WBTB Method for Lucid Dreaming (Wake Back to Bed Technique - The Complete & Easy Tutorial)

[@DanielLoveOrg]

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[@jimvanhall217]

Thanks🎉

[@fizzypizzel6477]

Thanks! ^-^

[@universalchannel2409]

Thanks

[@elleh9586]

This is my experience (how i succeeded): I tried wbtb + ssild for 5 days in a row. (never with alarms, always with natural or autoinduced awakenings) •first day: woke up at 4 am, stayed up for 15 minutes, then do ssild. I had a dream in which I woke up from my bed, but didn't do any reality check so the dream continued normally until I really woke up and realized I was dreaming. •second day: woke up at 6 am, stayed up for 15 minutes, then ssild. Just normal dreams, maybe more vivid than usual. •third day: woke up at 5 am, same technique same results. •fourth day: same. •fifth day, the day of my FIRST LUCID DREAM: woke up at 5 am, did the ssild cycles, then I completely lost all of my sleep. Couldn't go back to sleep in any way. I continued desperately turning around in my bed for 2 hours. It was a torture, I told myself "that's the last time I try wbtb, this is ruining my sleep cycle." Then, at 7 am I relaxed somehow and fell asleep instantly, and it felt like I was entering a REM stage directly. While many thoughts, images and scenarios were going rapidly in & out my mind, I kept telling myself "Do a reality check, do a reality check...". I woke up, and even if I was sure I wasn't dreaming, a watched my hands. I had something like ten fingers par hand. And that was it, I instantly stabilized my dream and woke up at 9 am in real life, with a story to tell. Hope this can help someone!

[@monikagornik5256]

Thanks it helps a lot

[@kellyshea92]

Ive been trying this for a couple of days. No lucid dreams yet but my dreams are getting more vivid and memory recall has gotten better.

[@jimvanhall217]

Thank you!!

[@DanielLoveOrg]

Thank you so much Jim! You're brilliant!

[@matousrehak5556]

Great video again. I can confirm the mornin nap thing. I got majority of my lucid dreams this way. Never felt like purposely interrupting my sleep at night.

[@1MrNay]

Ditto

[@fizzypizzel6477]

I was hoping you would make a WBTB tutorial because I've been messing up my sleep, this vid is great timing for me as always!

[@DanielLoveOrg]

Thank you so much Fizzy, I really appreciate your support! I'm so glad this came at the right time for you

[@mikkareads]

I used to do such complicated calculations to figure out when to go to bed, when to set the alarm, how long to stay awake, how active to be before returning to bed etc. A lot of that was based on trying to figure out when I was likely to be in REM. 😅 It rarely worked!

[@MALLEN22DRUM]

Thanks

[@DanielLoveOrg]

Thank you so much Alpha, you really do make this channel possible! Stay Lucid!

[@niekas8]

Great explanation! I have been using WBTB method without another method. For those who read: stay lucid!

[@PaulChin20]

Same here. WBTB is the most consistently reliable method for me. I do it on alternate nights. I wake up naturally after 4 or 5 hours. Stay up for about 1 hour. Then, after going back to bed I enter the hypnagogic state. Next, I would sit up from the bed and walk away from the physical body, fully lucid 😊

[@SaffrinianOfficial]

Also, happy 42k, looks like we’ve solved the universe’s mysteries with that amount of subs!

[@DanielLoveOrg]

Thank you Saffrinian, yes! Life the universe and everything!

[@digirogue6820]

My understanding was that the studies showed wbtb(when combined with mild) resulted in a higher amount of lucid dreams per month than mild alone. I only do it on the weekends but it's pretty much a guaranteed success for me. Everyone's different but for me it works extremely well. Hopefully I progress to the point where I can leave wbtb behind

[@DanielLoveOrg]

I think you misunderstood the results there (but that's understandable as the study is poorly written), when MILD was removed from the equation and replaced with a neutral activity, WBTB (more commonly called getting up) alone was ineffective. So essentially the other way around. A period of wakefulness is already built into the original MILD technique so using the term WBTB in the study was actually entirely redundant terminology, as MILD itself is impossible to perform unless one wakes up. So the true results of the very small study (under 20 participants per group) is that MILD is most effective when the second step of MILD is extended to 60 minutes. It's a poorly written study unfortunately, as calling the conditions MILD+WBTB is like saying "smiling when combined with grinning". Step 2 of the MILD technique is waking up, as it's impossible to perform without it, it's sloppy for any study to ignore that. It would have been more sensible and accurate for the researcher's to say "extending the wakefulness step of MILD to 60 minutes was found to be the most effective variety of MILD". It was really just a study into the time frames of MILD. In fact, any study that uses the terms WBTB and MILD in combination, is showing an inherent misunderstanding for MILD itself. It simply cannot be performed without a period of wakefulness, the only question is how long, as it's baked into the steps of the technique. (See the following under "conditions" and "control conditions" www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7332853/ ) Equally, follow up studies were unable to replicate the results of this one study, and actually further undermined any efficacy for WBTB and reinforced MILD use in morning naps (the nap being stage 2 extended to 60 minutes performed after essentially a full night's sleep). I may have misunderstood your specific routine, but it sounds like what you're finding effective is just MILD.

[@xDarkRegionx]

I remember watching this video before sleeping. And then I randomly wake up.Whenever I sleep while watching YT, I feel im sleepy but I had no signs here. I also completely forgot i was watching this, i woke up and checked yt to find out i dont remember falling asleep basically..?

[@StumpedSlicken]

I've never fully trusted WBTB as a technique/method/thing as the idea of waking up in the middle of the night (often unnaturally based on other teachings of it) often made me uneasy. I often get anxious and have a harder time with sleep if I set alarms because I'm so worried with timing, thus, unnatural awakenings would probably cause less of a chance for lucids than if I just went on with my normal sleep patterns. That also probably doesn't help with health concerns! I often have natural awakenings in the night and often I'm not able to take advantage of them as staying awake often causes me frustration with falling asleep (a bit of hummingbird behavior!). I think that even if I did attempt WBTB, it wouldn't have been effective at all! Coupled with the studies, it may of just caused more negatives than benefits! Thanks for the great video today! I don't have much to say but I do appreciate the restating about how WBTB can be negative and harmful. It's nice to hear this outside of livestreams!

[@TheHouseeeee]

I believe I realized i was dreaming earlier this morning, but I lost that realization and continued with the dream. At least the dreams that came subsequently were good i guess.

[@Ender-to7lh]

Dr Love is out with a another amazing video LETS GO!

[@FireboltJB]

I did WBTB for the first time yesterday and I got a super realistic dream from it. I only stayed up for 30min.

[@Hallko]

I had so many lucid dreams "accidentally" because of this

[@monikagornik5256]

I made a new tehnique with it I went to sleep as usuall then when I woke up from sleep ( doesnt matter when) I started staring to the wall and then after 10 min I layed down in a comfortable possition and didnt move for 10 min then I went to sleep as usuall I then had a very vivid dream and it lasted long and when I woke up Ibtried it again the same night and it worked I think that with reality checks and journaling this will soon become a lucid dreaming tehnique

[@iwannapayback]

Greetings, Daniel! Keep up the good work. Hope to see you on tonight´s stream.

[@DanielLoveOrg]

Thank you Iwannapayback. I hugely appreciate your support!

[@iwannapayback]

@@DanielLoveOrg No problem,BTW I'd like to ask about LOVE method, which is also a kind of WBTB - this method works with a shorter wakefulness window (10 minutes I guess?) and also targets the first period of REM sleep... Could you maybe comment on the specifics of this method? The LDs I had in this first REM phase were almost unshakable in terms of stability, and also the sensoric quality was terrific. The only problem might be the recall...

[@StumpedSlicken]

Leaving a comment to boost as I can't watch right now but want to do my part to boost the video!

[@Albie_yt]

I tried this and i couldnt go back to sleep :/

[@PaulChin20]

You need to stop thinking - just relax and let all thoughts go in order to fall back to sleep.

[@finndanielsun525]

@@leonidasneves7972 were you using something like a phone?

[@Eitangaming2.0]

Same. But then i had my first lucid dream.

[@NotNonaSoft]

Just don’t use your phone

[@Idkbro222]

@@NotNonaSoft That’s why I didn’t fell asleep last night.

[@NathanBlackberry]

Thank you 😊😊😊

[@SkelitonWren]

I have come back to lucid dreaming after a long break due to sleep anxiety although before i never used techniques and just did reality checks. It would be nice to find a technique to get me to have at least my first couple lucid dreams as quick as possible so i can get back to it :)

[@Tf34233]

I get it but i came specificalky so will use wbtb with purpose.

[@SaffrinianOfficial]

Where be the ?

[@kikorangi8]

WHERE BE THE BREAKFAST - Saffrinian 1

[@robertsterler7091]

good explanation - talk to you soon.

[@kikorangi8]

I have just finished suffering through a very twaddley advert... and here comes another one. Norris, is this your doing?

[@mitchellplays1440]

I would suggest people who try this technique wait 6 days before doing it again I also like to do it wake back to bed with the sleep Walker technique

[@INTERSTELL4REQ]

Such amazing video! I've started my LD journey around February, where I ended up Lucid dreaming within 4 days of looking into it, although I just cant seem to get back into it. My mind loves to wonder before I go to bed, and I just cant seem to keep my mind on one though before bed. Do you have any tips for this? Love your content!

[@kikorangi8]

All right, this second advert is 45 minutes long. I’m sorry, I’m not suffering through three quarters of an hour of

[@Aeowyn23]

Hahaha I'll see your 45 mins as I have an ad just started and it's 1.58.45 😮 but it's after the video and I am about to go do something so I'll just leave it playing 😊

[@Hasty332]

WBTB might hurt my sleep schedule but it can’t be that bad if mine is already horrible

[@MALLEN22DRUM]

Very strange but if I wake up let's say 7am (after a full night sleep), stay awake till midday then have a nap, I either have a mad dream or lucid dream.

[@Dan_Guitar_Music]

I have a question about the sleep cycle. When I wake up at night, does the sleep cycle continue while I’m awake??? (This is just an example to understand.) Lets pretend I’m waking up at the end of a REM sleep and I know the next REM will be in 90 minutes. If I stay up 80min and go back to bed, hoping to do a WILD, did the dream cycle continued while I was awake??

[@simplicityd8703]

I tried this but then realized that my morning alarm goes ofc before the wbtb one would! (Sleep length wise)

[@XAudacityX]

Only time I've lucid dreamed was when I was like 10 years old, maybe I was 9 idk..but I naturally had the ability to do it when younger and slowly forgot how to do it 😅

[@Kirai6969]

Done it, used wild technique, worked but now scared to go sleep again 💀

[@mylifefornick]

I used to nap after waking up for work, and would have such vivid dreams about work...lol

[@kikorangi8]

These days, I only try for a lucid dream after waking up naturally. Artificial sleep interruption didn’t work well with my insomnia.

[@coldfrost6088]

When you wake up can you go on your phone, drink, puzzles/word search, piano, draw/colouring? Please let me know what i should and shouldn't do with my time. Thank you😌

[@DanielLoveOrg]

There's no hard evidence one way or the other, but logic would suggest avoiding caffeine, too much light, or excessive exercise, and instead indulging in anything that improves mental function.

[@ZzzZzz-tq9le]

so the body will adapt to the new sleep cycle if a person do WBTB too much. I'm interested about how our body adapt to the new sleep cycle, and how our sleep cycle will be at the middle of two sleep cycles?

[@julianmrgl9568]

I feel like this is only ever successful because of placebo effect. Because you expect results you are more likely to actually see results

[@galacticat7144]

0:54 start

[@Albie_yt]

What do i do when im awake for the half an hour to an hour?Do I just let my mind drift and think about random stuff?

[@TheHouseeeee]

Probably just read a book

[@applejuice250]

is it alright if i study during that period

[@Albie_yt]

@@applejuice250 I think so

[@applejuice250]

@@Albie_yt aightt thx man:)

[@arvidgrobbe]

Thanks for the turtorial :) I had a question can you only do techniques as MILD during WBTB or morning nap?

[@DanielLoveOrg]

Or natural awakenings. But yes, a lot of techniques require you to be awake before going back to sleep. If you don't want to do that, then focusing on regained awareness dreams is the best approach.

[@arvidgrobbe]

@@DanielLoveOrg okay thanks 🙃

[@odies1828]

What did you know about elevated awareness lucid dream? You haven't made a video about that i think

[@DanielLoveOrg]

It sounds like some kind of reddit/discord/forum slang term - it's not an official lucid dreaming concept, so you might have to explain what it stands for - as I don't tend to spend time in such spaces, as they are generally a bit of a wasteland. Lucid dreaming can't technically be "elevated" because it requires peak mental functioning to be a lucid dream in the first place. So unless people are classifying non-lucid or semi-lucid dreams as lucid dreams, and then mistakenly thinking that real lucid dreams are "elevated", I'm not sure what that particular phrase is referring to.

[@bernadette0604]

When I do it, I don’t even dream normally

[@user-lcwbwye]

Hey awesome video, I was wondering, once you begin to get lucid dreams consistently, do you need to continue using the technique in order for the dreams to continue?

[@DanielLoveOrg]

It's not really techniques that get you lucid, but more about lifestyle changes, and changes in how you think - and those do need to remain in place. Think of lucid dreaming like learning an instrument - there are certain things you must do (such a tune your guitar, or practice regularly) in order to be able to play well.

[@dycat5318]

A lot of people say that doing techniques like WILD is basically pointless without WBTB. What is your experience with this?

[@DanielLoveOrg]

Just to be clear WILD isn't a technique, it's one of the two types of lucid dream (it just refers to how the lucid dream starts). There is a huge amount of misunderstanding out there, I'd recommend relying less on what you here on forums/discords and rely more on the books on the subject, as then you get the information directly from the people researching the subject.

[@dycat5318]

@@DanielLoveOrg Haha, most of the video's I have watched made by you have had you debunking some common misconceptions among the community. What are some books you would reccomend to get started?

[@DanielLoveOrg]

@@dycat5318 I've written an article on that, you can find it here.... www.thelucidguide.com/post/the-top-10-best-books-on-lucid-dreaming

[@cleols5433]

Note to myself: I should muster all my discipline to try the MILD technique sometime in the second half of night, as I wake for a bathroom visit

[@ryzikx]

So my cat wakes me up every night and my sleep interruption has become a schedule now… Now what? I try WILD a lot in that time

[@jerryg9924]

This makes me sleepy

[@TenNineD]

Classic

[@robercik101]

I heard that WBTB was invented by S. LaBerge, this is something he called dream compression

[@DanielLoveOrg]

Do you have a source for that claim? Because nothing I've seen suggests that at all (and there's not a single reference to "dream compression" online nor in his books as far as I can see). Having watched the "technique" be birthed, in real time, back in the early 2000s, It was clear that it was "invented" by Marc Vandekeere, and certainly given the name and it's current form by him. He was a new age astral projection e-book seller and prolific forum spammer. The nearest thing that can assigned to LaBerge was his research morning naps, which is what it appears Vandekeere vastly extrapolated upon, in a very hyped and improbable fashion. From there on, as far as it seems, people have regurgitated the concept with nobody stopping to check the source - and simply assuming it has some validity. But if you have a credible source occurring before Marc Vandekeere's posts, I'd be very interested to see it. Either way, I think it's pretty clear that nobody "invented" getting up in the night, it's pretty self evident and calling it a technique is like calling lying down a technique 🤣 People have been doing it without calling it WBTB since the dawn of humanity. Often called "needing the toilet", or "disturbed sleep". It is rather hilarious that the community grasp at acronyms for the most painfully basic concepts. It's as if lucid dreaming isn't wonderful enough already.

[@robercik101]

@@DanielLoveOrg Thanks for the answer! :) Maybe invented is a bad word sorry for that :) Article and chapter in the book Exploring the world of lucid dreaming, maybe not dream compression this is how one of my friend from certain community call that, in chapter Preparation for Learning Lucid Dreaming in subchapter How to schedule your efforts for best results" LaBerge describes something what can be described as first WBTB mention (Scheduling Time For Lucid Dreaming) Set alarm, Get out of bed, Focus on intention, Return to bed) but he doesn't called it WBTB

[@DanielLoveOrg]

No worries. Oh that! - I think that's far too much of a leap to conflate with WBTB. It's a variation on the morning nap process from his research, and VERY different from what people call WBTB. It asks people to wake 2-3 hours early, and then stay awake for 2-3 hours before napping. You'll find it entirely impossible to find a single WBTB tutorial recommending 2-3 hours of wakefulness. LaBerge's concept is far more sound and evidence based, and doesn't have the audacity to call itself a technique, and instead just refers to itself as an exercise in sleep scheduling. If only everyone else did the same! It's a vaguely related principle, but I think it's a rather massive leap to call it the origin on WBTB - otherwise we could call the sleep pattern of the day "wake up - live the day - go to bed" WBTB too! (or literally any process where waking up and at some point returning to sleep is involved). Although, it's certainly possible that Vandekeere read this and based his half-baked WBTB concept on it. But, as I often say - words matter. We cannot conflate a dozen vaguely related concepts under one term. That makes the purpose of terminology and language collapse.

[@robercik101]

@@DanielLoveOrg Maybe it could be the skeleton used by Vandeekere to "create" WBTB, based on REM rebound (but idk if this is connected to this) to prolong REM phase

[@DanielLoveOrg]

Perhaps. But at the time, when WBTB was first being spammed all over the forums. It was pretty clear that Vandeekere was on a bit of a mission to make it go viral, in order for a little self promotion for his ebook. He made all sorts of clearly impossible claims. I believe he even claimed something like 20 lucid dreams in one night! (amazing with our 5 REM periods right?!) It's kind of tragic that the promotion campaign left us all using a term that is both unnecessary, and also rewards what was historically someone being a bit of a spammy self-promoter in the community. Which is one of the reasons why I won't use the term seriously.

[@robercik101]

It's not healthy to use this every day but could be helpful ;)

[@FabiansPiano]

This method is a nightmare for me! It does not really work (for me) and it is super exhausting.

[@MarinS1319]

Does lucid dreaming affect testosterone?

[@DanielLoveOrg]

There's no reason it should do.

[@Trollge623]

I’m scared Beacuse of the sleep paralysis

[@Sticknodefights]

Dont be scared, when you have it you have a high chance to lucid dream after! (:

[@JohnHernande-sv4ft]

Honestly need to get the point faster in your videos. I stopped watching after a few videos cuz it’s too much fluff even though I like what you’re trying to do

[@satansjihad6353]

It works well, but I might not be able to fall asleep again and spend the rest of the night with imnsonia.

[@Coolwhip432]

Thanks you for your amazing content amazing Daniel your VR dream control video has helped me get better at controlling my lucid dreams 🦥 👽

[@DanielLoveOrg]

Thank you so much CoolWhip!, your support is really lovely and massively appreciated! The VR content was a lot of fun to make (BTW there's a bunch more in the member area!)

[@birdvoor8985]

@@DanielLoveOrgi have a question so when u wake Up After a 4 hours sleep can u go on ur phone for 30minutes/ 1 hour?

[@Streambys]

@@birdvoor8985 no