Wow. I grew up building fiberglass sailboats the old fashioned way. Made wooden plugs, hand sanded to use for making the mold. This method is quite an unbelievable time saver. Of course I am sure the cost is pretty incredible too.
@donziperk5 жыл бұрын
Mark Grantom I did the same as you. For 10 years I worked for a company that built moulds for various boat and bath tub builders. It was an art building them from a pile of lumber and fibreglass. I don’t think many people understand the hours of shaping, sanding and polishing that went into the plug. Biggest I worked on was a 97’ pilothouse motor sailer.
@테스트유튜브배우-x5c Жыл бұрын
그런데, 3d프린터를 만들어줬는데, 5년이 지나도 사람들이 안써. 도대체 왜 그럴까?
@craigrmeyer4 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed that you somehow managed to have zero porosity in that outer layer, after the machining step. I'd never have guessed that was possible, and surely took some effort to make work in real life.
@christianfilloux3 жыл бұрын
They dont need zero porosity. They seal the surface and then polish it with wax as a mold release so they can use it as a plug to create a mold. The red part is the mold that the production boats are made from. The black plug (3d printed part) is just used to make the mold.
@rogermccaslin59633 жыл бұрын
The machined pattern is sprayed with a polyester based coating and then sanded and polished before applying release agents. There was also very likely a high build primer coat before the finish coat. This video shows Thermwood's machine capabilities but barely touches on the entire process.
@lucianosantucci1082 жыл бұрын
I wonder if traditional machining of foam and then finishing is a faster method.
@micro9635 жыл бұрын
Thanks to 3d printing there is going to be an easier way to create models analyzed them and test them before going into production, that will minimized a lot of room for error, labor, material and time consumed. The 3d printers are getting cheaper and cheaper every day and there are a lot of different options out there might not be as the one showing in the video, but you can get a small one and start practicing creating small boat models, I love it, thank you for the video.
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Just an FYI, the 3D printed boat hull in the video was used for the production of the Tahoe T16 boat. press.basspro.com/tahoe-boats-introduces-new-boat-model--designed-to-get-more-families-boating-/
@daneh62406 жыл бұрын
Awesome, 10 days for production level tooling with near-perfect tolerances! Very cool! Glad to see this in the US instead of somewhere else!
@Edyth_Hedd6 жыл бұрын
Seriously? You don't think they do this in other countries?
@chriss87186 жыл бұрын
that wasn't his point meathead
@chrisjones25693 жыл бұрын
After turning the volume all the way down then I enjoyed the video
@MistiMoan2 ай бұрын
Can you go bigger like a 35-70 ft sail boat?
@ms_vibe99182 жыл бұрын
Why did you mill again (using the 5axis cnc) after 3D printing the plug???
@stateservant8 ай бұрын
When smoothening the surface of a printed object with CNC, should we use roughing or finishing on the CNC toolpath?
@ThermwoodCorporation8 ай бұрын
Hi @statesservant. Typically a finishing toolpath. But there are times when an extra roughing operation may be needed. Totally depends on the build of the print.
@stateservant8 ай бұрын
@@ThermwoodCorporation Ah thanks a lot. I would, from my intuition, also use directly a finishing toolpath, just without any stockmodel. I think the question is, how accurate should our printer be.
@slevinshafel93954 жыл бұрын
why dont use High density foam if you have CNC to make the temporary model?
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
Hi Slevin, We can and have used foam to make models, however high density foam is expensive in both labor and material and you end up machining most of it away. This boat hull plug took about 10 days from start to finish by printing it in 6 pieces (3 days). With VLP, that 3 days is reduced. The below is from a tool that we printed vs a traditional tool made from high density foam: blog.thermwood.com/polysulfone-offers-promise-for-3d-printed-composite-tooling-blog-0 Comparison vs Traditional Methods A mold for the same part was built by ACE using traditional methods and the cost and build time was compared to making the same tool using additive manufacturing. The results were stunning. The Results Additive manufacturing material cost was 34% less and it required 69% fewer labor hours. Build time for the additive tool was 3 days versus 8 days for the conventional tool. If the part was larger, a support structure would be needed for the conventional tool which would add two days and more labor hours to the conventional process. A larger additive tool would not require a support structure.
@rogermccaslin59634 жыл бұрын
@@ThermwoodCorporation Coming from a boat building background, I started out building plugs the old fashioned way - wood, fillers, sanding, sanding, and sanding. Then I graduated to 3d modeling and cutting plugs with a 5 axis router using high density foam. I could never go back to stick building plugs. I'm curious about the numbers. How did you come up with the labor savings? Gluing up blocks of foam can't be more labor intensive than gluing up the printed parts. I would think machine time should be fairly even. Likewise, the finish work on the machined surfaces should be pretty close to equal. Where does the labor savings come in?
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
Hi Roger, If you are talking about the previous answer, those savings came from an aerospace tool that traditionally is very labor intensive. With our VLP (Vertical Layer Print) option, we can now 3D print that same boat plug in 1 piece. Also, instead of 3D printing the plug, we would go straight to the mold eliminating the plug process. The video of the 3D printed boat hull took a total of 10 days to complete. Machine time is the biggest factor. thanks,
@spanishjo42824 жыл бұрын
World best technology! My son is a 3D expert too.
@powdemonic71214 жыл бұрын
Will this reduce the cost of building a boat or will it just make it so the molds can be reused more often? Or is there some other advantage to this as i am unsure.
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
The boat mfg didn't give us their exact costs and time for their traditional methods. This particular boat mold had about $15,000 in material costs and from start to finish took 10 days to complete. That's printing, assembling and machining. Another example: We 3D printed an aerospace tool for a customer and the customer compared using his traditional method. Additive mfg. material costs were 34% less and required 69% fewer labor hours vs traditional methods. Build time for additive mfg tool was 3 days vs 8 days for conventional method. I believe the same would go for additive mfg of master plugs for boat hulls. Yes, according to our understanding, this method will greatly extend the life of the mold. Thanks!
@blakanal72223 жыл бұрын
Is it cheaper than the usual way of machining an XPS Core, put paste on it and machine it again?
@djmjr774 жыл бұрын
Freaking awesome!!!! Im trying to do this on the R/C scale and its pretty difficult ...
@BoozyWoozy4 жыл бұрын
BFP - Big Fucking Printer. How cool it is, just as expensive. And after molding, do you use gelcoat spraying to make boats?
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
Hi, We just 3D printed the plug. They will be pulling the mold from that plug to make the fiberglass hull from. I believe White River Marine Group used a gelcoat
@3dprintwiz3786 жыл бұрын
Biggest question is does the 3d printed one float? And where you the same company that made that 3d printed car, and if not, why not make one?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi, we didn't print the final boat hull. We 3D Printed the plug that will be used to create the final product. We did not print the 3D car (Strati). That was before we created the LSAM. Local Motors used a different printer to 3D print the car. Then our 5 Axis CNC Router was used to machine the outside of the car body and other components. At this time it is not feasible to 3D print a car. There is a faster way to do this. Plus there are a lot of details that have to do with safety that has not been addressed. The LSAM can 3D print tools and molds used for vehicle components. Local Motors new project is the Olie (Autonomous Bus) which our LSAM is printing the chassis as well as other components. The Olie can be used at College campuses and theme parks as well as other places.
@garyalexander76745 жыл бұрын
The 3d was the mold to make the real boats
@QWTrucker5 жыл бұрын
How much does it cost to print the boat? What kind of 3D printer is used?
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Hi Quinton, This particular boat mold had about $15,000 in material costs and from start to finish took 10 days to complete. Thats printing, assembling and machining. The printer used was our Thermwood LSAM (Large Scale Additive Manufacturing) system
@QWTrucker5 жыл бұрын
Thermwood Corporation that’s awesome you guys are awesome I would love to come work with you and learn from you
@djsbuds1234 жыл бұрын
Does this make for a cheaper boat to buy?
@titter36484 жыл бұрын
how can you print a part that big with no heated bed out of ABS and have no warping?
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
Hi, With no heated bed or environment, we control the cooling for each bead using our patented layer time control. Also because we use a large bead, we print near-net shape so if there is some warping, we still have some extra material to machine.
@davidantill69493 жыл бұрын
How fantastic...someone can have a library of bespoke hull designs which can swiftly be made into molds. The process of iteration will accelerate exponentially. Wright's law will also lead to costs plummeting exponentially too.
@Peter-jl4ki2 жыл бұрын
Swift is a relative term. The entire process from start of print to finished mold probably took a week. The main selling points are that duration and cost are more predictable, and it saves on manual labor.
@slevinshafel93955 жыл бұрын
Economicaly what is better? make all this step in this video wit 3D print or just make CNC on highdensity poliuretan and after that make the mold?
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Hi Slevin, I can give you a couple of examples. We 3D printed and machined a mold for an oil drip pan cover that goes on a helicopter. A composites company near us created that same mold using their traditional methods. The following were the results: Additive manufacturing material cost was 34% less and it required 69% fewer labor hours. Build time for the additive tool was 3 days versus 8 days for the conventional tool. If the part was larger, a support structure would be needed for the conventional tool which would add two days and more labor hours to the conventional process. A larger additive tool would not require a support structure. Another example is the boat hull. We 3D printed the tool for the boat hull in 3 days. It took a total of 10 days from start to finish. Normally it would take weeks or months to produce the same tool. Another example is we 3D printed a mold for a helicopter blade. Additive Mfg. took 3 hours to print. Machine time took about a week. Normally it takes months to get the same tool.
@M33TFP7 жыл бұрын
And cost?
@Jeremy-fy1sz6 жыл бұрын
Well, tooling typically costs a shitload, my guess is its a fraction of other methods, and really accurate.
@brobrah45956 жыл бұрын
Cost will NEVER be revealed. Its either so cheap that its kept secret to stifle competition or so expensive that its off putting to customers. Its a game companies play that any human that consumes should already be aware of...
@wordreet6 жыл бұрын
I can't find anything about their pricing, but from looking at their website and seeing the scale of the machines, not forgetting that this included a milling machine, my guess is around 5 to 10 million bucks.
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi Terry, are you curious about the cost of the LSAM or the cost of 3D printing the hull?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi, please email sales@thermwood.com for more information and pricing. Thanks,
@fooman21086 жыл бұрын
Print something 10mils bigger than the finished part, CNC trim it the final 10mm, and imagine the time (and cleanup/wasted material) you will need! Drop the mold, print another. Change and intake (different propulsion), print a new mold. Structural reinforcement in an area (lights, weapon mounts, ski ropes), print another one. A truly practical idea for 3-d printing. Want to make a bet that the newest design for the C-9 won't come from something like this?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi, Sorry for the late response. Having to glue up a blank using wood or foam and then machining most of that material away is the traditional method. We printed the boat hull and end up taking off about .25" (6mm) of material. The print consisted of the shape of the hull and not a big rectangle with much more material that needs to be removed. The material being used for this is ABS with 20% carbon fiber mix so very tough material vs wood or foam.
@starhopper4573 жыл бұрын
That was cool to watch, but I hope that boat has a strong transom with additional supports!
@ThermwoodCorporation3 жыл бұрын
Hi David, We are not 3D printing the final hull in this video. This is the boat plug for this project. White River Marine Group wanted a 3D printed plug to then create the mold from, which then created the final hull. This 3D printed plug was used in a production model. www.compositesworld.com/articles/tahoe-boats-t16-uses-3d-printed-tooling-from-thermwood
@BV24 жыл бұрын
and where is the boat on the water?
@CHMichael4 жыл бұрын
Why this direction and not upside down?
@automan12238 ай бұрын
are there print houses that can print something this big without investing in the whole machine ?
@ThermwoodCorporation8 ай бұрын
Hi @automan1223 - yes, we have a large group of service bureaus that own our LSAM systems. They offer printing services for a fee. If you'd like to contact any of them on a project, please call us at 1-812-937-4476, and we can help put you in touch. Thanks.
@josephmachado32853 жыл бұрын
I wonder if he could do a flat bottom v-drive hot rod boat
@tracietarinelli69824 жыл бұрын
That's Incredible !!
@kravanamjesecu4 жыл бұрын
Tracie,you are easily amused...
@alenlovric962 жыл бұрын
What is this dark material called these boats are getting printed by?
Great video & process, is the music backing track created by stepper motors?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, No. We only use servo motors.
@Sailingon6 жыл бұрын
Mike Doyle can you imagine half way through a stepper losing steps. I'd cry
@ExploreComposites5 жыл бұрын
That's amazing! Is the bed heated or just using the glued pellet method? Those big piece look like they could really warp, but it seems like they don't.
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Hi, The bed is not heated. We use our patented bead board which is pellets glued to a plywood board that is secured to the table. It doesn't warp much due to the carbon fiber fill in the plastic pellets.
@RFi7316 жыл бұрын
How did you print ABS that huge without a noticable shrinkage?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi, All of the plastic materials that we use including ABS all have a certain percentage of carbon fiber. This helps with shrinkage and strength. Plus we also control the cooling per layer instead of heating the entire envelope.
@RFi7316 жыл бұрын
@@ThermwoodCorporation sounds like a great method! How did you control the cooling?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
We developed "Layer Time Control" which is a feature on our QCore Control. This feature will automatically control the speed at which a layer in printed to achieve a set time per polymer. Each polymer has a defined set of characteristics. The printed layer must cool to a specific temperature range before the next layer can be printed.
@RFi7316 жыл бұрын
@@ThermwoodCorporation do you control the cooling rate itself like by blowing warm air, or just depending on the ambient air to cool it?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi, Ambient air in a climate controlled room.
@ridwantripcamping8991 Жыл бұрын
I want to buy this boat model, how do I do it?
@marcusstackpoole3506 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you just print the mold and skip the step of pulling a plug from the boat? You could have had your first ready to use in the same amount of time, right? Or am I missing something?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi Marcus, I am unsure about this. The boat mfg. gave us the drawing file so that is what we printed. I wouldn't know why we couldn't print the mold and skip the plug.
@dinohorseaborus6 жыл бұрын
Thermwood Corporation would the mold even be strong enough? It seems like it would have some pretty high stress levels when de-molding
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi Jimbo, Yes this mold is strong enough. For this application we use a carbon fiber, reinforced plastic material (ABS) for the entire structure.
@thomashuygen32465 жыл бұрын
Jimbo Avfreak They created a 3d printed mold in a recent video, if still interested
@vreference6 жыл бұрын
Bed temp, layer height, nozzle diameter?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi, The temperature of the bed is at room temp. No need to heat the environment in which the items are printed in. We can print an item that is Y - 10ft (3m) x X - 20ft (6m) and Z - 5ft (1.5m). We can go up to 100ft (30m) in length. The nozzle diameter is .5" (12.7mm)
@richardsurey61674 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be quicker to print one piece a a time because of the transition between pieces for each layer?
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard, Because the LSAM's bead is very large, we print in a room temperature environment. With this process, print speed is essentially controlled by the cooling rate of the polymer being printed, rather than by the output of the print head. The printed bead must cool enough to support the next layer, but must still be warm enough to fuse completely with it. This means that there is a specific temperature range, which is different for each polymer, where this approach to printing works. Each polymer requires a certain amount of time to cool to within that temperature range. That amount of time is the fastest that a layer can be printed, regardless of its size. All of this is automatic in our control. In a nutshell, we need sufficient time between layers to cool. If it takes 2 minutes to print a layer and 2 minutes before we can print again, you can either print a bead on another part or move the machine into a "Hot Hold" area and wait 2 minutes. In that video we are printing 2 pieces in the same time that we would print 1 piece. Sorry for the long response.
@richardsurey61674 жыл бұрын
@@ThermwoodCorporation great answer, I wasn't thinking about how much heat is held in a bead of material from a larger nozzle like that. I wonder if you could speed things up with multiple smaller nozzles laying alternatively, get some of the initial heat out
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard, Smaller beads would help with temperature and speed but would require more passes. We tried to use fans to help cool but that was very inconsistent. As far as speed, we printed a helicopter blade tool that was 18 ft long x 3' x 3' and it only took 3 hours to print which is quick - kzbin.info/www/bejne/farFl61ui52bfq8. The multiple nozzles idea is interesting and would need to think how that would work with our patented compression wheel that is used to compress the current layer to the layer below pressing out any air pockets/voids which also makes for a nice bond.
@JS-rp7qb6 жыл бұрын
Still a duratec coating on the plug? Came close to trying this method on a 14’ skiff but just the cost of materials made it prohibitive. Seriously big budget plug build.
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon, unsure what coating the boat mfg. used. We printed and machined the mold and shipped it to them so they could finish their process to create a plug.
@TheOlRazzleDazzler6 жыл бұрын
What mill are you using to finish machine the positive mold plug?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, We are using our own 5 Axis CNC Router - Thermwood. The LSAM has both the print gantry and trim gantry on the same machine and can perform at the same time as well.
@hayezmohairbi4 жыл бұрын
Is it reliable boat ? I wonder how much would it cost?
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
Hi Aeyez, this print was not a final boat. It is of a boat plug that will then be used to pull a mold to to make the fiberglass hull from.
@eddyevanmadison Жыл бұрын
Whats the cost of one of those 3d printers?
@ThermwoodCorporation Жыл бұрын
Hi @eddyevanmadison - the cost can vary depending on the type of LSAM and options. If you would like to write us at sales@thermwood.com, we can provide pricing and answer any other questions you have. Thanks!
How much money does this huge 3D printer cost? I believe somewhere $ 2m+ ?
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Hi No Name, please email sales@thermwood.com for more information and pricing on the LSAM. Thanks!
@3dprintwiz3787 жыл бұрын
How long did the print take?
@ThermwoodCorporation7 жыл бұрын
Hi 3D Printwiz - the entire process took around 10 working days to complete (this includes print and trim).
@skyriftnetwork6 жыл бұрын
How long does it usually take without a 3d printer?
@Collateralcoffee6 жыл бұрын
I wonder why some people are too dumb to read the description....
@VictorSteiner6 жыл бұрын
Can we have the model file to print a very small version :D
@amirhouseingholinia20236 жыл бұрын
Thermwood Corporation , how many boats can the printed mold produce before getting scraped?
@Serhiy346 жыл бұрын
I did not understand anything. CNC could cut the same shape from high-density foam. Why did you need to print the workpiece? Аre уou not interested with savings in cost and time?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Typically these master plugs are created using wood (possibly foam) but someone still needs to make a blank by gluing foam blocks together. This takes time. It typically takes weeks if not months to create the same Master Plug for a boat hull that we 3D printed and machined in 10 days. The material that we used for this will also hold up longer than foam. Just like I mentioned in the above replies, we did 3D print an aerospace tool for a customer and the customer compared using his traditional method. Additive mfg. material costs were 34% less and required 69% fewer labor hours vs traditional methods. Build time for additive mfg tool was 3 days vs 8 days for conventional method.
@chriscook14684 жыл бұрын
Serhiy Lonko: Great comment. I would think a CNC cut of heavy foam, (5 to 10 lb), would accomplish the same thing for a lot less money. Maybe the longevity is an issue. For limited production, the foam idea is great. These guys make the cnc machines that do that. Very interesting stuff.
@Fryhs5 жыл бұрын
How many times can you use that mold ? Can you reuse them
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr. Y. Some of this will depend on material and application. If using a high temp material used in Autoclaves, we are unsure about how many cylces a 3D printed mold can endure. A customer of ours is testing this now. For low temp materials used in the Marine industry as well as others, the mold could be used multiple times. For example, we 3D printed a mold for the cast concrete industry. They have been able to pull hundreds of concrete parts from the mold and still no degradation. If the mold was made of wood, the amount of pulls would be a lot less. 3D printed molds can be ground up and turned back into pellets. Because plastics lose some properties when heated and cooled, generally you will use a small percentage of regrind material with virgin material.
@Fryhs5 жыл бұрын
@@ThermwoodCorporation Thank you for your time and answer. I got it :)
@duckhorn4 жыл бұрын
is the pilament carbon? or fiberglass ?
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
The material used are made from plastic and a certain percentage of carbon fiber in pellet form. We have printed ABS, PC, Nylon 6, PSU, PESU, and others.
@drfiberglass4 жыл бұрын
Nice hull plug...
@parmoni6 жыл бұрын
how did you join the 3 sections together to achieve shear strength?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, We used Lord epoxy to bond the sections together using machined pins for location purposes. We also used zip bolts but probably didn't need to. We printed as part of the hull, 4 areas as to which we were able to attach wheels so we could easily move the hull around. We shipped the boat hull a few thousand miles on the metal skid (shown in video) and didn't have an issue with the seams.
@parmoni6 жыл бұрын
thanks so much for replying, i think it's amazing super innovative what you're doing!!! one more thing though, what is it about Lord epoxy that made you choose it over other types of marine epoxies?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Not a problem. Thanks. I believe when working with the Purdue Composite Manufacturing and Simulation Center they thought that the Lord epoxy worked very well. Purdue also tried acrylic and it didn't work as well.
@saturninodacostaparlan39342 жыл бұрын
wow it`s verry nice mesine how i can get to my country in Timor Leste. may i have your company name..
@johnnyllooddte34156 жыл бұрын
Can you build our hulls.. What is the biggest please.. Doc johnny
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi Doc, We are the mfg. for the LSAM and are not 3D printing parts for anyone other than companies that are looking to purchase an LSAM. The LSAM starts off with a 10 ft wide by 10 ft long table. We can go up to 100 ft long. The build height can go up to 5 ft tall.
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Hi, I won't say never but we are working to perfect the reinforced thermoplastic materials for now.
@visaaaam4 жыл бұрын
how much it will cost
@BrokenLifeCycle6 жыл бұрын
So, does 3D printing streamline the prototyping and mass production process or something? Was this like a new hull design? I’d like to hear about it from an economic perspective.
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi, Sorry for the late response. This was a new design that the boat mfg gave us to print. The LSAM's main target is not to produce the final product but to print tooling, molds, masters, plugs and fixtures for a variety of industries such as aerospace, automotive, marine, foundry and thermoforming. Companies are looking for a cheaper method to produce these tools than traditional methods and additive manufacturing gives them this. An example of savings is we 3D printed an aerospace tool for a customer and the customer compared using his traditional method. Additive mfg. material costs were 34% less and required 69% fewer labor hours vs traditional methods. Build time for additive mfg tool was 3 days vs 8 days for conventional method. The customer was able to produce parts directly from this tool.
@MrNick-3 жыл бұрын
Can I hire your company to create a mold similar to the size of a kayak? I’m looking for a company to make the mold so I can make and sell fiberglass boats similar to a kayak. Thank you
@ThermwoodCorporation3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr. Nick, We don't do this type of work at Thermwood only because we don't want to take business away from our customers. If you email sales@thermwood.com and explain what you are wanting, they can give you a list of our customers that would be able to print a mold for you.
@1osmosiss4 жыл бұрын
How heavy is it?
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
Hi, The boat hull weighed about 3000 .lbs
@Edyth_Hedd6 жыл бұрын
Thermwood, rather than 3D printing the hull plug from which a tool was made, why didn't you just 3D print the hull tool itself?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
I see no reason why we couldn't. We did this project from what the boat manufacturer wanted. I believe boat manufacturers must in fact build two boats: the finished product and the mold from which it springs. Normally this would take weeks, possibly months and we printed and machined this boat hull in about 10 days. Currently we are looking at creating a single hull/deck combo as one piece.
@thomashuygen32465 жыл бұрын
They released a video where they 3d printed a mold for a boat hull. Oak ridge natunal library did something similar aswell
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, This master pattern was actually used for the Tahoe T16 boat that the White River Group just released. Here is the article. www.compositesworld.com/blog/post/tahoe-boats-t16-uses-3d-printed-tooling-from-thermwood
@Kirohan6 жыл бұрын
*and to show you the power of flextape, i sawed this boat in half*
@dryhumor7302 Жыл бұрын
Hahaha!!!
@GRosa2504 жыл бұрын
Always wondered how they made the boat molds, pretty cool.
@김찬두-g7z3 жыл бұрын
ㅐㅐㅑ
@xxportalxx.5 жыл бұрын
So we finally get to see why e3d released the kraken...
@EasyKayakru4 жыл бұрын
Why do you print the pattern and then make a mould of it, instead of just print the mould straight away? This would be a logical
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
Hi, For this demonstration, White River Marine Group wanted us to print the pattern and they wanted to create the mould using their traditional methods. We could print the mould and eliminate the pattern phase.
@heaven-is-real6 жыл бұрын
>>>the only purpose for this printed boat is to make a fiberglass mold. >>>then the fiberglass mold is used to make the actual boats (it is a two-step process)
@chriscook14684 жыл бұрын
@SaltyBrains Your idea of using it as a one off mold is cool. It is how limited production boats can be made. The smooth female mold made from this plug is what they are after. It is much more cost effective for production boats. They can get many female molds from the plug and many boats from each of these female molds. Very interesting. I have been entertaining building small cottages from this basic method. Still investigating. It is the Wild West out there. You can start new products that were too expensive before.
@Cj199442 жыл бұрын
Why don’t they just print the mold
@miqdamjunaid13004 жыл бұрын
Can you please me provide the 3d model of this hull?
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
Hi Miqdam, Unfortunately we cannot share the model. thanks,
@Dude-yo5ec6 жыл бұрын
Just a question what size of filament did you use?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
The LSAM doesn't use filament. The LSAM uses pellets made with a specific plastic material and a certain percentage of carbon fiber. This boat hull used pellets made with ABS and 20% carbon fiber mix. The bead size that comes out of the nozzle is .5" (12.7mm)
@MrDanieluy2 жыл бұрын
@@ThermwoodCorporation I would like a quotation for a hull of a boat I have designed, where do I turn to ?
@chasl36454 жыл бұрын
Make the hull with dimples like a golf ball so that it slides through the water easier.
@Subquake6 жыл бұрын
The idea is cool and all, but won't the seams be the weak point of this boat? I think that any other kind of seam other than a straight line would be much stronger.
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi Subquake, We 3D printed the Master Plug for a boat hull, not the actual boat hull. The mold is created from the plug and then the boat hull is created from the mold. We transported this 3D printed hull over 1000 miles with fork lifts picking up and placing this hull numerous times and is still holding together. The epoxy used is very strong and just like a weld, is stronger than the material itself.
@Subquake6 жыл бұрын
Oh, I got that, thanks for the explanation.
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi, I believe boat manufacturers must in fact build two boats: the finished product and the mold from which it springs. That is correct.
@BriannaBeastMode5 жыл бұрын
Now that you have your fiberglass mold, you can sell your 3d printed boat to someone who wants to go on the water with a printed boat :D :D
@ericlam60876 жыл бұрын
How much time saved?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi Eric, the boat mfg didn't give us costs and time for their traditional methods. We did 3D print an aerospace tool for a customer and the customer compared using his traditional method. Additive mfg. material costs were 34% less and required 69% fewer labor hours vs traditional methods. Build time for additive mfg tool was 3 days vs 8 days for conventional method. I believe the same would go for additive mfg of master plugs for boat hulls.
@heresteven6 жыл бұрын
Those joints makes me wonder if they’re strong enough. I had poor results with some joints.
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi, The epoxy that we used has been very successful in this process. We have transported this boat hull over 1000 miles and used fork trucks for picking up and placing the hull numerous times with no issue. We are working on our VLP (Vertical Layer Print) option that would allows us to 3D print this boat hull in one piece.
@lucaribeiro61235 жыл бұрын
@@ThermwoodCorporation that would be amazing! I was very curious about the nozzle diameter but I guess that is sensible information? Keep up the amazing work!
@ThermwoodCorporation4 жыл бұрын
Hi Luca, the nozzle diameter is .5" (12.7mm)
@77gravity6 жыл бұрын
Wow. no real sense of scale until the assembly phase, and then Wow that's a big print.
@AtlantisRouTou6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I also thought it 1m x 1m or so )
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
The build envelope of the LSAM in the video is 3m (10ft) x 6m (20ft) x 1.5m (5ft) Z
@Hellsong896 жыл бұрын
*sees the video* Ou cool! I wonder what scale that is and what kind of propulsion this will have *parts on the shop floor* ...Ou that was not a RC boat XD *Plug goes to 5 axis cnc router* even more amazing! Any chance of getting 3D model files to make scale RC boat?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
The boat plug that was printed is at full scale. They will be pulling the mold from that plug to make the fiberglass hull from.
@Orc-icide Жыл бұрын
So this isn't a print in place boat
@mkivy2 жыл бұрын
And where are the weakest parts of this build? The seams ? The Glue? Logistics in H2O for lone periods. The effects of salt water on hull? We shall see…
@SuperYellowsubmarin6 жыл бұрын
Please give us a rough estimate of the cost !
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi SuperYellowsubmarin, please email sales@thermwood.com for more information and pricing on the LSAM. Thanks!
@atlastobin78373 жыл бұрын
I sawed this 3D printer boat in half!
@CityBaltic3 жыл бұрын
Why the loud music? Its very annoying
@josesalmeron47224 жыл бұрын
Megustan yo quiero formar uno de esos botes me gustarían las medidas
@Юрийббб-ж8ъ5 жыл бұрын
Печатали только форму?
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Hi, We 3D printed the tool that was used to create the mold which is then used to create the final hull.
@Юрийббб-ж8ъ5 жыл бұрын
@@ThermwoodCorporation understandably , why don’t they print boats and small vessels, for example, from polyvinyl chloride? after all, you can also print large parts of the suln and then weld them in the type of passopirone plastic pipes.
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Hi, We could very well print the boat hull and it would float, but there are numerous questions about integrity, speed, price and more. White River Marine Group wanted us to 3D print the tool. The link shows that WRMG made the final boat hull from the 3D printed tool. press.basspro.com/tahoe-boats-introduces-new-boat-model--designed-to-get-more-families-boating-/
@Юрийббб-ж8ъ5 жыл бұрын
@@ThermwoodCorporation that's all i understood so de understood that there was a question about loads and wear resistance, but did not understand why the case was not strung out of plastic as a half-worn final lethal. For example, I thought about searching for panels with enclosed air cells and the innovative system of fusion testing at the construction site - assembly.
@schlaznger80496 жыл бұрын
Why not just 3d print the hull in one piece instead? No seams to leak.
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi, We are not printing the actual boat. We are printing the master plug. The boat mfg. uses fiberglass to create the mold and then the actual boat is created from that. We had to print this hull in multiple pieces because of the size. We are limited to 5 ft tall. We are working on our VLP (Vertical Layer Print) option that would allows us to 3D print this boat hull in one piece.
@schlaznger80496 жыл бұрын
Oh ok, that makes more sense. I was not trying to be smart as I did not know. Thank's for answering.
@Dude-yo5ec6 жыл бұрын
Ok it was awesome... The first. 3D printed an actual useful object :)
@mindpuzzle813 жыл бұрын
Actually most companies are using 3d printing in mould injection processes and have been doing so for quite a while.
@michaelespiritu29084 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@arielerosa32044 жыл бұрын
I'll be naming mine the Prin-Tanic once i get one and sinks.
@mysticalsoulqc4 жыл бұрын
hi, I conceptualize some innovation with 3d printing and oxides...etc... but haven't hade the chance to be supported in my builds. I actually put in place these types of devices, for now, robotic arms... for the people by the people so we can all participate in what you are doing would you like to make a video, I have so many questions and we could share your success story with the world on both are channels more for you, and me to show people my vision can be realized. much appreciation for your share, graphene boat would be cool? you can contact me here or on Facebook and if I can ask how much did it cost you to build that you went all out on this one. you have the state of the art devices that thing is like 250 000 setup right? not counting the warehouse?
@flypic10986 жыл бұрын
Very impressive.
@bmpowellicio6 жыл бұрын
Well, yes, but you'd think that the design would be a little bit more 21st century after all that effort. Whats more, I don't think the 3D printing stage adds much. Why not simply 5D cut the hull from a solid block of material? That would be far cheaper, too. Go see what the Indians are doing with high-tech boat production, they have a few years more experience with complex layups of resin-insused forms. Playing catch-up is never easy.
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, Just like making a tool for about anything, if you start off with a big block of material, you end of machining most of it away. We offer CNC machining centers that do just that. 3D printing allows us to print an object that is slightly bigger than final size so this requires very little material to be taken off. 3D printing is also quicker than machining. Generally what we have found is that machining takes about 3 times longer than the print cycle depending on geometery and finish. Currently we are looking to 3D print the hull and deck in 1 piece as we work with boat mfg.'s. I will check out the high-tech boat production. Thanks
@haworthluke5 жыл бұрын
Layer height 8cm
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, the thickness for each layer is .51 cm (.2 inches) and width is 2 cm (.83 inches)
@haworthluke5 жыл бұрын
@@ThermwoodCorporation lol i thought it looked thick compared to what I am used to (0.6mm). Amazing result though I love to see people pushing new technologies to their limits. are you a boat company or a machine company? I will have a closer look at your channel soon
@ThermwoodCorporation5 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, Thanks. We manufacture the machine. We 3D printed the tool for the boat hull in conjunction with White River Marine Group. The bead is pretty big. The nozzle diameter is .5" (12mm)
@SamsungJprime-ob4of Жыл бұрын
Prestame tu impresora quiero imprimir un auto
@TeChM4NuAloJuNkiE4 жыл бұрын
Sooooooooooo this is not a 3D printed boat. THIS JUST A MOLD NOT A PRINTED BOARD
@--dh--6 жыл бұрын
How were the pieces secured together?
@ThermwoodCorporation6 жыл бұрын
Hi, We used Lord epoxy to bond the sections together and used machined pins for location purposes. We also used zip bolts but probably didn't need to.
@jappecoco4 жыл бұрын
Cool, thx for sharing
@johngregg91874 жыл бұрын
Try hitting a 6' wave in that hull with 600 hp. Call the coast guard ASAP!