Luciano Canfora | La storia falsa | festivalfilosofia 2018

[@oriaforchiassin6713]

Mente eccelsa grande storico e oratore. Chissà chi stato suo allievo o allieva che immensa fortuna. Grazie di cuore❤❤❤❤ nutro grandissimo rispetto per Lei Prof.

[@DaniloBonarelli-qo6lc]

Complimenti professore, il paragone storico con i tempi attuali sono perfetti.

[@monicamilani8694]

Che piacere ascoltare il professor Canfora

[@erminiadegregori3138]

Video datato...ma sempre valido..il Prof, Canfora e' sempre il top....Mi iscrivo solo ora non vi conoscevo prima

[@rosavitiello8500]

Grazie Dott. CARFORA SEMPRE AFFASCINANTE LA STORIA COME LA RACCONTA LEI.

[@virginiaipazia6149]

Provo , ogni volta che lo ascolto o lo leggo, una grande invidia per i suoi studenti.

[@lucianaguarneri6514]

Ascoltare Luciano Canfora :che modo meraviglioso di passare il tempo!

[@caterinamirto23]

Grazie Professore Canfora una lezione davvero illuminante.

[@francescodamele5226]

Formidabile Luciano Canfora

[@mariarosariamatrella50]

Magnifico! Impareggiabile!!!!

[@mancinellipaola6665]

Veramente illuminante per capire il senso della storicità

[@ilonakacorova655]

Wp

[@leonardoperdono5704]

Semplicemente illuminante il prof. Canfora. Grazie !

[@mariasaracammarata3678]

Grazie Grazie Grazie Grazie Grazie

[@francescodamele5226]

Eccezionale Luciano Canfora

[@rosavitiello8500]

Grandi persone della nostra storia! Che x idealismo erano disposti a tutto! PRENDEVANO X SÉ IL VALORE DELLE LORO RESPONSABILITÀ PER CUI ERANO STATI DELEGATI!

[@alr18071968]

Complimenti Canfora !!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@ioghi54]

Grazie Professore.

[@ZINCO33]

Molto interessante, grazie professore

[@liviomazzanti9526]

Mente lucida eccelsa,ha un bagaglio di conoscenze illimitato,ricchissimo di dati,nomi, richiami,citazioni.Le rende onore un piccolo"magister memoriae" apuano

[@francescodamele5226]

Straordinario Luciano Canfora

[@rosavitiello8500]

Bravo professore molto attuale

[@IKnowNeonLights]

Mr Canfora I am sincerely happy to present my respects to you and many of similar in calibre and dedication colleges, for keeping what is the most important aspect of history running, that being its structure, and by that very simple understanding yet extremely hard to achieve work, keeping the very complex combinations part of it's simple main aspect, (it's structure) alive, for the similar in simplicity fact as the previous one (it's structure), that of the alive part being very much a direct consequence of life lived throughout periods of history. I would like to point to an argument that, in the most definite is neither new or innovative, related to the famous history of Julius Caesar, more precisely and exactly the structure of his story, and it is this....! From the very first moment anyone including myself comes across the ample " historical records, such as films, play's, books and poems" about such a formidable person, anyone including myself, (especially myself) can (and I have come) to a possible concluded understanding....! The structure of the whole story built upon the foundations of a strong character such as a Cesar in this case Julius Caesar, especially in this particular case.....! Sounds, it's read as it was written, and play's as a most wonderful and extremely well reasoned intentional or unintentional logic for a (barbarian invasion), through a most inverse (paradoxical) civilization progress. That of the actual civilization moving from a (barbarian point) towards the actual civilization. This point is not a refutal of the existence of a Cesar as Julius Caesar, but a refutal of the order in the historical structure used. The structure is very old, and there is historical records of having been repeated possibly in many instances of different periods, as a turning point for a civilization, later to be known as an ("existentially" crucial moment for a civilization). With a very specific difference....! In almost all of the cases when and if used as a structure, the (barbarian invasion) always fallows it's historically natural order, from it's point known by a civilization as (barbar), towards the civilization that knows it as (barbarian). Meaning....! When it comes to the Mediterranean area's, if and when the civilization under the guidance of any leader known in history, moves for any possible combinations of reasons and logic related to civilization.....!?! It is achieved always through a clockwise direction, always, as it is the only geographical means possible to be successful. Whereas any possible (barbarian invasions) in relation to the Mediterranean area's, can and have always proceeded in a counter clockwise direction, as it is the only geographical means possible to be successful. In almost all of the cases known. Knowing a part from the ample "historical records, such as films, play's, books and poems" in relation to Julius Caesar, that indicate to a pirate incident, knowing where part of his family including a young Augustus, had a possible radius of location, knowing where the most crucial land network of roads leading towards East, known as (the way of fire, the way of the spark, the way of the beginning etc etc) is located, but most importantly knowing that by the period attributed to Julius Caesar, Rome had possibly over six hundred years of recognition, with over four hundred of these as a republic, which can only mean that as an entity difined by its location, Rome was truly incorporated within the Mediterranean network of civilization.....! When it comes to a Cesar known as Julius Caesar, then his ascent and descent probably and possibly had a different order of proceedings, having to do with a clockwise direction and not a counter clockwise direction. ((((Note: A successful or not attempt or a set up as a successful or not attempt on his life, could possibly be related more to April the (Ides) of April, rather than March.)))) Because any wonderful and extremely well reasoned intentional or unintentional logic for a (barbarian invasion), through a most inverse (paradoxical) civilization progress. That of the actual civilization moving from a (barbarian point) towards the actual civilization, makes not much of a sense as a historical structure, when all of the possible (barbarian invasions) after that have fallowed the only possible geographical means to do so in relation to Rome, that of counter clockwise. Is just a point of view, different to the usual, and I have to say that I do enjoy more the ample "historical records such as films, play's, books and poems", to this different point of view.

[@carlfogarthy6508]

Grazie professore, illuminante come sempre. Spero che torni a parlarci da vivo nella zona di Firenze, La vidi al teatro romano di Fiesole qualche tempo fa

[@carlfogarthy6508]

dal

[@fiorentinissimo]

Sempre eccezionale

[@rosavitiello8500]

Buon giorno grazie professore Carfora

[@antoniodigasparro-eldorado3830]

Grazie professore.

[@shakti1293]

Grazie la cultura rende liberi

[@antoniobaudazzi4666]

Perfetta la citazione del GRANDE CATTANEO.

[@pietro7836]

Grande Prof . Consiglio 1914 , molto attuale . E forza Bari .

[@kaiserfranz7030]

Un grande uomo, oltre che un sommo studioso

[@giovannicampi7825]

Grazie tantissimo, questo bisognerebbe insegnarle nelle scuole!non le favolette!

[@Kawabata_Akira]

Canfora è un grande, ogni volta che lo metto nell'armadio mi tiene lontano le tarme.

[@carloiraci1311]

Grazie

[@enricospedicato5543]

Chi è stato conquistato esalta il conquistatore ed ha ragione se togliendogli qualcosa gli dà qualcos'altro in cambio... quindi, credo, attenzione a considerare la "conquista" in maniera negativa a priori...

[@rosavitiello8500]

C è però nella storia che questi ,padroni del mondo fanno una brutta fine, La storia è sempre contemporanea.

[@Nighthawk799]

Bel video.

[@aldosperti9440]

Mi guarderei bene mandare i miei ragazzi ascoltare la storia raccontata distorta da questa persona.....la storia d'italia e gia' stata scritta da veri storici.....

[@francescoocchiofino25]

Quanto mi spiace per i "suoi"ragazzi. Il Professore Canfora è uno tra i più importanti filologi al MONDO. Le sue pubblicazioni, dove le trovo? Grazie

[@pida689]

Veri storici tipo Sangiuliano😂

[@cheranefule2013]

Decidiamo noi in quale storia credere La storia vera la percepisci con l'intelletto e con l'empatia ma sopra tutto l' ha analizzi con la logica

[@salvatoreanfuso4784]

Che lezione...

[@domenicocogo6809]

E' la nostra vita, il nostro contesto, le nostre vicissitudini che ci fanno vedere e provare la verità. Il trovare la verità non è solo un atto intellettivo (studi, testi, documenti, archivi ecc...) ma sopra tutto un insieme di atti vitali, condivisi con coloro che ci sono vicini e che hanno sofferto per le medesime vicende. Grazie

[@LorenzoSoldi-r1i]

la STORIA è storia, la personale percezione è un'altra cosa, come la propria memoria. Vedendo quale rapporto ha con la grammatica, non mi soprende che non le distingua.

[@tizone9317]

@@LorenzoSoldi-r1i La storia è l'analisi delle interpretazioni della realtà che hanno i contemporanei di un epoca diversa da quella dello storico

[@LorenzoSoldi-r1i]

@@tizone9317 La storia non è interpretazione, è lo studio di quello che è successo ed è stato documentato nei secoli in moto certo. La storia deve essere acritica e documentata con fonti attendibili e riscontrabili, altrimenti sono novelle

[@danieletammurello7177]

Canfora è il top

[@pietrocalcioli8169]

Leggete un qualsiasi libro di storia Russo...!!

[@IKnowNeonLights]

Changing the parameter, changes everything. An equally powerful example to that of a coin, yet being it is highly and solely as a only language fundamental connected and regarding to mind, meaning easier to grasp with and within a understanding is this.... Assume a linguistics sentence in the form of... ( Trust no one), with the {trust}, the {no}, and the {one}, each as individual part, regarding to the obvious {do not} sum part..... Upon the introduction of such a sentence, which upon a template to a template comparison regarding any human being, makes and refers to a plausible sound and stable logic, meaning it accepted as acceptable by and of anyone as a matching reality..... The simple and simultaneously complex introduction of such a sentence changes everything and everyone, meaning it only takes for the conditions to be or be initiated, developed, maintained, and simultaneously enacted, for and by the sentence and its all possible derived meanings and understanding be applicable to everyone and everything often (and the often part is the change manifestation) without any doubt in it's logical regard, making a not matching reality all of the sudden match as if of and by magic. The why to such a more practical example with and within understanding, is this ..... A democracy which has as it's all encompassing parameter deductions with and within a all open, all participating repeatable types, ways and methods of and by popular celebrations to god's, god and as a main foundational structure among all, Dionysus is the god's referring to and by the main reference point in regards to the celebrations, everyone and everything, cannot make an absolute use of and by such logical strand, regarding everyone, everything which includes the celebrations, meaning not trusting no one with and within such types and ways of celebrations has no place. A Epopteia which has as it's all encompassing parameter deductions with and within a fully compliant all levels and degrees of limiting and limited secret and secrecy, one which nonetheless uses exactly the same god, god's, including ways, methods and celebrations, can make and must make an absolute use of such logical strand, meaning not trusting no one, with the caveat of and by (until), {{{{{{{{and the caveat is the manifestation of the epopteia}}}}}}}}, once the appointed period of and by secret and secrecy is concluded meaning completed, the initiate is know known knowledgeable as a disciple, devote, priest or priestess among many other, fully participating with and within the popular all participating all open celebrations, to which anyone and everything can curiosity towards and away, meaning free to discover. A oligarchy is the powerful difference to and by each, meaning it attacks both simultaneously without claiming or leaving any evidence, argument or e logical strand in having done or doing so. Trust no one to and by a oligarchy structure, way and method is and must be always in terms of prepetuality. It is a perpetual must in regards to attacking democracy, which must have no trace of and by it, and it is a perpetual must in regards to attacking epopteia, which must have only a limited limiting levels and degrees of a appointed period. [[[[[ Democracy is one of the primordial fundamentals, one of the archetype of archetypes, and as that type of structure will always remain unbeatable, democracy has been fighting a tricked fight for over three millennium, always in the open applicable to all and hiding from none, while simultaneously having every parameter which it includes in being constantly changed, not through it as democracy in the open and hiding from none, but through the most oligarchical epopteia ways and methods, meaning through the most complex perpetual secrets and secrecy, and it will always fall down to all of that which it always remains, and right there, right then democracy is and will be there applicable to all and hiding from none, simply because of and by it's primordial fundamental structure of and by existence.]]]]] ® Miri 13/November 2025

[@0pus]

Premesso che già circa 2500 anni fa Aristotele nella Poetica chiuse la questione tra poesia e storiografia, quella superiore a questa perché parla degli universali e non di mere contingenze (notare qui la distinzione netta tra piano comune umano o 'divino' e quello d'ego/potere), ma il quid è che la storio-grafia (massima opera oratoria, per Cicerone: quindi è mito-poiesi o propaganda, e politica; perché i cosiddetti dati/fatti son proprio fatti e dati da qualcuno e per qualche scopo, non bastano essi di per sé ma van ricomposti a ri-costruire un quadro generale...) si fa proprio in riferimento al presente e quindi in prospettiva futura: ogni lettura del passato è un vettore di senso, non esiste posizione neutrale, asettica, oggettiva etc; ossia: la verità è strumento per la vita nell'attualità e nell'avvenire, in una continua dialettica per la conquista di diritti contro il potere (idem la legislazione) - lotta mai finita e che per chi la studia porta a uno sconforto infinito per l'umanità, sempre persa solo nell'auto-sterminio continuo; incluse le derive religiose (strumenti di dominio, oggi ormai secolarizzatisi nel tecno-scientismo) con le loro illusorie storie della salvezza che mantengono solo l'inferno.

[@nunziopisanelli4723]

Bella sfida tra il prof. Canfora e il prof. Barbero!

[@dadaistaingegniere]

Canfora cita Simone Weil che collega il Terzo Reich con l'antica Roma. Dimentica però che sono gli storiografi ad essere stati pigri e conformisti a decifrare altre lingue al latino contemporanee, proprio perché i nazionalismi europei dell'età moderna hanno il vizio di voler sempre rispecchiarsi nell'Impero Romano.

[@giovannivendramini7343]

Chissà perchè la descrizione del rapporto tra la classe dirigente greca e i conquistatori romani mi ricorda il rapporto attuale tra i dirigenti europei e gli USA.

[@giovannicossu430]

I potenti hanno sempre tentano di asservire la storia .

[@francescospini3533]

Assomiglia a Geremia lettiga del fumetto alan ford

[@rebeccaspecogna382]

Io ho pensato al Numero 1, con un naso più adunco e la barba lunga. Ma in effetti ricorda anche Geremia

[@pierotorazza430]

Bella citazione

[@Adrianomarino]

Hiro Hito disse che entrò in guerra dopo aver valutato la forza della Germania. Per lui il REich aveva il 100x100 della possibilità di vittoria. Dice bene il bravo Canfora fose la provvidenza ha fato si che il cattivo abbia perso e il buono, si fa per dire abbia vinto. Ma non c'era nessuna certezza e neppure speranza

[@brunogerevini8504]

Canfora è convincente, ma l'attualità è un po' trascurata

[@buonsanguenonmente7935]

I buoni chi sarebbero, quelli che hanno testato le bombe nucleari su i civili?

[@tizone9317]

Non ci sono buoni e cattivi Questa è una lezione fondamentale della storia che sembra tu abbia dimenticato

[@Adrianomarino]

mah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@rosavitiello8500]

Come sta professore?

[@IKnowNeonLights]

The head is singing and singing, the head never stops singing, the head is music and music sings. The hymn's the head sings are the truth. Orpheus head continues to sing because Orpheus is looking back, something which the maenads and death do not understand. One, cannot because after it manifests, there is no more ability to do so, look back that is. The other cannot because delirium cannot look back, forward or the present, delirium is neither alive or dead, delirium is a fungai state of being concept. In either death or the maenads not being able to look back, either cannot understand or ever know what love is, and as a consequence neither cannot understand or ever know what music is, although either has no choice but to be part of it's wave spectrum. Music knows what love is because music always looks back, even if and when looking forward, music can only do as a projection or hologram of the past. Orpheus is music, his name is the hours, his hymn's are the hours of and by music. Orpheus can look back, in fact Orpheus always looks back. Only in doing so (looking back that is) Orpheus can descent to hades and through the hours and music get to his love. Orpheus head got lost when death and the maenads did not ever get to know love, long before his head got lost, while knowing and understanding very well that which each can never do, look back that is. Orpheus got asked to do that which death and the meanads can never do, don't look back that is. Each cannot either don't or do look back, and without that ability there cannot be love. Delirium is a state triggered in complete opposition to that which it has triggered it, which is why it is a fungai state of being, meaning a state requires it's opposite at the required conditions which includes measure, in order to then proceed with and within it's opposite, in doing so delirium cannot ever look back, simply because it is a complete opposite state of such initial point. Death is the ultimate delirium state of being, a state which if and when crossed, passed over that is, looking back has no meaning, it does not exist. Hymn's are the guardians of music, because hymn's are always looking back, such power belongs to hymn's, that holograms of and by death and delirium will be part of into the future, without either part ever knowing it's existence. Simply because delirium and death are the opposite power to such power. With and within human beings, the amount of estrogen in regards to a male child during pregnancy will establish a life time pattern of uninterrupted amount of testosterone, and the amount of testosterone in regards to female child during pregnancy will establish a life time pattern of uninterrupted amount of estrogen, this including more than and lack of, which will consequentially trigger the leaning towards or away pattern. This means the female hormone makes the male pattern of and by a lifetime, and the male hormone makes the female pattern of and by lifetime, fundamentally in structure a delirium one (life time that is) which involves death as the ultimate delirium state. A simple experiment can be undertaken if and when one is strongly based with and within music, consequentially hymn's, and it is this..... Upon observing a considerable number of women which are in a delirium state, and one not being in one, will soon see clearly that most of these women are fundamentally all men, which is equally applicable upon seeing a considerable number of men which are in a state of delirium, meaning it is equally clear that all of these men are fundamentally all women. This is all based on the testosterone pattern in regards to estrogen, and the estrogen pattern in regards to testosterone. So powerful is the delirium state of such groups, that if and when one would try to say it as in the case of Orpheus, the women which are technically all men, and the men which are technically all women, would rip to piece's any Orpheus just as it happened to Orpheus, leaving only the head to continue singing, while the delirium will continue dancing in a delirious state completely oblivious to what has happened, because looking back is an impossible ability. In more explicit terms in regards to modern existence, yet often common cultural terms in regards to ancient existence, it means..... a considerable number of women which want to fuck (any) Orpheus like a man, and a considerable number of men which want to fuck (any) Orpheus like a woman, with and within a delirium state of being, one which Orpheus is not, and consequentially gets ripped to piece's, leaving his head, only his head to continue singing the eternal hymns. For as far back in a true all regards to any far back, with and within a market, any market, small or big a very crucial part of human existence occurs none stop. It simply a all involving manifestation of and by human behavior, often completely unknown, often partially, often precisely grasped. It is characterized by and of three fundamental conclusive and decisive offer's. These three are.... A correct amount and price. A more than correct amount and lower price. A less than correct amount and higher price. With and within the first fundamental, a structure of firm and stable commercial and cultural interaction is initiated, developed, maintained and simultaneously enacted. With and within the second fundamental, a structure of firm, stable, friendly, charitable and all parts included beneficial commercial and cultural interaction is initiated, developed, maintained and simultaneously enacted. With and within the third fundamental, a structure of firm stable in regards to the opposite of one's self, consequentially unjust in such regard, passive a frontal behavior, game theory, consequentially suspicious behavior, and a unwanted or unavoidable necessity cultural interaction is initiated, developed, maintained and simultaneously enacted. Each fundamental (and this is crucial) is accompanied by and of the most correct cultural communication techniques although not always necessarily concluded so, including politeness and kindness. As stipulated and argued, each are practically and logical very distinctive, yet the factual existence, known and literally proven of and by anyone alive simply based on that very fact of anyone proving so, only required to be alive, the very three supposedly logically distinctive fundamentals are most oftenly exactly the same fundamental, which means one only and not three distinctive fundamentals recognized by and of a amount or price. So fundamental is the structure of these three fundamentals I am referring to, that in fact there requires to not even be any level or degree of intentionality in order for anyone to apply or have all applicable to and by one. Either one can be taken as a market price, buying in large or small quantities, or buying at a higher or lower price giving as a consequence all the three fundamentals I am referring to as one, which is applicable to a vendor as a seller and buyer, or a consumer as a seller and buyer. For thousands of years such fundamentals have inevitably become a structure which regards to almost all day to day life interactions. One can see it in the moment where insisting upon a correct way is enacted. One can see it in the moment where something more than the normal, meaning extra is added in the offer. One can see it in the moment where a simultaneous realization of and by the method which includes a product and price is not correct, yet the transaction is nonetheless concluded. (It often fallowed by and of language sentences such as.... {Let me make it right....or.... Here take, or let add this as well.... or.... Look there is nothing I can do, the prices are up everywhere.... and so on}. So old and consequentially so repeatable are such fundamentals, that early examples of and by are known as the incorrect weight or material of coins, the incorrect weight of measure, and the incorrect use or law of law. Earlier examples are known as culture, ideology or even traditions. (((((((( Although not obvious, which it should be if not for and by such formidable powerful structures as the ones I am referring to having become a reality through repeatable existence, what I am writing about is the oldest possible fundamental still in existence, and no matter how hard it is tried to get rid of, it cannot be done, this in none other than democracy itself, the most fundamental fundamental of all in existence, and before continuing let's make the obvious obvious in the form of a question. It is historically know through surviving writings that as far back to which far back is referred to constantly, ancient writers, philosophers, state person's and more knew and consequentially wrote about it, that in Athens, Athenians made an oath to defend democracy even at the cost of death, to and by anyone to and in front of a very specific god, known as Dionysus. The question regards why Dionysus in regards to democracy, and not Zeus, Athena, Apollo, Trident, Aries and much more. Why an oath regarding democracy, it's fundamental defending of and by to a god of wine, party, dance, music, laughter, sex, theatre and magic, orgy and debauchery, illusions and hallucination, a god equally applicable to animal, man and woman....))))))) © Miri 13/November 2024

[@santaaiello9076]

Per quanto riguarda la occupazione del Donbass direi che in quel caso avrebbe dovuto intervenire l'europa per salvare i civili nel Donbass tutto questo in agenda usa grande prof ascoltare le sue parole mi danno conforto e forza

[@giovannichiaranti9775]

L' Europa avrebbe dovuto mandare truppe a fermare l' invasione dei nazisti russi, senza ombra di dubbio

[@IKnowNeonLights]

There is equally a question to that equal period regarding democracy which hovers with and within the clouds below, through or above..... Being it is a unbeatable structure, why it is lagging behind since such indeterminate periods...... and the (it is part) refers to it is and not is it. The best example in terms of democracy and oligarchy, the most complex, one which has an infinity amount of lawyers of unfolding and understandable unfoldments of and by such unfoldments, one which is and has been taken as simple at the detriment of entire people's, is in a factual existence the evidence of and by democracy itself, know as the Homeric work. The story is one of no end or beginning, it is the story of all the stories, everyone and everything has its crucial part with and within it, and everyone and everything is born and dies with and within it eternally, with the eternal part becoming an intrinsic fundamental to people as it is to god's, to life as it is to death, to places and cities as it is to earth. How one knows a oligarchical structure has taken a popular existence..... In simply observing people of no considerable secrets walk in visible or well hidden fear of and by such inconsiderable secrets, while people of considerable secrets walk in a visible or well hidden confidence of and by such secrets. The signature is in when people of no considerable secrets begin to behave and act as such meaning liberated. It is at such point where people of considerable secrets suddenly feel the confidence of and by such undermined, and it is at such point where the oligarchical confrontation towards any democracy method and way occurs. In fact it must or the considerable secrets must appear in order to be liberated from, and for and by any oligarchy such is a categorical no no. Simply because at such instances there is no possible prideable ownership to all that which is public, meaning the whole area which all people live, meaning the less of means together with the much of means are of an equal measure in regards to all that which is public, which includes the roads, the rivers, the mountains, the fields the temple's, all the public buildings and so on. In a oligarchical structure the confidence and fear is in all cases highly or simply intertwined with and within concepts of good and bad, which makes the (trust no one) sentence very logical. The story is known as the war of Troy. The parameters are the most complex and simple one's ever to exist in terms of human existence. Assume a city completely different to any or most of the cities sorrounding at a direction appears, the very difference already puts it at odds with any other similar structures. It's parameters are more towards fortification, a very high control of and by inclusions of that which is within and an equal high control of and by exclusion of that which is external. Such a structure becomes automatically a physical representation of an oligarchical structure, simply because of and by it's difference to a democracy structure, which only applies a set of parameters that have nothing to do with a fortification concept, and might stand or as publicly accepted, publicly changed. A oligarchical structure once public can devour all it is given, the more control it is forwarded, more use will make of and by such control's. In a fundamental way and method, there isn't technically much at tort with it as described, expt an abstract only applicability, meaning real existence functions as an echo system which is highly and simply interconnected and not point specific controlled. At the appearance of such a structure, a Agamemnon type structure appears equally to a Priam structure existing. From there then each piece, one referring to democracy which must correspond to one referring to a oligarchy appears one by and of one, and group by and of group, develops, it is consequentially maintained and must be enacted. As pointed to, the story has an infinite possible layers, degrees and levels of unfolding, including understandable unfoldments. Yet what makes it be the most complex one is the factual existence which shows step by and of step where and how democracy becomes an oligarchy and a oligarchy becomes a democracy, often so quickly that is is very hard to keep with. The very moment a siege is undertaken and enacted democracy switches from and by one to not one. The very moment a self imposed willful sieged city is now a externally imposed un willfully sieged one, an oligarchy switches from and by one to not being one. The very moment an Oddysseys is in it's own place that is a oligarchical structure, upon joining the Greeks, the structure becomes a democratic one. The very moment an Achilles is in it's own place that is a democracy structure, upon joining the Greeks the structure becomes an oligarchical one. The very structures mentioned being in one side are always a democracy, in regards to the other opposing side being an oligarchy. This only the beginning of and by the story, one which no god, god's, stories within it, sub stories, the middle or the most complex part the end, considering the story neither has an end or a beginning is explained. For and by the magnificency of the story a false pretence as a start, which consequentially alludes and lead's to an infinite amount of equally false pretenses and starts for and by anyone to illusionary emmers themselves with and within a completely hallucinogenic state, completely unaware of, yet simultaneously highly confident in being wide awake and sober of and by any illusions or hallucinations is used in the structure form of the most basic and equally simple representations of and by democracy and oligarchy. One is known as a Paris structure, the other is known as a Menelaus structure. One is such a basic oligarchical structure, that it would give any parameter defenition single handedly to who is the most beautiful goddess of and by eternity, no matter the period a Paris structure is there ready to give the deciding parameter. The other is such a basic oligarchical structure, that it is impossible to escape it in any popular celebrations, competitions, epopteia and so one. No matter the period a Menelaus structure is there shouting for and by it's right to compete. Throughout the story these two structures barley change form, keeping everything and everyone with and within the story (which as already pointed out is an alive story, still unfolding in all corners of the planet), and the one's (supposedly) outside observing as either Trojans or Greeks completely dazeld as to what is unfolding regarding everyone and everything. © Miri 19/November 2024

[@rosavitiello8500]

Appunto si chiama potere

[@Aenar_Targaryen]

5:22 mi ricorda qualcosa dei tempi moderni..... Sembra che parli dei nostri servi a Roma o Bruxelles che sono servi e schiavi e non fanno altro che inneggiare a quanto sono puri e belli e lindi e santi i conquistatori, che sono i loro(e nostri purtroppo, perché li disprezzo) padroni

[@IKnowNeonLights]

The irony, paradox or slight of hand (one can refer to it as one whishes) in regards to specific areas in the Mediterranean is this..... First a attribution and a congratulation in pointing out that democracy, philosophy, religion, art, mathematics, science, state building and fundamentals of architecture including still in existence specifics, among many other were originated by and of these places, to only second that in pointing out such places had slavery, oppression of women, colonies and empire building aspiration, meaning were unjust societies. The why the oath to such a specific god regarding democracy is very simple and complex simultaneously. It is simple because once in existence, there is no more why to it, and it is complex because once in existence is always a human being structure. The precise holding of it, is known as a parameter. Throughout all of modern existence even including ancient one, nothing functions or exists without a parameter. Democracy is based upon a agreed parameter it is oftenly confused as being one, which is not. With and within the areas referred to, which are simultaneously congratulated and criticized practically in regards to the exact same thing,... Known, all opened and all practiced celebrations regarding all the god's were the popular practice, meaning free and open to all, the main structure of such celebrations was Dionysus. With and within such celebrations repeatable and open to all, one could understand what dance is, what music is, what eating and drinking is, singing, laughter, delirium and out loud crying is, what sex, sports and fighting is, what private and public is, what a way and method is, what a building and temple is, what an altar and road is, what god or gods is and so..... (Some form of still continues to these days in the form of festivals, festivities, and carnivals) This meant there was absolutely no confusion as to what everyone as everyone is, and what a stranger as a stranger is, and no time was spent in debating useless parameters in such regard. Something similar yet completely and fundamentally different occurred simultaneously with and within the time periods as that of the open to all celebrations, which is known as a epopteia. It is similar because it involves celebratory rites, ways and methods, and it is completely different because it's sole functioning is that of secret and secrecy although often right in the open. One is still known as democracy, the other is completely misunderstood as oligarchy. A more appt meaning to that of oligarchy in terms of epopteia is that of disciples or devotees, simply because the tasks of overseeing all that which regards death as in the case of Persephone and all that which regards all open celebrations to a god or gods as in the case of maenads is equal to impossibility. Back to Orpheus.... Persephone and the maenads were wrong because each had absolutely no parameters allowing each to change a popular parameter through an epopteia way or method and each still remain the same. Take the example of a coin, one which is applicable to a large area as in the case of an empire. Assume the weight and the material of such a coin is changed to that which is presented at, be it drastically or very partially. Upon doing so the whole entire structure the coin operates as coins including everyone and everything is changed simultaneously, from morning to the night knowingly or not. Changing the parameter, changes everything. ® Miri 13/November 2025

[@gaddovarzi6980]

A 50:00 Canfora si scandalizza del fatto che Augusto nelle Res gestae presentava come un atto patriottico il suo arruolamento di un esercito privato dopo la morte di Cesare. Nelle Filippiche Cicerone continuamente esalta il mirabile giovane Ottaviano per aver compiuto quell'atto che qualifica come il più eroico e provvidenziale. Era quindi un luogo comune da sempre, altro che una manipolazione inventata dal vecchio Augusto.

[@matteovasta5952]

Il commento esemplificativo in napoletano: chi cummanne( comanda) fa legge!

[@pinoponzo6196]

Come dire la storia la scrivono sempre i vincitori

[@stoyanfurdzhev]

Chi sa discorrere non ha bisogno di troppe esclamazioni.

[@IKnowNeonLights]

The advantage of oligarchical structure is not the ability to attack simultaneously both democracy and any specific epopteia. The advantage is above the term powerful in regards to any simultaneous ability to attack, and it's core understanding is already explained with the examples of a coin and a linguistics logical sentence. The advantage is simultaneously it's overall aim which upon conclusion, having been successfully initiated, developed and maintained, sporadically, suddenly and constantly, will completely dethrone democracy and epopteia from and by any current and present application, leaving each only as primordial fundamentals to which it cannot do much about, yet in being that a present, any current present cannot function only in a primordial fundamental, it suffices more than enough for and by any oligarchical structure achieve in doing exactly that. The aim which is it's simultaneous advantage is not the means of resources, although it must require such in abundance, simply because such means and resources can be counteracted with means and resources of and by any democratic and epopteia structure at a much higher success. The advantage is the aim of presenting itself as a most applicable logical strand structure, one which makes more sense than a democracy or epopteia one, meaning considering human beings a (trust no one) sentence is more logical than a (trust everyone) one. Once such structure slowly and suddenly depending on any current present interactions regarding anyone and everything replaces the democracy one and a epopteia one, the perpetual state of secrecy supposedly full of secrets in terms of everything and everyone takes the form of action. Making that which is not true, true simultaneously, simply on the applicability of the (trust no one) parameter. It still remains unclear as to why this might be an advantage and successful aim, making democracy and any epopteia redundant, and the answer rest's upon the term secrecy and secret parameters. For and by the highest possible percentage of anyone and everything at all possible periods of and by existence, such parameters often refer to concepts such as, and referring to, a small hidden pot of gold, or a larger than small, small pot of gold, a trap, two or three set up or fallen in, failure's, mistakes, addictions, madness, talent, desire, weird pattern fallowing and so on, more or less a type of secrecy and secret which are full in the open upon any all involving all participating repeatable types, ways and methods of popular celebrations (meaning full democracy) More importantly types of secrets and secrecy which at minimum always have forgiveness and acceptance as a arguable argument with and within favor, under and above all possible parameters, meaning a conversation is always present and as long as there is that, so is a understanding in it's regards. Secrecy and secrets in terms of and by a full oligarchical structure, refer to concepts such as the fundamental change of the weight and the material of a coin which functions in terms of human interaction of and by an entire empire, or the fundamental change of logic, faith, music, art, mathematics, science, philosophy, the fundamental change of and by a representation and understanding of god or god's, basically the fundamental change of and by parameters regarding everyone and everything in terms of existence. Such secrecy and secrets neither have argument, arguability, conversation, understanding and consequentially forgiveness with and within each's favor, under and above all possible parameters, simply because none are undertaken of and by a democracy, meaning a all including and all participating repeatable structure. The signature is this..... In being everyone is supposedly holding and hiding all types of secrets and secrecy, it goes without saying such must be for and by the operation of the whole system, in order to be safe. Safe from and by what.... Safe from by safe perhaps.... It is true and everyone must believe in it as a true. There was a period where democracy existed, truly existed, and it did so while privacy and public existed equally powerful, so much so, that any type, method or way of and by a secrecy secret was not required to guard either at any given regard. What is the evidence such democracy existed...... Before that let us understand oligarchy and by doing so just as with and within a democracy structure not be hard on it. The best understandable example and concept appt in referring to oligarchy is epopteia, in being that epopteia is primordial, an easier primordial concept still applicable to and by anyone or everything appt in doing so is known as a siege, be such concept a self imposed one or not, meaning with and within the fundamentals of and by a siege it does not matter. It means that for any given period a parameter or combinations of are partially or completely limited in a fundamental or varied way and method. With the aim of and by the appointed period ending, the whole system regarding to have not undergone irreversible transformation, but instead simple or complex transformations. Under and above such a structure the sentence of and by (trust no one) means equally (trust everyone) by and of the consequence of the first parameter of (trust no one) or in reverse, meaning the partial or complete limitation in a fundamental or varied way and method regarding a parameter or combinations of, must unfold no matter, otherwise the siege is not a siege anymore, and simple or complex transformations cannot not be concluded. [[[[[[[ Here is a Mediterranean analogy regarding the difference between democracy and oligarchy. Democracy will put on the best it's got only to go and greet the best of it's best friends and enemies, equally. Otherwise on a day to day existence is equal and open to everyone and everything. Oligarchy will put on the best it's got and keep on, no matter the conditions, meaning it is always the same structure on a day to day existence, always partially or completely limited. The difference between is beyond day and night.]]]]]]] © Miri 19/November 2024

[@pida689]

Il racconto del mondo lo fanno i vincitori

[@IKnowNeonLights]

Give or take there is most certainly over two centuries, where the the most influential system's, meaning the the most powerful in terms of economics, politics and military systems are constantly in a apocalyptic mode, irrespective wether aware or not. This means all the possible derived cultural, philosophical and scientifically achievements have served this mode of operation since, worst have derived of and by this mode of operation. As to the how is this possible, regards to a concept known as copy right, or more precisely divinity copyright. The why and how is equally simple and complex and it regards to the fact that most people with and within such systems do not ascribe to a religious denomination. Meaning most people are either christians, muslims, buddhists or any other religious variations. In fact this apocalyptic mode it's forwarded even to science, meaning most people do not ascribe to a theory, but simply ascribe only to science. The doctrines of and by each religion are very powerful, involving almost everything, such as dates regarding events, celebration's, mourning, miracles, triumphs, the beginning of all, the end of all, sins, good and bad deeds, healing, condemnation, judgments, forgiveness, punishment, evil and devine, prayers, rituals, ceremonies, symbols, language, hymn's, worship, and curse, God, god's, spirit's, souls, heaven and hell, prophet's, resurrection, places of worship and so on. A religious denomination deal's, better to say has very often a long practice in dealing with such powerful elements of and by the doctrine. This means the space between the description and consequentially understanding of the start of the doctrine to it's end which often refers to a type of apocalypse is enormous, and if and when the denomination is a stable one, often such space is in regards to the very eternity the very doctrine ascribes to. Not ascribing to a denomination, in every increasing numbers of people, the power of the doctrine, meaning all of it's elements are often very close in the most dangerous vague terms of description and consequentially understanding (especially as mass or individual consciousness), that makes a system any system operate in a apocalyptic mode, simply because each doctrine began in such terms as a sudden initiation, development, maintaining and enactment. The religious denomination derived after is the attempt to put a practical order to and by the doctrine. Exactly the same is applicable to science. Not ascribing to a denomination means the most powerful doctrines to have been amongst the civilization are neglected, neglecting means a lack of understanding, a lack of understanding means the doctrine and consequentially it's powerful elements are taken as a sum which has two very distinctive points, it's beginning and it's end. Such mode of operating mass consciousness is known since very far back as apocalyptic. The two centuries period is chosen, because it seems around about such period, more and more people began to use the names of worshipping place as a religious denomination reference, instead of the region reference itself. That is a direct link to the apocalyptic mode, one which got incorporated even regarding science. © Miri 12/November 14:14 PM

[@pp38pp]

Il rapporto tra Roma e il mondo greco ricorda (mutatis mutandis) il rapporto tra USA e Europa occidentale.

[@justPaste.it_UrlaeGrida]

7:50: un po' come oggi, ancora contro Stalingrado. 40:38: Perché fidarsi di un'epigrafe? ♧ Infine non ha citato i deep fake e i manufatti delle intelligenze artificiali.

[@LorenzoSoldi-r1i]

è una conferenza del 2018. i manufatti delle AI e i deep fake ancora non avevano un grande risalto

[@IKnowNeonLights]

With and within a democracy as a fundamental and as a present applicable the existence of and by everyone or everything, and the everything is the concluding component part of and by everyone and everything part, the fundamental beneficiality concept proceeds always any regards on the terms of good and bad concepts, simply because having been weight without any exclusion, everyone and everything is also weight, and in only being so the form of operational civilization known and still functioning as an acting present at its core and highly inescapable particulars simultaneously came to be, and survives. With and within a oligarchical structure there is a word concept known best in french as a (melange) which explains better its practical mode of operation. A oligarchical structure always must require the good and bad concepts to proceed that of beneficiality concept in regards (and this in regards is very crucial) everyone and everything excluding the oligarchy itself. Simply because it must require to control the parameters of concepts such as good and bad, in order to have always in any leaning favor towards it self as a structure and parameters of and by good or bad. Which means at it's core operational mode that of secrecy secret the beneficiality concept is in fact proceeding and good and bad concepts, with the first concept regarding itself and the second concept regarding everyone, which in the open is presented in reverse. A present which forces anyone or anything to reverse an all open based on trust regarding everyone or everything to a matching (supposedly) secrecy secret limited and excluding as much of and by possible trust regarding everyone and everything. The evidence regarding a period where democracy truly existed is none other than the collective works known as Homeric. First such works are so based in a democracy structure, that a direct personal invention referring to any possible author is truly impossible, meaning the works are in fact popular in acting and operating and open to all, which also means that anyone such as in the case of Homer only required to record with and within a culturally applicable form any, or all of. More to it, it's popular inescapable structure is applicable at overlapping period or highly disconnected in terms of interaction cultures. These democracy trace's and evidence are the core fundamental of what was latter to be known as philosophy among many other. To this very present, take anyone in regards to everything, with absolutely no knowledge of and by any philosophical strands, yet with any level or degrees of popular written, spoken and sung stories, and proceed in having a conversation, any conversation regarding living life, death, sky's, seas, mountains, people, god, god's and the very existence, and such person will begin conversing using philosophical theories and concepts completely unknown to them. Without such democracy structures, such a concept as philosophy would have sized to exist long long ago. Democracy is the very structure of life including existence, oligarchy is a virus, very specific very precise one which is the damnation of entire civilizations once it has taken a popular existence. Having taken such a step, having it matched popularily with everyone and everything which is popular, maintaining and constantly enacting its original primordial initiations and developments, democracy through a popular author like Homer, made sure it can never be fundamentally beaten. If not, the allegorical platonic cave story would have become completely and categorically true, because such technique is used to show in a more abstract and complex way and method the difference between democracy and oligarchy, whereas with and within a epopteia method and way such plausible set of actions (such as the cave allegory use by and of Plato) are known and often practiced as physical or mental trainings, which upon conclusion various levels and degrees of secrecy and secrets are revealed or become available to do so at minimum. © Miri 19/November

[@enzonavona9018]

Figo la pettinatura da intellettuale 🥴

[@michelebettini5870]

che pena leggere i vostri comenti!

[@michelebettini5870]

Errata corrige: Che pena leggere i vostri demenziali commenti!

[@Rodja011]

Ma non parlare di Ucraina e di Zelenski, caro amico. Meglio la Grecia antica o l'antica Roma..

[@Coky-ci3ji]

Video di due anni fa, se si ascolta con attenzione si trovano tutti i parallelismi con le vicende attuali, a questo serve conoscere la storia, per conoscere i segnali del presente

[@ClaudioBenassi]

L’unica verità profonda che ci e’ stata data e’ Gesù Cristo.

[@massimopadalino2352]

stai messo male :D

[@ClaudioBenassi]

@@massimopadalino2352 eh si che ridere Dio, Dio a voi fa molto ridere.

[@divavitali3657]

@@ClaudioBenassi Si' , qualcuno ride, più per il tono perentorio del tuo intervento che altro. Certamente il prof. Canfora può citare qualche fonte storica della presenza di Gesù nella storia. Ma la fede e' un' altra cosa.. Tranquilli: come ebbe a dire Moni Ovadia ai funerali di Umberto Eco, " Dio sopporta i credenti ma ama gli atei" .Mi permetto di aggiungere : se i credenti sono farisei.

[@ClaudioBenassi]

@@divavitali3657 Diva lei e’ una donna molto sicura di se.

[@raolwittenberg1855]

Grande Canfora monumento della ricerca storica

[@mariocaruselli]

Ho sempre votato a sinistra ma l'unica cosa che posso constatare, dopo 40 anni di insegnamento di Filosofia, è che quando gli studiosi o gli artisti si mettono a servizio della politica fanno una delle cose più orribili che un essere umano possa fare e mostrano la sua patetica immaturità. Prof Mario Caruselli

[@gianlucaantonelli3524]

Lei professore primo o poi capirà di nn votare piu

[@mariocaruselli]

@@gianlucaantonelli3524 Non capisco bene, potrebbe spiegare meglio?

[@gianlucaantonelli3524]

@@mariocaruselli votare ormai sostiene un sistema che diverrà a breve antidemocratico.. totalmente

[@gianlucaantonelli3524]

La gente ride

[@Benelux-d3n]

I ragionamenti di Canfora possono essere applicati a tutto..esempio: Il cioccolato deriva dal cacao, il cacao si ottiene dalle piante, ergo il cioccolato è verdura

[@giovannicomana3592]

non capisco perche la storia finisce con la fine del nazismo. Tutti i filosofi e storici si fermano li

[@andreafilippo3981]

perchè la gente poi si sveglia

[@Michele-hb9mh]

Perché è comodo. Dato che sono quasi tutti di sinistra devono fare i conti con se stessi.

[@MassimoFinazzi]

La noia vera

[@umbertopappalardo843]

La cultura classica oggi serve a fare le parole crociate

[@Michele-hb9mh]

Ignorante

[@tizone9317]

Forse serve a te per quello e il ridicolo commento che hai scritto ne è la prova

[@antonioandreozzi5535]

Pezzente

[@andreafilippo3981]

non è uno specchio

[@sandrocanali6359]

Hanno l Acqua ma non la bevono ,per questo Puzza,il fiato

[@majlindagebhardt5335]

E gli Illiri dov’erano in questo periodo, ci può dire??? 🧐 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyricum_sacrum

[@cesaresurdo3089]

Ma questo dove viveva, in un centro disabili, o nella tomba con, Dracula.

[@gianpietrobaldi4240]

Chi e sto coso

[@antoniacammilleri35]

Ei naftallina cosa non si fa per vendere i libri 📚 📚 io non lo vorrei nemmeno gratis.

[@ZINCO33]

Molto interessante, grazie professore