Wow..... I would have just slapped it on and never thought about it needing adjustment. Thanks for the video, I'll be doing this job soon.
@milojanis49012 жыл бұрын
I did slap it on my first ls engine. Why? Because my 2000 factory shop manual made no mention of this!!! I'd bet money that the newer editions do. Remember, back in 2000, these engines and manuals were only in their 4th year of production, and new, better methods get discovered over time......
@TheJdizzle022 жыл бұрын
Mellings website says put oil pump on and rotate crank 360deg then torque oil pump melling does not tell you to take the pump cover off
@milojanis49012 жыл бұрын
@@TheJdizzle02 I have also seen, and read about this method. I'm sure this procedure would work, too.....
@TheJdizzle022 жыл бұрын
@@milojanis4901 the high volume oil pump I installed didn't have enough clearance for a .0015
@PONSAUTOMOTIVE2 жыл бұрын
@@TheJdizzle02 how I do all mine install turn engine over and trq them
@HandSolo18 ай бұрын
Doing my first LS build and this has been really helpful. Thank you.
@captainsledge75542 жыл бұрын
Melling doesn't even show this in their install video... i offer Warranties with my engines. Ive had an average of 2 out of 20 ruin a crank in break in. I couldnt understand why. But i started doing this and i havent had a claim since.... i been looking for this video that taught me this, for months. thank you
@mewrongwayKOCXF3 жыл бұрын
Finally a video that shows the proper install of a LS oil pump! it is refreshing to find a youtube HOW TO video from someone that knows HOW TO! Thanks so much!
@Utubegofukurself2 жыл бұрын
How do you know this is a correct "How To"? Just some guy with a cell phone lol
@mewrongwayKOCXF2 жыл бұрын
@@Utubegofukurself Been building LS engines since 1997!
@Utubegofukurself2 жыл бұрын
@@mewrongwayKOCXFIm sorry, did i dispute that?
@Utubegofukurself2 жыл бұрын
@@mewrongwayKOCXF oh and, Melling says WRONG
@mewrongwayKOCXF2 жыл бұрын
@@Utubegofukurself Did Melling design the LS engine? Did Melling design the LS oil pump? No they just copy OEM parts and sell them for a profit! I been building LS engines since 1997 and the LS did not appear in anything but a vette until 98. That tell ya anything? Does the fact that gears in a diff are set up with a certain clearance just like a LS pump, That tell you anything? Melling is doing the same thing in a less accurate manner lol, Melling just doesn't want idiots taking there pumps apart and *u*king them up and sending them back lol! So why does all the performance parts stores sell a Butler, Sac City, ICT or other LS oil pump alignment kit consisting of over priced feeler gauges? kzbin.info/www/bejne/equ4qmSImbSra5I
@SurferJoe462 жыл бұрын
This is the same technique I used on my 2005 5.3 with a new Melling M295HV pump. I could only get 0.0015" feelers into it though --- but it got centered just like yours. Thanks for making me feel good about doing this pump.
@Mpreston892 жыл бұрын
Same here!
@jordanpavlic3833 жыл бұрын
wow i’m actually really glad I stumbled upon this video, i’m pretty new to LS engines and i’m doing an oil pump on my truck here shortly and this popped up on my suggested. thanks 👍
@timweb15103 жыл бұрын
Which oil pump are you using? Melling doesn’t recommend feeler gauges anymore
@daryltaylor65910 ай бұрын
Your method absolutely worked for me cause my 685hp ls1 is still alive and excellent oil pressure...thanks
@msnapp169 Жыл бұрын
I've installed thousands of these oil pumps over the years and have never done this or heard of this and have never had Any failures or low oil pressure do to pump failure
@stevep5681Ай бұрын
Testify brother, it's just a damn oil pump. These idiots all want to stroke each other over this crap.
@kevrom267126 күн бұрын
Maybe id do this in a 1000hp drag car- but my Silverado 6.0 work truck…not a chance lol. Pump goes on, cover goes on. Bye.
@Gordon01313 күн бұрын
Also it seems that melling states that you void warranty if you open the pump up.
@davidyoung302 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Used it to set mine up tonight after my first cam install. Feels good knowing it’s all done and done right.
@Utubegofukurself2 жыл бұрын
Hey i have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale for really cheap!
@mikerecords55303 жыл бұрын
Much easier than other methods I've seen. Thanks.
@champspec3 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation. I’ve always done this. But i like your method better, by removing the shims. When you torque down the cover, there’s usually two of the bolt holes that have flattened edges, making them look slotted. I believe they are there to center the cover and should be the first two to install and snug down.
@kyleallen38573 жыл бұрын
Nicely explained I always wonder why people skip this simple step on, arguably, the most important engine component.
@Mr572u3 жыл бұрын
Because many guys don’t know that it is necessary. KZbin is full of them.
@SpeedDemon88X2 жыл бұрын
because the pump manufacturers (melling) void your warranty if you remove the front cover. Also if it was so crucial, GM service would have a procedure for centering the pump. They don't.
@c41man2 жыл бұрын
@ Kyle Allen On my LS1 I installed a new Melling oil pump by priming the oil pump before I installed onto the crankshaft. Good oil pressure to this day.
@milojanis49012 жыл бұрын
I'd say that it IS the most important component!!! Without it, you could dump a $100,000 into your engine, and it wouldn't run for more than several seconds before it took itself back apart again!!
@hardball1072 жыл бұрын
I installed the same pump on a build I did 2 years ago and just bolted it on. Melling told me there was sacrificial rings in the pump to center it, I didn't even torque the cover and after torqueing the mounting bolts there was no play which made me a little uneasy but no problems so far. I have used a similar method with GM pumps just centering the ring, I was glad to see that is how you did it. Thanks.
@thetrueivaid Жыл бұрын
Melling also told me it was not needed to shim the oil pump
@cdshawn Жыл бұрын
I'm performing a LS rebuild procedure very soon and I'm subbing you because you sound very helpful
@charleslowe5222 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that tidbit of information. Getting ready to rebuild 5.3L LC9 block and this looks to be the easiest method for centering the gear.
@Yellow_6.2l2 жыл бұрын
Going to the parts store to go get new filler gauges now, Thanks for this informational video!
@readplanet236 ай бұрын
Thank You sir for the informative and simple process of shimming the oil pump. Keep up the good videos. Have A Productive Day! 🛻🚚🚛
@ValyndiirTV2 жыл бұрын
I'm about to swap my harmonic balancer in my C5 and will replace the timing set and oil pump while I am in there, this was very useful!
@TomAustin303 Жыл бұрын
Wow - that is vastly simpler than the other methods I've seen.
@jamieK1112 жыл бұрын
Wow.Fantastic video! I was going to.skip this step until you demostrated it so clearly. Thank you!
@vornice760411 ай бұрын
melling instructions in the box mentioned none of this, i just sent her down and been great pressure for years. technically all it should change is the ratio of compression because it floats offset anyway. if it was so important there would be dowels for the oil pump
@patrickzadd52154 ай бұрын
thank you for another excellent video
@drhernandez94493 жыл бұрын
Great video like always,,,was wondering about a in depth video on a break in how to,,,thanks again,,,
@stevenstreng4788 Жыл бұрын
Smart. Perfect no bullshit video exactly what i needed to know with no drama perfect video
@JacobVillemain Жыл бұрын
Thank you Steven!
@krellerj11112 жыл бұрын
What size shims are you using?
@LSMykie3 жыл бұрын
You should really do some giveaways this channel needs to grow this is valuable DIY info!!! Definitely helping me build my first engine!!
@ethanhoullahan54232 жыл бұрын
This video is perfect. Only thing I would ask, and I know it’s weird, is how to install an oil pump on an ls while the engine is still in a car or truck. I’m looking to do a cam and pump upgrade.
@koutros1003 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your time sir. Very helpful. All your vids are awesome brother. God bless
@Nicecalgarian3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man ! That was helpful as I am planning to rebuild my LM7 engine. 🇨🇦🤘
@ajcreech94583 жыл бұрын
Good job made it a lot more simple
@bigal8783 жыл бұрын
Great video from Australia 🇦🇺
@baby-sharkgto4902 Жыл бұрын
Best video ever on the LS oil pump assembly 🔥
@partidaandy7 Жыл бұрын
You guys are bad ass . Need goid mechanics like you guys here in San Diego.
@johnnystock1849 Жыл бұрын
Just awesome, that makes perfect sense now!
@e.s.l58612 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for the video. I’m getting ready to do this prospect in my truck
@adamstoltz327810 ай бұрын
That is the best method i have seen for that.
@geraldbermudez7153 жыл бұрын
Great advice and very helpful .thank you.
@kennycreager98502 жыл бұрын
So what size shims or feeler gauges did you use?
@reeljamescooper4 ай бұрын
.002”-.0025”
@dylanaguiluz62462 ай бұрын
@@reeljamescooperI was coming here to comment the same thing. He literally said it in the video
@jessebrown14972 жыл бұрын
My man! Quick and simple video.
@terrywillis5784 Жыл бұрын
Great info.
@KevinMLloyd2 жыл бұрын
Best procedure I've seen
@chrisbryant16573 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this video! 👍
@JimSampson-y6v4 ай бұрын
I am amazed that shops still just bolt those pumps on and not 'center' em ! Been building the ls motors since about 2001... center the pumps on every one of em. Some pumps only allow .0015".... that is tightest i've seen.
@weseethetruth1587 ай бұрын
Furthermore use green loctite for the oil pump bolts. They will never move until you take them off.
@riverdog69216 күн бұрын
what size feeler gauge?
@davidcallahan51573 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation love the videos!
@44hawk28 Жыл бұрын
All you need to increase soil pressure is 3245 mm bolt washers underneath that spring cap on the oil pump itself. You don't need to buy all these extra colored Springs. The spring that's in it works fine. Just shove the damn thing like we've been doing for decades. It's amazing how many people keep trying to reinvent the freaking wheel. It also doesn't help that there is at least 3 oil pressure relief valves on an LS motor. And one of them Works after the bypass valve that's in the oil filter.
@postalaka11 ай бұрын
Great idea . Simple .
@Mr572u3 жыл бұрын
How about a mention about mounting the pick up tube using the bolt that can be removed with the oil pan on.
@grngs13 жыл бұрын
Its a pain in the ASS
@rufinovivas93953 жыл бұрын
@@grngs1 oh yeah. I’ve done it before. But once you get passed the 10 mm bolt on the pick up, the rest is cake.
@intheshoptv2 жыл бұрын
I get at it by loosening the pan bolts and dropping the front of the pan just an inch. Easy access to that bolt then.
@drtb69 Жыл бұрын
Nice, thanks for sharing the knowledge and tips 🙂👍subscribed!
@outfitsgarage882 жыл бұрын
Very good information. I just found your channel and subbed.
@benardjames98563 ай бұрын
I would like to learn more about these l.Yes.Engines, I'm old school.350 was the last engine I.Rebuild, so I'm trying to find out all the information I can about rebuild A.L.S engine because I definitely don't want to mess up.Thank you
@onemoremisfit3 жыл бұрын
I have a pack of brass shim stock in various thicknesses, and I have an LS 5.3L truck engine apart, I think some strips of brass shim would work well for this operation. But even though my LS is very mildly cammed (stock idle and .05" more lift than stock) and has a SC system that makes 6psi max boost, I think I'm going to leave the bypass spring at stock oil pressure because I don't intend to race the truck and it will never see over 5000 rpm, and it will mostly tow, haul and highway cruise. More oil psi or volume when not really needed has a way of putting more oil in the valve cover area and causing oil consumption thru the PCV. My brother has a high HP, hi-rev supercharged intercooled LS that is giving this trouble. But one thing I did do was upgrade to a double row timing set designed to support 2000 hp (so I'm told). The stock timing chain was so loose after 100,000 miles it was a miracle it didn't jump a tooth, and this was 80% highway cruising and absolutely no racing. And replacing the timing set in the vehicle on an LS is not so easy as it was in the old days. Back in the day I changed worn timing sets on V8 Chevys, Buicks, Cadillacs, in the vehicle ... the cars all stalled due to the timing chain getting loose and jumping a tooth and you could tell by advancing the distributor and the engine would start again. Those days are over. You gotta put in a timing set that will last the life of the engine. LS truck engines are good for over 200,000 miles but the timing chains are good for maybe 100,000.
@wilcat375 Жыл бұрын
Nicely done 🤸♂️🏋🏄♂️
@mramirez8302 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great video!
@jerrycarter39632 жыл бұрын
awesome explanation. Thank you so much.
@nitrofish1974 Жыл бұрын
Its the only way to do it right ✅ 💯
@harp4402 жыл бұрын
What about priming, if necessary?
@andyc56123 жыл бұрын
Excellent vid. Easy to follow from start to finish.
@stevem81284 ай бұрын
Great video, can you please tell us what size feeler guage you used? I’m working on a 1999 Z28 LS1 Thanks!
@tulserorobs41633 ай бұрын
Thank you sir !
@wilmarjunior8945 Жыл бұрын
What timing gear set are you using on this engine?
@rickybailey71239 ай бұрын
Fun fact about snap on tools I SEE U have 1 The black label means it came from the Military The regular type Snap on version will have a red label ive got a Ratchet with the black label and my snap on dealer told me this so if im wrong im just repeating what he told me !! Hes been a dealer for over 20 years so it should be correct info !! And he also didnt warranty it so luckily i had the same 1 with the red and i swaped the guts out and got it fixed so if it brakes get a heat gun and get the black off of it before u hand it over for warranty!!
@mikescaffo48508 ай бұрын
Well done sir
@miarviwi2 жыл бұрын
Melling instructions are to install pump finger right. Then rotate the crank 360 degrees. Next torque pump to 18 ft/lbs and you're done. That centers that gear. Could they be wrong?
@MLDIYSH2 жыл бұрын
Correct b/c this will automatically push out the gears to its proper spacing and youre done. The reasoning behind this is that once it’s ☝️ tighten, the 360 rotation of the crank will set the center spacing perfectly. New mechanic vs “old school”. If you bring this into a mechanics bay - they don’t have two feeler gauges handy - plus they don’t use them anyways unless it’s a rebuild shop etc.
@RezurxnSpeedAndMarineHesperia2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to disappoint you guys but you can not always make it that simple. What Melling is telling you is that for a "stock" application you can get away with simply rotating the engine 360, and torque to spec. However, for kustom builds, generating generous power, "while changing out the stock spring to the COPO spring", just as this video is stating that this in fact is the application, you must shim the outer gear, utilizing .002 gauge then torque to spec. If you dont, the pump will fail. I have the destroyed pump and timing cover to prove it. You will only make that mistake once! I have a good deal of engine building experience and by far this is the most comprehensive video I have come across.
@denvermilehighracing538525 күн бұрын
@@RezurxnSpeedAndMarineHesperia BS
@Airman..3 жыл бұрын
The backlash is automatically adjusted when rotating the crankshaft a couple times then torque 4 bolts, according to milling. Why would you do this procedure, is there a real benefit?
@JacobVillemain3 жыл бұрын
Peace of mind when the engine is $15k+
@BigFun4Life10 ай бұрын
What single row timing chain and gears do you recommend….Thanks
@ernesttrader73649 ай бұрын
I have 2018 ls3 chevy perf. crate motor 495 hp. Should I use the 10295 or 10355
@arbyarby3259 Жыл бұрын
question do ya have a video or make one on replacing a harmonic balancer on both the 5.3L & 8.1L '99-06' GM truck engines using the manufactures torque specs. would appreciate it sir!!
@johnullman61595 ай бұрын
Does this have to be done to LT4 engines too??
@walasiewicz2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant dude
@lawrencedeaninvestments21713 жыл бұрын
Video was very helpful
@codystewart1483 Жыл бұрын
Is it worth it to do this on a 2002 Chevy Silverado 1500 5.3ls I'm replacing the oil pump and was wondering if I should do this or is it just a waste of time
@BigTruckWreckerMan2 жыл бұрын
I put a 295 pump on wrong primed it through the side of block and when I started it it built pressure right off the bay then went away just as quick and wouldn’t pick any oil up. I primed it again same thing. Now waiting on new oil pump to get here and install it your way 👍
@Jonny_trans2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@JacobVillemain2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@trevorbaldwin60633 жыл бұрын
Clever sir
@glennwhite51872 ай бұрын
Good info
@gregm7843 жыл бұрын
Great idea. Thanks.
@20tea3 жыл бұрын
What I was looking for. Putting in a Melling HV pump soon. THANKS! Also remember to prime the pump as well. Update- tried to remove the cover on my new melling pump with a t30 bit.... second bolt head stripped. Wtf! Can't shim now.
@1bad69xss43 жыл бұрын
Yep, Melling doesn't want you taking those out. They don't recommend this anymore.
@20tea3 жыл бұрын
@@1bad69xss4 Awesome, thanks for the info. I installed mine without shimming and it's still holding up and performing great after a few months of use. Glad i did it. Oil pressure is in a healthy range at idle now.
@pointblank29102 жыл бұрын
@@1bad69xss4 From what Melling's video showed was finger tight, rotate the crankshaft 360° then torque it down.
@doncarl8734 Жыл бұрын
@@pointblank2910I’ll be installing mine oil pump on tbss ima just do that 360 and sent it 👍🏽🙏🏾
@jetsetter4685 ай бұрын
what oil lube are you using and what do you recommend for engine assy lube if engine is gonna set a year before starting
@ערןתומר Жыл бұрын
does it have to be done in an old pump too after removing it?
@hustlinghard8081 Жыл бұрын
What type of oil are you squirting in to it? It looks super thick.
@johnnunez430026 күн бұрын
Is that normal that the drive gear is loose ?
@Recklessfireblade3 жыл бұрын
What size feeler gauges did you use ?
@milojanis49012 жыл бұрын
Obviously, you didn't watch, or can't hear......
@budlanctot3060 Жыл бұрын
I believe he said 0.002".
@310ttech82 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍. Any chance of doing an L83/L86 oil pump install and info to limit pump whine?
@TheChrisgralnic6 ай бұрын
So you had two of the same feeler guage thickness ?
@aldoladrondeguevara72593 жыл бұрын
Amazing. U da man with the plan
@orabates18233 жыл бұрын
What thickness feeler gauges are you using ? Also at what torque setting are the front oil pump cover screews torqued back down to ?
@hottap78213 жыл бұрын
sounded like he said 2 thousand gauges and 108 inch pounds
@martinaperreault17482 жыл бұрын
Two 0.0025 shim and torque to 108 inch pound (i think it's around 6-8 foot pound)
@cesarhernandez9370Ай бұрын
Which side does the thrust bearing go on the cam gear itself I have the same kit but doesn’t specify which side
@codywhite8452 Жыл бұрын
If you just take your oil pump off to do timing chain and go back with the old pump do you still need to do this step
@drinkindreamin9883 Жыл бұрын
@ that engine guy. Just updated my stock pump on my 160k ls with a melling. Any recommendations on what spring to run? Thanks great vid
@timweb15103 жыл бұрын
Melling, a huge retailer of oil pumps says just to rotate the crankshaft 360 degrees before final torque specs. They also show on their yt uploads. Which is correct?
@siclt12 жыл бұрын
Yes this is correct, this guy is wasting time and knowledge for nothing
@RezurxnSpeedAndMarineHesperia2 жыл бұрын
@@siclt1 Sorry to disappoint you guys but you can not always make it that simple. What Melling is telling you is that for a "stock" application you can get away with simply rotating the engine 360, and torque to spec. However, for kustom builds, generating generous power, "while changing out the stock spring to the COPO spring", just as this video is stating that this in fact is the application, you must shim the outer gear, utilizing .002 gauge then torque to spec. If you dont, the pump will fail. I have the destroyed pump and timing cover to prove it. You will only make that mistake once! I have a good deal of engine building experience and by far this is the most comprehensive video I have come across.
@denvermilehighracing538525 күн бұрын
@@RezurxnSpeedAndMarineHesperia BS
@richardmoreno51602 жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@expatconn72422 жыл бұрын
Ok I’m doing my 1st LM7 , 2002 I have the stock rockers . If I want to up grade …. To what worries about clearance. I swing a new gm hi flow Oil pump.. there was no o ring on the pick up tube . It was disintegrated . My question is what color do I need .
@jody61212 жыл бұрын
Man...I just put a pump in my truck yesterday...did not know about this....
@intheshoptv2 жыл бұрын
You’ll be fine
@thomaslapointe46712 жыл бұрын
Awesome Great Video w Perfect Detail Would Enjoy to Your Ideas on How to Bullet Proof for Durability n Life Cycle the Lower "hp/ft.lb" NA Truck 6.2/Stroked 6.8 for Torque Application of moving a 6,400 to 6,800lbs "Brick" type Swap
@ryanodneal70017 ай бұрын
I just slapped the old used pump back on. What does this alignment do?
@gagestanyer175910 ай бұрын
What does the other spring do? Add pressure? Or volume? I’m gonna be running about 1000hp with a turbo and was told to get a high volume oil pump but then was told it’ll suck my stock pan dry. So will this Melling one with that spring suffice and not suck anything dry?
@maxthemadtuner3 жыл бұрын
Awesome easy trick.👍🏽
@randylegatt86498 ай бұрын
Melling has a video of correct method per their instructions. No feeler gauges no taking it apart either.