Ludwig Reacts To I took Ninja's Masterclass and it ruined my life By Drew Gooden

[@ludwigverse384]

i edit and upload clips from ludwig's streams here, most of the time reactions, as i see that a lot of people find it much easier that way. Feel free to stick around! please also check ludwig's channel if you haven't for some reason :3 kzbin.info/door/mbSGFM9OU8FwjxZCevr6zw and also Drew Gooden who is also awesome! kzbin.info

[@FranXiT]

Fuck it I subbed. Don't let me down bud.

[@elopezdfo]

yoshi

[@gabe_o_verse]

2:51 ❤

[@filipinoob958]

Chat is saying that Drew's Stream is cringe is missing the point. He is portraying a person who hasn't streamed ever, you know the supposed TARGET DEGMOGRAPHIC of the Masterclass. Let's say we replace Drew with some average person, did you think that person will stream as highly energetic or as insanely good as per say Ninja, Ludwig or any popular streamers are, which mind you is the promise guaranteed by the Masterclass? I'm pretty sure the stream would look the same as Drew's if not worse which is fcked cause they paid for it.

[@Keijo_]

Exactly. If Drew cared about making the stream as successful as possible, there are plenty of things he could have done differently, including using his own channel and branding, but the point was to test the advice and show how effective it would be

[@octobercowgirl]

@@Keijo_ literally!!!

[@jedimaster0667]

Exactly you nailed it! People are so ready to take shit out of context these days. The chat in this stream particularly. "Oh it's so cringe" um... Yeah? New streamers, in fact, any new content creator is cringe. Because you're getting practice being yourself on camera in front of people...? Like helllooooooooo. Not only that but yes exactly drew wanted to mimick a fresh person who knows jack shit right. Watches the master class. And attempts streaming. Because if a famous streamer makes a MASTER CLASS. People expect nuanced advice and a plan to potentially follow in order to start a small streaming career.

[@jedimaster0667]

@Judy Mwanzo To be completely fair though. Streaming to 0 viewers is a reality when you start streaming even today. And you stream to nobody because you gotta get some practice and be comfortable having a camera rolling the whole time. However, I completely agree that having a high level of energy with 0 viewers is kind of ridiculous. But at the same time you can use that footage and edit it into a youtube video or use clips and post them on instagram and tiktok and youtube shorts.

[@jedimaster0667]

@Judy Mwanzo oh okay I getchu now. Yeah absolutely. People just compare too easily and take shit out of context and don't think for once.

[@biomefest]

i don't think ludwig understood the concept of drew's video

[@annieismakingvideosonyt]

No literally

[@keithhuang1450]

legit lmao

[@volleybrawl1]

frfr lol

[@iwillcry]

Drew’s video shows how hard it is to start up streaming if you don’t have any experience, influential friends or a pre existing platform. If he continued streaming, for sure his content would evolve into something more fitting and comfortable to him.

[@Hey_Jamie]

Uh, yeah. He’s an entertainer. Entertaining is his job. He knows what he’s doing. But he literally said he just doesn’t want to, because it’s too involved.

[@iwillcry]

@@Hey_Jamie I guess my comment was aimed at Ludwig's criticism how his streams weren't entertaining enough.

[@charlesbronson2926]

@@iwillcry Lud does have a point though, but I disagree with his overall take and the fact that he watched the whole video on stream. Streaming is a different skill set than making videos. Being entertaining for 5 hours is different than making a 30 minute video, even though often times that video could take days to make and edit.

[@charlesbronson2926]

@@ikaro555 yeah, if drew wanted to get as big as possible he could easily just join KZbin streaming. He would immediately get hundreds of thousands of people interested. I think if he streamed on KZbin he would enjoy it more because he would get lots of people active and chatting, which makes things way more fun for the streamer.

[@MOONFALLx.]

@@charlesbronson2926 yeah but this masterclass was about someone new to streaming without any outside promotion or influence so i guess thats what drew was going for

[@williamtimonen6814]

I agree with your critique about how he did lots of things wrong when streaming. But considering how its likely that Ninja didnt mention those things I think thats on theme.

[@iamhereblossom1588]

That's the whole point of Drew's video. He didn't use techniques he already knew, he used techniques taught by ninja because he's evaluating/using Ninja's courses.

[@mayumigarcia9445]

@@iamhereblossom1588 EXACTLYYY

[@minacapella8319]

Yeah it's definitely intentionally. He's trying to act as if he's the lowest common denominator in terms of who might try this. Like the person who needs the most help from the series and what they'd get out of it.

[@amongdae]

Drew's stream was obviously bad on purpose bruh

[@veer9423]

Drew deserves more respect dude

[@ashleychang9023]

I feel like Ludwig has too much pride in being a streamer and got annoyed when a KZbinr tried to enter his world, especially since Drew wasn't very good at it. BUT Drew was literally basing his streamer knowledge on Ninja's class. If Drew wasn't performing well, it was because of the class. Which is why I don't understand him defending Ninja while also shitting on Drew. Like what??

[@burger9788]

Big streamers don't realise how much luck and money is required to make anything out of a streaming career

[@vitalyaloves]

@@burger9788 exactly this. the lucky ones are the ones least likely to acknowledge the luck involved

[@burger9788]

@@vitalyaloves yup Ludwig has always had a huge ego and it's only growing

[@cuddleswithdogs]

Lud has talked about how luck is a big part of streaming but it’s not just luck, it’s how prepared you are when that big moment comes. There are tons of small streamers or youtubers that suddenly gets put in the spotlight and they don’t do anything to capitalise on this and disappears from the face of the earth

[@ghulaa]

that's not the point of the video though? @@cuddleswithdogs

[@symawi312]

lud keeps defending how good ninja is at streaming while that is in no way part of the discussion, yeah ofc he's good at it he was the biggest streamer for a good bit. The thing being criticized is him phoning it with the masterclass and I personally thought that was extremely obvious from the original video

[@annieismakingvideosonyt]

Exactly!! The point of drew’s video is how ninja is basically advertising that if you just spend 200 dollars you can be as good as him, when that’s not at all true. Tried to give lud the benefit of the doubt but he completely missed the point!

[@damienearl8302]

Exactly! I think the only somewhat negative thing he said in that way was that Ninja isn't exactly the *best* streamer in his opinion, but they do just good enough to be iconic The literal point of the video is that Ninja made this class for people just starting out in the streaming game, but not taking into consideration what it's like to...start out in the streaming game, seemingly just doing the bare minimum for social media agents just off screen directing him on what new things he should do as a celebrity

[@allcatch]

im both of their fans here, but drew was hilarious and i feel like the video just flew over ludwigs' head, drew wasnt criticizing ninjas streaming skill, he was trying to mock ninjas whole masterclass scam. confused about the defensive reaction too :/

[@1024BenZ]

Drew's right about Ninja's masterclass though. What it lacked was education into things that you couldn't get just from watching his stream. If he delved more into the technical side of things it would've been a lot better, like what's important in a streaming PC build, what kind of upload speed you need from your internet to stream smoothly at high quality, what settings work best in OBS, how to setup various graphics and add-ins like StreamLabs, pros and cons of streaming on Twitch vs. KZbin...

[@jedimaster0667]

Exactly!!! This is all information real stream educators like Senpai Gaming and Katliente have covered. It just goes to show how out of touch Ninja is with the rest of the community. And I feel like Ludwig was defending Ninja too much out of the gate. If you ask your audience to go out and pay for an education from YOU. It better be well researched and well thought out.

[@figlemon]

@@jedimaster0667 Imagine if you’re friend made a video series that someone else was criticizing, no you don’t have to hold it up to the standard of God, but you’re not just gonna be like, “ya know what, this is utter trash.” Also, at no point in the stream did Ludwig tell anyone to take the class. Ludwigs take on the masterclass was also on the side of negativity, just not as far as Drew Gooden’s stance.

[@kylie3544]

Why is Ludwig so salty during this. Like his attitude seems so weird and out of nowhere.

[@roymarthkirby428]

Lud sounds like a Ninja stan. I get that you've met irl and you used to watch him but Lud's bias is palpable; nearly refuting every negative statement about Ninja in some way.

[@doobydoba]

ikr? very strange

[@nickazrael]

he probably felt called out or something just like xqc react

[@olojondro73]

You all took it too seriously. It almost seems like this entire comment section aren't Ludwig viewers.

[@sahejsodhi5909]

@@olojondro73 yeah because they are drew stans who are just going around youtube shitting on people not agreeing with him

[@BrookeeTee]

Bro get off your knees for like 10 seconds and maybe you’ll find the humor in this purposely comedic video

[@casperryborg4869]

Brooke coming in with the SAVAGE burn!

[@Infurnace6699]

Why is the vibe on lugwig so negative, like he usually has a chill vibe but it seems like he was so on the defense in this video

[@figlemon]

Because that’s his take on the video?

[@Infurnace6699]

@@figlemon But like why though, Drew isn't talking about him. As well as the things Drew is saying isn't wrong. Ninja did a shitty thing with the masterclass. It's like when Logan Paul tried to pull the same shit with his how to become an influencer course. Is Lugwig really that BIG of a Ninja stan that even when Ninja is in the wrong and is being called out for it. He will still try and defend Ninja to the point of even insulting Drew for just stating facts? Or is there some another reason because the first reason just makes Lugwig lowkey look like a shitty person for defending an obviously shitty action lowkey.

[@leobe2104]

Some ppl said he's a Ninja fanboy

[@wubbinz]

@@figlemon bro is a die-hard ludwig simp

[@First-name.Last-name]

i'm sorry but ludwig saying "he's probably dogshit" after drew jokes about his streak in geoguesser is certainly a choice because like... that's the whole joke

[@kooberrie]

ikr? like, where did that comment come from...?

[@leobe2104]

Why are twitch streamers so fucking toxic

[@olojondro73]

Lud was joking too lmfao

[@annajane7860]

@@olojondro73 based on the rest of the reaction… was he though? was an asshole the whole way through

[@casperryborg4869]

But he said it with such a serious tone. So I think it was because he didn't catch Drews sarcastic tone with that comment.

[@gnm4]

Ludwig is really hesitant on criticizing Ninja at all. Kindaaa cringe

[@figlemon]

Idk bro, I try not to publicly diss my personal connections, but that’s just me.

[@genericname8727]

@@figlemon idk why watch a video that’s obviously going to be criticising him if you’re not open to it tbh. He could’ve chosen not to watch the video

[@ZerepCire]

I get weird vibes from lud when is slandering drew lol

[@figlemon]

I think slandering is a bit harsh. He’s a big stream that relates far greater to Ninja than Drew Gooden, and is backing what he thinks. Ludwig was also on Gooden’s side, just not nearly as negative. The only time you could say Ludwig abhorrently “slanders” Gooden is when he calls Gooden’s 24 hour stream boring, which is a subjective take.

[@Infurnace6699]

@@figlemon and when he called him dogshit at geoguesser out of no where which to me seemed so random and unnecessary especially when he had to point out he was talking about Drew and not the other guy.

[@Acceleration50]

@@Infurnace6699 Not to mention Drew saying his best state streak was 5 and then 6 was clearly just a joke.

[@markvieyra9950]

@@Infurnace6699 I thought that was just a joke. Like how anyone playing a game and is insecure would just say everyone dogshit expect themselves. He only clarified so chat didn’t spam about how the other guy is super good and that Lud should watch him. Just a harmless joke.

[@Infurnace6699]

@@markvieyra9950 okay so I don't watch Ludwig much so correct me if I'm wrong but from videos of him like reacting to tiktok and other things. He seems like the kind of guy to always laugh at his own jokes, I didn't hear no laugh, not even a chuckle or giggle, he didn't even SMILE, his face was DEAD SEROIUS. Now I'm pretty sure whenever someone makes a rude seeming joke about someone else, they usually show one of those signs to let people know they are joking especially someone outgoing and a social butterfly like Ludwig. Another thing as well is Ludwig seems like the type of guy to only make those kind of jokes about his friends. I have NEVER seen him until this video make fun(jokingly or not) of another content creator he doesn't know or is close to. So if you have proof or something that proves me wrong about anything I said, send them my way.

[@doobydoba]

Am I the only one that thinks he missed the point? Drew wasn't trying to show how he would stream rather how an average person that watches the masterclass might. Hence he didn't post it on the community tab as well. because someone or the other would be able to recognise him.

[@wubbinz]

i almost didnt recognize ludwig

[@666tris]

Ludwig makes it so easy not to like him, just when I was enjoying the video/reaction he started ego boosting himself out of nowhere, probably because he couldn't think of anything to add. Bro was literally backseating Drew, saying things he could've done when the whole point is for Drew to follow only what Ninja had taught him. Then shitting on Drew for being bad at geoguessr just made him look so insecure. Glad I had this post-quarantine clarity of who these streamers who I used to watch are. Instead of having a good time this just made me feel bad.

[@doolioart3314]

That was insane, yeah. "let's follow the course and see if it's good or bad" -nah man, you shouldn't have just followed the course lol, big mistake, btw why are you saying the course is bad when you didn't do 84 things outside the course that a beginner wouldn't know?

[@666tris]

@@doolioart3314 yup, I mean I get he was trying to entertain but it was just so unnecessary to disrespect Drew out of nowhere in front of his chat, idk if he's kidding or they're friends but it's pretty lame to just shit talk the guy he's using for content just to seem smart to his audience.

[@doolioart3314]

@@666tris That seems like vested interest to me, I don't think it's possible to miss Drew's entire point.

[@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem]

@@doolioart3314 while that is true, not everyone will do that especially ninja's idiot kid stans which a lot of his audience are and might get tricked by that. drew even pointed it out that he got more knowledge by searching in google than what ninja said in his overpriced masterclass. his point is also that is he is acting like a person who doesnt have atleast single idea how to stream but is a huge fan of ninja and want to be successful in streaming like ninja. thats why he bought his masterclass, which the only thing he will follow since again he doesnt know how unlike ninja who is supposedly going to teach him. also ninja even taught something about 'internet-lingo' like that matters more than literally any other things (streamdeck, make a stream overlay, etc.)

[@doolioart3314]

@@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem I am confused, you seem to agree with me, but you start with "while that is true"... and then everything you wrote supports what I wrote:) Or am I missing something?

[@charlesbronson2926]

I feel like drew deserves more respect from Ludwig. This video was awesome, and here Ludwig is “reacting” to it cause he doesn’t have other stuff to fill up his stream time. And as for the title being clickbait, are there any Ludwig videos that AREN’T click bait? I shouldn’t care this much, but come on the hypocrisy and smugness are radiating

[@ludwigverse384]

I kinda agree with that, i like drew just as much and that felt a bit of an overreaction

[@cairo2684]

Bro atleast he is adding stuff to the video and adding insight. That is proven because even though Drew’s video was 37 mins, this video is 1 hour. Ludwig added of 23 mins of content to the video. Second, there are many other streamers like Xqc that react to content without saying anything, sometimes they aren’t even present in the stream and are just playing the video to fill. Also, Ludwig didn’t post his reaction, this youtube channel did so it’s not like he’s milking views off of someone else’s content. Finally, have you watched any of Ludwig’s videos? He actually doesn’t clickbait that often, look at his recent videos and tell me if the title of his videos are clickbait. Yeah there might be slight exaggerations in the title but they definitely aren’t enough to be labled as clickbait. I’m not saying Ludwig is right for reacting to this video and that it’s ok (In fact I think he is slightly in the wrong), I’m just saying that he probably did it the best possible way. P.S. I do not mean to belittle you with this reply I’m just trying to give perspective. Sorry if I offend you in any way. Also, I just noticed I wrote an essay in the middle of the night and am contemplating life decisions so goodnight.

[@charlesbronson2926]

@@cairo2684 you can't look at the length of the video to say how much content there was. If someone sat still at their desk for a few minutes, would you call that content? If you were to just cut this video to show lud's words it would be pretty boring. Ludwig streamed himself watching drew's video, showing the whole video, and got donations and channel memberships while doing so. He still profitted off of it even if he didn't post the highlights to youtube himself. But that's just it, the highlights that big react streamers post on their own channels are usually edited to show themselves contributing and satisfying "fair use". It's not fair use when they stream the whole video, that's just theft.

[@chocoberry6501]

@@charlesbronson2926 daph39 has watched so many of Drew's videos that it became a little infuriating bc it feels like she has no content. Hasan also did this and left the video on and left 🤦‍♀️ I don't watch streamers a lot but knowing that a lot of them stream this way is annoying asf they don't have content so they watch other people's content and sit there and make comments

[@charlesbronson2926]

@@chocoberry6501 preach! I had to tell KZbin to stop recommending her videos, and fan edits

[@charlesbronson2926]

One thing that’s been pointed out in a few comment sections (everyone decided to react to this video on stream) is that this shows how dogshit twitch is at exposure. Tik tok would have recommended him to everyone, but with twitch discover ability is neigh impossible.

[@Hey_Jamie]

I get the exact same people in my recommended every single time. And there will always be at least one lingerie girl, even though I follow literally no one in that genre

[@DaniTheBunni]

​@@Hey_Jamiesame, twitch loves putting body painters on my main page

[@Sk8lyn]

When lud said "he's probably dogshit" to drew's geoguesser streak of 5... Ya babe thats the point xoxo

[@The_Memer6969]

Exactly, He totally missed the joke.

[@Hey_Jamie]

23:00 if only Lud knew that that’s literally what it’s like when you watch smaller streamers. They do that all the time

[@Sadie-rai]

yeah I used to watch a really small streamer like tops 20 viewers 10 chatters for a really good stream and they checked in with the regulars every stream

[@richardbolas]

@@Sadie-rai every streamer with less than like 30 viewers and that streams consistently does that, especially the 5-15 range

[@figlemon]

I think Ludwig is saying that in the sense of rebutting Drew’s jokes about it. Like how Drew went, “how’s the dog, oh you don’t have one? Well get one.” But also, it’s very likely that Ludwig could just be too big and out of touch.

[@melopilled]

love lud but drew is just so good & funny lol

[@ailyvn]

Yeah

[@Colecruzin]

On god he’s way more funny than lud and I like Ludwig a lot

[@yump6429]

Big fan of Lud and Drew. Ludwig dropped the ball on this.

[@dravenfm]

oh god, now scared to watch this video.

[@shalev.]

@@dravenfm I read the comments beforehand and I was scared too. I dont even watch Ludwig and I love drew, but it's really not that bad if you don't take Ludwig that seriously

[@SoftTangerineDreams]

Love Drew and like Ludwig, but Lud just completely missed the point of Drew's video

[@RhayaderGoesToTown]

I expected at least some relevant critique or anything at all of substance. But this is just some guy rambling for an hour about irrelevant things and barely even addressing (“reacting”) to what Drew is saying. Just very weak and boring.

[@poshdelux]

Drew is comedic gold.

[@aegen8101]

why's he so salty lol drew deserves more respect

[@maz1866]

If anyone wants to see a more positive react Toast loved Drew’s video lol

[@CertifiedOutcast]

Thanks! It's kind of disappointing to watch this one

[@The_Memer6969]

Thanks bro .

[@Mesk-gz1hn]

I didn't realize Ludwig was cringe. Good to know.

[@flyingtempura4926]

i think everyone hating on drew's video and saying its cringe is missing drew's point. Ninja's masterclass does not really teach you anything about streaming. especially if you're a new streamer.

[@nickazrael]

both lud and xqc felt insecure about this video lmao

[@rosa_stars349]

Lud saying he hasn’t watched the video while the red bar was there LULW

[@CGingerbreadman]

Sometimes you can click on a video and watch just a few seconds, and KZbin will show a full red bar as if you’ve watched the whole thing.

[@irine_elle]

There was a trick. If you skipped to the end and then rewatched it wouldn't show you mid-section ads. He has premium but the habit never stops i guess.

[@blake8838]

Lud missed with this one

[@BrandonWestfall]

My favorite part is him saying to always talk to chat. Once he got even the smallest amount of fame Tyler tossed on sub mode indefinitely then completely ignored chat.

[@nicholaspollack3905]

so funny that ludwig talks about how ninja lost his relatability and he compares it to comedians when drew literally has an entire video about that subject

[@Hey_Jamie]

He didn’t watch the video, yet the progress bar was all the way across the bottom. Aight.

[@rosa_stars349]

Facts lol

[@volleybrawl1]

Sometimes for me if I click on a video and leave after like 5sec, and search back to it later, it’ll show a full red bar at the bottom for whatever reason. Maybe that’s what happened

[@CGingerbreadman]

@@volleybrawl1 Lol, I just commented this same thing on someone else’s comment. That happens to me all the time.

[@rll1236]

this happens to me all the time....

[@yourstruly9013]

Lud gets so exacerbated giving advice to Drew like it should have been obvious for him to keep playing smaller games instead of fortnite, when the entire point of the video is that he didn't know these things, and Ninja's masterclass never taught him the basics.

[@bananabrain2996]

I haven't watched ludwig before but genuinely can't tell if he thought the title was serious/ trying to be misleading and not just a joke

[@monkeyprodigy161]

It is just a joke, of course.

[@The_Memer6969]

​@@monkeyprodigy161 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@TheSickGman09]

Eddy Burback is one of the best streamers Ludwig needs to stop that slander

[@christopherlopez5860]

Sum people don't understand Drew's point in making this video and it really shows.

[@johnwiese6760]

I feel like ludwig watched the video as a critic and streamer instead of as a dude I thought it was hilarious

[@figlemon]

I think when it’s an analysis video like Drew’s, Ludwig feels as if he’s expected to watch as a critic. If it was a TikTok compilation, that’s when he’s just a dude.

[@Richardparra_og]

@@figlemon 🤡🤡🤡

[@johnwiese6760]

@@Richardparra_og ???

[@jess3452]

I didnt really have much of an opinion about Ludwig until now but I think it’s telling that he keeps defending ninja’s dogshit masterclass lmao. You’d think hed catch on after reacting to a 37 min video for at least an hour but i guess not☠️ He def doesn’t pass the vibe check for me but Thanks for uploading tho! :)

[@ilovemehshitposts4534]

“I’ve never watched this video” full red bar

[@synthiandrakon]

The thing about supporting other small streamers is that not only can it help you grow but more realistically it's a great way to make freinds, so even when you fail at becoming a big streamer at least you have new buddies

[@SaketTagade123]

It's funny how Ludwig's stream and drew Gooden's video was more insightful than $180 masterclass

[@mayumigarcia9445]

i’ll be honest, i used to love lud and watch him like everyday but i feel like lately i can’t watch him if he’s not collabing lol 😭 he’s just… idk, pessimistic? no shade, he’s extremely entertaining and good at what he does! i think i just can’t get used to his style anymore? idk 🤷🏻 i still like watching him every now and then. maybe i’m just being biased because i love drew and have for years and lud, who isn’t used to his humor, isn’t reading into it correctly. idkidk. word vomiting at 2am ig, lol

[@dannydethanos6994]

Im dying 😂 while he was talking about KZbinrs doing streaming awfully some chatter said “yeah I saw this guy Ludwig once”

[@ellusiv5121]

Ludwig's hair is looking kinda blue today.

[@randomassname_]

Ludwig was pretty weird on this one, seemed like he missed the whole point

[@anxiousdumpling5041]

i’m gonna go watch toast’s reaction as a pallet cleanser

[@liampbjray5562]

"I have never watched this video" The red bar....

[@robmonkey]

Drew > Ludwig

[@jwm1444]

Drew is definitely using the whole bird to point out how ridiculous this all is, but this very accurately reflects someone who is trying to be Ninja without any of the intangibles that make Ninja good at what he does.

[@rue.diohead810]

i loved drew’s video, the yogurt and oatmeal time songs and the drama of the blue hair had me HOWLING when i first watched it (also i feel like ludwig just did not get that he wanted to do this the way a normal person who is not already popular on the internet would. he didn’t want people to watch ‘because he’s drew gooden’)

[@meowmeowmeow16]

...do people really make commentary videos on commentary videos?

[@figlemon]

Yes, and it’s been done before Ludwig was born, and will be done far after.

[@AverageWaffleEnthusiast]

I would call it more of a reaction video since it’s not scripted and… a bit… lack luster

[@steadyrhythms9571]

yeah if you think Drew’s stream is bad or whatever maybe start watching your friends’ vods or even your own. i know someone who has been trying to stream for almost two years and i tuned into her stream and she just had music on, no face cam, and didn’t talk for like ten minutes while cueing up a valorant match. and she wants to be a famous streamer. people just don’t get it at all lmao.

[@figlemon]

Yeah, the difference is that even though Drew had a big following on KZbin, clearly the fanbase didn’t want to transition due to a lack of time/platform issues, or that the stream didn’t keep their interest like the normal content Drew makes. Ludwig and his friends streams, while they may be uninteresting to you, clearly are entertaining to their target demographic and are very successful. You’re friend who wants to be a streamer is just living in a daydream tbh. It’s like 8 years olds who want to be Michael Jordan so they play once a month.

[@steadyrhythms9571]

@@figlemon don’t get me wrong i think ludwig is still great and interesting and one of the best streamers, as are his friends. they’re certainly very creative as well. also to be clear about Drew’s streaming endeavors, no one in his fanbase knew he was doing this or else he’d probably get at least 1000 viewers first stream. his point was to show that truly starting out from square one and just simply gaming with ninja’s recommendations proved to be unfruitful. and yeah my friend is definitely dreaming a bit but more in a greed way. she really just wants to be rich and famous lol. i actually really haven’t been friends with her for a while now but that’s not worth explaining.

[@genericname8727]

​@@figlemon Drew deliberately used a username that wouldn’t be easily traced back to him and didn’t promote the stream. He was trying to see whether he could grow following Ninja’s advice. If he’d told his viewers he was streaming then some would’ve obviously tuned in. He only had two people comment in chat the entire time he streamed because those were the only people who found him organically, and they weren’t his prior fans. Part of what Drew’s videos show is that it’s hard to even get discovered on Twitch. It doesn’t really matter how interesting your content is if nobody is getting recommended to give it a chance. If there’d been many people tuning in then clicking off it’d be another story, but hardly anyone clicked on to the stream for even a moment.

[@ultimatedumbass4640]

@@figlemon None of his fanbase knew Drew was streaming at the time. He did that on purpose to emulate somebody streaming for the first time without a fanbase.

[@10plate]

@@figlemon nah people didn’t watch his stream bc he didn’t tell any of his fan base that he was going to stream on twitch... thought that was pretty obvious lmfao

[@submariene]

i could not even watch this video. it feels kinda infuriating just reading through the comments.

[@jedimaster0667]

Ok I get what Ludwig is saying at 27:00 but... What I hate more than anything in content creation education is when someone advises on luck. Ludwig is obviously knowledgeable beyond this and he is still right to be ready for a moment to capitalize on. But this is not reliable, it's not consistent and it doesn't align with the majority of new streamer's goals. Yes it would be nice to be Ninja famous. But I think any self respecting newcomer to streaming just wants to have a decent sized community that isn't absolute garbage and will help them find corporate money in order to pay rent.

[@symawi312]

But.. finding all that is very luck dependent? I understand that you don't think it's good advise but it's literally just the truth of the occupation. There's little you can actionable do that ensures getting a decent sized community, that community not being garbage and then finding corporate money. The best advice is just trying till you get lucky I don't see what you would want him to say

[@jedimaster0667]

@@symawi312 I see where you're coming from. Many of the things we're discussing do have luck factors. But there are actionable things you can do. For one thing. You can't just stream. You have to have at least one other social media platform in addition to streaming. And if you are taking a shot in the dark with little plans. You have to be ready to keep doing what works. And if nothing works. Developing a plan based on what already works is important. Whether it's education or entertainment, comedy, DIY, etc. Having a posting schedule and practice and research is important. That's all actionable. While what Drew showed/summarized Ninja's class says, is the class says "just stream and be entertaining". Which is out of touch with how things work today. There is a luck factor. But you can't just turn on stream and put your hours in anymore. You can't just post to social media, text or video, once in a while or even everyday and expect results. But I agree that once you have your own unique plan for your unique approach. After that it's just consistency and luck.

[@hiidupiidu3292]

Lying about not having watched the video before? Dirty dirtyy

[@dh.9752]

Lud is such a cornball in this one

[@Lyghfe]

Ludwig: Parasocial Andys are kinda cringe Also Ludwig: Ey, yo! If you remember that my dog just had his wisdom teeth removed; that'd be kiiinda cute do!

[@beanzontoastye]

Bruh xqc is the biggest streamer and he barely talks

[@beanzontoastye]

I was thinking this when lud was talking about KZbin streamers at the beginning

[@zoep5208]

Does Ludwig think that eddys note near the end was serious? Because he reads it like Drew faked them playing fortnight together.

[@christiankim6864]

Ludwig: KZbinrs that try to stream r terrible. They jus play w their friends and ignore college girls Also Ludwig: reads like 4 comments in a hour long video (minimum effort responding to them) otherwise only ever speaking when he giving his opinion on some random shit. And then showing the wrong ninja & not noticing his chat blowing up

[@daseinz]

Bro the biggest streamers spend 80% of their streaming watching KZbin content. There isn't much to it other than being live.

[@peachyjoon6673]

I feel like this dude doesn’t understand how commentary videos work. And also is Ninja’s biggest fan ever and therefore can’t criticize a single tiny thing about him.

[@Colecruzin]

As someone who is a big drew fan he is a big RuneScape boy he says in a couple vids of him talking about how he got scammed of all his in game credits

[@Good_Comms]

What’s interesting is that while Ninja was at the peak and shortly after he was describing the amount of work and gritty stuff he had to do to blow up. He always referenced the number of hours he had streamed for 8 years before then. And also when fortnite released and Ninja started getting any notable amount of viewership he told his community he needed more financial support to keep playing the game, not necessarily guilting the chat to donate, but creating some form of pressure on a growing community to keep feeding him y’know

[@chesterparish3794]

Drew is one of the best. His video is great.

[@walkintobrickwallsfordays8756]

I prefer drews videos when other people arent talking over them

[@animalcrossing7475]

i like watching ludwig, but i must say this is an embarrassing entry for r/woooosh. also not him trying to call someone else out for clickbait LOL

[@TenTonNuke]

"I've never watched this video." Red bar under thumbnail shows entire video was previously watched.

[@Settings_YouTube-1]

"I never watched this video" Full red watched bar...lol

[@aguscravero]

I dont appreciate that he intentionally made it seem like what eddy said was true when it was actually a joke. Idk, felt really manipulative

[@hospitalgal101]

The comment that says "the bar says you've already watched this" 😂 my hero

[@Violant3]

i don't like the assumption of "youturbers are bad streamers" paymoneywubby started as a youtuber before becoming basically a full time streamer, and he's one of the best, always creating new game shows and different streams

[@figlemon]

I think it many cases it’s a fair assumption to make. There’s a ton of youtubers who can take their existing content and smoothly transition it to streaming and hold their fanbase. There’s also KZbinrs who are really creative and can come up with new ideas that revolve around their demographics interest. But most of the time, the content doesn’t transition well to streaming, the quality isn’t as high as what’s expected from KZbin videos, or that the KZbinr isn’t accustomed to the high energy of streaming. In Gooden’s case, if he went back to streaming using his main stream, it’d be weird to watch a 5 hours unedited uncut analysis of someone else’s content like he did with the Ninja video. If he went out of his target demographic’s primary interests and did stuff like runescape gameplay, without creative ideas and high energy, only the people who are really big fans of Drew would stick around. They’d either be uninterested in the different content or they’d assume they could find the same content at a higher quality somewhere else. This is not a diss towards Drew, but it’s just how many KZbinrs fail the transition. Paymoneywubby’s content was able to make a smooth transition. He has a bright personality, can hold the energy, and come up with creative ideas to hold people’s attention.

[@HH-le1vi]

it's a completely different thing in itself. YT you can be scripted as you can and it'll look good. when you stream there is no plan and no way to stay on one. you have to be completely reactive as everything is happening.

[@anxiousdumpling5041]

@FigLemon i’m seeing you in almost every reply dude jfc

[@PurpleSnappingTurtle]

why did he read eddy's notes app joke like it was serious 💀

[@christmastiger]

Between his talk at the end and his appearance on the Fear & podcast I'm thinking Ludwig will say whatever age he is at the time is youthful and not ready for adult life yet

[@cratty16]

I love how Ludwig is filling in the gaps for all of Ninjas lesson's. Like actually providing the resources and where to go lol. Might as well add this video to the Master class. Or have Ludwig have his own master class

[@The_Memer6969]

Just like Ludwig said, I don't think twitch streamers can be teachers.He already gives his experience and tips through his streams.

[@iiDefyGravity]

Yeah I think Drew's point went right over Luds head.

[@abdullahali3880]

1:00 yeah same thing could be said to streamers trying youtube

[@casperryborg4869]

I do agree with you. I will however also say that you won't get ANYTHING out of commenting something rational. Ludwig is without a doubt that sorta person who only takes their own opinion, and don't seek knowledge or advice amongst others unless absolutely necessary, so I recommend that you only watch his content when you're interested in what he has to say.

[@amanofculture4845]

here the joke was that someone who named himself eddy burback in fortnite joined him...

[@chocoberry6501]

Where's the joke?

[@tijmen6947]

Good to see the Ludwig Industrial Complex pick up steam

[@jimmyjack1276]

Ludwig was pretty reasonable and finding the video funny but you can really tell that there was a grey area in his mood after the 25-30 minute mark of this video.

[@zynthio]

It hasn’t even been a thousand years since Columbus sailed across the ocean and found South America. Barely a thousand years since Leif Erikson set foot in the americas. and ninja thinks his master class on streaming, which I only learned exists because of this video, will be watched a millennia from now

[@happyyyoung]

Is drew a RuneScape head? Pshh you don't even know lol

[@annakepes8050]

smh fake fan

[@daseinz]

A million dollar question.

[@gewidydr1118]

I love toast's reaction to this

[@mrbulby5888]

this is like the inception of content reaction/plagerism/idk you got drew react to ninja then ludwig react to drew then this dude take ludwigs vod and upload it

[@kayla-ex5dz]

love lud but this stream rubbed me the wrong way

[@cookinwithjake]

Is it just me or has Lud gone Hollywood all of a sudden?

[@lillillillillllillliiillli1800]

Found myself skipping Ludwig throughout the entire video. This drew guy is 100x better lol

[@NicoKaneo]

I love how he "didn't watch it" yet the red bar is completely full on the video. XD

[@pterocardio]

ive watched drews og video so many times but im glad i watched this one cause i always liked hellofresh but didnt know they were anti union... damn

[@blankspace0000]

Masterclass is essentially an extended behind the scenes. Fucked up that they market themselves as an educational platform but if you know going in that you aren't actually going to learn anything, it is fun to just watch a little documentary on your favourite creator. Definitely not worth $180 tho didn't know they had changed the pricing so much.

[@eliasvonbrille]

I love the thought of a KZbinr with over 4 million subscribers struggling for weeks to get a single Viewer just because he didn't promote his Stream. Really shows you how powerful marketing is. This guy could have had thousands of Viewers permanently on a single click basically without doing anything different. Imagine you scroll through Twitch and just find a Famous Online Personality with 0 Viewers begging you to watch his Stream for 3 seconds longer.

[@TheLinguistable]

me halfway through this video-"Oh wait...I thought *this* guy was Ninja." my brother-"No blue hair, Julie." 😂

[@LiilYogurt]

I like that Ludwig mentioned there's an expected level of audio/visual quality for streams/videos. I hate the rhetoric that so many people like to say "oh you can start content creation on anything, you don't need a good setup, you just need a good idea", that might have been true like 6 years ago but now the space is so saturated if your webcam or mic are a lower quality than average, people will just go to one of the other thousand streamers live at the moment.

[@PeepersonCreedo]

Ludwig - People buy stuff for the wrong reasons, they just buy it cause streamers have it Also Ludwig- Here’s a website that shows you every little detail of what gear a streamer has

[@llamalord5644]

Wait wtf, how did he know I have a dog?

[@Lancer07]

maybe change to "Ludverse?"