Ludwig Invitational Losers Finals - Hungrybox (Jigglypuff) Vs. Leffen (Fox) SSBM Melee Tournament

[@skydreamsans5356]

Leffen laser camping into complaining true combo

[@Christian6557]

Like yeah dudes playing the best grounded character in the game and complains that someone isn't playing to where he has the obvious advantage. Leffens such a dork

[@michiganisthebeststate1081]

Leffen losing into posting angry tweets is the most guaranteed combo in the game. Works at any percent, against every character, and anywhere on stage. It's like wobbling.

[@Slatanata22]

Lmao

[@noirlavender6409]

Wouldn't you? If not then you obviously haven't been upthrow rested ever

[@Slatanata22]

@@noirlavender6409 maybe but i would say going on the stream right after ya lost saying we need to change the rules is pretty unsporrsman like wouldn't you

[@thesolution4326]

New ruleset proposal: leffen isn't allowed to speak or tweet for 24 hours after losing in tourney.

[@JosoLifts]

based

[@Guts1022]

This right here

[@skulduggerypleasant9008]

Leffen isn't allowed to speak period would be even better

[@conerplays8755]

Enter the clip of a better society

[@MajoraWaffle]

*leffen isn't allowed easily one of the shittiest people in the smash community that still somehow has a platform

[@--_--_--_--_]

Leffen has finally realised his dream of becoming a giant pile of breathing living salt.

[@Flindo911]

I dont think he just realized that, hes alwways been that

[@AlexDuWaldt]

25:08 Good games, lame tournament.

[@Flindo911]

@@AlexDuWaldt didnt even see him say that what an asshole

[@kaleax7525]

@@AlexDuWaldt I agree that Leffen's being a piss baby, but I can only hear 'nice tournament'. Wouldn't put a low jab like that past him, though.

[@chibilink73]

This made me laugh hard lmao

[@dippahh9064]

IBDW consistently beat hbox for like a year because he knows how to adapt. Literal skill issue. Common L leffen

[@imartimus]

Dude complains that Hbox is using an unbeatable strat but Hbox is beatable, pretty frequently. Leffen is such a baby

[@yuanwang9324]

@@imartimus Funny thing about leffen complaining that hbox is using "unbeatable" strats is that this is the first win in 3 years hbox got over leffen

[@manuelgodinez3337]

@@yuanwang9324 It seems like these ppl havent seen melee in the last 3 years

[@wack9929]

Leffen has been destroying hbox recently

[@zetsun0]

@@wack9929 clearly

[@bladefox5082]

The last time Hungrybox beat him was at Smash 'N' Splash 2019. It's been 3 years since Hungrybox beat Leffen and AS SOON as he wins it's back to complaining.

[@jomacoles]

This shows the world is healing lmao

[@Lunar1314_]

@@jomacoles huh, I never thought of it that way

[@alicechorona]

If leffen is mad i'm a little happier

[@dippahh9064]

you and me both friend

[@CrashForSmash]

fax. anyone vouching for leffen as a human being a walking L too.

[@XC11301991]

@@CrashForSmash He's a soyboy and draws in the furious soyboy keyboard warriors. This lightweight Swede gets bodied by M2k IRL before M2k started getting jacked again.

[@xXunknownXx0000]

yessirrrrrrrr

[@luigi64gamer19]

Lmao

[@ExceedRed]

Hbox after losing to Leffen for 3 years: Alright GGs, I’ll get better Leffen after losing to Hbox once: He abused the ruleset reeeeeeeeeeeee

[@jrs2392]

Love how they included the entire leffen rant after the games

[@nachot6592]

Because enjoying seeing Leffen cry is part of the experience. Watching hbox lol in real time was the perfect finishing touch.

[@ericborczuk135]

"There's no character that can time out puff" AMSA: "hold my eggs"

[@l.n.3372]

Ironically, that time out was pretty hype xD aMSa using his egg shield to dodge HBox etc. aMSa played insanely well and there's nothing wrong with timing out when you had the lead and know it's a last minute win condition.

[@yuanwang9324]

@@l.n.3372 it's also not something that happens super often, which makes it fine occasionally

[@l.n.3372]

@@yuanwang9324 I think time outs get bad reputation cuz Melee Jigglypuff and Sonic too. But I've seen plenty of matches in Ultimate where the game is intense but it takes 2 min for anybody to take a single stock, and they simply run outta time in the final minutes

[@TheMari0123]

Hold my tier list

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

@@l.n.3372 I feel like the time limit should be way lower, like maybe around 4-5 minutes. In other fighting games, the timer has real pressure in a reasonable number of games. Meanwhile most Melee games are so fast that the timer doesn't matter or the game is going to time because the match is being super campy.

[@manowano2102]

Ludwig owning leffen by saying you cant be saying this right after a loss

[@kaleax7525]

'I won't be competing in Melee if there's no stalling rules' Honestly? Big W for the whole smash scene right there.

[@Carvaka]

Leffen threatening to quit is hilarious. The scene would be so much less toxic without him

[@mycenaeangal9312]

Please... I really really don't want him to quit. I'm a strive player. And it would make me really happy if he'd get the fuck out of my game and refocused on yours instead.

[@roosh410]

please no I need my bitch baby Leffen. The petty pretty boy is a niche he fills so well.

[@TheMikeMase]

"Quote from man stabbed: What are you gonna do, stab me?"

[@Tyrone_Silver]

Is it even a considered threat?? He’s just a ranting child that gets angry when you play like bitch and still lose

[@josesalas732]

It's been months since Hbox has won against Leffen and the moment leff loses it, he cries about it, in the main stream event at youtube. And, top of the cake, this guy goes at twitter with the quit threat 'cause of "bad rulesets". Leffen's ego goes beyond reality. The whole tournament has to face Hbox. And... everyone has had their time (even AMSA gave HBOX his own medicine with the hypest time-out ever, at TBH10, WITH YOSHI). Willy if you read this, you need another plan, just as we all do.

[@TheMostSlyFox]

That stream was some of the best melee / smash content I've witnessed to date. 2012 vibes, everyone knows everyone, salt and good vibes all around.

[@Flip-a-dip-dip]

“Willy” 😂

[@LeRuseBird]

Hax was right

[@akallstar5]

@@TheMostSlyFox Sure and leffen deserves to get absolutely shat on for it, which he is. Leffen L

[@theinktician]

@@Flip-a-dip-dip Nah fr "Willy" is crazy 😂he wild for that

[@GodotWait0]

I AM NOT CRAZY!..... I am not crazy, I KNOW he took advantage of the rules, I just couldnt prove it. He covered his tracks. He got those idiots on the couch to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That crab! Are you telling me someone just HAPPENS to throw a crab at him like that? No! He orchestrated it! Juan! He scared Jmook with his popoff! And I unblocked him on Twitter, and I shouldn't have. Even tried to be chummy with him online! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll NEVER change. Ever since 09, always the same! Couldn't keep him hands out of Mango's AMA. But not our Hungrybox! Couldn't be our precious Hungrybox! Popping off on them blind! And HE gets to be a top Melee competitor? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! ....And you, you have to stop him, you

[@jacobjackson881]

I love this so much 😂

[@antaresblazewar9083]

Hahahahaha

[@antaresblazewar9083]

He defecated while resting

[@requiem9749]

Underrated show

[@amberhernandez]

Include me in the screenshot when this gets posted to okbuddychicanery

[@Charmolution]

Leffen spends the entire game shooting lasers, even when he's down 2 stocks, then goes on to complain about how campy his opponent was. If his chat isn't filled with clown emojis for the next month, there is no justice in Melee.

[@yuanwang9324]

unfortunately leffen has vocal fans that think he's a great person

[@Saltyoven]

It won't be because he bans anyone who makes fun of him.

[@Chrillin___]

@@yuanwang9324 his fanbase is a genuine example of how ignorance follows ignorance, like it’s insane how any of them refuse to logically think about how toxic his demeanor is

[@scythea428]

@@Chrillin___ anyone who challenges his beliefs on anything or opposes anything he has to say is banned and seen as a joke publicly by the chat

[@XC11301991]

Peak Leffen salt, haven't seen this shit in a while, and then doing the 7 year old "if you don't change the rules I won't play with you" rant. I hope he does quit, be good to finally be rid of him so we can focus on the rest of the top competitors that have been grinding like crazy and making Melee the most interesting it's been in the longest time.

[@Noah--07]

^

[@safogalsh]

Facts. I’m not like super knowledgeable with Melee but I’ve been watching tournaments for a few years and I’ve always had the opinion that Leffen was just leaching on the community being an ass and getting away with it just because he’s good.

[@itspapaho7898]

He told us he’s not even salty though

[@Adam_U]

"But he's changed" lmao

[@Saltyoven]

"I'm not owned! I'm not owned" I continue to insist as I slowly transform into a corn cob.

[@itspapaho7898]

Ludwig is an awesome host. He’s aware enough to know how much of a wiener Leffen is being on camera and attempts to save him from himself twice and he does so without embarrassing him or blatantly telling him. ❤

[@Greatestfratus]

I think it would be ok if they would’ve just said that he’s being salty and call it a day.

[@AlexDuWaldt]

25:08 Good games, lame tournament.

[@WhiteLightnin38]

@@AlexDuWaldt I had to relisten to it when you pointed that out but pretty sure he said "nice" tournament.

[@DubYuhGChoppa]

@@WhiteLightnin38 Yea thats what I heard yesterday too I think he's just saying that dismissively cause he wants to dip lol

[@admirrad3777]

@@KevinOnEarth_ Literally what point are you trying to make

[@imartimus]

Phil: "Air time? You don't want Puff to jump?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@vanishing_girl]

Phil was the only one who just wasn't having it on any level lol, he looked so disgusted

[@collegeoffoliage6776]

Leffen: *on the verge of crying* "Puff shouldn't be allowed to jump, it's cheating!"

[@snex000]

I wonder if Leffen supports a dashdance or a laser limit. Or does he only want to nerf characters he doesn't play?

[@Barosepha888]

he literally said he's down for a laser limit?? I don't even particularly agree with him but come on man

[@snex000]

@@Barosepha888 Oh excuse me for not being on Twitter like all the kids. Being stupid in all directions isn't exactly better for him. Maybe he should try a different game.

[@Barosepha888]

@@snex000 he said it in this video????? But don't let me get in the way of your nuanceless blind disdain for people dude. Have your fun ig

[@snex000]

@@Barosepha888 Bruh wtf are you talking about? It's a video of hbox beating him.

[@Barosepha888]

@@snex000 the leffen rant is at the end

[@nellismygirl]

Hungrybox decided to defeat Leff's Fox TWICE in FD. And Leffen was MALDING. Lmao

[@IHarleyWin]

He complained about hbox platform camping him on FD lmao

[@biledox5576]

@@IHarleyWin he even wants to put an air limit, like wtf, let's put a ground limit for fox

[@adamspeiser6449]

@@biledox5576LOL. No no no. If we are going to implement something like that it has to be universal.

[@dubudub876]

They didnt have to include leffens rant but they did 💀

[@dippahh9064]

and im so glad they did lmaooooo

[@vivalosgameplays5383]

It also helps to not know who won judging by the video length. But I guess everyone who entered in this video knows the result anyways lol.

[@urallnoobs8943]

@@vivalosgameplays5383 facts, 80% of viewers are people who watched the set live and came to the vod to discuss leffen's meltdown

[@L7Fx]

just to show what a crybaby he really is. #makeleffenquitsmash

[@infernojoepro3976]

The true nature of Leffen came out after this set. Pure John's coming from him so sad to see. He killed the Grand Finals vibes with his rant.

[@DerkerBluer]

Leffen losing? nice

[@stardustsuisei]

Tqm Derky

[@skrem3505]

Contra Hbox le da un toque especial

[@izzio6680]

effen I think you dropped this L

[@Noah--07]

nice

[@acekingdom5050]

HAHAHAHA 😂

[@jordandabeatplug9960]

Nahhhh broooo LMAOO💀

[@dippahh9064]

holy W

[@PsQueak2]

effen hiarious comment here

[@TheBrokenSigma278]

Can we talk about how consistent leffens’s combos are? He hits the lose->complain confirm every time, I’ve never seen him mess that one up

[@SilentDeku]

You had me in the first half ngl XD

[@akallstar5]

Leffens ego is so obviously out of this world, and Hax was the crazy one? Lol cmon dude. Enjoy the flight home fool

[@VoonNBuddies]

24:04 "There's no character that can time out puff." aMSa timed out Hugrybox like 2 weeks ago what are you talking about?

[@incidentlyaniguana2193]

Fox can time out puff easily. Leffen saying puff can time everybody out because rest exists is just like saying fox can time puff out because up throw-up air, or up smash exist. Leffen is in fact a literal baby in both mental and emotional capacity and that will never change.

[@dippahh9064]

"I wont be competing in melee if theres no stalling rules" okay then leave we dont want you anyway lmao

[@loganreidy7055]

"He only beat me because I'm so good" -Leffen probably

[@nuave]

I love how he loses, cries and johns, and then everybody basically tells him he's a salty loser. Love to see it

[@12345langham]

Ban Leffen's ass. What an entitled piece of work after all the hurt and suffering he's put so many people through- literally worked to destroy HBox's career, and ruined Zer0's on a whim. Massive respect to HGod's attitude and W.

[@rubadub15]

Yo if Leffen did quit that would be a huge W for the melee scene.

[@archivelibrarian6818]

it would be a MASSIVE W

[@mycenaeangal9312]

Huge L for guilty gear scene though ;-;

[@scythea428]

@@mycenaeangal9312 who cares about guilty gear tho

[@Cescc911]

@@scythea428 who cares about smash tho

[@scythea428]

@@Cescc911 I dunno, probably the 77 thousand people that watched this video and the 250+K people that watched big house

[@zetsun0]

So Leffen gets 3-1'd and immediately goes to the commentary booth to cry about the need for "air-time ruling" only for hbox to be completely run over by zain 10m later. Leffen's not a clown at this point, he's the entire circus. Take the L and go home. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[@eclipse7217]

Really wish you hadn't included Grand Final spoiler's in this comment, man 😑

[@Noah--07]

@@eclipse7217 damn dude im so sorry that mustve hurt rip

[@Charmolution]

Leffen can't not embarrass himself.

[@KTSpeedruns]

Awe man, spoiler alert. I hadn't watched grands.

[@eclipse7217]

@@TheBeggies95 Not looking at comments until you've finished the set you're watching is fair enough. But most people are hardly going to come back here and check comments about this set after they've watched Grands, so I wouldn't make a comment that spoils future matches in the tourney. It's one thing if the matches are old, but these ones hadn't even finished releasing here on KZbin yet

[@PreacherJenkins]

Please Leffen follow through with your threat and quit so you can go be disliked by other fgc scenes

[@malacara1335]

Can't he just speedrun or something single player like that.

[@mrhuman5092]

@@malacara1335 if he speedruns he won't be able to blame other people for his short comings tho. That would be a foreign concept for (L)effen

[@t-mofisher8922]

@@mrhuman5092 nah he will complain about speedrun exploits that are hard to do and be like “this stuff should be more honest”

[@yuanwang9324]

@@mrhuman5092 leffen would probably cheat in speed running because he feels entitled to the records and that his skills are "good", it's just the luck's fault

[@lakesorrow3912]

@@mrhuman5092 He'll blame the developers of the game then

[@womcauliff]

22:45 Hbox reacting to Leffen's temper tantrum

[@陳嘉宇-y4q]

The best moment in the tournament With the Jigglypuff call in the background before the camera turns to Hbox

[@tinyz7575]

Best moment Id be dying of laughter listening in

[@nicholas930]

23:18 that face is a perfect representation of how seriously people should take leffen

[@Theorpo]

This made me chuckle very load in the middle of class. So thank you but also I hate you lol

[@Ijir0]

remember, this set made leffen quit melee for THE ENTIRE 2023

[@CPMAHPFA]

I remember

[@aVeryAngryMoth]

Excellent

[@JPXtorsion]

Leffen really complaining about puff jumping on FD while laser camping the entire time is pure gold. Grow up, quit the game. Hbox has been enhancing the melee scene for such a long time as competitors learn to adapt against him. You can tell we don’t need leffen just by seeing the massive growth of melee in the past year.

[@amybaldwin3556]

22:00 Then QUIT, I promise you we don't care as much as you think we do.

[@NatePhan]

Literally. He's been missing from so many tourneys this year and nothing of value has been lost.

[@urallnoobs8943]

15:17 - 15:35 for in game salt, 19:12 for irl salt

[@retrossbm9219]

Love that Joshman and Lud were in a way sticking up for hbox

[@CalebBlack]

Honestly everyone was. Phil and Brandon were pretty confused at a lot of his arguments.

[@slime_doesnt_pay_]

@@CalebBlack phills face said it all bro

[@Wavedashnoir]

Leffen was quiet the second hbox pulled up 🤣🤣🤣🤣 literally a laughing stock

[@nit0134]

Brooo Leffen seriously just needs to take the L. He got outplayed, period.

[@dasschnellsten]

I love how Leffen is uber laser camping before Hbox is ledge camping. Especially on FD. Then he salt tweets. I don’t get it man. He is literally known as the passive fox

[@raze1669]

the fact hbox was listening on his phone was absolutely hilarious

[@dippahh9064]

Leffen try not to embarrass yourself challenge

[@micahfurlow2624]

* IMPOSSIBLE *

[@Fernando17892]

Bro leffen is turning into lowtiergod

[@2FadeMusic]

Leffen was always lowtiergod except actually good

[@acooldude2226]

Get that air banned

[@MajoraWaffle]

he's always been a diet-LTD with his constant johnning and just generally being a bad person.

[@9999thviewer]

Leffen's outburst was such an embarrassment. So unfortunate that this was likely thousands of people's first impression of professional melee.

[@LazyStarrfish]

I haven’t checked into professional Melee in a hot minute. I did not get good vibes from this tournament/invitational/whatever. Between Leffen and Mango commentating on grand finals, I left not feeling like I missed much of anything since the last time I watched top melee

[@viv1877]

@@LazyStarrfish ultimate on the other hand

[@Yokai_Yuri]

Hbox is inevitable. He's just the guy everyone hates because he uses a character that is anti melee meta. Props to Clutchvox for taking 2nd. Leff have no business being this far as he got the tournament seeding and placement handed over to him, yet he still cries

[@Mikehy.mp3]

Tbf there's plenty of reasons not to like HBOX. He had a lot of problems in his past and he's got a very large, over the top personality on top of a fairly big ego. Personally I feel like HBOX has come a long way, far from perfect but he's a better person than he was before. I can still recognize why people don't like him but I do think a lot of the hate for him and his character is blown way out of proportion

[@evadekiryu5060]

@@Mikehy.mp3 ight cool atleast he didn’t make someone almost off themself

[@Wavedashnoir]

@@Mikehy.mp3 lol name 3 reasons, real reasons

[@ElusiveTactician]

Thanosbox

[@Mikehy.mp3]

@@Wavedashnoir I quite literally did in my initial comment lol.

[@oaklex4948]

Ludwig is the definition of loyalty. We're lucky to have someone become so successful and the endorse scene.

[@PalPlays]

"Why am I forced to approach when down two stocks?" - Leffen

[@DarkAura19]

Oh this felt DAMN good.

[@guillermolopez6130]

Leffen: I'm not even salty Commentator couch: 🤨😏🤔🧐

[@flowgix6427]

I usually don't watch Melee tournament, but after watching the last few sets of this one I feel like I missed so much, I need to watch more of it ! It's such a cool game honestly

[@iwanttoputkamuistoesinmymo5938]

Melee is hype

[@benjaminamundson2766]

Bro watch mang0 v slug and mang0 v IBDW from this tourney they were both hype as fuck

[@Slatanata22]

19:15 holy copium. You were literally laser camping him the whole set. Don't let the door hit u on the way out.

[@manuelgodinez3337]

i mean, your idol is in the other side of the map camping, what should he do, run to puff and die? LOL

[@Slatanata22]

Lmfao he could hit him. Sounds like somebody lost some money last night

[@honathan2135]

@@manuelgodinez3337 imagine

[@_Majunior]

@@manuelgodinez3337 you don't need to approach when you have the lead. It's not like there's a speed advantage along with the easiest time killing puff out of the whole cast but go off King

[@soren1803]

@@manuelgodinez3337 uno reverse. what should puff do, run towards the fastest character in the game and engage in grounded footsies?

[@balther10]

Lmao hbox has 3 stocks has zero reason to approach and leffen just starts malding.

[@puff6796]

HAAHAH ikr wtf he except lmaoo

[@R4NK4Z]

I am still in deep disbelief after everything leffen did, especially the ZeRo Case, this fraudy and dangerous liar is still allowed to play

[@EmaDgenerationX]

They were acting like Hax was crazy but he was right all along! Leffen is just too toxic he should be banned but for some odd reason this community keeps jerking off to him, I just don't understand.

[@AL-lh2ht]

Whats the ZeRo case?

[@SnowyJop]

Leffen is a shitter, but he does not deserve to be banned and especially not over the Zero situation 💀

[@NatePhan]

@@AL-lh2ht IIRC he was the one (along with Milk Tea?) who made up and pushed false information about Zero being a pedo, which ruined his career and almost led Zero to offing himself.

[@AmineSamus]

@@NatePhan Zero literally did message an underage girl sexually though

[@beszt95]

I don't usually root for hbox, but I always root against Leffen and goddamn am I happy with how this set went. Good shit hbox lol

[@shikarixox1195]

Lol Mad respect for how Lud destroyed Leffen here.

[@benjaminwilkin2960]

After watching this set, fox needs a laser limit. It's killing the game, and I'll quit if its not implemented.

[@lonewolfex]

Leffen wants to fight, except for the 10 minutes of laser camping. It's cool when he does it.

[@kingpingaming4503]

L: "Imma quit Melee if the rules don't change" Chat: "Lmao, bye salt lord'

[@heathbar641]

Leffen: Puff deserves an airtime limit Also Leffen: 14:33

[@paolosworld99]

"Guys my opponent isn't approaching me, but I'm playing fox. Is there a glitch in the game, can someone review?"

[@xredkirbyx]

it's actually insane how leffen hasn't improved his attitude over the past 7 or 8 years. he claims he's improving, but he clearly isn't

[@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong]

Wdym? He's improving clearly. His johns game is peak rn.

[@pandaforce6162]

never been much of an hbox fan but cannot believe i've found someone to root against harder

[@rorycannon7295]

Good.

[@JoeyJojoJrJr]

LOL, right? Same feeling I get when hbox plays ibdw.

[@JoeyJojoJrJr]

@@KevinOnEarth_ lol, not at all my friend. Whenever Hbox, leffen or ibdw play each other, I always hope that BOTH players will somehow lose.

[@geeky_225]

Hax might’ve made some crazy videos but he is so right about leffen 😂😂😂

[@heathbar641]

22:43 the faint puff taunt 😭

[@SirFuzzyLogik]

Leffen's argument completely failed when it was pointed out to him Hbox didn't even abuse rules this set. Juan played insanely well, he just can't accept it because my man is BPD

[@SPMask]

16:50 Leffen the big baby.

[@jonathanelliott7645]

I would understand Leffens complaints if he was trying to interact and hbox kept running away. But, that didn’t happen he sat in the corner down three stocks and laser camped expecting hbox to approach. You can’t complain about someone not interacting when you yourself don’t interact.

[@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong]

Especially in a play 2 win environment, why the hell are you expecting your enemy to throw on purpose? Just for you especially as well.

[@takewhatsmine1]

After all the chaos Leffen has caused, I can't believe people still welcome him in the smash community. Its one of the reasons why I don't take this community seriously anymore.

[@wooplaw1080]

Seriously…. They’ll bitch and complain about hbox popping off because it’s “unsportsmanlike” but they’ll praise the toilet leffen shits in after he’s made salty comments or harassed someone on twitter. It’s fucking mind boggling

[@xaevius5319]

that and the community licking mango's pole every chance they get

[@Redux493]

Leffen is just mad that he's bad at the game and HBox is better. Get your grind up and not your funny up

[@hmmmmmmmmmm_]

Bruh it's 2022, If leffen quits it doesn't matter cause there are better players to watch

[@Cheis_]

He’s not trying to nerf stalling, he’s trying to nerf Hbox lol

[@bigtoblerone8446]

Exactly

[@LuigiLonLon]

"I will quit Melee if there's no stalling rules" Good, the door is that way, let's see how long the Strive and Tekken players tolerate your whines

[@Aflay1]

15:14 Tag: Mindbreak, Submission

[@Charmolution]

It's pretty scummy of HBox to not approach when he has a 2 stock lead.

[@TehAnimeHQ]

@@Charmolution When you are winning you don't approach. That is an obvious rule. The second he did he lost two stocks very quickly. Leffen is just a baby.

[@Charmolution]

@@shorthopdoublelasers4168 That was a joke; I was making fun of Leffen's entitled mindset.

[@JayWalkZ]

@@Charmolution hard to tell it is a joke when so many people uses this as an actual argument.

[@mastercuber6202]

@@Charmolution lmao

[@Greatestfratus]

As soon as Leffen said “Can we change the rules?” They should’ve handed him a big blue cardboard L for him to hold.

[@itscoolthough419]

Ellen Degeneres losing, love to see it.

[@Aflay1]

I loved Leffen's work in Finding Dory.

[@yobin3711]

For as much as I hate how this community puts up with Leffen, it's really heartwarming to see this entire comment section shitting on him.

[@jaxton7280]

Leffen is really crying after laser camping for two games in a row.

[@kevinquinones.8267]

I thought Leffen was banned

[@Christian6557]

He should be if the people who ran the scene were competent and fair

[@hatboi124]

He should be.

[@Charmolution]

That happened about 9 years ago...

[@loganreidy7055]

@@Charmolution So we are going to ignore him spreading rumors about m2k that forced him to release an incredibly embarrassing video on himself and trying to mess with Hbox's reputation that has happened as soon as last year?

[@dippahh9064]

god we can only dream

[@dingo9696]

Sets over but there's 9 minutes left in the video. I know what's about to happen.

[@judge81]

Have been a fan of Leff for a long time but unfollowed him on everything recently, this rant validates that. Hbox is such a vibe listening to the rant with the stream on his phone, what a chad.

[@animalhouse8849]

I'm not sure why anyone would admit that lmao

[@judge81]

@@animalhouse8849 Why not? Can I not support who I want to?

[@Calamity5]

honestly a little suprised you didn't unfollow him earlier, especially with his accusations of ZeRo being a p3d0. (well, not his but he corroborated them)

[@ProgMega]

Real question: why isn’t there a laser limit? Couldn’t Fox just evade and laser camp all game until time?

[@puff6796]

yea but they probably wont cuz if people watch u do that then theyll hate u leffen has nothing to lose tho so he laser camps

[@N1ghthawkL06]

Not long ago Mango dominated Hbox with Fox, and now Leffen is ccrying about air time? The set wasn't even campy, like Leffen is a good player just fucking grind, he hates Hbox cuz he is just an all out aggressive player, unlike Mango who adapted and camped Hbox into defeat

[@Justpassingby204]

@@echoingthroughthefloorz1869 he meant in a set or two obviously

[@N1ghthawkL06]

@@echoingthroughthefloorz1869 August 14 2022

[@jonathanelliott7645]

hbox is still up in set count this year.

[@chemicalfusion1320]

I am so glad I watched this live

[@Buttersaucee3]

Leffen would complain about the rules of Rock Paper Scissors because someone went double rock into scissors

[@Benisuber1]

Absolutely warms my heart to see a comment section full of people shitting on Leffen in Hbox's defense.

[@LemmeSquish]

These TO's should not listen to Leffen's complaining about rule sets. We have so many rules that cater to Leffen (and leffen only, theory)

[@Saltyoven]

Remember the time Leffen got to replay his winners set a full round of sets later because the damage ratio was set to .9?

[@fjdkslfjdkwhgioperwhgjkoldsf]

@@Saltyoven that makes sense tho. Not ideal but completely reasonable.

[@AL-lh2ht]

@@fjdkslfjdkwhgioperwhgjkoldsf do you honestly think though anyone else would get the same treatment?

[@fjdkslfjdkwhgioperwhgjkoldsf]

@@AL-lh2ht tbh yeah. even more so if they are a top player

[@陳嘉宇-y4q]

Really Leffen, out of all of the timing, when Ludwig and thousands of audience who are new to smash watching you, you choose this time to John ?

[@vuke6931]

Leffen giving us the gift of no longer playing melee would be great get his salty narcissist ass outta here lol. Now I'm against any stall rules it'd be an actual dub for the community. Like, I get there are heels, and serious and salty competitors. But the personal toxicity that always comes from that guy is whack and it just doesn't ever have anything good that follows

[@jacobhdz127]

15:30 Leffen is mad that HBox isn’t approaching, then when HBox does approach he runs to the corner. Almost as if forcing your opponent to approach is a valid start. Especially when you have the lead.

[@EmaDgenerationX]

please unban Aziz... he was right about Leffen's ego the entire time, this is absolutely ridiculous! just admit you got outplayed smh

[@loganreidy7055]

Free Hax$

[@_Majunior]

He has been unbanned. He can compete starting 2023

[@queuedjar4578]

@@_Majunior yeah we've already won this battle. Yet another Triad L

[@EmaDgenerationX]

@@_Majunior so basically he's still banned till 2023, that's great, meanwhile leffen is trying to ban hbox and no one bats an eye lmao I can't I just can't

[@_Majunior]

@@EmaDgenerationX yeah man I don't get it why or how leffen gets away with what he does. People just write it off as "oh that's just leffen being leffen". Personally I hope he keeps his conviction and plays different games next year and leaves melee

[@TheRagefires]

Leffen is such a baby, always has been

[@The_Mad_Regent]

And likely always will be.

[@heartnet40]

The fact that even the TO's and other top players were shitting on Leffen for this is a *HUGE* turn in the tides for Melee. This would never have happened at his peak. The scene has always babied Leffen even when he's being a poor sport, but now even the TO's are getting tired of him stepping on toes. This is something that would have got Melee cronies seriously talking some few years ago but instead everyone is calling his shitty attitude for what it is. Bless, I hope the fucking loser does quit. It'd almost be as hype as Amsa finally winning a major.

[@Saved___]

Leffen complaining for 10 minutes after that set prolonging the set even further. Idk what legacy he wants to leave but he's developing into a scrubqoute generator so I guess he's ready for full time FGC content 💀

[@Boogieboy138]

Even if they changed the ruleset, Leffen would still find something new to complain or John about.

[@puff6796]

"HE JUMPED TOO MUCH!!!!! ADD A 20 JUMP LIMIT ONLY FOR EVERYONE BUT MEEEEEEEEE" --him probably

[@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong]

Bet, he'd ask for a rest limit so you can't use the "Oh so op 1 hit kill move"

[@garydunham335]

"You don't want puff to be able to air camp? Like, jump?" lmfaooo