The Sickest Twist In A Game This Year | Vintage Cube Draft

[@robertfuson2253]

I love that my favorite TV show drops a new 1 hour episode every day ❤️

[@roippi3985]

If you’re in a hurry and want The Twist, spoilerino 31:29

[@mtgbast]

Love the MTGO drafts too! Legolas was sick! However I think that game was lost earlier, around 27:42. I'd always cast Lurrus here at 10 life, knowing they have hasty Kaldra in hand and Lurrus lifelink could be important. I guess the idea was to keep Lurrus as a surprise and play Samwise in case they attack Wrenn and Six. But Lurrus would have attacked 2 more times this game, putting you in comfortable range if you just played it there.

[@fudawg45]

He even admits that the correct play for his opponent is to attack him directly and not W&S.

[@GoingOnAStreak]

I know LSV has already said he’s changed his drafting strategy to pick high impact over forcing synergy/open lane, but to me it seems like it lends itself to easily scattered drafting. Chasing high power cards to end up with domain -> Lurrus -> Get beat by green stompy doesn’t seem like the best LSV can do when he’s really serious.

[@c_ret2]

I imagine that this sort of approach is a holdover from team drafting all the time, where passing generically powerful cards is much more of a downside. I agree that he can probably aspire to drafting more focused synergy-heavy decks in mtgo leagues.

[@zivkobabz]

i dont think this was really representative though. It was a perfect answer into a game where he drew 8 lands in 11 cards. That's just magic sometimes.

[@GoingOnAStreak]

@@zivkobabz ​​⁠​⁠ I agree - Magic has variance and that’s the point of deck building (and limited specifically) and after watching again I don’t absolutely hate too many of the picks. I just think that LSV didn’t cut any colors or send any signals by staying so open. I think the a trade-off of staying open is giving average drafters the go-ahead in archetypes we passed staples for. There’s definitely a decent Grixis midrange or reanimator deck here somewhere.

[@LucidVision1]

I think you are reading into this result. One game of magic is nothing. In his cube (and the current iteration of MTGO vintage cube), the fixing is plentiful so drafting high power and seeing if you can tie it all together is a viable strategy. The value of being in an "open lane" is small , because everyone else is also prioritizing picking the best cards and the lands to support doing so. I've had a lot of success drafting this current iteration of the vintage cube and I prioritze picking synergy cards even less than LSV.

[@garagavia]

What picks would you do differently? Sure you're not just a hindsight hero?

[@zaneluffman820]

Unfortunately there just wasn't enough time in game 2 to wasteland his own Sheldock so he can bring it back with W6 to reset it. That would have been sweet.

[@MarylandBF]

What we hear: "I like being able to cast my spells." What he means: "I like being able to cast my lands."

[@pyromusicman21]

Mizzixs mastery replays time walk and fractured identity, plus random removal if needed. Not snaying it was a snap pick, But maybe worth consideration especially with the time walk.

[@giancarlocafaro6734]

4 mana is a lot of mana for those effects except time walk, and even that gets worse with all the other spells (since you don’t have much of a board presence to exploit time walk). As a general rule, if LSV goes without mentioning something you think could have been a snap pick or worthy of consideration, you should probably reevaluate and try to figure out why it’s not good enough for even a mention.

[@MeoMix]

I wish there had been a deeper explanation for the rationale behind not equipping Lurrus with the Kaldra. It seemed to me that it was possible to play swamp from hand, equip Lurrus while leaving Shelldock up, and lifelink out of range of a potential Craterhoof. They didn't have craterhoof ofc, but I didn't hear any reason for why it was better to keep them separate given the amount of mana available.

[@mattwecrazy3236]

Agreed.

[@ei9443]

Maybe keeping up mana for samwais i guess?

[@SymmetricalDocking]

@@ei9443 That was LSV's rationale. It leaves up Samwise to save W&6. It was just also a rationale that led to a greater chance of defeat than the alternative for no real gain.

[@deggdegg2005]

@@SymmetricalDocking Given that Lurrus just re-casts W&6 I don't even know why it matters that much to keep it alive.

[@datfox2844]

Great video as usual, its a shame we didn't get to see this deck play more games. Have a feeling this was just an unlucky showing!

[@ei9443]

Better luck next time :D thanks for the videos, really enjoyed it! Steering away from red blue aggro was the best option i think because there were not really cards like that besides maybe rabblemaster and seedshark. Lurrus definitely was the only direction there, its a shame that there were not much 2 drop bombs. There actually was the green 2 mana bristly bill that would maybe have been good with lurrus and wrenn and six, since it gets counters from land drops. Lots of annoying comments here, but sometimes mtg players are sort of rude i think. Thanks for the drafts, watch them everyday!

[@zacparkinson900]

Isn’t mizzix mastery essentially a regrowth for time walk? I feel like that could have worked out nicely. I still enjoyed the video regardless! Thanks for your continual uploads

[@garagavia]

I was on Seedshark over Wasteland at 8:23

[@RickertUrgen]

especially with Bombardiers.

[@mattdespard6576]

I know Luis likes bombardiers but taking it P1P1 over Library or Mana Vault seems pretty wild to me

[@traycarrot]

It must have changed in his rankings over the last couple months. He had Library at ~13th under power, Bowmasters, and Minsc but Bombardiers ~25th.

[@nickk6556]

bombardiers is busted when it works but it takes a lot to make it work. It's not like mana vault/lotus/sol ring where if you draw it + any 4/5 drop in your opener you just win the game most of the time. Library in a similar boat

[@giancarlocafaro6734]

@@nickk6556lol this is just not true. It doesn’t take a lot at all. Weird to think that ANY card that is on board is harder to pull off than vault into 4/5 drop. That’s part of why bomba is so good; you can just throw anything that’s in your deck. Card is absolutely bonkers p1p1.

[@nickk6556]

@@giancarlocafaro6734 That's not true. You can try and fling laelia's and other high impact creatures but you'll likely just get blown out. It's only good with certain cards like thraben inspector or generous plunderer that add permanents to the board on the cheap, or low CMC cards with impactul ETBs like samwise. Otherwise it's fairly clunky. It's a low bar to clear but it's still a real deck building constraint.

[@giancarlocafaro6734]

@@nickk6556this is just all wrong on every level. I can’t even begin to explain everything that’s wrong with what you said. Nonetheless, my original point stands. It’s not hard at all to build around a p1p1 bomba and it’s easier for it to be good than a mana vault.

[@shmericshmorter]

Game 1 should've played Lurrus when it was brought to hand. Facing green white so waiting until you can cast it with Sam backup doesn't save it from their exile removal anyway. Extra damage and life probably wins game. That said thanks for the content. Only nitpicking because lsv is kinda a magic perfectionist and might appreciate the critique.

[@joshdarnit69lol]

Legolas's Quick Reflexes is just an absurdly good card and probably doesn't get picked enough IMO. It's floor is "uncounterable save your creature" and the ceiling is a complete blowout.

[@gregorykelly8000]

More of these 64 player SE please, old man. ;)

[@Quicknick777]

Very high land count definitely showing up again. These decks need some card draw. 64s are tougher

[@dougisacat]

this 18 land mentality has really just not been proved to me yet. Im honestly scared to run 17 lands these days.

[@turbobrew]

I never play 18 unless I have a bunch of wheels and fastbond. 17 for midrange/control decks and 16 for aggro decks.

[@yargotkd]

Passing Mana Vault is one of the choices of all time

[@AndrewIsbell]

Turn 2 bombardiers off a variety of accelerants might be better than turn 2 five drop off a mana vault. Or maybe not.

[@mulldrifterz6469]

@@AndrewIsbell Perhaps, but Mana Vault goes in any deck you draft, regardless of direction.

[@brandonbagley795]

Eh, I think it was a good pick. Would probably have gone with library over both but it's close

[@garagavia]

Respect BOMBA 💣

[@anosmianAcrimony]

@@mulldrifterz6469 Would it even be that great in this deck? It has so many 1-2 mana spells and most of the 3-drops are like, Force of Negation and Fire Covenant. That said obviously Bombardiers didn't get in either...

[@399pi]

@4:08 completely ignored birgi's flavor text

[@Samuel-to1wv]

The world rejoices as we feast our eyes on that Kavu. The rules might be the same but we all know one is better then the other. Keep it up Luis.

[@JBH2989]

"passing Urza and Tinker" He definitely saw the Mana Vault in the pack right?

[@mulldrifterz6469]

He gets rather blinded by Bomba and it gets aggravating as a viewer sometimes.

[@garagavia]

Bombardier is better

[@giancarlocafaro6734]

@@mulldrifterz6469if you don’t get blinded by bomba, then you might be a bad drafter.

[@jacksonwillis125]

Love these drafts. Would it have been a stretch to go Magda over Samwise towards the end of pack two? Deck as I'm currently looking at it commits crimes for days.

[@marcbauerett1232]

Wow, what a twist. Didn't see that coming.

[@garagavia]

This was a fun draft, I didn't even consider taking Lurrus there

[@BearPondersGames]

Luis is paid off by the folks at Big Lurrus. Cant convince me otherwise. Lol

[@moaf2padventures757]

legolas' reflexes confirmed quick

[@Kendal411]

Pack 2, pick 8: He can't keep getting away with it!

[@benlittle5543]

Kavu was the right pick. Hard pick but you needed a beater

[@SpiRit1290]

Like for more 64s!

[@qbass2249]

35:25 classic magic

[@iloverufio200]

WIn or lose, love the content

[@SP-ik6cc]

I wonder if straight up playing Bombadiers is just stronger then having Lurrus as your companion.

[@Oneslicknick]

Rip to Reflexes. Out of all the cards too, it was the perfect answer. GG 😂

[@flashjack711]

The Portent rant was really oversold in the last video, but other than that great job as always

[@LSVargas]

I’ll try to rant more next time 😂

[@nickk6556]

@@LSVargas YES we need a YT short that's just a portent rant

[@jloop_0]

any chance the storm boys make their triumphant return before the vintage cube leaves MTGO?

[@garagavia]

Wow what a game one 😮

[@turbobrew]

Binning a dismember vs a green white deck.

[@govilgark9683]

Next time maybe dismember is decent to keep on top my dude

[@burakaslan4778]

I am not an expert, and ofc I am not as good as lsv but, I start to feel like lsv overvalue Lurus and land library

[@giancarlocafaro6734]

I think it’s more likely that you undervalue lurrus lol

[@burakaslan4778]

​@@giancarlocafaro6734is it better than giving up bombadiers and limit yourself to only could draft 2 or less mana cost permanents

[@giancarlocafaro6734]

Yes, it is better. Bombardiers is amazing but you still have to draw it, so you can play your games without ever seeing the card. Lurrus is always there so it’s like starting the game with 8 cards instead of 7. Finally, “only drafting 2 or less mana value” is not that much of a constraint because cheaper cards are generally better. You can also draft more expensive instants and sorceries if you are worried about not having strong cards

[@ReiHost]

Not moving equipment to your lifelinker when you're at 4 seemed foolish. You flooded both rounds--Is 18 lands with so many fetches too much?

[@pedronaranjito]

It was a nice deck, such a pity

[@edwardlong4983]

I'm no good, very bad at cube/magic so obviously lsv knows what he is doing but how does this deck win without hitting something crazy with fractured identity? Seems to have almost no board presence or combos. Nothing really to generate meaningful board presence via lurrus. What am i missing?

[@ei9443]

Well it was mostly a control deck and they tend to have few wincons. After deciding to go lurrus there was not so many 2 drop bombs available anymore, which is also just bad luck. I also think he had quite a bad mana flood in the second game, and the first game was just perfect for the opponent with legolas quick reflexes.

[@edwardlong4983]

But control decks normally have really high value finishers that don't roll over to any removal typically. No? ​@@ei9443

[@SymmetricalDocking]

No you're right. It was either Fractured or the Kavu. If either was at the bottom of his deck he just.. loses

[@shaftlamer]

That's what you get for drafting lands😂

[@cowgirlqueen2636]

Idk about passing that mana vault

[@mclark347]

Honestly, I think this deck would be better with Broadside in main and no Lurrus. You value Lurrus insanely highly and I have no idea why. You've never explained it. You just always pick Lurrus even if you have to throw away the best cards in your deck. Like, you slammed Lurrus this draft while you had exactly zero cards that interact with it, and what few you got later aren't actually that good with Lurrus.

[@LSVargas]

Lurrus is busted, just think about what it means to always draw it for free

[@mclark347]

@@LSVargas Lurrus *can* be busted in the right deck. This is the wrong deck.

[@magpiexoxo]

@@mclark347I mean it’s as much a lurrus deck as a bombardiers deck. Low creatures/artifacts and not very aggressive. Plus lurrus helps with the low creatures thing by always being in hand

[@mclark347]

@@magpiexoxo Well, true, neither one is actually good in this deck. But it was constructed with the intention of being a Lurrus deck, and it isn't. If I'm playing Lurrus *at all* with this pile I'd mainboard both.

[@giancarlocafaro6734]

So you would play a card that you could potentially never see in games vs an extra card that you always start with? Particularly when they are of equal power level. That’s odd

[@Moskalus]

hell yea

[@bodoms_demon4159]

You know it's serious when he drops an H - E - Double Hockey Sticks

[@garagavia]

So weird to see all the haters in the comments

[@marcsteinbruegge254]

That was a rough game.

[@tsutter]

The moment I saw the Lurrus switch I knew this draft was donezo. Cannot remember the last time that card impressed without aggressively broken support (lotus, basically.) Such a trap

[@robbymvb]

Have you watched other videos on this channel much?

[@LSVargas]

You must be new to the channel - I have plenty of lurrus decks up and they always do well, feel free to take a look!

[@ei9443]

I think he often gets a pretty good winrate with lurrus decks. Watch the one with BK as guest, lsv explains about why lurrus decks are good. Its a slow grind with getting your creatures back on board.

[@giancarlocafaro6734]

Lurrus is a trap guys. Heard it here first😂😂😂

[@garagavia]

Let the man cook

[@LogicalKip]

If a basic forest is a 4/4 haste and vigilance, should it really count as a basic forest ? Come on. Wasteland it, then submit a bug report when it doesn't work

[@bobboberson8297]

wotc isn't going to change the rules of the game because you submitted a salty magic online bug report lol

[@tomavery7953]

BOMBADIERS OVER URZA AND LIBRARY?? BRO WUT

[@399pi]

imo, bombadiers compares pretty reasonably with WPA. 3rd turn of WPA is 15 damage, 3rd turn bombadiers throwing just 0 drops is 12, plus it can kill creatures and deal more by saccing expensive cards

[@mulldrifterz6469]

I was more concerned he took it over Mana Vault.

[@wallmart2]

i dont think urza and library is what is so crazy that he did not take. the mana vault however...

[@dementievatz]

I take Bombardiers there, but that’s because I win more by attacking than by thinking.

[@garagavia]

You're a noob Bombardier is crazy strong

[@mulldrifterz6469]

I really wish LSV would go back to how he used to draft. Drafting high impact/being greedy has led to worse results and as a viewer it is less enjoyable. When 4-5 color 'good stuff' is open it is great but more often than not It's rather bad. LSV had at least 3 different solid strategies he could've done and he went with a worse 4th+ option.

[@ei9443]

Well i think he is adapting to a cube that has gotten faster than before. And also more people i think are drafting storm, reanimator, and artifact synergies so they are less open than before i guess.

[@LuizVotto]

I had no idea “brormbrardriers” was better than mana vault wow

[@Quicknick777]

It's close... I think tinker is even better p1p1

[@g.n.s.]

I mean, Siege-Gang Commando used to do some work, as well. Same with Flametongue; those pesky two for ones are starting to come back around just in time for MH3 to upend it all into chaos.

[@AlexCuevas91]

Bombardiers is actually really good and I think the right pick in that scenario

[@giancarlocafaro6734]

Mana vault has really dropped in power level and bomba is absolutely bonkers so ya, welcome to the strange, new world of vintage cube

[@g.n.s.]

@@Quicknick777 Tinker is super fun. It’s almost like picking Entomb first pick. My first pick ideally is always time walk. Ancestral is probably better but, that’s my opinion.

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