Reynor's CONFUSING Drone Rushes! (StarCraft 2)

[@juansaldana7976]

That surprised "Ah gg!", at 12:29 was so endearing!

[@thegoodthebadandtheugly579]

Yeah, and the silence 😀 was great

[@mmsizzlak]

Lowko used the Dark to trick us into watching the last matchup

[@starsywh7170]

How dirty.... Anyway I would see it no matter what 😂

[@thorwaldjohanson2526]

I think the reason mirror matchups don't get so many views is that most people wanna see serral, clem, maxpax, reynor.

[@IcariumGaming]

​@@thorwaldjohanson2526The reason why is variety, almost all fights are countered by the same unit composition. There is very little deviation in strategies, or unit variety. Vikings? Then both sides mass produce Vikings to control the air, Phoenixes? Mass produce... Corruptors for corruptors, otherwise they will go brood lords.

[@novice1014]

​@@thorwaldjohanson2526 Mirror matchups has always been unpopular even back in Wings of Liberty, way before those four's time.

[@PoeticMistakes]

i have a theory that the lower viewer count on mirrored games is due to people who prefer to watch gameplay in a preferred race. and thus a mirror match covering fewer viewer's races

[@IcariumGaming]

I can see that affecting some viewership, but then we are looking at 1/3 amount of viewers. Personally I will watch even if it is a mirror, but mirrors tend to be boring. The counter to most units, are the exact same units. Tank? Tank. Phoenixes? Pheonix. Corruptors? Corruptors. Baneling? Banelings. The match isn't about strategy, it is about who messes up big enough first, and there is next to no chance in a comeback as the economy will be handled the same.

[@PoeticMistakes]

@@IcariumGaming then how do you respond to for example how TvTs have a whole lot of mech v bio. they are not countered by themselves. but rather it becomes a contest between competing subfactions within Terran.

[@ThaSPAWN]

@@PoeticMistakes Lowko mentioned specifically ZvZ, which is affected by this the most. Still, I love this kind of chash every so often. In third games late game, it was clear that Reynor made big advantage by being faster, and thus getting better trades. Still a fun match!

[@bibouxstn8050]

I don't care I watch all of lowko :3

[@IcariumGaming]

​@@PoeticMistakesWell, I was giving my opinion. If you are asking for my opinion on this, it is because most terrains who go mech, do so at the beginning of a match. Investing heavily into that infrastructure, where those who go bio, have a lot more barracks at the start. If both start with bio, they both transition to mech at roughly the same time to respond to the opponent doing the same. Zerg, that isn't really the case as a single structure allows production across all hatcheries. Protoss tends to be the exact same as skipping straight to air toss, you lose harassment and are forced to play defensively from the start, being beaten economically by the other protoss and giving them the ability to swiftly outgrow you.

[@RandomTheories]

ok, 5min Bo3 was nothing I was expecting

[@Big5ocks]

Is it 2010 again?

[@jlee1522]

Would've been kinda funny if you uploaded a 6 min video of 2 drone rushes :)

[@TubeTAG]

"...Wait a minute, April 1st was two weeks ago."

[@grolash6219]

WinterStarcraft did it

[@titimtitim9465]

This has to be one of the shortest series you've casted incredible

[@WeItenspinner]

2 series in one video? Awesome! :D

[@frosty6960]

The first one was a flash tho

[@Daniel-rd6st]

5:40: It was long enough for Winter to make a full video ^^

[@ghostpeople9991]

I subscribe to both so when I saw lowko with a similar title but different length I was looking forward to the wow, comments and then the second series

[@Owlr4ider]

Reynor seems to hate ZvZ so much that he double drone rushed Dark and simply went Protoss vs Solar. I mean yeah Reynor did play a lot of PvZ for a while but I thought he was over it and back to Zerg in all matchups...

[@qneverc]

Seeing the 2nd hatch right away punished by a rush like that was so satisfying. It bothers me that 99% of pro games seem to consist of both players agreeing to expand right away.

[@jonathonspears7736]

Wouldn't making defensive spines be the proper counter? Am i wrong there. Cancel the 2nd hatch when you see it coming and start 3 spines before the opponent gets to your base?

[@randomstranger1188]

2 best of three's? You spoil us. Fantastic matches, Fantastic casting.

[@joqlepecheur7350]

playing Protoss probably present a motivational advantage for Reynor. It can be a way to keep it fresh and have a positive mindset on SC2

[@TheJJMan217]

14:33 had me rethinking my life choices & what I want in life... I was not ready for that..

[@drewskiwest5284]

12:20 - 12:36 was a nice attempt but i loved that build reynor did. very nice makes me want to jump on sc2 and try to play a few games.

[@ryanwsu4]

Anyone else hear Petey Pablo’s voice when Lowko said “couple roaches over here, couple roaches over there”??? (I am old) 32:10

[@SkagulTV]

Lowko: Cheese doesnt work vs the best of the best Raynor: Hold my wine!

[@CerbyTF]

You can't trick me into watching any mirror race match ups, because i see a lowko video i watch it. All matches have potential to be the best series.

[@JM-pq1rs]

Lol had to watch your cast, winter had a good cast of it too, but after 5 minutes he was like, well, guess that's the full series, video done hahaha

[@ab-rw9jk]

When Reynor swapped to protoss I was really expected a cannon rushes.

[@markrose8440]

im curious if there is any way to counter 12 pool drone pull without having to blind counter it.

[@louis42365]

I honestly don’t mind ZvZ : it’s like a bare-knuckle mud fight :D

[@phaenoful]

Ahh so Lowko read some Stormlight Archive 7:24 :)

[@michaeljohn6030]

Hey Loko just wanted to say that I would like to see more varieties of matchups including mirror matches. I think that there might be a good percentaage you could go for, like 5-10% so that it doesn't hurt your numbers too much but satiates your more hardcore viewership with some variety. Ty and ftr I have been watching you for years now and I hope to help support you financially soon as thanks.

[@drewskiwest5284]

19:30 i think a few sentries would have helped a TON in killing that base, more so than revelation / oracle. just my thought since you could not only wall off/pinch reinforcements, but also retreating ones that came off creep while you build a robo for immortals + observer to counter roaches and the next stage of game. plus didn't sentries get massive, massive buffs? if only they got a .5 range increase or .75 at least. their range is what's keeping them from being really truly useful since their range is putting them far too close in a lot of match ups so they're really only good for having a couple to shield/stagger shield and the others to wall as much as they can. same argument with one oracle, since he has so many queens, one misclick is bye bye oracle just for killing 3 tumors? i don't see reynor winning this one as his blink micro is VERY sloppy compared to what i should be. where my previous comments state that being top of the line in one race and then wanting to be same level of play with the other 2, you can easily tilt yourself on your off-race and have it carry over onto your main race and send you into a spiral out... which often leads to burn outs. as a person who enjoyed playing protoss during beta and stayed in the highest rating bracket at the time since most of the maps were small rush distances and i hated macro games, it was perfect for the 2gate proxy zealot rush / block ins. as well as cannon rushes and combos. but then retail release allowed for koreans (naturally) to show people the remedy EN MASS and you'd only beat people with quite a skill gap. still maintained highest bracket for the longest time. when they introduced plat and diamond i got those then masters. but i've never been GM. i've gotten to masters in all 3 races however my terran is 10000% not masters level... my protoss was arguably able to maintain masters if i played whole season. same with zerg. tbh, i MIGHT have been able to push into SUPER SUPER SUPER LOW GM with TONS of LUCK with zerg. i simply just don't have enough time to play that many games with ANY race much less selecting 3 different ones or going flat out for random... the issue with random is 50% of the opponents will auto cheese thinking you're cheesing. so you can't reliably practice builds or new builds. in the same breath, map vetos matter a lot when it comes to which best serve your selected race but its difficult to balance with random. my least favorite match up is TvT (especially ppl who ONLY play terran) then TvZ, then ZvZ, then PvZ, i enjoy ZvP to an EXTENT, its been a while and with the new terran nerfs i'll have to see. same with protoss' nerf and buffs. anyway. on to the next comment later if i have anything to say.

[@joeylehman9649]

The arrow is back!!!!

[@SandorBR]

I have absolutly no complains with this upload! 10/10

[@arvinjancruz5175]

great series!

[@ZirJo]

Journey before destination indeed, Knight Radiant

[@brianpurcell833]

Those drone rushes were so fucking sexy

[@matthiasvancauteren3107]

those first 5 minutes kind of show why we don't see many mirror matches I guess lol

[@sebastianvasquez4175]

JAHAJAHAJAAH reynor the hero gave us 2 series :')

[@dariusgunter5344]

Lokow I want to start a petition for mirror Monday, one day a week we get a mirror match as I agree they are quite fun in a different way than "normal" games

[@oddeda]

TBH that first win Reynor got was super lucky and undeserved. Really weird Solar made such a huge blunder a minute before winning.

[@alex_marianyi]

When Reynor has fun, the fans have fun!

[@artcrafter9941]

Ive had this problem with the blizzard server connection a lot in the last days. Sometimes for hours. Sometimes they don't allow my login or don't find my account or what. Idk whats wrong though. it works sometimes

[@steffensimon2949]

Reynor lol. Also realizing how op lurkers are haha

[@Nathan-hl3bp]

Thanks for the regular content Lowko! :D

[@icekoozie4261]

I'm a simple man. I hear "Jouney before Destination" I like the video. o7 Brandon Sanderson fan.

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

41 minute video, best of 3? Nice, a proper set of 10-15 minute gam--oh.

[@drewskiwest5284]

14:49 ish - yes, i absolutely agree with ALL of that. when you're making money at something you're not only LOVE but you're also among the TOP of the TOP, one of the KEY aspects is to also still find a way to have fun to avoid MANY MANY setbacks, such as 1) the biggest one, BURN OUT - total, unadulterated and brutal BURN OUT 2) spreading yourself too thin and going on tilt that spreads across all 3 races 3) overall loss of interest in the game regardless of the income... which could be hypothetically tied for first unless you have a REALLY GOOD grasp on your financials, as well as potentially investments, and someone you trust to handle taxes and IRS because... the Taxman is no joke...

[@Phi1618033]

Just watched the first match up on Winter's channel and I had to see Lowko's reaction.

[@Markfr0mCanada]

Hopefully nobody skipped 3 minutes to get to the good stuff!

[@fireshark8637]

:( is it just me or I feel really bad for dark like that wow u could have heard the sadness inside it 😢and he lost a series in 6 min such a shame bc I love dark gameplay

[@dariusgunter5344]

I would've been fine with a five minute 3 game series

[@bibouxstn8050]

Dark me once, shame on you, Dark me twice shame on me

[@Malpheron]

It's confusing to be barracking for Solar over Reynor.

[@flaviusclaudius7510]

Glance away for five mins to let the game get started and the *entire series* has finished.

[@drewskiwest5284]

good LAWD 1k apm to where it AVERAGES at 475-500.... that's just crazy...

[@Kwestor92]

I feel You start to use "tricky" more often

[@terrynt]

5 mins video is fine, lowko lol

[@DarsusD]

2 for 1! Thats awesome

[@blackrain711]

Even though I love Protoss. Raynor Protoss is awesome.

[@Heptagone16]

i guess that's what we get for asking for mirror matches :(

[@lockpickingstudent1255]

We almost had a 6 minute video

[@ArchangelJuicy]

Protoss Reynor ✊

[@drmrc42]

SPOILER SHIELD

[@ivy3z]

i love zvz and watch every upload :)

[@ZirJo]

I do like ZvZ from time to time =)

[@pepinillorick5741]

He just have to make a spine wtf

[@HU4r0llz]

What if your viewers actually don't mind mirror matchups at all? Hear me out, I have an alternative theory for the lower view counts! There might be a tendency for ladder heroes to prefer watching videos that feature their own in-game race because it's easier to identify/learn. If that's true a non-mirror matchup video would attract more ladder heroes than a mirror matchup video. Simply because it would attract ladder heroes of two different races (for example a PvZ would attract both P and Z players while a ZvZ would only attract Z players).

[@Kalahomoboy]

Hello Lowko❤

[@Rodrigo-vw8fy]

This is Reynor's redemption

[@DUDA-__-]

Reynor wants to overtake uThermal as random?

[@drewskiwest5284]

this feels like Reynor is disrespecting Dark in a ZvZ match up by starting off first game with a few lings and worker pull rush... that's just cruel... then he does it again 2nd game. though since its a 40 something minute video, and it says "best of 3" - i guess it goes 1-1 then someone wins 2nd game at 2-1 or you do two different match ups and he wins with this rush 2-0 which is insane.

[@drewskiwest5284]

5:27 wow 2-0... in less than 8minutes in a bo3 series... that seriously seems like Reynor absolutely disrespecting his opponent by saying "look how easy i beat you with cheese there's no way you're at my skill level." does anyone else feel like that's what he's showing...? or get that feeling??

[@austriandota]

Is there so few sc2 pro games or why are winter and u always having the same games. I really love what u do but i always saw the games already. 😢

[@theperson912]

because they both try to cast the super entertaining games. lowko posts a cast like every day, ofc there will be some overlap

[@anthonyp3452]

Spoiler Shield! Like this comment to ensure others aren’t spoiled by the top comment!

[@davidas5049]

You are an angel!

[@bobsnedekers]

Zerg wins!!!

[@IcariumGaming]

​@@bobsnedekersaw that actually might be a spoiler lol, since the second series in protoss vs zerg

[@voltaire9176]

Like beggar

[@burgesj7]

​@@voltaire9176nailed it

[@aresagathos2075]

i mind, should have ended the video after 5 minutes. XD

[@PrinsMaandag]

wp wp

[@Candle45]

I wanted a zvz

[@oleksardkushniryuk139]

Wd Raynor

[@navins11]

TvT fun matchup? HELL NO TO THE NO NO NO NOOO.

[@Quin.Bioinformatics]

Why not just avoid the spine crawlers and focus on removing drones and lings? they couldnt reach the hatchery no? It felt like the way people get beat by a cannon or planetary rush.

[@mrcontrary6311]

Except spine crawlers can move.

[@Quin.Bioinformatics]

@@mrcontrary6311 while moving, useless, while burrowing, useless -- burrow time ~8s? I think this was a panic reaction.

[@hivetech4903]

@@Quin.Bioinformatics Uh... Spines can move one at a time, they don't have to move out of range of each other, and you're suggesting you let them all finish...

[@Quin.Bioinformatics]

@@hivetech4903 Im suggesting a triage - it would look like leaving the last two and switching focus to the drones and lings, which were out numbered in that moment and actively doing damage.

[@WhatopiaHololiveClipper]

First!

[@alexandreroudaut3418]

Reynor wins! Spoiler com, like this comment to spoil others!

[@alexandreroudaut3418]

I liked my own comment to spoil others ^^

[@JavierMartinez-oe3qk]

😶‍🌫

[@N0noy1989]

Dark used a variant of this against Serral during an IEM, I think 2020 or something? Rogue was still around that time. Serral's counter was to micro drones to stop Dark's drones from being able to position spine crawlers. Serral didn't make evos to block, which is the usual counter, but he individually microed drones to block the spines.

[@cyberkekosis]

i demand more mirror matches, especially TvT especially bronze especially with worst nukes in the history love how Reynor casually makes zerg seem overpowered in ZvZ

[@drewskiwest5284]

32:32 ish, yeah no many ppl enjoy zerg mirror. i think the lamest mirror is terran. i hated the era in WoL where it was tanks/vikings. and whoever got lucky vision first won or whoever conversely, if they lost just ONE tank first would lose.

[@snippie6]

I watch most if not all of your casts after watching the dank winter cast before them! I tend to fall asleep watching your casts, they really help with that, soooo 100% view time on all the videos from me.

[@drewskiwest5284]

at 8:50 ish you completely talked through and missed his first adept going to zerg and we don't now how that interaction went ;\

[@Mikivericks]

Thanks for the video, Lowko. Reynor must enjoy a lot of wine with all that cheese he enjoys to do.

[@EvilPineappl]

I like ZvZ so technically your trick didnt work on me :(

[@drewskiwest5284]

oof 22:40 push into protoss natural and ultimately main looks to seal the deal, lets see if i'm correct.

[@CenJohan]

Reynor moved to Korea to be the best Korean Zerg.