them to sign their name so they could get paid (we were actually paid in cash) and you had to sign for your pay. I also had to help some who were obese or had zero muscles with extra training so that they could get through basic. The only one who made it was the one who couldn't sign his name at first but learned.

[@johnstuartsmith]

Small, portable cassette tape recorders were available at the PX around this time. This made it possible for these soldiers to mail cassettes back and forth rather than having platoon their mates read and respond to their mail from home.

[@vivian2217]

Worked with a Sgt in Alaska as a medic when I was an E-4. We arrived at a car accident and I was the driver while he was the medic,( took turns being driver and medic for shifts). He told me he didn't like dead people and pulled rank on me to act as the medic which I did. Realizing that if there were more patients I'd be on my own decided to get out at the time. Best decision I ever made.

[@texastea5686]

You know, I look at some of the patients I check in at work ( believe me, it's an honor to work at the VA, I love my patients) and I wonder how they were ever in the military. There's men like my father and my husband's uncles: they were 1st generation Americans, they were migrant workers who didn't get a full year of schooling, and they spoke mainly Spanish (or, Spanglish), yet they were all drafted to go fight a ridiculous war in Vietnam. So many young men from our small town of about 8k people died. So sad =(

[@unclemoe6043]

Thank you for ur work at the VA. God Bless you.

[@eddie9244]

Now i get why they put the Lawrence character in full metal jacket

[@The_United_States_Of_America76]

C'mon Mac,you could've just put some serial killers in the program.That could've been much more effective than drafting a bunch of discord mods.

[@rpm12091]

I had no problem with the program except there were criminals that were very hard to deal with. One was drunk and wrecked a car he had stolen. I had to take him some items he needed in jail. He told me when he got out he was going to kill me. The police officer heard him and called my First Sgt. it was no big deal until he broke out of jail and I was confined to quarters until he was shot and killed in an armed robbery attempt. I wonder if the program didn’t cause more problems than it solved.

[@fluffmcgirt26]

You know what I don't care if they didn't speak English, if they were fat, or if they were "slow" they are still veterans, they still went to war and went through hell and I still respect and appreciate everyone of them. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@crunchthenumbers]

We are not disputing their Veteran status, it was just cruel as they died at higher rates.

[@stormer9952]

​@@crunchthenumbersBecause they saw combat more, they didn't die in larger numbers due to incompetence but rather intense fighting.

[@joedias7946]

Why did they have to go war with People who did not attack America. The Vietnamese did not swim the Pacific Ocean to fight America . what happened to Vietnam today?. Are they demonic ?

[@DesertVox]

Killers for Sam = moral pp.

[@Badhans2007]

HOORAH!

[@jamesalexander3530]

Fact: some 65% those who served in Vietnam were volunteers and professional soldiers. Only one third were draftees.

[@AtreVire]

Many volunteered because they wouldve been drafted anyway. This at least allowed them to get good positions

[@jamesalexander3530]

@@AtreVire Perhaps, but most volunteers like myself felt it was the right thing to do at that time to contain the spread of communism in the Soth China region.

[@AtreVire]

@@jamesalexander3530 I mean they're still Commies so you didn't really do a good job

[@profinneupane6883]

@@jamesalexander3530right thing to do? Lemme guess u probably found the destruction and genocide of iraqi civilians right thing as well

[@tcdrx]

​​@@profinneupane6883 The anti-war hippies still think they were on the right side of history. While their actions to 'stop the war' caused more Vietnamese deaths and made 1,6 milion Vietnamese stateless. The hippies were not against war at all. They just wanted the communist to win. Also the hippies started the fall of Afghanistan. They introduced the citizens to communism while buying opium. This lead to a communist revolution. Which destroyed the country. Because the villagers didn't want to change their ways and became more radical in their believe of Islam. Which led to American intervention. It is still a mess untill this day. But the communist hippies never learn or take accountability. They also wrecked the development of post-colonial countries. Once again introducing them to communism.

[@EL-ISS]

"McNamara's Morons" 💀. That one there is a violation 😂.

[@godleftelmo7710]

This is literally most of the US army now.

[@cheesyfromindonesia9969]

If you are wondering the title of the music used here it's White Rabbit

[@terryconnors7329]

When I returned from the name I was on the drill field at Paris Island. The Marine Corps had a project 100,000 to remove all the morons that McNamara had forced the Corp to take. I remember one of the men in one of the platoons that I trained was sent to the Army. Others were just discharged from the Corps. McNamara himself was a moron and had he showed up in the Nam, he would have never made it out.

[@daleslover2771]

Well that is enlightening, seen quite a few in the Army in 75, They dident last long there eighter.

[@unclemoe6043]

Amen ta dat !!!!!

[@brose2323]

When i did Basic in 09 the Army had more terms to describe mental retardation than the the Eskimos had for snow.

[@tmanthemost1157]

So basically Forrest Gump ?

[@got2kittys]

I think Russia has a similar program right now. These men deserve all the respect due to any veteran that served. Mind your scorn, and respect their actions. Their service should be honored.

[@anjairis]

I've been thinking that too. About Russia just throwing bodies at Ukraine.

[@insaneclownponies9599]

russians won't get my respect just for being drafted to go murder people abroad. Nor shall any Vietnam vet that considers the Vietnam war a good use of their time ever earn my respect.

[@profinneupane6883]

@@anjairis And Ukraine is also drafting people and recruiting them in the streets, both sides are throwing bodies lol

[@anjairis]

@@profinneupane6883 Sure but the difference is that the Ukrainians got something to actually fight for. So they're throwing zealous bodies at the war machine. That usually wins.

[@Dima-px6pr]

​@@anjairis and Ukraine avengers infinity never die right 😂 it's war boy

[@tomedmondson5236]

There are no morons in combat. Only those men who die or those men who live

[@Antares2]

Yeah, but the "morons" died 3x as often

[@jasoncaine2600]

🤦🏼

[@paulohaulo3961]

There definitely are and if those “morons” make up a big part of an army, I’m going to venture to guess that army probably didn’t win their war lol

[@StrawmnMcPerson]

Nah, if you're gonna let the slur still exist, you're gonna take it.

[@Trackrace29582]

Get the military’s dick out of your mouth

[@jamesnubz]

McNamara: The Original Tard Wrangler

[@IyamSoRaya]

I will not join in on the humilation and making fun of those men. Most of us will never see war in our lifetimes and would also be classified as "unfit" if forced to do what they did. Most of us would meet the same fate. I consider them brave, even those who did die sooner than later in the war. Their sacrifice is one of the reasons we wont have to endure what they did.

[@Narutoman771]

One of the many fine things one has to admit is the way that the Army has carried the American democratic ideal to its logical conclusion, In the sense that not only do they prohibit discrimination On the grounds of race, creed, and color, but also on The grounds of ability. -Tom Lehrer

[@clementmckenzie7041]

This program changed my grandads life, his kids and mine . Thanks to this we are three generations of middle class college educated people

[@nicholaswilliams988]

We had in our unit in Vietnam a young man who was of low mental ability. One day, after being teased for having contracted venereal disease, he picked up his M-16 and took a shot at another soldier. How his missed his target at less than six feet away was testament to his lacking ability. Needless to say he was gone before the sun set that day. What became of him I do not know. Most likely given an undesirable discharge and sent home.

[@Pissoff56]

Maybe he didn’t want to kill more of a warning shot

[@gaelen5868]

Nice music choice Gman, really made me feel like I was on a Battlefield in Vietnam

[@charleschin2612]

Goes to show that war is not a good thing no matter where in the world it is or what time it happen

[@Beyondfreshken]

It's a damn shame that these men's lives didn't improve exponentially but in fact got worse by enlisting in the military

[@Oldanarkybob]

I don't know why. But "McNamaras morons" fucking got me 😂😂

[@ignatiusreilly8280]

Lol it's messed up, but funny, I started laughing upon hearing that. Until reading some of the comments and seeing the cruelty of this.

[@tezzingtonsir28]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@williewonka6694]

That policy should have brought criminal charges. They were not only a danger to themselves, but a danger to their fellow soldiers. Total disaster.

[@Az-dc4nu]

Yeah its called Cannon Fodder

[@vegitoson4218]

Russia seeing this method: write that down! Write that down!!!

[@Garanon5]

Russians are experts in producing cannon fodder.

[@aqua2k210]

Russia started doing this last year. They’ve been bringing in elderly and political journalists who speak out against Putin.

[@brada5722]

Well, that took a hard twist I’m always rooting for the underdog, but these guys got royally fucked

[@Mox_Normandy]

Remember kids, if you see a vietnam vet, tell them welcome home. Or something to the effect. I dont know if enough people understand just how bad they were treated when they came back. I cant think about Vietnam without tearing up about my grandfather. That man, saw shit, i truly cant imagine.

[@stephenbloch4688]

They started doing this again except they are volunteers now(2023).

[@SteveB-nx2uo]

those who ate the most crayons went on to form the US marines

[@Jonascord]

We had 5 in my boot camp platoon who didn't last a week. They were illiterate.

[@johnstuartsmith]

In Basic and AIT in '67, we had guys with one eye, guys that had half a stomach, a non-verbal guy whose head wouldn't fit into a standard helmet, and quite a few Native Americans who never made eye contact or spoke to anybody else or each other. In Vietnam we had a German merchant seaman who'd got in a bar fight in New Jersey, thought he was going to jail, but ended up in basic at FT. Dix. and several Mexicans with similar stories. The Selective Service and the Army weren't very picky in 1967. Meanwhile, half the football team from the college I had stupidly flunked out of showed up for their draft physicals with X-rays and letters from their doctors that disqualified them from being eligible for military service. Who you know and who your dad's friends are has always mattered.

[@jonathanmcniel6483]

Dumb or not; they were brave. They stuck it through and went into harm's way.

[@nemomarcus5784]

During the Vietnam era, I was taking an exam at a recruiting station for the Air Force. On the other side of the wall I could hear the Marine recruiting officer reading the questions to a potential recruit. I was shocked to overhear the recruiter telling him which answers to mark.

[@VeeTwoPointOh]

And that’s how Full metal jacket happened

[@drworm77]

This puts private pile in a whole new light

[@ProfessorFickle]

“Front line infantry!”

[@citizenx8512]

@@ProfessorFickle "You made it."

[@wukong1066]

"Pyle! Pyle! Is that a donut???"

[@One.DeSanctis.]

Run, Forrest. Run!

[@peterpedro7662]

This is heartbreaking ! Yo call them morons too 🫡

[@phillipgonzales4617]

It is true while in Boot Camp there were several recruits, who could not even spell their own name, but yet they were good soldiers I was assigned by the drill sergeant to make sure that they performed their duties because they could not read it was also my job to make sure these people clean themselves. It was quite an experience I believe these men were more adaptive, being good soldiers, because they listened.

[@heybabycometobutthead]

You're confusing a poor education with low iq, these are not mutually exclusive.

[@bossbonita1235]

Wow! Thank you for your service and sharing your experience

[@damiion666]

Good listeners…sounds like Gump

[@user-fb8jb5yi6g]

Except today, our non binaries would all qualify for McNamaras special project. 😅😅😅

[@andreiJonathanD.Sancho-yf4uw]

No, they are not morons nor stupid or handicap or trash person, they are heroes! Thats it.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

They were drafted and sent to death. After yhr high iq americans were dead they drafted the low iq ones.

[@rup54]

Exactly. Nobody is trash.

[@RovingRoninEDC]

Certainly explains some of the officers and staff NCO’s I had in the 80’s and 90’s. Also explains why recruiters were calling me and telling me I scored in the top 97th percentile like it was a surprise.

[@lyssanch3096]

They thought u wuz dumb

[@stormking3755]

There still around even when I was in. 😮

[@downandout992]

Sure you did...

[@RovingRoninEDC]

@@downandout992 well, my other option was being a troll with one subscriber but I don’t want to steal your Thunder 😂

[@downandout992]

@@RovingRoninEDC I scored the 98th percentile... I guess I've got you beat. I hope you're doing well. People with high IQs typically earn a higher income than average. I'm sitting in a hammock at my beach house at the moment. I wonder what you are up to?

[@princybella5386]

The "Poor"and "Uneducated" have always fought our ward.

[@evega312]

And the standards were never raised again.

[@louditalian1962]

Those that survive are now running the pentagon

[@leew3365]

😂😂😂