G&L Fallout Tribute vs. SBMM Stingray Short Scale! - Which is best?! -LowEndLobster Tone Shootout

[@shawn9773]

As I was watching this, I could help think about Leo Fender's legacy. He was Fender, G&L and Musicman. Quite a visionary with regard to guitars and basses, etc. Thanks LEL.

[@meyersguitars2196]

I feel like the G&L was most pleasing to my ear. Now in a mix that could be different. Great video.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Meyers :)

[@chriswenkle2635]

Another great video Lobster! I have to go with the G&L on this one. Both are great sounding basses, but the pickup placement, and pickup type on the G&L give the tone more girth - especially in 'OMG' mode. Of course it will depend on the room, signal chain, and sound tech's ears as to what it would sound like on a gig, but I'd still go with the G&L. P bass on steroids' as someone said. Thanks again, and cheers for now!

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Chris! Yeah man, the MFD is somethin for sure. We'll have a mod project featuring an MFD coming soon!

[@ajdoyle9559]

G & L is the best sounding short scale bass I have heard so far.

[@AmishThursday]

I have two of the stingray short scales. They are amazing. They are my main players. Great review 🦞

[@LowEndLobster]

Awesome, T H! Thank you :)

[@twiglurid666]

I decided to buy one these sterlings about a month ago. I use it wayyy more than my jazz bass now With my set up it’s become the perfect go to. I love feel of the neck, I dialed in a tone I like on the parallel setting and i throw the treble and eq up on my amp. Makes it sounds super growly. It’s made me a short scale lover. I’d buy the G&l too when I get some extra cash.

[@keithpasculli7465]

The G&L is such a powerful sounding bass; it sounded better in every mode, it was almost as if the Sterling Ray needed preamp to compete with it

[@mojoemurphy]

Have to disagree. Think the ray was far superior. Guess that's why they make so many different basses, everyone likes different stuff

[@jamesmarkham7489]

Both good sounding basses

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks James!

[@stratolestele7611]

I've been listening and reading comments. The G&L has so much more 'boom' and body to my ears, but I feel like it would quickly clip into my Rumble 100. I'd rather turn up the amp than lower the bass' volume. As a guitar player with a bad back, and being short, I think I'll be very happy with the MM. I've got two Jazz Basses. ONE a 2013 MIM and I just bought a used 2000 MIA. Now that I'm playing more bass, it's wreaking havoc on my back and neck. Lastly, I think the Stingray looks more balanced. I've got few MM guitars and when I've seen vids and pics of me on stage, the MMs just look better fitted to my height. So all added together, it's the Stingray by a Texas mile. Thanks for a fantastic comparo Lobster!

[@LowEndLobster]

Thank you! So glad you enjoyed the video :)

[@sd3falco]

I gig regularly with a slightly different version of this G&L. Mine has a poplar body and rosewood fretboard. Sounds pretty much the same. I use a Fender Rumble 350 and to me it sounds awesome and is fun to play.

[@phipschi4255]

@@sd3falco does it kinda do the P-Bass thing or is it far from it?

[@sd3falco]

@@phipschi4255 To me it's different. Different sound, different feel.

[@job1778]

I just purchased the G&L. Once I receive it , I will put it thru it’s paces. Looking forward to it.

[@LowEndLobster]

Nice! Enjoy!

[@phipschi4255]

nice! how do you like it so far?

[@tonycarel1785]

The OMG mode I like that funny. Very good review you definitely showed both bass pros and cons. Thanks

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Tony :)

[@jkf9167]

It's really a matter of which pickup placement you prefer. I like the Stingray placement when it's other people who are playing it, but when it's me, I definitely prefer the middle pickup placement on the G&L. For a short-scale bass, I'll take a longer, narrower layout over a shorter, fatter one every time. My #1 is a Mustang. #2 alternates: Jazz bass for feel, P bass for sound. I've been considering a Fallout for a while.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Josh! Great comment!

[@rogergates6900]

Thanks, Lobster! Such a pity that G&L couldn't accommodate the magic 21st fret..... especially given the relatively large size of the instrument....

[@Boris_Chang]

I just ordered the Stingray in that blue. Thanks a bunch for playing objectively and slow enough to actually hear the intonation and sustain (rather than showing off how fast you can play or how funky you can slap). Cheers!

[@sunn_bass]

I keep coming back to his video and the 2 full reviews. Both sound great. I think my Fender Mustang P/J might be getting 2 new friends.

[@marciosouza8656]

I love the EBMM or Sterling short scale basses, but here in Brazil it´s impossible to buy one... Great comparison Lobster, awesome content, you really are the Music Man Guru!

[@LowEndLobster]

Thank you Marcio :)

[@geoffreymerrifield5666]

2 years I bought both and ended up keeing the G&L. The G&L can sound monstrous, as your video shows. i think the G&L clearly wins for tone. But I'm thinking with the right Kemper Profile they can sound the same or very close. I'm going try the MM Sterling shorty again because I have ongoing Low E string issues, and the G&L is bigger and heavier. I'm putting some Ernie Ball Slinky's on the G&L and hoping that helps. Recently tried a full scale Headless Ibanez EHB1500 that was lighter and shorter than the G&L. Unfortunately the wide neck was a deal breaker.

[@SiFi5478]

Great shootout Lobster! Both nice basses and for me, the Fallout is more my thing. Brief observation...I think the Fallout is the only G&L model where that usually odd headstock with the pointy bit makes sense. I like the way it's been altered for the shorter scale here making it work really well with the placement of the Fallout logo. Nice! 👌

[@J--5]

pinched that like button 100% for the t-shirt

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Joe!

[@J--5]

@@LowEndLobster truth be told i have watched a metric assload of your videos. the algorithm has been relentless, putting your videos on my home page for a few months, to the point that i didnt realize i wasnt subscribed until today. keep up the great videos. your fan, lobster stan

[@LowEndLobster]

:)

[@jdmarino]

I really like the fat sound of the G&L, esp OMG mode. (And I am partial to red.) Single coil with the tone way down surprised me; I don't usually like tone rolled off that much. Nice palm-muted pick playing, too.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks John!

[@alexskibicki2262]

Cool comparison, lobster. Both good sounding basses. But Between these two basses, I like the string ray the most. All though I like the candy apple red finish on the G&L bass. Other than that, I like the sting ray bass the most.

[@DavyoInVegas]

I own 2 of the short scale Sterling Stingrays by Music Man (a white one and a blue one) and absolutely love them,, the G&L does not interest me in the least. I also own 3 Ibanez SRMD200 Mezzo medium scale bass’s, those are awesome as well, perhaps a Lobster review of the Ibanez Mezzo bass could be in the future (hint, hint) Thanks for all your great review videos Mr Lobster !!! Cheers, Davyo

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Davyo! The Mezzo is definitely on my list :)

[@craigparse1439]

To me, the G&L had a better (thicker) sound to it. I think that's primarily based on the pickup type and placement. Both of these basses started to shine after you turned the tone control to bring out the 'soul' in each bass.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Craig! Great comment :)

[@michael_caz_nyc]

I prefer the look of the Stingray but the Sound of the G&L. How does the Fender Mustang PJ compare with these 2 ? ( Update ) Purchased the Sterling SS-4 and I absolutely Love-it. I'm playing Bass ( all the time now ) learning Motown Classics, Reggae basslines and Classic-rock. with my Fender Rumble 100 amp.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Michael! I haven't played the Fender yet so I really can't comment

[@chrismorris3897]

I feel there should be more basses with a Humbucker in the middle position. I watched Bully play that G&L 1000 today, that bass is nice!

[@RobertCorrington]

I bought a SBMM StingRay short-scale bass and HATED the pickup and electronics. Because I really liked the neck profile and the overall comfort, I swapped out the stock trash with an EMG MMTW and EMG preamp. Now it’s a funky tone machine.

[@1planetmusic294]

Exceptionally well done comparison demonstration. Thank you! I prefer the clarity in the Stingray tone all around. I just wish the Stingray had the wider nut width, like the full sized Stingray or the G&L (or a vintage Mustang/Musicmaster at 1.625").

[@Sumbibebe]

On this video, the G&L wins but I believe that they are both awesome guitars period. Great vídeo Lobster👍🏽 Now compare them to the Sire U-Bass short scale✌🏽

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Sumbi! I didn't think the U5 was a good matchup because it's a two pickup bass without any of the 'modes' that the SR and Fallout feature.

[@Sumbibebe]

@@LowEndLobster I learn something from you all the time. Thanks for the feedback and for the great Bass Show👍🏽

[@MrVinB]

Yeah, it's the Sterling for me. I like my short scales compact. Soundwise they're both great.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Navin!

[@dchauser4]

Having an actual G&L, I'm a big fan of that pick-up and the selector switch--especially the OMG mode. My main complaint with all of the Music Man series basses (Sterling, S.U.B., or MIA) has been the feel of the neck.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Clint!

[@MrSparks54]

Personally I like the sound of the G&L better. I find myself picking up my G&L Fallout more than my other basses, it's so comfortable in my smallish hands. I'm going to have to try the Stingray to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks Lobster!🦞

[@LowEndLobster]

Thank you Sparks :)

[@CharLessMajor7Music]

Did you already tried stingray? If yes, how was it? Coz ive tried G&L and it sounds so good in every pickup config. I wonder how stingray would compare

[@pwokaren]

The G&L Fallout wins today. Those MFD pick ups have that deep clear tone. Huuuuuuu 🔥🎸💯👏🏻

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Pwo! Yeah these MFDs are definitely something special

[@nick_bass_93]

Really appreciate the pick playing! Both basses picked in single coil mode are really doing it for me. I'd be curious to hear how these both sound with flats

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Nick! I'm getting better and better with it :)

[@phipschi4255]

thanks a lot for the video lobster! imo its one of the best regarding the fallout bass, i really love it! i think i'll like it, i'm waiting until its getting restocked in white with the black pickguard. (since i need a white bass in my collection hehe). i like how much tone you can take away on that pass with the tone pot alone but still have enough defenition. it really kinda sounds like a p-bass to me, i think it will sound good in rock, punk and older stuff without the tone roled down!

[@LowEndLobster]

Thank you Georg!

[@danademski3353]

Just bought the g&l partially due to your previous review and partially due to a lefty being available. Sounds and plays great (after I set it up...terrible out of the box). It is really punchy...my little Phil Jones Amp gets overpowered!

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Dana! Glad to hear you're enjoying it :)

[@michaeltherion7459]

Where did purchase the lefty?

[@danademski3353]

Rayville audio

[@lawrencetagliareni4893]

Happy Thanksgiving Lobster

[@russellzauner]

If I had to choose between the two, I'd end up with two basses.

[@LowEndLobster]

Story of my life ;P

[@russellzauner]

@@LowEndLobster it's okay, I'm probably gonna break down and buy the other Valley Arts Samick that I found. Wanted the green one, but black is pretty cool (the only reason I haven't yet is that I LOATHE buying on reverb because everything always arrives fucked up 9/10x). The red one tho...this thing is stupid fun to play unplugged so you know it's gonna be great amplified ha ha ha I don't need another one but this one is such a great player - much better than I had hoped, even better than I visualized lol At 3 bills mostly what I have to do is find space. But I don't think you're going to get a 5 string Lee Sklar like thing unless you go with his current sponsor because of course you can get a 5 string from Dingwall; I don't think a bonafide 5 string Lee Sklar Valley Arts sig model exists and the transition units have the correct paint but the necks are scarfed so they're the Korean/Samick necks painted in US as likely so the first full rev of the Valley Arts pro custom models are the best compromise - they're built like a fucken tank so there's no worries there, durably built but no extra weight. Just feels SOLID as fuck and my god it came with flatwounds and it just SINGS and THUMPS with a pick, holy fuck some basses are just better for pick action, I can say that with certainty now - even though it finger rips and slaps just beautifully, drop that hand down by the bridge and start banging it with the pick and DA MAJICKS dome come out this offshore knockoff from another momoff. The spark is in the guts of the axe, not the paint on the headstock. that sub24 black ash platform would scream with ANY mods in it. You got a beautiful core instrument to load whatever you want in it. It's not going to sound the same in another husk, that solution. But you knew that and that's why you picked THE ASH HAMMER to give the SUPER BEEF INJECTION.

[@russellzauner]

@@LowEndLobster Oh shit I thought I was still respondign to the darkray post fuck

[@Mitata72]

Bro this. ....HELPS!!!! MUCHLOVE

[@akmalsux]

I can guess how excited you are to play the basses based on how long you look at your claw. Based on that time span, you seemed pretty excited 😆

[@LowEndLobster]

Hehe thank you Akmal :)

[@DoctorPsychoticPhD]

Loved the MFD in my Fallout so much that I went and put the p-style MFD in my Fender P. Both are just so phenomenal sounding. So powerful and creamy. For me the Fallout is best because I love the wider nut width (feels more like my P basses) and I don't mind losing 3 frets because I really never use those frets. The size is also not an issue for me because I am used to long scale basses and this is my first short scale. An amazing bass but Iit comes down to personal preference. I think the sound of the G&L pickup can't be beat.

[@nanoluciani]

I've been wondering if modding the Stingray is worth the hassle. Maybe a John East MMSR preamp. I think you already know which bass I dig more 🤣 great video, Lobster!

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Nano! You'd need to route out a battery box for the Stingray, a battery definitely wouldn't fit under the control plate. Honestly, it has a Neodymium pickup already and an interesting control set. Not much to do unless you want to start routing

[@nanoluciani]

@@LowEndLobster that's exactly what I figured, there's no way a battery would fit in the control cavity. Ohh yeah, the neodymium pickup is a massive improvement on its own!

[@jeffjones1143]

@@nanoluciani You can always run it into an external preamp. The Geddy Lee Sans amp sounds great. There's many more out there too.

[@carlmontney7916]

It's really tough to make a choice between these two because they both sound great but they both sound different. So, it all comes down to whichever one you think has the better tone. They're both professional quality basses that you could take on stage and gig with anytime. That said, my past experience with G&L was with their tribute line. I owned two that were riddled with quality control issues. Nothing major but a lot of little stuff stuff that should have been taken care of in final inspections. All of the issues affected The overall playability of the instruments. That kind of leaves a bitter taste. I personally own the Sterling short scale and I do like it. It plays great it sounds great and mine is a Black 'n' Maple. IMO one of if the most beautiful color combinations there is. I can see the advantage for the G&L for people who want a short scale bass but want something that doesn't feel like kids toy bass. As much as I love the Sterling I bought and the weight is awesome at only 6. 4 lb. It does seem like a tiny little toy when you take it out to play it. But that goes away the minute you start thumping on it it is a real tone monster.

[@TNDAVES]

Ya know I like your reviews ..I just wish you would drop the lobster claw bit. Makes it tough to watch otherwise great information ..

[@areallyboredguy5825]

I like the claw

[@scke3717]

Both are cool in their own way; people may or may not want to consider that G&L instruments tend to be very hard to re-sell on the used market or rather they are easy to sell at a big loss unlike F, G and MM brands. Not the prime consideration at this price point but just pointing out from my experience.

[@EckhardRotte]

I'm a bit disappointed from the Fallout. Does a short scale with the same size than a standard bass make sense? And I like the Stingray Shorty, the tone is really close to full size Stingray, I did not expect that because of the smail size and the lower string tension.

[@phipschi4255]

it does actually, for people which prefer to have a full sized instrument in their hands but with the added playability of a shorter neck (closer distance from fret to fret)

[@mortenlarsen9708]

Seems like the construction, along with the pickup, gives the G&L a much fuller sound. Especially when slapping you hear the bottom kinda falls out, on the Stingray. G&L sends me back to the old funky P players, the Headhunters, Crusaders, etc. I actually find the difference huge, in favor of the G&L

[@areallyboredguy5825]

Short scale basses have an entirely different sound profile to other basses. They have extremely punchy tones in the lows with quick attack and quick drop off that really cut through a mix. There’s a video going through different types of basses and their response on an audio spectrum.

[@artbehrman7712]

For me the G&L killed it. I’d love to hear a shoot out between the USA versions of these basses. So we can here the difference between what $2300 and $1400 sounds like.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Art! TBH I don't think there will be much of a difference tonally between the US versions and import versions. We compared the USA short scale to the SBMM one and they sounded essentially identical, with the biggest differences being the feel and build quality (and it's VERY noticeable). I haven't played a USA fallout, but I expect similar.

[@OneManMutiny]

The difference between $2,300 and $1,400 is playing the USA Fallout at the store vs playing it immediately after at home! Awesome bass regardless of the terrible resale

[@michaelblaney4461]

Not having played either of them I think I like the G&L better. The pickup placement seems to be in a more useful place in the scale. I would like to have a short scale but the Mustang bass seems a bit too small to feel like a bass, maybe the G&L might be the thing for me.

[@kenhartman29115]

Playing sitting down the Sterling is pretty cramped for me. Really want to try a Fallout but no one is carrying them locally. Next time Sweetwater has them in I might drive three hours to try one.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Ken!

[@MrLouisianaHayride]

The G&L sounds better but for a long gig I'd likely enjoy the Sterling more simply due to the upper horn being longer. I generally find short horn basses to be less comfy for me personally. I love these VS videos. Btw!

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Kevin! We got more coming :)

[@LowEndLobster]

​@bflo1000 Thanks bflo!

[@markperry7655]

My Fallout likes to balance horizontally on a strap, which is less of an issue as the low notes are still much less of a reach than on a full scale.

[@zzipdrive]

I’m waiting to see ypu play a bass while wearing that claw 😊

[@Jill-ni8fe]

Stingray gets my vote ❤

[@greglisk9408]

What do you mean "So your hand will turn back to normal?" I tuned in to see "Low end Lobster" play with the CLAW!😂

[@roydonkin9452]

My main bass is the EBMM Stingray short scale. The SBMM sounds a lot like the US built model. I would choose the Stingray in a second. The G&L sounded good but the ergonomics seem odd to me. Why build a short scale that is virtually the same size as a full scale?

[@markperry7655]

It’s pretty heavy too, not enough to be a game changer, feels pretty good. I gather the main idea was to make it appeal to people used to full scale basses. I find palm muting a lot more comfortable on my Fallout than on any normal bass. The bass likes to stay mostly horizontal on a strap, but the low notes are much closer so that’s not too big a problem.

[@MegaBassfunk]

Each bass has sounds and features that I like and each one has things about it that I don’t. I’d go with the stingray simply because I have more experience with musicman than G&L , so it’s a “the devil you know” type situation. Plus they didn’t skimp on the number of frets. I appreciate the portability of the stingray but on the minus side , I find the compactness makes it feel cramped. I suppose it’s both a plus and a minus. The G&L probably feels more natural to a long scale player due to the physical dimensions but that can also be seen as a minus because I personally would not want a short scale bass that’s just as physically large as a std. 34”. What’s the point? I’d just get a long scale! Also 19 frets is a bit limiting to me . They could have put at least 20 like every standard fender bass!

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Lhaley! I agree, the 19 frets on the fallout is a bit limiting. I'm with you on the form factor and the 'devil you know' with the Ray.

[@SisterRose]

I feel like the sound of the G&L is like. The Ultimate "Bass" sound. Like it takes what you think of in a Bass sound(mostly a P-Bass, but with some stingray and jazz too) and just OOOMPHS it. The Stingray though is a lot more convenient and has that crisp articulation that makes it easy to forget it's a passive, plus it's surprisingly thumpy! The rolled off tone noise is pretty strange on the Stingray but kinda cool

[@GL_Guitars]

Thanks and hello from our new channel! 🙏 #falloutbass #glguitars

[@LowEndLobster]

These comments always make me happy hahaha. Hiiii!

[@GL_Guitars]

You make us smile 😃

[@LowEndLobster]

Aw shucks

[@Inzo42]

I had the Fallout for like a month. It's the third G&L I've owned and third I got rid of. I just can't get on with it, as the English would say. The Fallout was just too heavy for its size, had neck dive, and I did not like how the neck felt. I just got the Stirling and it's perfect. Light. Neck feels ok. No neck dive...

[@philipmcadam5339]

The G&L sounds more efficient to me, having said that, the tones are fairly similar. I noticed that you said that they were both at their spiciest, perhaps the Stingray needs a bit more sauce?

[@facade87]

Schecter basses please!

[@michaelkeefer4293]

I don't know, I guess it really comes down to personal tastes and what style of music you are playing. The G&L sounded deeper and more rootsy, kinda like what you expect from a short scale. The SBMM sounded like the typical cut thru the mix and slap you in the face Stingray. Personally, I would probably choose the G&L for three reasons, first and foremost because I already have a Stingray 5, second I love the look of the candy apple red finish with perloid pickguard, and third I'm a big guy and the SBMM would probably look ridiculous on me.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Michael! Great comment XD, yeah the 'ray is a tiny one

[@greadore]

Nice review. Any neck dive on these basses? Thank you!

[@LowEndLobster]

Thank you! Great question. Check out the individual reviews of each for more info. Overall, the G&L was a little divier because of how the neck sits a bit further out vs the stingray. Hope that helps!

[@nhatty4178]

Sterling just has a way more crisp sound. Probably due to the bridge pickup. Both sounds great but I choose Sterling.

[@tomrobinson4781]

Aye! lovely

[@jeffjones1143]

Sweet! I've been checking out the MM shorty. I'm pretty sure they have a 5 string model too. I preferred the Ray's tone but the G&L sounds great in the OMG mode. More low mid forward witch would be good in the studio. In a live mix, I think the MM would cut better. You're picking skills are getting better Low!

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Jeff!

[@danplaysbass6294]

Lobster thanks for this.... but you forgot the Sire U5???

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Daniel! I compared these two because they have many similarities which would make them line up well next to each other (single pickup, 3 pickup modes, vol+tone). The U5 wouldn't really match up well here (though it's an amazing bass for the price)

[@donhall-aquitania1025]

I bought the Sterling first and it’s a great instrument. The G&L is definitely next unless a Tribute L-1000 emerges in 2023

[@KPJohnson]

While there were some tones that I liked from the SBMM, I like the Fallout more overall. Especially OMG. D'Addario not MJC?

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Kev! Yeah MJC doesn't make short scale strings, so I used two identical sets of D'Addarios here.

[@Barry101er]

Single coil quite similar. Overall, G&L but that's more of a brand decision for me ;)

[@PushSueAside]

Great stuff. The g&l seems like it’s the same setup as the kiloton just different pup placement and body? Thank you for sharing. Cheers

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Tommy! Sort of. So it has the same type of pickup and control setup (vol/tone) as the Kiloton. However the Fallout has OMG mode like the L-1000, where the Kiloton is Parallel/Single/Series (no OMG) and of course the pickup placement as you mentioned

[@PushSueAside]

@@LowEndLobster OMG

[@PushSueAside]

@@LowEndLobster did I use that comeback properly?

[@LowEndLobster]

@@PushSueAside XD Yes

[@PushSueAside]

@@LowEndLobster he he he. Hey mr fancy I’m proud of you for your progress with the pick.Got a pick exercise for you, now that you’re getting a little more comfortable with it, try your Chris Squire songs with a pick. It gives you a (I don’t know the right word) “bar” or “goal”???? So you can see where you are and where you’re trying to be? Does that make sense?

[@trailblazeratv6306]

Do they make a USA Fallout ?

[@LowEndLobster]

Indeed they do!

[@scottmoyle879]

G&L definitely.

[@christocr]

Tonewise, I think they both sound pretty good. I like the clarity of the Stingray a bit more. As far as ergonomics and looks, I think the Stingray wins all around. One of the advantages of a short scale bass is the compact size, lower weight, and shorter reach with the left arm. I think G&L dropped the ball in this department. It's almost like they went out of their way to design the bass to play and feel more like a full scale bass. The reach is about the same as a full scale. So, why bother getting a short scale if it feels just like a standard scale? No advantage. So... my vote goes to the short scale Stingray because that bass, ergonomically, is about the most compact, short left-hand reach of any short scale bass I've played. I've had a half dozen Fender Mustangs (decent basses, especially the American Performer), a Spector Bantam (very nice, modern bass), Mensinger Cazpar 5-String (very nice), Kiesel short scale Vader, and both American and Indonesian Stingrays. I've played the Fallout and the short scale Reverends. Out of all of them, the ergonomics on the short scale Stingray wins, hands down. The most compact "standard configuration" short scale out there. Of course, the Vader is headless, so it's super compact, but not "standard configuration."

[@areallyboredguy5825]

Short scale basses have an entirely different sound profile to other basses. They have extremely punchy tones in the lows with quick attack and quick drop off that really cut through a mix. There’s a video going through different types of basses and their response on an audio spectrum.

[@DV8shredder]

Which one did YOU prefer Lobster? I bought the fallout before MM had released the short scale in hopes that the g&l would sound like a stingray. Boy was I wrong so I just had to buy the sterling as well. I think the sterling definitely does the stingray thing. I love it! Can't bring myself to sell the g&l however, it's such a nice and unique bass for what it does.

[@LowEndLobster]

Asking the real questions! ;P Honestly, I don't know. Lots of similarities and differences for both of these basses. I'd probably go for the Stingray because of my obsession ;P

[@DV8shredder]

@@LowEndLobster the stingray sound is the way a bass is SUPPOSED to sound in my opinion, lol they are theeee best!!

[@JavierSalcedo3D]

are this basses good for drop D or maybe drop C#? iguess with beefier strings it should'nt be a problem.. what's your experience mr Lobster and friends?

[@LowEndLobster]

Check out the Joe Dart mini review! Tuned C std from the factory. Ps not a mr ;)

[@JavierSalcedo3D]

@@LowEndLobster you are very kind!

[@tdub8986]

Being a Stingray fanboy, I have to go with the Ray. Overall, they both sound great, but the only thing I liked better about the Fallout was that I prefer it in “OMG” to the Ray in series. I dont know how much I like OMG overall, just that it stands out above the Ray in series. I dont play many Short Scale basses, and I have an Ibanez Mikro (for when my daughters decide to play), and it is truly A Mikro, in the sense that it is super short at 28.5” (might be 28.8 or something, but yeah, its small), but overall, I am happy playing standard scale basses. I do prefer a Jazz neck (Sterling neck, Ray4 neck, SLO neck is how EBMM and SBMM call Jazz necks) to Standard Ray or a P neck, but never played a fatter neck on a neck with short scale fret spacing, so, who knows, I might actually like that. That said, My main bass is a Ray4 modded with Aguilar pick up, and I play it more then all my basses. 2nd would be my EBMM Stingray SLO Special (SLO’s are stingray with a jazz neck) and love it too. After that my #3 is an ESP LTD B4-E. It is a neck thru, and I love neck thru, it is my favorite neck joint. I then have a Sterling Stingray Ray34 that has a standard Stingray neck on it. I think the Ray 34 and my Dean MetalMan M (a bass shaped like Dimebag’s guitars) are the only fat necks I have. I will say, when I started playing, I loved the narrow and thin necks, but when I got more experienced, I a,m starting to appreciate the fatter necks. So I now want to get. P bass. I have one, but its a Pete Wentz Squire Signature P bass, volume knob only. I love it, sounds and plays great too, but again, its a Jazz neck on aP body, so I still want a P with a P neck. Great video. I do want to play G&L at some point. Hell, they are made about 30 miles from my house (the USA shop) and Just found out there is a Premiere g&L dealer called AB Music just a few miles away, so, After seeing many of your G&L videos, I need to get my ass over there and give them a play. I will still be a Stingray fan, but there is room for a lil G&L love. Might as well have all Leo brands in my collection. Thanks Lobster, great job.

[@SirFuzzyLogik]

Is it just me or does the G&L ring whenever a G is played? I hear this in all sorts of demos of this bass and it sounds so odd. Sounds like the whole body is coming unglued sometimes.

[@philbosher6959]

G&L for me please.😁👍

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Phil :)

[@lemonadedreams399]

G&L lot better. Thanks mate

[@StevenDoyleLuke]

G+L all the way!!!

[@lawrencetagliareni4893]

Gr8 shirt

[@glennb3231]

I own the Sterling Short scale but if I could do it over again I'd pass on it and anti up to the USA version if I wanted another shortscale. The G&L does a really good job of doing the P bass thing whereas the Sterling does a somewhat poor job of doing the Stingray thing. Not that it sounds bad, it's just does its own thing. With owning 2 Stingray Specials I can tell you that if you are after that Stingray sound the Sterling won't cut it for you, but you still may like it for what it is. The tuners are aweful though, and fret work sub par. All of my tuners had loose ends and the replacements Sterling finally sent me after 3 emails waiting for a response are just as bad.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Glenn! Huge bummer to hear about the QC and support problems that you experienced

[@sd3falco]

G&L hands down.

[@luigi.zanini]

G&L Fallout Tribute Parallel 3:24 Single 4:05 OMG mode 4:45 SBMM Stingray Short Parallel Single OMG mode

[@Tull1996]

I actually like both....but, I've gotta go with the G&L.....it just had that somethin' somethin'....

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Ozzpocket!

[@cedcobasse]

Sound of gl with sterling design

[@revlewisrees9880]

It’s the G&L for me. So if you’d just pop it in the post, the address is....

[@LowEndLobster]

Thank you Rev! LOL. You have no idea how on the nose your comment is hahaha. Some folks post their full email address in the comments, it's only a matter of time before someone posts their actual address XD. Always appreciate your comments! :)

[@tommybridges7632]

Ray sound better to me fallout is just alot louder which loves to clip amps

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Tommy! Yeah, especially in OMG mode that fallout can bark. I wish it had the L1K circuit.

[@mastermachetier5594]

The price of the g&l and tone just wow

[@dylancremasco6908]

😮

[@myopicshah]

G&L hv more bottom bcoz pickup position.. but d G&L body design is damn horrendous.

[@abouc]

I'm in the minority here, preferring the Sterling. The Fallout sounded too much like a P-bass. With all that extra space the Fallout looks like a decent mod platform. A second pickup by the bridge might sound pretty nice and still leave room for some slapping.

[@LowEndLobster]

Thanks Abouc!

[@lawrencetagliareni4893]

Stingray

[@michaelbrohl1625]

Through my headphones it's not even close. G&L sounds way better.

[@RichardWagenknecht]

G&L has so much more balls than the SBMM. Stingray just sounds weak and underwhelming.

[@comparedtowhat2638]

I am getting tired of the lobster claw. Can you come up with a new gimmick?

[@stratolestele7611]

Get over it

[@cedcobasse]

Keep the intro with claw , it's excellent ❤

[@robertjova5400]

Natto is japanese food 🤔

[@LowEndLobster]

Nom nom nom

[@georgeargon5113]

Get ride of that ridiculous prop. It takes away from your informative reviews.

[@LowEndLobster]

These basses aren't props! Wait, what are you talking about?