Phillips Screws Suck

[@shaji6481]

Man thank you for explaining this. I used to think I was an idiot anytime I’d have trouble with my Philips screwdriver. This makes so much sense now.

[@liampascoe6865]

aslong as you have enough pressure pressing down on the screw, its really a non-issue. phillips works perfectly fine for all 3 of these screw types.

[@modernNeanderthal800]

It wasn't me!!!

[@modernNeanderthal800]

​@liampascoe6865 i find that the square bit fits within cross or straight bolts. Most recently on my electrical panel and cabinets

[@darrencampbell8817]

​@@liampascoe6865 Something tells me all of the furniture in your house has stripped hardware 🤣

[@emmettturner9452]

@liampascoe6865 Clearly, you’ve never dealt with the butter-soft brass screws in a Japanese carburetor. This has been the bane of classic sport bike enthusiasts for decades, though thankfully even the Ninja 250 is fuel-injected these days (no carbs).

[@joesmith942]

I have JIS bits. I didn't know I had JIS bit, just thought of them as a weird Phillips bit. Good to understand this.

[@LRN2DIY]

It’s one of those things that nobody shows us!

[@brandonhorwath6351]

I just learned about the existence of JIS screws. I too, have some bits, apparently...

[@Gurundiaocinac]

Found con small carbs, know your tools!

[@goose-lw6js]

Well what the video forgot to explain is that JIS is actually obsolete since like 15 years and not really sold as that anymore. It has been superseded by ISO 8764-1 & 2 PH which (unfortunately) is the same standard as Philips and pretty confusing. There's a decent chance you accidentally buy a "JIS" type, especially if your tool comes from Japan or Europe (and it's not a Pozidriv).

[@erniemiller1953]

THis makes a lot of sense now. I wondered why my philips would sometimes slip, some times strip, and sometimes not fit.

[@orthotron]

tbf, that's just philips being philips

[@victortitov1740]

@@orthotron and i blame pozi for this common perception that ph is bad. No, ph is good, it's the confusion between ph and pz multiplied by the ubiquity of ph that makes everyone hate it. I hate pz, i see a lot of claims that it's better but from my experience it is significantly worse that ph.

[@orthotron]

@@victortitov1740 I don't care for either really. I use hex and torx

[@martybuck]

I’m with you

[@civotamuaz5781]

Sometimes dip sometimes tip and occasinally nip

[@ScytheNoire]

This just makes me hate Phillips even more. As a Canadian, Robertson all the way.

[@LRN2DIY]

I do love Robertson, especially since it can be used on almost all electrical screws.

[@sergioramos734]

As A Mexican, I also go full Robertson 😂😂 thousand times better than Phillips

[@robertrada4783]

As a worldly dude. I carry every drive style and could give a hoot.

[@Jack-ns5mn]

Try to take them out. If you aren't perfectly straight, they usually strip the square. Love the torx.

[@Mixwell1983]

I've had more cam out on deck screws using Robertson over torx. Torx are superior

[@stuckgrenadepin.225]

There shouldn’t be any Phillips type screws anymore. The Robertson/square bit is superior, torx is superior. Every new screw should be made out of one of those.

[@rolls_8798]

Torx is great but more prone to stripping out with even minor corrosion, or getting packed with grease and grime which doesnt allow the bit to properly seat - this has been my experience working with dozens of whipper snippers and tools Robertson is cool but i've seen it like 4 times here in australia. Nice decking screws though

[@stuckgrenadepin.225]

@ that’s fair, but I would still rather deal with that than Phillips or flat head.

[@stuckgrenadepin.225]

@ I have always had a set of picks in every toolbox since I was in the army though. And for screwheads that are exposed to the elements I will often just put a dab of silicone over each one when I finish. You can pull the silicone out easily if you need to and the picks allow you to clean out any gunked up screwheads. It’s a little more work but worth it in the long run to me.

[@rolls_8798]

@@stuckgrenadepin.225 fair enough but doesn't help when you're not the owner or not the last person to work on it. And the stuff i work on has pretty small screws and my picks aren't small enough to deal with the buildup in those. Torx is wonderful for electronics and most power tools though, if they were stainless steel like on some stihls they would be alright for garden equipment as well but they're usually not. The cavity also holds water that becomes acidic from released metal ions and can rust them out much easier than something like a phillips - although my preference for that case is internal hex - relies on fewer fine features that will strip out

[@libre-serwis]

@@rolls_8798 If a Torx corrodes, you can at least hammer in a driver of the next size. If a Phillips corrodes, you're in for a treat.

[@andrewpeacock4695]

Look carefully at 0:41. Pozidriv iis used to attach the hinge to the door. However, Phillips is used to attach the hinge to the frame. Why?

[@jagmarc]

To sell more product.

[@martinstent5339]

I own a JIS screwdriver that was delivered with some Japanese equipment around 40 years ago. It still looks like new, even though I must have used it on tens of thousands of screws. It will grip everything, JIS, Philips, Posidrive, whatever. I think my great grandchildren still be using it in 100 years time!!

[@jonathanjones3126]

Simple tools made of quality material that aren't excessively abused last a long time

[@5002seven]

Lord knows I've stripped a Home Depot's worth a screws not knowing this. Good stuff.

[@jagmarc]

That's the whole point, to sell more.

[@fcschoenthal]

I learned years ago about JIS bits working on my Honda Goldwing. Like you said, they work well on regular Phillips too. Wouldn't be without them now. - Chris

[@LRN2DIY]

That’s awesome. Lots of comments here about Honda using them.

[@mrcryptozoic817]

Pozidrive and Pozisquare (Canada) screws are perfect for heavy duty applications. 24 years ago I did my entire deck with them and even was able to extract them to replace a few boards a couple of years ago. And then used the same screws to screw the new boards down. Literally awesome!

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Yep, they're great for basic general purpose screws. Philips done right, essentially

[@jaklumen]

How is Pozisquare different from the old Robertson design, if at all? Genuinely curious.. I'm in the US and have seen Robertson more in recent decades. Anything that isn't slot "standard" screw, at least. They are quite common for plate covers to US 120V outlets (10-20A) and I hate 'em. Still run into them with the house I live in - cheap construction from the late '70s

[@mrcryptozoic817]

@@jaklumen Square point on Phillips "wings". So the square holds 𝑎𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ the Phillips-like wings. So the driver fits deeply into the head. There is no pointy end to cam-out.

[@xkimopye]

Those Canadian square screws are terrible, they fill up with dirt causing the bit to not go in fully and strip out the screws, also you can’t use a the same screw tip for different size screws. Phillips lets you use different size screws with the same screw tip which is essential for maintenance on houses when so many different size screws are used.

[@charlespratt8663]

If you dont have a JIS screwdriver you can grind a small amount off the tip of a regular Philips screwdriver. This will alter the profile and allow it to seat well in a JIS screw head.

[@ehsnils]

Not entirely true given what was stated in the video about the valleys of the blade.

[@charlespratt8663]

@@ehsnils But close enough for government work...

[@bigdapramirez6157]

Pretty sure it's illegal to alter the rifling on your screwdriver

[@AgentOrange96]

I got a set of JIS screwdrivers because I have a Japanese car. But I have absolutely no clue where most of my Philips head screwdrivers went, so I've been lazily using the JIS ones for a while. I'm glad to hear I'm accidentally a genius.

[@johnhorner5711]

Well now I know why the bits I have by Milwaukee that say Pozidrive on them don't work for me on standard phillips screws. I thought that was just a Milwaukee brand name for "drives screws very positively!". I'm a 63 year old who has been fixing and building things since I was in elementary school, yet you taught me something new. Thank you.

[@JacquesPPage]

One of the best screw design is the Robertson or Square. They come in number 1, 2 and 3 sizes and handle very high torque and hold the screws nicely They are widely used in Canada.

[@kristofferholst6053]

Pozidrive is what we used to use in Europe, Torx is more prevalent in construction. Granted you can still buy and find the but nowhere near to the same extend like 20-40 years ago and yeah I know it’s still used in ikea flat packs. But to be honest is so stupid the amount of screwdrivers you need to have nowadays. I have full sets of both bits and drivers of: Phillips, pozi, flat, Torx and Allen. Thank god I hardly ever come across Robertson - I know it’s an excellent format, I just don’t need another

[@125brat]

Plus there's the tamper proof versions of torx, hex (Allen), triwing. Bristol spline and others such as snake-eye etc.

[@grahamleiper1538]

Most common use of Robertson square drive here in Europe is with Kreg pocket hole screws.

[@iggysixx]

Pozi is what we still use in Europe, good sir ;) . Most wood screws here (at least in NL) are Pz. Torx is reserved for heavy duty stuff (like long construction screws (as you mentioned), or specialized screws for decking) And Phillips is still the standard for drywall screws, plate metal screws, and a lot of electrical screws too (inside of outlets, electrical panels, and electronic devices). These are basically the only applications where over-tightening would damage your work in problematic ways.

[@ChongLi99]

Torx is very common in cars too. I have a car that although was sold as GM, it is an OPEL project and have a LOT of Torx screws. Normally T20 or T25.

[@jaklumen]

​@@iggysixxI wish Phillips was much more common for US electrical outlets. The cover plates tend to be secured with slot head screws

[@ThatCigarGuy]

Ok. I'm over 50 years old, consider myself pretty handy and I did not know this. I'll be getting some JIS bits right now. Sheesh I feel like a total dummy for not knowing!

[@LRN2DIY]

You’re not a dummy at all! I’m 46 and only learned about these in the last four or five years and I work around screws and drivers all the time!

[@mos8541]

my name is muh name is CAM OUT CAMOUT MAH NAME IS CAMOUT CAMOUT

[@robertrada4783]

JIS has conformed to ISO for decades now. The days when JIS meant something unique are long gone. This is a thing with camera lenses and motorcycles from the 1970’s. It’s not a thing now. Those Vessel JIS screwdrivers conform to the same standards as Wiha, Wera, PB Swiss, Felo and so on. I laughed at the part where he was talking about the screw hanging onto a screwdriver that isn’t magnetised. Every screwdriver should do that. If it doesn’t, it’s either worn out or a piece of junk.

[@zacandmillie]

Same here

[@bertblue9683]

My thoughts exactly. Been in construction, commercial and residential for 30 years and didn't know this. But definitely have seen and fought slippage in those cabinet hardware screws.

[@Sight-Beyond-Sight]

I switched out my regular wood/deck screws with T-25 for my home tasks. NEVER GOING BACK to phillips... This is a nice bit of info though. Goes to show why wood shop classes in high school are so important!!

[@LRN2DIY]

Right? Torx is a joy to work with.

[@stuckgrenadepin.225]

@@LRN2DIYRobertson is also a great choice. Except for fine electronic work or something like glasses, I think Phillips and flat head should be phased out completely.

[@zaxmaxlax]

Yep. I did the same years ago, I only buy torx screws.

[@user-vc5rp7nf8f]

anything with a plus or X head is terrible. the design is inherently flawed because it can't handle torque

[@stuckgrenadepin.225]

@ and flat heads are rarely deep enough to handle torque either, the driver ends up slipping off and often scratches up whatever you’re working on. That’s why I wish square drive were more popular. A square drive can be put in anything a Phillips can as well as most flat heads. I get that for some things excessive torque is to be avoided, but most rougher carpentry or mechanical applications will require torque.

[@Stelios.Posantzis]

First guide to differentiate between JIS and Phillips that I see on youtube. Great video!

[@teh-maxh]

Phillips wasn't really *designed* to cam out. It was a useful property in early automated manufacturing, but it wasn't a deliberate feature.

[@dperreno]

Good point. It turned out to be a feature for certain manufacturing functions in the days before they had torque-limiting drivers. (even when I worked on an assembly line in the 1970's those air wrenches would drive a screw right through the sheet metal if it didn't cam out first!)

[@pgramsey1]

It was a flaw that the marketing department managed to spin as a feature.

[@LuminairPrime]

Some sources do say it was designed to limit torque, but I don't know the truth.

[@kramelbbiw]

​@@LuminairPrime I've read that torque/cam out is nowhere in the patent for it, which means it's pretty definitively not designed to do it, and it's just a poor design that's been spun as a good thing.

[@johnpekkala6941]

No idea how many Philips bits and screwheads I have totally ruined at work because of this so called "feature" . One word - MANY!

[@gamerelated3887]

If you do phone repair and you have a detailed eye you know this. It's all i've used for many years. IFixit is exclusively what I use. JIS bits come with the kits. Also, Posidrive bits come with the larger kits as well.

[@LRN2DIY]

I had no idea iFixIt used JIS. Makes sense and it’s one of those things that most people just aren’t familiar with.

[@BiggMo]

Nice twist, thanks for driving down on this and securing our knowledge on screws.

[@ClifftopTragedy]

Your dad jokes make me a bit cross, but that was the point.

[@jagmarc]

In Europe we're really smart, when we sell a selection kit of crosspoint tips they are a mix of PH and PZ which appear identical to eachother. The really genius part is how the buyer only ever uses the PH2 and PZ2 tips making it a 50/50 chance that the tip gets damaged and thrown away along with all the other sizes in the kit never used. Thus selling more product, and your tools always appear new looking.

[@GeekRedux]

1:05 "Now, the slotted screwdrivers are great..." No. No, they are _not_ great. They suck in every way possible. Phillips is slightly better, but star drive or square (Robertson) drive are the best. I prefer square drive, but here in the US star drive seems to be winning the battle to replace Phillips--I think largely due to GRK including the necessary bit in the package.

[@kenbrown2808]

square drive is the only bit I've found that can strip out a screw head and still get stuck in it.

[@David-hm9ic]

“Best” is a relative term. None of your preferences is easy to get old paint out of. I’m working on restoring US Navy deck guns that were built between 1912 and 1942. We would never get the screws out if the paint couldn’t be removed from the heads of the screws.

[@TheHolan]

flathead screwdrivers are great for jobs unrelated to screws.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@TheHolan you mean an electrician's chisel?

[@TheHolan]

@@kenbrown2808 also known as a chinese multi-tool

[@nickw3255]

I vote for using torx or hex (primarily for cap screws) everywhere for internally driven fasteners

[@LRN2DIY]

I’m team Torx all the way. So hard to strip out or get wrong.

[@classydays43]

We actually begun implementing Robertson screws here in Australia and, yeah, they are much nicer to work with.

[@LuminairPrime]

I think square (Robertson) is the best general-purpose type of screw head, but I see more and more screws using Torx, and I'm fine with that too. I just want to never see Phillips again.

[@jylfarm1964]

I rarely use Philip or Pozidriv. JIS mostly on car. Use Robertson and some Torx on everything. Regarding the hinge, if you purchase from Richelieu and a few more places, they are Robertson.

[@zacandmillie]

Well you live and learn. I now know why I have had problems with many screws.... for the past 50 years! Off to Amazon for some Christmas gifts... for me.

[@johnvrabec9747]

The equipment my company made comes from the UK, mostly, and it's strictly Posidrive. I bought a Posidrive screwdriver from Amazon and a bit kit for my drill driver. They work great.

[@MyGrowthRings]

Oh crap, I'm about to be "that guy"! It's nice to see you addressing this, but unfortunalty you are mistaken about Pozidriv, but then again, so are most other KZbinrs. The "tick marks" on the head of the screw are created by the forming process, which closes up the walls of the cruciform slot to make the faces of the slots parallel to one another, essentially making a cruciform version of a Robertson drive. And the markings between the blades on the drivers are mostly for identification. If you insert a number 2 Pozidriv driver into a number 2 Pozidriv screw, those additional "splines" typically don't even engage the slot. Scott

[@MyGrowthRings]

BTW, in my day job I am the corporate trainer for a German cabinet hardware company. Not just throwing around "authority", but I am also a total hardware and patent nerd who has read all the related patents just for fun!

[@Tetraden-a]

I was about to write the same. The "flutes" are there because of the way they make the main cross "walls" parallel. They are the areas where the mill tool doesn't reach.

[@Merescat]

A new reason to buy tools, like i really need one!

[@how.to.crypto]

Im surprised it wasn't mentioned but the right size Robertson heads work perfectly for any + style screw head. I've been doing it for years and have yet to round out a head.

[@rgbx6923]

While Poz is the default for screws here in Germany (99% of all screws that are not Torx yet, which is slowly becomming the new default), oddly the default for screwdrivers is Phillips. Maybe it's because we call all of these Phillips like screws and drivers "Kreuzschlitz" (cross slit), but whenever you buy a screwdriver set or a toolset with screwdrivers in it, it's Phillips. Anyway, I learned the difference a few years ago and since then working with either of these screws has become so much easier. However, as written before, since the Torx patent is gone, Torx is becomming the new default and I love it.

[@mortimersnead5821]

I use square drive for most applications, but if i have a lot of drywall to hang, I use a special drywall gun that cams out just below the surface, But it only works with Phillips, because Robertsons don't cam out.

[@motorpartsgururestorationc9116]

Vessel are the only screwdrivers I use for Phillips type screws. The Grey handle Impacta also work as impact drivers. Snap-On screwdrivers now sit.

[@BeesKneesBenjamin]

This is something I notice a lot of people aren't aware of but my tech teacher in middle school reminded us of the differences very often! I remember at the job, I eventually I noticed one of our engineers kept buying pozidriv hardware (they're the most used for this type of screw in NL) but all our screwdrivers somehow were Phillips so everyone kept stripping screws. I got sick and tired having to be the one dealing with removing screws with stripped heads and ended up throwing everything Phillips in a box, hid it, and compiled a list of new screws and a set of tools to replace everything. I was met with horrible frustration in the beginning, all screwdrivers look the same? There's different types? but in the end I we never had screws strip or any issues again. Suddenly we were saving a lot of time and money not having to dig screws out of everything anymore :-).

[@afluka]

I finally understand what my "PZ" bits are for, and that I should've been using them from the start since my big box of screws is all pozidrive... all my troubles so far make so much more sense

[@froglobster]

Phil and Rob were sitting at a small table playing Xs and Os. It was the sheet that gave them the idea to make screw heads. They told their dad and he actually made a small factory to make both kinds.

[@Mr79dream]

With JIS it's funny, with real PH screw driveres I had allways problemy to apply torque to them, but every PH bit worked absolutely fine.

[@DonTruman]

Great info, thanks. Was an electrician for 20+ years and had no idea. But I did start using hex head screws for all of my work, for this very reason: best hold on the screw and magnet held it in place. At the time alternatives (torx, square, etc) were just getting started so they were expensive, rare, and used for security purposes since few people had bits for them. Re: slotted, agreed, when high torque is needed. But for low torque applications they're good. E.g. electrical plate screws. Use an appropriately sized screwdriver with a long shaft and you can quickly and easily spin it in or out. And I suspect slotted screws are the cheapest to manufacture.

[@STV-H4H]

Flat head screws are the bane of my life on days I’m working on older electric outlets and switches. As well as doors hinges and hardware. Having to use a hand crank driver to remove/replace them is a huge time consuming task as well as damaging potential. Robertsons are nice, but as long as they’re not the predominant one, such as in drywall work, they (because of paint and drywall mud) get mistaken for Philips and again are a problem. Torx are great but they have their best suited uses. When I discovered the difference between the type screws in fine quality cabinetry hinges it opened up my awareness to the POZIDRIVE screw type. Making the installation and adjustment work far better for my quality control. Seeing the JIS is great news. I’ve often noticed that electronics seem to have a slightly different screw, but wasn’t aware of exactly what or even if. Thanks. Have a tool for THE job. It makes all the difference in the world. I’m primarily an electrician but do numerous jobs, making the handyman title equally significant. When I started out, I had basic tools but as soon as I fully accepted that getting the proper tool was as important as knowing how to do the work, things elevated the quality and performance immediately. Now I purchase the exact tool regardless of how seemingly trivial it might appear, and 98% of the time it’s been a huge success and worth every penny spent. ❤

[@Itsjustme-Justme]

Unfortunately, we still do have a lot of Phillips heads in Europe. Pozidriv is used on screws that are designed for use in wood, Phillips is used in screws that are designed for use in metal.

[@ThomasBurnelis]

What? No love for the Reed & Prince variant (or Frearson)? It's similar to JIS if I remember right.

[@LRN2DIY]

Ok, now you’ve got me interested. Sighing into this now. Never heard of any of this.

[@ThomasBurnelis]

@LRN2DIY I was a mechanic in the Navy and during our initial schools we learned about Phillips and Reed and Prince as the two versions we would mostly see.

[@bensmith4563]

I have a Reed and prince screw driver by far the best one I have hardly ever cams out like the Phillips dose

[@starhawke380]

Interesting. I just checked my swiss army knife and even though their specs say it is a phillips #2, it meets the specs a lot closer to the JIS.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Yeah, the best Philips screwdrivers aren't Philips screwdrivers. On the pocket knives they attempt to make it at least somewhat compatible with all three standards and all three sizes of each

[@stevenvanes2928]

Never heard of JIS. Thanks for the video.

[@TadpoleTrainer]

Not trying to be nitpicky, but the Phillips head was not designed to cam out. That was why it ended up being adopted by ford and other manufacturers. Also flathead will always have a place in things. It’s great for tool free applications. My utility knife’s screw is flathead and made so when you’re putting a new blade in, you can use the new one to loosen it and the old one to tighten it back up.

[@andythompson3528]

We are switching over to t25 torx screws. They are much easier to drive with a drill or impact driver and they don’t cam out as easily as a Philips screw bit.

[@Krankie_V]

I bought a set of JIS screwdrivers specifically wmfor working on my old Honda 3 wheeler, and on Japanese Mikuni carburetors. My father taught me about pozidriv when I was pretty young. It's true that a lot of people, mechanics included, know nothing about them. I see them a lot on GM vehicles for little things like trim pieces and lamp assemblies. Having the correct screwdriver bit helps a lot.

[@michaelallen5505]

If your Phillips head screw becomes rounded out, try taking an old Phillips head screwdriver and grinding the tip down. Works great.

[@timhartherz5652]

Pozidriv are mostly found on woodscrews here in europe, though they are being replaced by tox on newer installations, since tox work better when using powertools, they hold better on the bit and won't cam out as easily.

[@Chaos_God_of_Fate]

My favorite screws are the star pattern that are most commonly seen on Deck Screws. I almost exclusively use those unless there are specific reasons to use another type, which is fairly common when remodeling/building regularly.

[@druegeme]

I have owned japanese motorcycles for many years and discovering JIS screwdrivers was a revelation. Especially when I noticed that they work great on phillips heads too. Love my nice JIS set it's all you need. Haven't found JIS bits for power tools but maybe not bad to have the torque limit built in by phillips design when you use a power tool.

[@Z4KIUS]

and for some reason on Europe we get Pozidriv and Philips bits with Pozidriv and JIS heads, fun!

[@randyd9805]

I'm 68 and never in my entire life have I ever seen or even heard of a JIS screwdriver or screw for that matter. This might explain why I'm seemingly always having trouble with what I thought were Phillips head screws. Even with a brand new Phillips screwdriver of high quality they just never seem to fit right and the head strips out and sometimes ruins my screwdriver as well. As many times as I've searched for screwdrivers both online and at the store you would think I would at least have seen these JIS drivers. Never heard of that other one either.

[@shiddy.]

Vessel has some awesome JIS sets ... full tang, regular, ratcheting and more - just super nice to use and commercial quality

[@butchphillips873]

I've been in heavy equipment repair since 1975. I owned Japan made motorbikes so had JIS as well as Phillips and of course the full set of Flat Blade pry bars.

[@Latholan]

The Vessel drivers are more expensive because they're impact drivers. When you hit the metal cap on the back of the handle, it imparts a counter-clockwise force on the bit. They're fantastic for removing stuck JIS screws.

[@edsyphan3425]

Been using the JIS drivers on my motorcycles and Toyotas ever since I learned about them. Before that, I dreaded removing the side covers on my bike, they always slipped. I had no idea what the problem was. Since buying my first Vessels, I hardly use my Phillips now.

[@themidnightbanshee5927]

This whole time I was getting annoyed at my screw drivers damaging my screws, now I know why

[@izimsi]

in Europe today Philips became almost uncommon. Most screws in furniture or wall plugs now uses either pozidriv, hex key or torx.

[@jagmarc]

If you check a typical IKEA kit you'll find any metal screws have a PH head, while all other screws for wood are PZ.

[@jus4027]

I think flat head screws are a pain, especially in production for assemblers. Proper pet hate of these.

[@LRN2DIY]

Amen. Slotted screws need to go.

[@SylvesterAshcroft88]

It's annoying how inconsistent screws are. I always wondered what those cupboard screws were!

[@Grastiars1]

My coworkers always like my screwdriver over their own. We work on Japanese motors, and i only have JIS screwdrivers. They have the snapon phillips that strips out the screws.

[@orphax1925]

the spikes on the posidrive don't help for the torque they're only here for the user to know what to use, the increased torque is made possible by the non-angled driving surfaces

[@BANDAIist]

JIS bit is essential if you are working on Japanese motorcycles, they got screws everywhere and you really don't want to strip the head.

[@David-hm9ic]

The biggest reason that Phillips head screws perform poorly is that the screw heads often are not made to specs. Most from hardware stores don’t fit a quality screwdriver tip such as an Apex bit. I really noticed the difference when I was restoring some vintage airplanes. The FAA-PMA approved screws fit the screwdriver bits perfectly. There are still limited places where straight slot screws are preferred. Among them is wooden boat building. If a screw has to be removed to make a repair it’s far easier to get old paint and caulk out of straight slots than any other screw head. There is no such thing as a flathead screwdriver. There are many kinds of flathead screws including straight slots, Phillips, JIS, Torx, hex socket and so on but slotted screws require a straight or flat BLADE screwdriver.

[@johninor7955]

Your link for the Vessel 5pc JIS bit set on amazon links to a page that says in several places on the page that they are phillips bits.

[@Quacks0]

Sometimes you can get a tighter fit on Phillips screws by simply using the next-size-larger bit --- i.e., a PH-3 instead of a PH-2, or a PH-2 instead of a PH-1. Or you can try partially filing/grinding down the tip of the screwdriver if it's too pointed --- some tool-companies just leave their Phillips screwdrivers with sharply-pointed tips after cutting the flutes, instead of flattening off the tip the way it's supposed to be, especially with larger-size screwdriver-tips, such as PH-2 or 3. Smaller Phillips screws may indeed need a fully-point-tapered size-1 screwdriver tip in order to fit into their minuscule heads, but the beefier screws have comparatively "shallow" depressions with flat bottoms, and so if a larger Phillips screwdriver has a sharp tip, that extra point of metal will prevent the blade from inserting fully into the screw's slots and cause slippage.

[@jockstrappery]

If you dont have a jis then filing/grinding the tip of a pozi will work.(allow the bit to get deeper into the screw )

[@itt2055]

I only use screwdrivers that have changeable heads so I can use the correct tool for the screw. I bought a $2 ratchet screwdriver with 20 different heads over 30 years ago and it still works perfectly.

[@randyshoquist7726]

I have a lot of pozidriv, mostly from grab boxes from the Tektronix surplus store. The Oregon based oscilloscope maker used pozidriv in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and perhaps beyond.

[@reeset9676]

Do the JIS driver bits (the ones that go in a power tool) work with USA type drills? I've heard the anvil is a different length, and they may not work with USA powered drills. I've experienced this issue with FESTOOL as well. I did purchase some JIS phillips from Amazon, to do IKEA assembly. The JIS head fits better in the CAM.

[@obilonkenobi1]

Handyman Tips: Stick a wide rubber band into the head of a stripped screw, insert screwdriver. Use pliers: If the screw head is still somewhat intact, clamp a pair of pliers onto it to turn the screw. Penetrating oil: Apply penetrating oil to the screw to help loosen it up. Left-handed drill bit: Use a left-handed drill bit to dig into the screw and provide grip. Abrasive powder: Apply a liquid abrasive to the screw head to create friction. Drill a pilot hole: In some cases, carefully drilling a small pilot hole in the center of the stripped screw can help create a new grip point.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

- Use dremel to convert philips/jis/pozidriv to a slotted head

[@danielkramer8586]

Very informative. Good job! I've read several times that JIS is being phased out. Is that not true?

[@mosesadk454]

Reed and Prince is another somewhat older " philips" style screw. Piano hinges seem to still furnish Reed and Prince screws.

[@georgeferlazzo7936]

Hello Lrn2diy I just found your channel and subscribed. Nils my friend you just tore the veil for me. After retiring from Air Force and working commercial aircraft. I was informed not to Jis screwdrivers on Philips Screws. You just turned that around for me. In Aviation Jis hardware is not used. But everything you spoke about happens. Thank you 😊

[@fredio54]

Main advantage to pozidrive is 90 degree between faces, AKA parallel faces with zero camming. But square AKA Robertson made them obsolete.

[@djratino]

How does the JIS differ from the reed & prince? Craftsman made those from 1960 to about 1990.

[@ed909]

A very good video providing valuable information in a concise manner. Good job!

[@Toograced]

I don't understand all the fuss personally. I've tried the square slots, the torque, and the hex screws and still slipped out of the head, stripped the slots. I love the Phillips a lot. I'm used to them and they are still pretty universal. I prefer them most. If it ain't broke, why change it...

[@Oldschoolrules123]

Obviously you don't screw much. And voted for harris.😂

[@Toograced]

@Oldschoolrules123 Lol. I love it. Trump all the way baby! But being a married man, no I don't screw much. Do I qualify for therapy? Been woodworking and a handyman for over 20 years. I realize the key to most screwing issues is patience and pressure.

[@vmitchinson]

Robertson screws have tapered slots so to screw stay on the driver. There are only one set of sizes. The GD cross screws come in so many different shapes you have to have a semi just to haul the drivers.

[@DrFrank-xj9bc]

Many thanks for your great, very precise explanations. I'm even over 60, and wondered all these years about the different, bad or good grip of all my screw drivers / screws (yes, really since I was a little child). I was never aware of the JIS until today! I have to inspect all of my numerous driver sets, and all of my salvaged screw boxes. I guess, these standards for the different heads have nothing to do or are not coupled with metric or imperial threads? 'Dr. Frank' from Frankfurt, Germany

[@patrickbuswell]

6:18 When your camera *screws* up while focusing on your B-roll of screws!

[@mikeking7470]

I have a set of JIS that go to small and very small sizes for cameras and lenses. Vibration will sometimes shake screws loose. So you should probably own a J00 and a J0 as well as J1, J2, and J3. I also have a set of Pozidrive bits but no dedicated drives (yet).

[@rcdogmanduh4440]

Philip' s are great! They come pre center drill for easy drilling and removal!

[@sociopathmercenary]

Sourced a couple for motorcycle work. Love them! Still don't understand why they need to be so expensive though

[@zetamale2308]

Good info, thanks! Personally, I think any type of Phillips screw is outdated, especially when you can get torx deck screws in various thicknesses and lengths.

[@marinsrok6100]

Man, now I finally get it why it's so damn hard disassembling old toyotas and hondas.

[@ThisGuyAd.]

I hate posidrive! I built an ikea kitchen last summer and as a good Scandinavian swapped out as many screws as possible with lovely star torque headed screws. Was lovely, my old kitchen from the 80s seemed to be held together with screws accumulated over years so had every different head including flat head. Was lovely to just take a hammer to it all 👍

[@EmpressOfExile206]

The jis screwdriver also appears to have a "flater" tip (best way I could think to word it)

[@kc0lif]

stick with torx.

[@LRN2DIY]

Torx for the win!

[@elisabethkz7590]

Torx is the best..

[@pickle9232]

Robertson is superior

[@danielcardwell5457]

There is such thing as being too superior

[@matthias7534]

Torx (or Torx Security), Spline or Allen are the only ones I use, they are the best in all ways possible

[@poepflater]

Flat screws are a pain in the but for anything needing more than the most modest number of screws... it just takes so much more effort and time to align up with the tool

[@esoteridactyl]

Interesting, I am looking at upgrading my EDC screwdriver kit to a more traditional bit driver. Now I have an excuse so I can get one of these bits to use with it.

[@DannyGruesome]

I work in the RV industry and RVs use Robertson screws almost exclusively.

[@olson.pamela]

Hey I purchased the drill guide but did not get an email for download! Who can I contact?

[@LRN2DIY]

Hi there! So sorry to hear that! We'll get you taken care of. Please email [e-mail] and we'll make sure you have that.

[@lbochtler]

My reccomendation is the vessel jis screwdrivers. Best i have had, their higher end is on par with pb swiss tool.

[@lbochtler]

Addendum. I love the wood composit vessel ones. Best screwdrivers i have had thus far.

[@joeblownogodontinvademypri2618]

Interesting but JIS is useless for this professional architectural woodworker with 45+ years in the trade. I always use posidriv tips for posidriv screws, but I just did a search for 1" JIS insert tips and they are not available in bulk or in packs of 10 or 25, only in very expensive one-sies or two-sies or assortments or hand drivers. Guess I'll stick with the usual Dewalt, Makita, Wera or Bosch #1,2&3 phillips tips available everywhere at a reasonable price and which do not cam out on typical phillips screws (which I might add, *do* mate very snugly)!

[@tomschmidt381]

Just the add to the fun there is a fourth flavor of Phillips-ish screws called Reed & Prince. Now a days I'm a Torx fanboy and used them wherever possible.

[@calvint226]

I've used JIS with that Vessel Megadora, but even using it correctly on a JIS screw I couldn't avoid stripping the exhaust screw on my motorcycle (it's the nicest feeling screw driver I own). Torx is superior to all these, it's the only screw that was so stuck that I had to turn the screwdriver with a pipe wrench and it didn't strip out Using Torx on all my projects is going to be my MO, they're so much better.

[@twinwankel]

I just assembled two desks from IKEA and there were some pozidriv screws used but I managed to use my Phillips screwdriver without a problem. I didn't even realize they were pozidriv until this video made me look at them again. As far as JIS, I thought the standard was discontinued in 2008, instead the Japanese industry went to the Phillips, ISO 8764-1, 2 standard. When I compare the profiles of my Dewalt phillips no. 2 to the Vessel bits you recommend by superimposing over the screen image, I find that they are the nearly the same. There is simply very little difference and I don't believe that the consumer will find any significant difference in performance. I would not buy the Vessel bits.

[@robertrada4783]

JIS and ISO and DIN cruciform are identical. They’re also backwards compatible with basically every cruciform including old JIS. You don’t really need Pozidriv for assembling Ikea stuff. Not enough torque to really matter. 15 years down the road, you’ll want your pz on the old Blum hardware.

[@danielkramer8586]

@@robertrada4783 So the name is being phased out, but the design is not discontinued, and it has two new names