Reynor will NOT stop cheesing Clem!

[@BatttleBun]

I really love that Reynor just DOES NOT let Clem rest. It’s such a good rivalry and shows a real respect and understanding for your adversary that you can pester them just SO well. Thanks for bringing yet another amazing video to us Lowko ❤

[@KingKongWorld]

That is ridiculous. Clem can beat Hero & Serral in 9 games straight the same day. Reynor does nothing but make himself tired. Clem is just playing with his food.

[@greenmarin3]

Are you retarded or just a fanboy? ROFL

[@kyouma0519]

dude I commented yesterday how I made burgers and watched sc2 while eating. I just sat down with my food and refreshed youtube... and it's reynor vs clem what more can you ask for 😂

[@whats82]

I watch sc2 when eh, opposite of eating

[@pinjastorm]

Fries and a cold drink?

[@macanudo6206]

​@@whats82 for 54 minutes?? Damn

[@ManDuderGuy]

​@@whats82 You might want to consider a dietary fiber supplement 🎉🎉🎉

[@mattb233]

What ya munching?

[@BukovTervicz]

Both going random and then both getting their main race is hilarious

[@Jabawalk]

Clem, what a pickup artist

[@stoobydoobydoo]

The day of the Zerg ended when Serral started his military service. The day of the Terran has begun.

[@nathanbarnhart7823]

He still ate Maru's lunch. It's more like the day of Clem.

[@elijahdederick5212]

My Brother… The day of the Terran Never ended… Serral just kept the darkness at bay as long as he could. Now we are back in the dark times without our hero.

[@foxdie8302]

been a big Clem fan since he beat soO, Stats, Zest, and Cure at the Stay at Home cup in 2020. Love to see him doing so good now.

[@Alberto0_TV]

he is pretty good y. to be fair last 3 4 years zerg got nerfed until even serral cannot win anymore.

[@mathiaschaves7604]

@@Alberto0_TV Serral is still winning from Maru and most terrans non-stop. Reynor on the other hand is getting way better matches with Clem. It might be more about player styles than an imbalance of ghosts.

[@akungfustudent79]

@@mathiaschaves7604 it isn't. It IS completely about over nerfing to shut down ONE person, namely Serral. the fact that there is still only one Terran consistently beating him is a testament to Serral. Terran and specifically ghost are inarguably OP. This combined with a Terran favored map pool (according to stats Terran has 60% win rate on multiple of the new maps) means Terran OP. Clem is a great player, but also greatly assisted by recent Blizz decisions. Reynor plays against Clem all. the. time. thus his apparent advantages.

[@MrLocusthead]

​@@mathiaschaves7604 stutter stepping in 2 locations... Twitchy hands he must have.

[@mathiaschaves7604]

@@akungfustudent79 Yeah, it doesnt seem fair to Serral or the others Zergs, i guess. My main interest is to see the best player showup their amzing skills. Don't care about zergs/protos/terrans debate. On that note though, I don't think the recent rise of Clem migh be credit for an recent buff on terrans and Ghosts. If that was true, we woudnt see only Clem beating everyone else. However, nothing seems to have chaged for the others terrans. My only fear is to overnerf terrans just to shut Clem down as it happened with Serral.

[@Ariox_Z]

44 secs ago is insane, we just fking love your casts

[@yunfanfan9452]

I watched the series but occasionally went away to tend to other things (particularly before and during the start of games), and missed that they were playing random for game 1. LOL one couldn't tell that if starting to watch a minute into the game. Reynor vs Clem is the best matchup for the last two months in SC2, bar none.

[@clam741]

U gotta cheese vs Terran because Terran units seem to work against anything . Every unit has multiple uses vs everything , it’s crazy

[@Nizazel]

Yeah when polyvalence is "good against everything" it s bad

[@abyrvalg_]

even fucking mule can repair.

[@abyrvalg_]

I think the only examples might be banshee and reaper because they both don't shoot up.

[@clam741]

@@abyrvalg_ reepers heal I think

[@abyrvalg_]

@@clam741 yeah, all around unit, no need for medivacs.

[@stephenmyler779]

In Game 5, Reynor was "containing" Clem. That might be the word you were looking for....a proxy contain

[@ggtt2547]

9 SCVs and 3 mules are more economy than 24 drones? Yeah, sounds like the mule needs some nerfing, not the ghost...

[@BlockheadJiujitsu]

Yup. Terran can always recover from any eco damage, they never need to worry that much

[@JustinK0]

well the wiki says that a mule is like 3.5 a scv so thats equal to about 20 workers not 24

[@ZerglingLover]

@@JustinK0… I feel like that’s still op asf.

[@Jez4prez1]

Comparing the use of 3 mules at once is pointless. It just means he wasn't using them, so was losing mining at earlier points in the game lol. You're literally looking at the one moment in time where there is a peak in the graph, while ignoring the rest of the graph and the total picture. The real advantage of mules comes in later game. With the ability to build a big bank of CC's. In the early to mid game the mule doesn't provide actual advantage, it only keeps Terran to pace with Protoss and Zerg, since Zerg expand faster and can build drones much faster, and Protoss can build probes faster with Chrono. If you watch pro games, almost always in early to mid game (if no dmg done to worker count) then terran will always have lower worker count. Mule is OP only in late game, when they have like mass CC then they can cut worker count and have bigger army. But each race has a late game advantage that the other races don't have, i.e. Zerg can remax very fast, and protoss has recall and can also remax faster than people think with their warp in (plus they can warp in across the map also - which saves massive travel time (like 15-20 seconds) for reinforcing units). Any nerf to mule, will require readjustment to entire terran economy, including the ability to build SCV's much faster, and maybe even not have SCV waste time in building buildings etc (and have it like the probe, where it just places the structure there then can leave). And what you would really be doing is focusing on the late game mass CC advantage, where they can cut worker supply, or reducing that advantage slightly, not the early to mid game, which you need to keep pace with Z and P.

[@ZerglingLover]

@@Jez4prez1 That the mule wasn’t used optimally and is still op isn’t the argument you think it is. Also, why would a nerf to the mule require Terran to be able to make workers faster? Protoss doesn’t get Mules, has weaker and slower armies and doesn’t make their probes faster lol

[@cainabel404]

I think Reynor is the most creative top tier SC2 player I've ever watched. It has probably cost him in terms of consistent results over his career, as he seems to get too bored too easily to grind out solid builds to the level of a Serral, Maru or Clem, but his rate of surprising and impressing me with his inventiveness is just so high. Win or lose, he's goated in terms of watchability and contribution to the meta.

[@MrBoxxer95]

For the colors, after the first day the organizers decided that all plyers will play green and blue because of the outdoors theme of the tournament. And your color depends if you are left or right of the stage.

[@stoobydoobydoo]

@36:00 "are we gonna cheese again Reynor?" Yes, yes we are. Zerg straight up cant win a macro game right now. Its pointless to try to win once the Ghost's are out StarCraft 2 is in a terrible spot right now.

[@thedeadbaby]

It was the baneling nerf.

[@Mikivericks]

Thanks for the video, Lowko. Congratulations on the new record on Twitch! ❤

[@mathiaschaves7604]

Sorry, what record? From the hole twitch? SC2 is finally getting more popular?

[@raffimolero64]

"the game will end 1 minute after ghosts come out" > is only 30 seconds too early

[@urazoktay7940]

Amazing video, thank you Lowko! :D

[@dzieciak]

Clem, as frenchie should be a natural pickup artist.

[@PixelPower23]

loved the lowko poko play words, left my like at that moment

[@1KamaronConClase]

Great series and lovely cast as always! ❤

[@mrtiphat5405]

What a great series! I am pleased Reynor won a few. Clem is so good. I would like to see how they play as other races though.

[@baktiy.s.1065]

That game 1 wasn't Clem trying to prevent ghosts from getting nerfed. That was just him beating the allegation, like, Small-brains: "Clem is only dominating because ghosts are OP and they counter everything!" Clem: "Aight, bet."

[@user-nh2bf4to7g]

Yup; there's a bunch of other stuff Terran has that's IMBA too. Mines are still hugely taxing on action economy, extended range libs are probably a bit overtuned, I have no idea why the Medivac got a buff that no one asked for, etc. The problem is that for the last few patches Zerg and Protoss have gotten straight nerfs (baneling double-nerf, Infestor/Viper nerf, Disruptor nerf, etc), but every time Terran gets a nerf they get a "compensatory buff" somewhere else, so while Z and P have gotten weaker, Terrans have stayed the same, so it's a one-eyed-man is king situation.

[@bigboy4008]

@@user-nh2bf4to7g pero debes considerar que terran es el que más micro debe hacer para mantener sus unidades y es la raza que más tiene unidades con fuego amigo de las que las otras razas se benefician bastante, los baneling son mucho mas fuertes que las minas, pues no los puedes baitear, y sí están enterrados siempre hacen un gran daño a ejércitos enemigos... eso solo por mencionar un par de cosas

[@aleccampbell7707]

@@user-nh2bf4to7g I wouldn't mind speed upgrades lessening Concussive Shells effect or have them just be overall weaker v light units

[@Jez4prez1]

@@user-nh2bf4to7g

[@Jez4prez1]

@@user-nh2bf4to7g protoss got a few buffs last I saw. Why say they didn't? You can't even be impartial or factual. Read the patch notes. Besides, you should stop caring anyhow, you aren't on the balance council bro, whining doesn't change anything. You aren't even at the skill level where this matters.

[@TP_Rockstar]

your 1 min prediction was off by only 20 seconds. That's still pretty impressive.

[@ArtariusAurelius]

The best joke of the video was when Lowko suggested terran woukd be nerfed in a balance patch lol

[@propeacemindfortress]

No Lowko, No! There will be no lowking, powking or looking at pocos. Great cast and great jokes as always you crazy goudist 😂

[@propeacemindfortress]

and no Nun Inn.... This is going to far LowPax hahahah.

[@SoloChinchilla]

Love the cast!

[@hristokozhuharov8099]

Just for the record. When saw "xD" for the first time I was like: WTH is this kiddo just use ":)" like a normal person. And now those kids are considered old...

[@ataleofvalor]

its more of a laughing face than a smiling face, as a kid around reynor's age, but I didnt know we are now old, just turned 20 yesterday :(

[@Spartsou]

@@ataleofvalor I always thought, and used, it was/as a 'dying emoji' 😵 until a month ago, lol

[@NHP-lx8xi]

PiG said, backup bunker is a must! Who is wrong?

[@LowkoTV]

Probably PiG

[@liameleven]

14:00 big oof on the balance council there

[@Kazuhiro-i]

Bro u had 20 sec of difference from your prediction thst is pretty much epic 😂😂❤❤

[@crudkick]

I would suggest that a smaller proportion of SC2 enjoyers own yachts than the population in general

[@chir0pter]

17:15 18:35 lowko you were off by a whole 20s!

[@SrCipotebatea]

20:40 that's how you call them in spanish, ULTRAS and MUTAS

[@chir0pter]

Incredible game 2. I think if reynor does that build again he needs to have ling spotters at the ready to locate the first medevac drop

[@joeygawl4346]

I love this rivalry

[@zanna1166]

For some reason i liked watching Starcraft tournaments more than Famous Moba Tournaments There's something bout RTS that i like

[@redhyina5260]

with the thumbnail i thought clem was off race for a moment

[@normanharrison8215]

Lowko's sentiment about Ultralisk is something that most people can agree, I believe. I'm not Zerg main but it sounds far from being biased.

[@antonindekanovsky8242]

The test say nothing abaut the bass i have home the small version and bass level is very good and much more punchy like JBL this thing build the same group. The funkcionality for karaoke freeks is amazing i love this.

[@JohnDoe-kl6xg]

Owning yachts!?! 😂😂😂😂😂 Good one!!!!

[@ravayah]

Lowko is our Cato the Elder. Henceforth, every SC2 cast should end with "Ghosts must be nerfed."

[@Kazuhiro-i]

Is LowPax the best youtuber ever? Idk, But I sure love his casting 😊

[@rumar4u]

I think Reynor learned a bit from MSRM

[@Cowclops]

18:18 wasn't under a minute from when you said it'd be over, but thats still pretty close.

[@diontranekr6567]

It’s just a loong minute

[@johnchilton4005]

That Lowko's at Poko's thread was wild 😂

[@Ogonmujik]

"It is technically... ok nwm" xD

[@thumper5555]

They spawned as their mains, but they don't know what the other player spawned as.

[@SromBlessed]

Lovely games. It kinda shows how powerful Ghosts are in skillful hands, best players in the world do what they can to avoid them. But if you think about it... Snipe counters 80% of Zerg unit roster 😂 But more than Ghost nerf I would love to see some Orbital nerf to force players to use Ravens actively in any matchup. I think something as simple as limiting number of Orbitals to 2 or 3 would make very interesting change to meta

[@amiablereaper]

Clem making it look like terran doesn't NEED to scout

[@jamespidgeon8748]

That maps have completely fazed out run by attacks, you can leave little to no army at home.

[@iCortex1]

I haven't played SC2 in yeaaaaars but for some reason I decided to watch some pro games - i'm not good enough to play this game but watching it is really fun :3

[@zestyaardvarks]

Bro you just casually mentioned that there's a mod where observers can turn on unit skins? That's the exact thing I've been wanting to see for years!

[@simonmichel16]

I feel like the Ultras should be able to “walk over” certain units deemed small enough to do so.

[@JakeZGR]

Uncle Lowko showing his age and revealing that he walked with the dinosaurs

[@georgisgarage]

So cool bulgarian canadian fan here

[@smithling1700]

Obligatory comment for the algorithm :-) Thanks for all the casts.

[@marckorinchock4947]

Potential noob logic: I don't quite understand why the Infestor has left the mid game. Since Reynor was fast teching to Hive, wouldn't it have made sense to build a couple of Infestor in the mix? I know it would have delayed his Hive tech by a little bit, but Clem got some FANTASTIC engagements on creep that denied several bases. Having like two Infestor split off into two separate armies seems as though it would make Clem think twice before stepping that deep onto creep. It might also have expedited the process to Ghost seeing Infestor that early which would have made the transition to Ultra less surprising? However, Clem's micro is top notch. He appears to be able to kite Ultra well even on creep. Again, I recognize I am not a pro gamer but the Infestor being considered as only a late game unit seems odd to me.

[@ataleofvalor]

I think thats a fair point, he probly just wanted to go all in on the ultra surprise since he'd need to go a bit slower with infestors and wouldn't be able to punish the lack of ghosts as quickly, and I think they're more used to catch ghosts and things in the late game

[@marckorinchock4947]

@@ataleofvalor Oh agreed! They are very much regarded as a strictly late game unit. But as another random thought, what if they were used as an all in unit for a ling/bane, Infestor timing attack potential? Get like 4 or 5 Infestor, and just push hard into the Terran. Their 4th base shouldn't be up so yes you would have a choke but not be fighting into a planetary. Also, if Zerg can snowball their economy by pushing back bio early on, wouldn't that allow them to build up a max army faster? Commit to like a 1/1 ling/bane timing attack with Infestor support as another option. If the push fails, worst case scenario you can still tech into Lurker, Ultra or a Brood Lord composition. The hopes would also be that it keeps Terran mostly on their side of the map which allows the Zerg to expand more rapidly. Or try to swarm them with Hydra, ling/bane and Infestor if they go hard into ghost to try to get more effective trades. Again, just throwing this out there as a random ass idea.

[@hiddentruth1982]

depends on if it's a sailboat or not. Some have both sails and motors.

[@evillocust3241]

22:41 that's what she said

[@J.Severin]

😂

[@dylanwatts9344]

What late game unit doesn't ghosts counter? I guess Thors and BCs if it's TvT.

[@emilybjoerk]

Petition to rename ultralisks to midralisks.

[@maniac6655]

the way serral pronounces Mutas and Ultras sounds like german xD

[@Spartsou]

wow....that game 2 with the mootas, was great! ha! that game 3 was great! love cheeses

[@ricknewton459]

I like to call them ultimatumLISKS, very rarely do people use them as a regular unit. but instead to lots of bio terrans.

[@carlossanz1062]

Uff Reynolds really tried but he couldn’t

[@ipotatoe_28]

I'm wondering why Reynor didn't prioritize making a spore crawler or two on his forward bases during Game 1. It's less mining, but it can divert or slow down medivac drops, no?

[@michaelioannou7568]

I guess cheese is back on the menu boys😂

[@kosmosXcannon]

Ultralisk always seem a bit useless since it seems like it gets countered so easy. Wonder if swapping it around with a lower tier unit would make them a bit more viable. Swapping it with what, I don't know. At least the Protoss Mothership at least has a function at times.

[@TyphoonJig]

I think a good upgrade for them would be to allow zerglings/banes to run under (like colossus or campaign abominations) them and to be immune to AoE while they're under an ultra. That way, they'll at least work as enablers for other units plus they'll struggle less to reach melee.

[@ataleofvalor]

@@TyphoonJig I think immunity to aoe would be too strong, but I think that is a cool idea to close the gap sooner with lings and ultras

[@venusmask]

I thing there is no yacht owners that watch your vids regularly. Also i always find it funny when the age of sc2 player base is old because im 19 and i like the youngest player i know of

[@WayneBrown1986]

38y old. E-Sport grandpa. ✌🏻

[@heikg]

"crossing his toes"? Were you by any chance visiting BG as well?

[@logik1677]

game 4, scouting the lair at 6:18.... "oh no..." lol

[@theace0815]

Tier 1 terran units cut anything else like butter

[@Nervi121]

if Reynor perfects it, it's gonna look a lot different, he seemed lost and confused on how to continue a few times

[@LDSG_A_Team]

Next patch: Marines deal 1 less damage against structures. Calling it now.

[@arkhust6775]

Thats the spanish way of saying ultras and mutas

[@N0FoxGiven]

Why is every video I find someone trying to cheese or troll Clem specifically.

[@Killcycle]

Why did Clem leave the third game, as he is on 3 bases and not dead at all. Also killed the spire😮

[@screes620]

I'd say nerf the Medivacs instead of the ghosts. Less energy regen, or less health per second healed, something like that. Also, Clem has honed the single skill of beating Serral it feels like, and Serral plays a very standard way, so it does not surprise me at all that non standard play trips him up.

[@aleccampbell7707]

Is the Medivac speed boost energy based?

[@Estafreak]

Wait it took this long for client side mods to work?

[@WastedTalent83]

it would have been fun, if the role were inverted in the first round, raynor with terran and clem with zerg xD

[@yakuzaduc5047]

I watched german sc2 casts a long time ago... I think they call them mutas and ultras too. Might remember it wrong though

[@blackrain711]

Reynor win>Dark win>Protoss win>Zerg win>Terran win. 💜

[@EnlistedReb]

I think that ship has sailed lmao come on

[@ghosthamster6521]

Ghosts are too essencial for the terran army. You can't really nerf them, because the race cannot function well without them. A unit that is super strong, that isn't super essential, that makes for slow and boring games is the siege tank. A new map pool is pretty much guaranteed to be a tank nerf considering how good this one is for them, but a direct siege tank nerf should come through. Ghosts are not the problem, the ghost mine style clem and olivera play are super fun to watch. It's the tank ghost + turtling that makes for boring games, and that is something a balance patch should target. Also a direct tank nerf would make tvt more fun.

[@sckanis]

At only 2 pop dont u think they are too pop efficient? Resource-wise they are easily the most pop efficient massable unit in the game. For example, battlecruiser is 133 mineral 100 gas per 2 pop. Ghost is 150 mineral 125 gas per 2 pop. Raising ghost pop requirement would make them less efficient to mass in late game while still being just as good and essential part of army compositions.

[@TyphoonJig]

Then it's the terran army that needs to be nerfed. Spellcasters work as enablers of a core comp. The situation we're in (that terran spellcasters lock the late game in favor of terran with no counterplay) is either a problem of ghost being too strong or the core marine/marauder/medivac is too strong. And yeah, you can nerf ghost auto attack and defense without impacting the unit role, just make it less YOLO to include in fights. They're the sturdiest spellcaster and have the stats of a main line unit at the same time all while being the caster costing the less gas. Imagine if high templars had stalker defenses and DPS.

[@ataleofvalor]

you could nerf them to make them a bit weaker but not shit, then terran can still use them for their normal function just fine

[@ghosthamster6521]

@@TyphoonJig "Then it's the terran army that needs to be nerfed." Ya that's what i'm saying. Tanks are anti fun. If ghosts are the best unit terran has, tanks are the second best. It's not a bad thing for ghosts to be strong. It's bad for terran to afk behind a bunch of buildings trying to create an unbreakable defense. When a race needs a nerf, why not nerf the least active, zero fun, low risk high reward strategy. There is so much attention on the ghost when the tank ruins the game.

[@j1u4hoctb]

Are you going to comment and post that game you've mentioned too?

[@terrynt]

bring back the burrow charge of ultras

[@ZEROCh_KJCh]

yes green zergs. let's go!!!

[@snack1264]

Ahh yeah, boats! Sophisticated folk here. Mmm I just lit my cigar poured me some scotch and am enjoying this carnage 😑😊

[@As3th8r]

Well i am the XD generation. We basicly were the first to grow up "in" the internet.

[@afroman91794]

I learned to sail last year =0

[@Killcycle]

Why its said baserace instrade of basetrade?

[@gabapc]

i've just heard today before this vid that maxpax recent record against clem is 12 - 12 in series. Is this true?

[@brandonout2873]

im 18 an XD and i still use it i think its a great little emoticon

[@adamhubbert8896]

At my MMR they're pretty ultra.

[@Yks-senpai]

As I find it amusingly irritating that Clem looks like a boss from the Souls series, the more he loses, the stronger he becomes.

[@ImaginaryMdA]

It seems like if a ZvT reaches the late game, zerg just dies. Right?

[@user-nh2bf4to7g]

Yup; it used to be that terrans had to go to spooky mech to win, which had mobility issues, but nowadays Zerg and Protoss have been nerfed so much that ghost-lib can just steamroll everything. That, plus the three experimental maps that all turned out to be incredibly Terran-favored is the reason that half the EWC was TvT and the few Zergs and Protoss who could even advance had to rely on cheeky all-ins and luck to survive, well except for Serral but that's Serral. The only real question is if Starcraft 2 even has anyone left that even can issue a patch on the game, given that MS has laid off like half of Blizzard's staff as part of the merger (which made their promises to the US FTC and EU utter lies, but oh well, it's not like they're going to get punished or anything). I guess we'll see in the next few months, or if we'll just have to rename the game Terrancraft.

[@mythhy6451]

Only if it's Clem.

[@ataleofvalor]

@@user-nh2bf4to7gThe patches are run by the balance council now, not blizzard

[@LDSG_A_Team]

Do purple and yellow for tomorrow's video!

[@Kimdyt]

when did we stop calling 1-1-1 "destiny cloud fist"?

[@NoProtect]

Do we just not target down medivacs anymore?