Lucy Letby: 'Others in the NHS 'have blood on their hands' | Norman Brennan

[@janetbullas8821]

The Senior management and Medical Director should be sacked with no pension. Why are they given power over properly trained medical doctors . They should be brought to trial for gross negligence and have their pensions confiscated .

[@jujutrini8412]

In Britain if you are in a six figure job and are responsible for criminal negligence you will not be held accountable. That’s the kind of society we live in. The more you earn for having a highly responsible job the less likely you will be held responsible for people dying on your watch.

[@petelovesbevsills]

complicity springs to mind too. Remove all managers right away and replace them with the good old-fashioned Matrons who knew every corner, every member of staff and every patient and their illnesses.

[@schofield4836]

Psychopath supported by a management team with similar narcissistic and psychopathic personalities in the name of protecting their own reputations. “Chance after chance after chance to stop these murders ignored by nhs business image monsters ”

[@catherinelowe7000]

Management structures, as in The C Of Ch hospital ARE medical and nursing professionals. This is the norm.

[@Unicorn-zb1mu]

I joined the NHS in 1989. Anyone doing anything wrong or allegations , they got suspended on pay while an investigation was carried out . What happened to that! The managers should be dealt with in a court of law. They ignored, neglected and failed to do their job !

[@philipdurling1964]

Will the police continue their investigations and arrest hospital managers for being accessories to murder?

[@Al........]

If a Doctor had reason to compain or have a concern she should have been off the ward immediately, yes the management are as guilty as the murderer.

[@kimmac231]

Managers don't care about the patients or the nurses,it's ticking the right boxes

[@BritBelle89]

It’s true. Hospitals r still corporations. Corporations care about numbers and profit. Pts and their employees r numbers not people.

[@bestoutdoors6657]

Yes your spot on

[@chynnadoll3277]

Yep, absolutely!

[@christinesambrook2194]

This non believing staff goes on in elderly peoples homes too. Someone has to start hearing what people are saying. Instead of sitting behind desks and making decisions get on the floor and open your eyes!!!!!!

[@daisybuttercup6801]

These “ lessons to learn “ are never ending.

[@Nickle314]

Cover up better next time

[@michaelwakeford2336]

Yes, it’s always, “Lessons will be learned, (woff, woff, woff,)” etc. That is what they say every single time they get caught red handed after having conveniently chosen to ignore all the warnings, even when the rest is that they have a serial killer amongst them. The next time they get caught it’ll be the same four meaningless words uttered on mic with the same expectation that if the words, “Lessons will be learned,” that nothing will ever need to be said about it again and the parents of the murdered children wil be really thrilled because their murdered child cause more lessons to be learned. I’m 72 years old and for over 50 years I have consistently heard about these game changing lessons that are going to be learned, on Fantasy Island, I presume. Speaking of presumptions, are we to presume that this incident was limited in its consequences because the National Stealth Service had leaned so many wonderful lessons following the Beverley Allit case, decades ago? Believe me, there are plenty of evil murdering maniacs in the NHS. The worst serial killer in UK history was a UK doctor, Harold Shipman, for a start. I therefore suggest that lessons will never be learned in the NHS and I have just presented that evidence I this very paragraph. I rest my case. My advice to the public is take an armed guard with you whenever you visit a NHS hospital in the UK because the chances are that there may well be a serial killer doctor or nurse attending to you. It ain’t going to get any better because lessons will never be learned. That’s just another fob-off statement that they use every single time they get caught. Part of why we constantly find this happening in the medical profession is firstly, because most medical practitioners are dehumanised deliberately from the moment they start their training, and secondly because they tend to develop a God complex within a very short time once they’re qualified. It was nurses and doctors who started the Nazi genocide by murdering babies, in 1938. There’s plenty of film of them actually doing it and guess what, they were smiling and singing lullabies to them whilst they were poisoning them. Coincidental? My arse, was it!!! Denial is absurd. Within the medical profession murder is endemic and they normally get clean away with it due to collaboration and protection by closing ranks with each other. I used to work in that, “Profession,” so I ought to know what they’re like and believe me, they hide behind a smokescreen of probity and decency, just like the priests do in the churches.

[@Moonstone115]

I'm disappointed they didn't learn from Alitt 😢

[@doffchitty1875]

I’m sickened by qualified grossly overpaid management still have cop out lessons to be learnt

[@Nickle314]

@@michaelwakeford2336 dr Jane Barton google her and the cover up

[@Missmambo12]

The board at the time should be named and shamed. It is not ok for these people to live a happy retirement on public sector pensions.

[@ThirzaLynetteClarke-ku9dq]

NHS staff should be dismissed from the profession and charged. Hospital must be shut down immediately.

[@markspark1864]

When are the hospital managers going to be arrested for being complicit in her crimes.

[@lindsaysmith7825]

NHS not fit for purpose. Get rid of management

[@michellemcgarr1709]

Charge sheets are needed for anyone who ignored the Doctors fears who told the trust management about this killer and they failed to stop the crimes . They need to face the consequences and they do have blood on their hands.

[@myrescuecats3028]

They should all be bought ti justice.

[@shaungilmartin1505]

they never seem to "learn lessons"

[@michellemcgarr1709]

Nothing will be learned except for the management teams on how to pass blame on their failure to act on what they was told from 4 different doctors about this sick individual and they did nothing whatsoever except make them apologise 😢. I’m so angry for the poor parents who put the trust in this hospital.

[@lozzy2587]

We are far too soft here in Britain 🇬🇧

[@denisepickering2119]

Both consultants got in touch with the police thank god amazing people

[@danielrayner7681]

They will get away with it, these sort of people always do

[@ERiCDrAyViN]

Too bad stopping, preventing and not covering up child killers doesn't fit into the NHS "Diversity, Equity and Inclusion" training courses.

[@robshirewood5060]

Most complaints about nhs staff involve foreign diverse staff

[@chynnadoll3277]

@@robshirewood5060: Really? Doesn’t seem that way in modern Britain.

[@robshirewood5060]

@@chynnadoll3277 Yes it is true most cases involve foreign staff. This Letby case is exceptional.

[@carrietaylor6658]

Nhs is guilty

[@Kkh471]

The NHS is too busy looking after its rainbow community than actually paying attention to their fundamental purpose.

[@TDKiller415]

Same could be said about almost all British and American companies these days. "MeToo" went to "BelieveAllWomen" to "Include Everyone" to "Protect the Trans Mafia"

[@Maryanne-tt8jn]

NHS doctors and nurses majority do live up to their sworn oath do no harm But there is evil amongst them, not necessarily killing patients but they are cruel to patients deliberately

[@hanielnasheed7189]

Put everyone involved in a room and set the parents of the babies on them!

[@janetmullender282]

These executives are happy to take huge salaries but the story is always the same when decisive action needs to be taken….they do anything to avoid confronting the problem then make feeble excuses when their total incompetence is uncovered. The NHS can afford to pay these timeservers massive salaries but the doctors who take all the flak? Nah, no spare cash.

[@Mike-nv6zn]

Wait till the jabbed find out what's been done to them...

[@chkldstgee2433]

You realise that's well over 90% of the country, don't you?

[@Polecat54941]

@@chkldstgee2433 Its called natural selection.

[@chkldstgee2433]

@@Polecat54941 Natural selection would be dying from a virus that could have easily been avoided with a simple vaccination.

[@Mike-nv6zn]

@@chkldstgee2433 I do..but they are a bit slow on the uptake..they are dropping in my small town and still haven't a clue..19 I know so far..

[@chkldstgee2433]

@@Mike-nv6zn 19 people dying in a small town over a couple of years is nothing unusual.

[@alexedwards6509]

This is Britain. The people responsible can never be held accountable. The rule on inquiries is always the same. If there is ever to be an inquiry, enough time has to have passed in order that the guilty avoid consequence And that's why we constantly hear "Lessons will be learned" Even though lessons shouldn't have needed to be learned

[@spazzymacgee5648]

As seen in the government.

[@denise4487]

Thats exactly how it is but if she had caused alarm or distress with words she wouldve been sacked and sent to prison

[@NOAH17841]

Nhs are fully to blame since medical staff have concerns making allegations , since there own Jobs are then at risk. They should be able to go the police without negative impact on there jobs. NHS simply wanted to void liability, reputation.

[@Nickle314]

Research dr Jane barton

[@Nickle314]

@@louminarty explain shipman and dr Jane barton

[@Nickle314]

@@louminarty shipman. Convicted of 15. Unofficial total 215 Barton post shipman killed 615 in the same way

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

No they aren’t

[@Nickle314]

@@louminarty barton killed 615 in the same way as shipman post his conviction What lessons were learned? What did they do to prevent a second never happen?

[@dean6816]

Just like police, not fit for purpose!

[@andyw8984]

Sounds like the families need to pursue civil actions against the hospital.

[@WhoTube277]

Lessons to learn? How about some more charges?

[@Mary-ahern]

Absolutely disgusting & terrifying . I can only imagine what these poor families are going through. It infuriates me that she could of been stopped those responsible should also be arrested.

[@alannarutter5033]

So the managers rather have a serial killer on their wards, than be short of staff? Can the families sue the hospital for letting this happen? 😠

[@alanssnack1192]

she injected babies with air, omfg that is sick asf. she needs air injection now.

[@Sam-gw5pl]

Air, insulin and milk

[@samanthabarry5817]

How could this be allowed to happen again after Beverley ellot

[@lynnebarkas6906]

They are complicit with their negligence and should be investigated. Are they still in their jobs?

[@andrewoliver8930]

The idiots in charge ignored the many experts that warned them. Pretty standard in the UK.

[@TDKiller415]

The French got it right during the first world war: lions led by donkeys

[@SparkyJohn111]

The NHS is failing abysmally, too many managers out of their depth. Bring back the modern matron role and sack all these useless middle management fools.

[@brainstormingsharing1309]

🔴 Absolutely and without a single shadow of doubt!!!

[@marcp3788]

Hardly any news coverage about all this over the last couple of years

[@cujoway]

gag order

[@lone8869]

Depends where you live. Plenty of coverage in the North West area.

[@lynnebarkas6906]

Managers at this hospital are incompetent. Suspend without pay. Final decision on their future after inquiry.

[@Polecat54941]

Clap for the NHS people

[@dave3130]

The whole NHS and social care system is a joke, nothing new .

[@heleneccles4883]

Unbelievable 😭

[@srodgars1560]

"Lesson to learn" are a joke. The same situation with Tavistock. The charities like Mermaid were allowed to interfere with pediatricians in diagnosis in children.

[@Ann-qf5vk]

I'm fed up with so called experts.

[@MsJustice4ever]

There are no words 😢

[@kaysmith-TheTruthSpeaker]

Lessons to learn are simply words. Lessons to learn appears to mean carry on regardless on multiple occasions.

[@greni7472]

The class system at work again. Working class managers would be jailed for this.

[@lashlarue7924]

It's about time the NHS learned a lesson from this. In the corporate world private sector this would NEVER fly. In America Penn State University went through absolute hell for MUCH less than what the psychopath Lucy Letby did at NHS!!

[@anthonystorey2953]

If a grandchild should come along i will put a health care professional into the hospital to oversee every aspect of the "care" the the mother and child receive while they are there , at my expense of course , to hopefully make sure the well-being of my family is upheld! Its seems the only way to go , i don't want to here the old mantra , we will learn lessons from this ! I whis i had a pound for every time i have heard it !

[@edgarprint6959]

A good reason to go private

[@marypartridge5154]

There is a lot more to this case. The water was contaminated and probably pathogens could have got in. They cherry picked the cases and chose the cases when Lucy was on. The doctors were being sued for negligence? Why were the doctors not investigated??

[@margaretdesaubin4456]

All management should be charged as accessories

[@andyw8984]

Well said, it beggars belief that doctor’s didn’t push their concerns further by going to police themselves, as the last gentleman said there are anonymous whistleblower avenues.

[@markwilson7788]

This is a systemic problem of managers who neither have the competence or the integrity to function at the level at which they are employed. They act in their own self interest and the interest, as they see it, of the organistation paying their fat salary. This is an extreme example of something that you can see every day in the public sector. Managers who keep their heads down and think their role is to do what makes the organisation look good... no criticism tolerated. In that scenario, lessons are never learned. Perhaps part of the solution is for organisations to demonstrate to independant bodies how their systems are alert and accommodating to scenarios put to them during random inspections. Hence they don't learn lessons, but they show they have thought about many potential scenarios and they have the plan in place to ensure it is sorted. In other words Management!

[@pamclarke6785]

Agree

[@marypartridge5154]

Ive done this and phoned the police and then the police listen to hospital management over one person. And the complainant is considered to be meddling and hysterical

[@Ann-qf5vk]

What about the care commission

[@BritBelle89]

One doctor let alone several doctors would never go to a board lightly! They’re too busy! If they notice that one person (let alone the RN, as we are the main care providers for the pt) is ALWAYS there when patients die over and over and over and over and over and over and over it would be a verrrrrrry big flag! Even if they genuinely thought it was random it would be PROOF (if she was the assigned RN) was just extreme incompetency it should have been addressed. The doctors should sue the evil idiots who made them apologize!!

[@keewng]

Every Autumn when just graduated Junior Doctors starts their Clinical practice but unknown to public every year there were excess deaths between late Autumn to early winter but according to NHS it's a normal facts of Life.

[@katherinekirkhope9399]

The season of death.

[@robshirewood5060]

There is close supervision of juniors, and set procedures of clinical governance, also in the case of excess deaths there is a covid vaccine link, you will need a lot more evidence to push your case on that basis.

[@robshirewood5060]

@@katherinekirkhope9399 Death occurs 366 days of the year there is NO season of death.

[@kbeau9538]

Convicted on suspicion no actual solid evidence!

[@helenmc4640]

My thoughts exactly! Second to these poor babies losing their lives, is the poor doctors and consultants who were totally ignored, trying to avoid any further murders. And even threatened with harassing her 😢. It's absolutely incredible! The fact that they were just about to allow her back onto the ward before she was arrested is absolutely crazy !

[@housemanager-od4uq]

....strange how suddenly everyone most people started to say what could have been done?! Basically....if you're so concerned ? JUST CALL POLICE - REGARDLESS OF YOUR POSITION....you would be heard and inomonus !

[@JCOwens-zq6fd]

Just what they did during the C19 mess is bad enough. Rotten to the core.

[@Ann-qf5vk]

There is something far wrong with this case but I'm in Scotland where the law differs from that of England and Wales.

[@lindsay8845]

Having worked in several nhs hospitals for years, we could write books about the stuff that goes on including about some of those managers. Its been a well known fact that u really do need to kill someone before u get sacked. There's this culture that managers are afraid to deal with rogue staff, such as Letby, that's why she got away with it for so long. I never understood why those managers didn't do what they're paid to do and suspend a staff member with immediate effect while they're being investigated but this just doesn't happen. So now its come to this. and all those poor babies who were murdered and injured and their families suffering. The managers that worked with Letby are also complicit. They failed cause they had a duty of care to protect those babies from Letby as soon as the doctors and nurse colleagues raised concerns about her, she should have been suspended with immediate effect.

[@Drjones1037]

What would it take to get a public inquiry, if this case doesn’t meet the criteria I don’t know what would. The public inquiry into an ecoli outbreak in Wales led by Lord Pennington followed the tragic death of a child as a result of an outbreak of ecoli from schools being supplied with contaminated cooked meat. I would argue that there is a significant public protection interest in this case due to systemic failure in safeguarding measures which allowed a serial killer to murder defenceless babies even after colleagues whistleblowing. All members of parliament should push for a public inquiry, one of the senior managers is living in retirement in the South of France, all involved must be compelled to attend and the police investigation should not stop at this vile women but should now focus on individuals who turned a blind eye and were more interested in following HR processes and appeasing the nursing union. It’s such a shocking case which will lead to lack of confidence in those who are charged in caring for the most vulnerable.

[@lashlarue7924]

DAMN RIGHT. In America the heads of massive state universities roll over relatively less severe crimes!! 😤

[@greni7472]

Totally agree with what all 3 say.

[@spencerhulme1203]

Lessons to learn " The heartbreaking death of a Welsh couple's baby that led to the worst maternity scandal in the history of the NHS being uncovered" independent inquiry into maternity services at Shrewsbury and Telford NHS Trust which identified that more than 201 babies and nine mothers may have survived had they received proper care. Hence, others in the NHS have blood on their hands, you are better off paying for a private midwife to come to your home and deliver in the safety of your home or go to a private clinic, thank you Conservative Government we will all go outside and bang our pan's for your systematic failures.

[@Ann-qf5vk]

Those babies are dead and gone and no one is taking responsibility.

[@samaracuthbert3718]

Tony chambers accused of shutting down lucy letby concerns has taken a 1.5 million pension from.nhs 😮😮

[@philomenadennehy8585]

They could have placed a nurse Whereever she worked

[@margaretdesaubin4456]

NHS is a bloody disgrace their only concern was their reputations had they respected the concerns of the doctors some of these beautiful babies would not have died or been permanently harmed its heartbreaking just thinking abiut all families involved i hope their beautiful babies always RIP

[@robshirewood5060]

Let us hope that this is not a miscarriage of justice and someone else or others are actually to blame. As far as i am aware from my experience in the nhs it requires two nurses or a nurse and doctor to administer any medication especially via injection or intravenously or added to an IV bag and all of that is from a legal document the prescription sheet and both are required to sign it as administered. So where and who was the second person in each case. Even drawing up medication into syringes is covered by the two person protocol. There have been cases in the past where the wrong nurse was blamed.

[@paulroberts7544]

I can't explain why, but i have huge misgivings about this case.

[@robshirewood5060]

@@paulroberts7544 I also have my doubts, i have a feeling somewhere down the track there will be more coming out. There have been cases before where nurses were accused like this and later found to be innocent.

[@crossx695]

When I first saw a picture of Lucy, I saw a nice looking woman with an angelic smile, I heard people who knew her well thought of her as kind hearted, so hard to believe that is the face of a person who committed such monstrous acts, her father is elderly, she was heir only child, now the most prolific child killer in UK, god help them, she destroyed the lives of those poor parents, the lives of HER, parents and her own life so sad.

[@paulroberts7544]

Do you have 100% faith in our judicial system? How certain are you that she's guilty? We know that innocent people are found guilty. It happens. I have no logical arguments to make surrounding her guilt/innocence (other than is was all circumstantial evience), but just a gut feel that she didn't do it. It could just be that - as you say - she looks 'nice'. Or maybe it's something else. 'Usually' my instincts are sound.

[@lashlarue7924]

@@paulroberts7544Your instincts are NOT sound, Sir. Respectfully, she absolutely DID do it. Statistics and data do not lie, sir. They pulled the charts. The statistics for infant mortality do not lie; she was the only common factor in 7 deaths and 6 close calls. She injected them with insulin, you can't make this up, she absolutely did it! This is what psychopathy looks like. She has no remorse or empathy at all. But she's charming as can be. The most notorious psychopaths are the ones you would least suspect.

[@chynnadoll3277]

If she had been black she would have never been stopped.

[@mattystephenson4997]

She will still be looked after in prison. Let the prisoners get their hands on this vile individual for proper justice.

[@TDKiller415]

I remember all those women prisoners who threw salt on that woman who killed her toddler by force feeding him salt with her husband's help. This PoS will get the same. There will be women in there who have children they miss every day. They'll have a nice time with this monster.

[@robshirewood5060]

@@TDKiller415 There were quite a few mothers jailed for killing their children based on flawed evidence from a so called expert, the mothers spent years in jail and were later found to be innocent. Nothing is ever as clear as it seems.

[@TDKiller415]

@@robshirewood5060 Those were other cases. We're talking about this particular case. The "other cases" defence is the one that was used to get OJ off even though it had fuck all to back it up.

[@jackmehoffe9372]

Angels of death

[@williamhenry4986]

There be more definitely absolute (C#%T)

[@manoo422]

She was doing little more than she saw other doing an a daily basis...She was just a little more proactive!!

[@Nickle314]

Dr Jane Barton sand shipman the nhs has form

[@BarryCampbell6822]

All the emotion thats on show is real, and, If she is guilty, then, like everybody who commits crimes against vulnerable infants, she should die of old age in prison. However, when an individual has been convicted purely on the strength of hearsay evidence, ably assisted by the msm, then the bereaved families and the British public need to see irrefutable evidence. Because, if they've convicted a scapegoat, either the real killer is still working as a medical professional, or this was a 'cluster'; either way, the system has failed.

[@wendyg8536]

Was she administering 'the vaccine' to these babies?

[@kinkle2]

Every mother whose child was murdered should get at least £ 30 million. It won't cut the lifelong pain of loss but it's the only compensation they can give... that and a plan in place to ensure this never happens again.

[@matthewcook9404]

Yes …. don’t let the Conservatives run the NHS. 😂

[@lindsay8845]

In the beginning I couldn't believe Letby was guilty of doing this. Thinking maybe she had been set up or it was another nurse doing this. But no, Letby had written in her notes that she'd done this and admitted she was evil. I don't understand what her motivation was to harm those babies. Why did she do it?

[@finianlacy8827]

SHe DOESN'T really exist does she ??? Let LETBE BE ??

[@GI4JYT]

When they stop aborting babies, then I'll be convinced that lessons have been learned?

[@StaalBurgher0]

She should be forced to give birth to 5 children

[@TDKiller415]

This is one reason why I don't support the death penalty: 1. Risk of executing an innocent person 2. Let a serial killer suffer for the rest of their life instead of death, which is the easy way out However long this monster gets in prison, all those female inmates who have children who they miss every single day, they're going to have LOADS of fun with her 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@paulroberts7544]

So surely that concerns you as much as execution of a potentially innocent person would?

[@endasims3443]

These managers will simply be retired off on big pensions. Personally I think they are guilty of murder. They knew , did nothing and more died .

[@jamesring5680]

For cases such as these the death penalty should be brought in on emergency measures, she's killed multiple babies all human rights go out the window disgusting evil women

[@andywilson9150]

She better get prison justice!!!!