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NBA on ESPN

Күн бұрын

Brian Windhorst is joined by ESPN's Tim MacMahon and Kevin Pelton to react to another huge performance from Luka & Kyrie to put the Mavs on the brink of a Finals appearance, Dallas putting all the pieces together at the right time, the Celtics taking down the Pacers and what a potential Finals matchup would look like.
0:00 Intro
1:30 Luka & Kyrie Push Dallas To Win
15:00 Mavs Peaking At Right Time
32:45 State Of The Eastern Conference Finals
40:35 What Might These Finals Look Like?
40:30 Any Way These Series Get Extended?
48:42 Thanks For Watching!
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@TheGarciaKidd
@TheGarciaKidd 20 күн бұрын
THEY FORCED ANT ON US, WHEN WE HAD LUKA ALL ALONG.
@ic4coldmilk516
@ic4coldmilk516 21 күн бұрын
Brian is hurting seeing Luka win.
@Big_AL_Nowitzki
@Big_AL_Nowitzki 21 күн бұрын
ANT FACE OF THE LEAGUE 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@saige_za
@saige_za 21 күн бұрын
Chill bro 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@letsgobrandon1906
@letsgobrandon1906 21 күн бұрын
And now you’re a whole ant hater because of the media when he didn’t ask for that🤡
@filipcaric5061
@filipcaric5061 21 күн бұрын
​@@letsgobrandon1906 he sure was very cocky regardless. Waving off the Denver crowd, now hes being waves off
@saiwaqa2573
@saiwaqa2573 21 күн бұрын
​@@letsgobrandon1906he a front runner fr he deserves to be humbled.
@ashamsthomas2490
@ashamsthomas2490 21 күн бұрын
​@@letsgobrandon1906he sure did. "I handcuffed Murray, I got Kyrie next" what do you call that?
@l00neyville
@l00neyville 21 күн бұрын
Lets go Dallas! :) Hope for Derreck Lively II a speedy recovery.
@kauffmann101
@kauffmann101 21 күн бұрын
Yes, Lively too crucial to Mavs. You can see while he 's down ,the Mavs defense with an impact appeared and also with less options on offense
@victorvic4659
@victorvic4659 21 күн бұрын
Woj reported tests are ok. He will be good for Finals
@benpmorris24
@benpmorris24 21 күн бұрын
Self proclaimed “Greatest Shooting Big” shot 0-8 on 3pts 😂😂😂😂.
@4kyle7
@4kyle7 21 күн бұрын
Love to see it😂😂
@Flexorcist3030
@Flexorcist3030 21 күн бұрын
The whole Mavs took that personally, Dirk included lol
@SmoothCriminalxD
@SmoothCriminalxD 20 күн бұрын
​@Flexorcist3030 I don't think any nba player takes him seriously. Guy looked like he would have cried if he had to look at the reporters in the eyes while making excuses about his bad night.
@Flexorcist3030
@Flexorcist3030 20 күн бұрын
@@SmoothCriminalxD you know Luka petty like that😅 but i get you
@andrewholland853
@andrewholland853 20 күн бұрын
Bro he changed the game, ok watch ur mouth 😂
@TheJose8a
@TheJose8a 21 күн бұрын
What’s not talked about more is how after Ant had his run in the 3rd, he disappeared. Had 4 points in the 4th, 2 of those at the end when it was over
@dominick742
@dominick742 20 күн бұрын
Media afraid to critique ant because the nba agenda
@gabriel-uc1uz
@gabriel-uc1uz 21 күн бұрын
Let us not forget Windy and the Tims all picked Dallas to lose to OKC and T-Wolves.
@lakritz1987
@lakritz1987 21 күн бұрын
Nothing wrong with being wrong , if you are willing to admit it
@saige_za
@saige_za 21 күн бұрын
Luka deserved MVP , he just gets better every year
@kspence98
@kspence98 21 күн бұрын
He’s only 25 so he’s not even hit his prime yet which is effing crazy!!
@jacobalcala1972
@jacobalcala1972 21 күн бұрын
@@kspence98he’s been playing professionally since the age of 13. May not have been the NBA but he’s been playing against dudes bigger and more “experienced” than him for awhile. So the pressure of big games isn’t necessarily there for him.
@NL361
@NL361 21 күн бұрын
He aint even the best player on his own team rn 😭
@foundationsyth9825
@foundationsyth9825 21 күн бұрын
​@@NL361 go leave the country bro. We have enough retards in America already
@natedunn3933
@natedunn3933 21 күн бұрын
nah and winning a chip doesn't change that this is a regular season award. try again next year
@TheKovalsci
@TheKovalsci 20 күн бұрын
But Windy, you could SWEAR Ant was gonna be the next face of the league???? What happened????
@lobokop69
@lobokop69 21 күн бұрын
all eyes on Luka, windy? I thought you don't like his face and you suffer watching him?
@Joeshiesty286
@Joeshiesty286 21 күн бұрын
Remember, KEVIN PELTON gave the Mavs A D- FOR THE KYRIE TRADE 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@natedunn3933
@natedunn3933 21 күн бұрын
🥱 yeah they have overcome unnecessarily risky trade. good on them! but let's attempt some nuance for a half second
@Nice-sm5hr
@Nice-sm5hr 20 күн бұрын
@@natedunn3933what do you actually have to say other than “stop celebrating”
@natedunn3933
@natedunn3933 20 күн бұрын
@@Nice-sm5hr re-read that comment. mavs fans can celebrate all day long. happy for them. its just silly to only do it through the lens of "haters". KP made a fair in-the-moment assessment of the trade. mavs overcame it (with other trades too).
@nathanblackburn6221
@nathanblackburn6221 21 күн бұрын
Ant saying “I got KI” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeah you got him alright 😂😂😂😂😂
@derricklove1225
@derricklove1225 21 күн бұрын
Brian hates Luka & kyrie. You can tell his body language, he so uninterested whenever he has to talk about the mavs 😂.
@forgetful3360
@forgetful3360 21 күн бұрын
Stupid comment revealing your immaturity.
@martyc1960
@martyc1960 20 күн бұрын
He's probably the most unbiased nba journalist with a national audience. Most cover specific teams. Former players can't hide their ego or try to maintain relevancy with outlandish takes. WOJ is bought and paid for by the owners. Shams is devoted to the players first. Windy gives objective opinions on lbj and bronny even though his career was magnified covering lebron. You're barking up the wrong tree, my friend.
@unconditionalLove1
@unconditionalLove1 20 күн бұрын
He said Kyrie, a right handed player, is the best left handed finisher in the league lol. That is not hate
@martyc1960
@martyc1960 20 күн бұрын
@unconditionalLove1 This is the podcast I come to for information, not affirmation.
@bns434
@bns434 20 күн бұрын
Yup . He was so happy to talk about the knicks, Timberwolves 😂😂
@hanswurst5433
@hanswurst5433 21 күн бұрын
Ant still better than Luka? Windy is such a clown
@natashakuzmanoska9656
@natashakuzmanoska9656 21 күн бұрын
I think Wendy can not stand Luka - no idea why - but have been obviously for a while.
@WesJenkins518
@WesJenkins518 21 күн бұрын
He's a loser
@natashakuzmanoska9656
@natashakuzmanoska9656 21 күн бұрын
Where did he said that ?
@JRMason-ri4ii
@JRMason-ri4ii 21 күн бұрын
@@natashakuzmanoska9656ESPN has an agenda against Luka, even now most of their narratives are about Kyrie. And while I 100% think Kyrie deserves the praise he’s getting, it’s CRAZY that they aren’t doing any Luka focused segments like they do with Kyrie. They BOTH deserve praise.
@anovaguy
@anovaguy 21 күн бұрын
Did you see that dunk by ANT? It almost won the series alone
@PutXi_Whipped
@PutXi_Whipped 21 күн бұрын
Remember last week when ESPN was picking the Wolves to beat the Celtics in the Finals? LOL ESPN is looking for excuses to hate the Celtics. It’s embarrassing at this point.
@TheGarciaKidd
@TheGarciaKidd 20 күн бұрын
They do not hate the Celtics as much as they hate the Mavs.
@Nice-sm5hr
@Nice-sm5hr 20 күн бұрын
This is about the Mavs, no one gives af about the Celtics.
@PutXi_Whipped
@PutXi_Whipped 19 күн бұрын
@@Nice-sm5hr Reverse that and it’s actually true. LOL
@bordermaniac
@bordermaniac 20 күн бұрын
oh my God windy calling that shot “Traveling” is the most ridiculous thing in the world. Anything Luka does windy will oppose that , that is getting ridiculous. even x community notes corrects tweets saying that
@TheGarciaKidd
@TheGarciaKidd 20 күн бұрын
They look so sad Dallas is up 3-0
@ireqsavagevocaldinosaur5795
@ireqsavagevocaldinosaur5795 21 күн бұрын
I can't wait until Lively gets the green light to shoot his 3 ball. Hope he's okay tho. GO MAVS
@coltranecobain9883
@coltranecobain9883 21 күн бұрын
Are they not watching the great defense being played on KAT by PJ Washington? This guy along with the rest of the mavs get no respect!
@Rocketram007
@Rocketram007 21 күн бұрын
He is playing great defense but KAT is 7ft tall and PJ is 6"7'. He shouldn't be completely neutralised. He needs to stop shooting 3s and take him into the post.
@hittkid6312
@hittkid6312 21 күн бұрын
yeah it looks like KAT don't know how to deal with a guy that has faster feat than him and can beat him to his spots. Most his shots looks unbalanced and rushed.
@Tophergr8
@Tophergr8 21 күн бұрын
​@@Rocketram007PJ tends to do well guarding bigger players in the post. He frustrated Chet last series.
@kraw3026
@kraw3026 20 күн бұрын
Is it great defense or is KAT missing shots
@Tophergr8
@Tophergr8 20 күн бұрын
@@kraw3026 well, considering Dallas has had the best defense in the league since the trade deadline, I think we know which one it is. Especially since KAT is the self-proclaimed GOAT Bigman shooter--what a joke
@nicholaseaster58
@nicholaseaster58 20 күн бұрын
Fat Luka > Tatum > Oxygen Mask Antman
@WesJenkins518
@WesJenkins518 21 күн бұрын
Windy is a fool
@user-tw8bz4gl3o
@user-tw8bz4gl3o 21 күн бұрын
BRIAN " the Pinguin " WINDHORST say the LUKA treyyy in game 2 is a TRAVEL... Last two minutes say its not, but according MR. Pinguin its a travel
@TheGarciaKidd
@TheGarciaKidd 20 күн бұрын
Stupid penguin
@LL-iy7bg
@LL-iy7bg 20 күн бұрын
Respect to you Brian Windhorst and Tim.The only show which start with giving credit to the Mavs and not looking for excuses way Minnesota papis lose.
@leagueleaders
@leagueleaders 21 күн бұрын
MacMahon is huffing some serious Mavs copium.
@nonya8966
@nonya8966 21 күн бұрын
But but but, ANT the next MJ and the wolves the best defense ever. The media is clueless and always so quick to crown the next GOAT. Oh well, we'll sit back and wait for your next big fail. 😂😂
@ashamsthomas2490
@ashamsthomas2490 21 күн бұрын
Windy just won't admit he's wrong, will he? The more I watch this podcast, I like Bontemps more and hate Windy. Keeps interrupting ppl all the time
@JonathanWoodall
@JonathanWoodall 21 күн бұрын
Both Tim and Wendy have this kinda pompous aura, which is why Dallas fans kinda hate Tim. But at least Bontemps tries to be fair
@PGBVBY
@PGBVBY 21 күн бұрын
Mavericks are a the #1 CLUTCHEST TEAM this year McMahon what are you saying…
@EvXXL97
@EvXXL97 20 күн бұрын
This has become my favorite sports podcast. Thank y’all for the hard work yous guys put in
@EC52811
@EC52811 21 күн бұрын
MISTAH BETTER THAN TATUM WITH 26 POINTS, -9, AND 5 TURNOVERS IN A MUST WIN GAME LMAOOO😭😭
@nazdalaan
@nazdalaan 20 күн бұрын
ANT’s 22yrs old, his future’s ahead of him.
@PutXi_Whipped
@PutXi_Whipped 21 күн бұрын
From Hoops Empire: The Boston Celtics in "clutch" situations this playoffs (last 5 mins of a game separated by 5pts or less): * 3-0 record * 134.4 ORTG * 96.9 DRTG * 37.5 Net RTG * 3.33 AST/TOV ratio > 63.8% TS For as much as the Celtics clutch ability is talked about, you'd think it's bad...
@ChrisWigal-qn6lh
@ChrisWigal-qn6lh 20 күн бұрын
It’s AMAZING how much Brian DIDNT get INTERRUPTED on this pod with no USWB. 👍
@user-ys4og2vv8k
@user-ys4og2vv8k 21 күн бұрын
I am very worried about Lively's injury, he is one of the key players for the team, it will be difficult without him. 😧
@clarence4173
@clarence4173 21 күн бұрын
LMAO AND Y'ALL PICKED MINESOTA TO WIN THIS SERIES. DON'T GO OVER NOW ON THIS SIDE. 🤡
@carsonkahla9162
@carsonkahla9162 21 күн бұрын
50:55 KP was an efficient post up player his final year in Dallas, but at that point no one cared
@humanperson111
@humanperson111 21 күн бұрын
i love the st. louis hawks talk 😂😂
@nathanblackburn6221
@nathanblackburn6221 21 күн бұрын
Coach of Wolves is the Deer in the headlights!!!!!!
@tharcisse7103
@tharcisse7103 20 күн бұрын
Energy levels on this podcast would've been totally different if the Wolves were up 3-0. Windy looks more drained than Antman.
@kauffmann101
@kauffmann101 21 күн бұрын
Mavs always a dark horse as used to be
@Bloodhound114
@Bloodhound114 20 күн бұрын
The Fase of the league will not be down 0-3
@jamiljohnson9766
@jamiljohnson9766 21 күн бұрын
Sun fans don't get jealous of the maverick
@OmarJames
@OmarJames 21 күн бұрын
hey video editor intern, you forgot to mute the sound on that clip @ 27:06 🤣🤣
@rome8180
@rome8180 20 күн бұрын
Sorry, but Lively has been the best role player in the playoffs, not PJ. With the exception of the 4th quarter of Game 3, the Mavs have been straight up bad when Lively is not on the court.
@AngelValdez-mr3fq
@AngelValdez-mr3fq 21 күн бұрын
Hey look. It's the guys that are wrong about everything related to basketball
@VicThorin0
@VicThorin0 21 күн бұрын
🤣
@nonya8966
@nonya8966 21 күн бұрын
Exactly
@jordonford9434
@jordonford9434 21 күн бұрын
THEY DONT KNOW NUN & ITS FUNNY LMAOOO
@lakritz1987
@lakritz1987 21 күн бұрын
That’s not fair
@Traktorzbrki
@Traktorzbrki 20 күн бұрын
Word
@bren226
@bren226 21 күн бұрын
Lively 100% suffered a concussion but unlike nfl, nba players aren't getting hit on the head every play so it's likely that he comes back sooner than later
@solidsnake7167
@solidsnake7167 20 күн бұрын
You literally have zero clue.
@MorningSovi
@MorningSovi 20 күн бұрын
Imagine nba players reading the comments like how they watch RDC skits 😭😭😭😭😭😭
@seandart4729
@seandart4729 20 күн бұрын
Distracting to listen to Windhorst when every :15 seconds he’s saying “ummmm, you know ….”
@johnsmith-ut8dq
@johnsmith-ut8dq 21 күн бұрын
Don’t jinx us windhorst and macmahon
@MustermanMax
@MustermanMax 21 күн бұрын
windhorst thinks he knows the rule better than the l2m guys
@Krac2A
@Krac2A 19 күн бұрын
A fan defending the L2M, I'll be damned. No but seriously, he traveled. That's the NBA so no surprise.
@user-rf3ug1hd1q
@user-rf3ug1hd1q 20 күн бұрын
21:21 I think you’re remembering Dallas Tyson.
@alexandrebittencourttande3264
@alexandrebittencourttande3264 19 күн бұрын
Guys,,, we've seen this before. It doesn't matter if KAT is a super max player. You have to do what's best for the team! If he's gonna be upset that's his problem. The NBA is hard, who knows when the Wolves will have another chance at the title again? At this time of the year you have to go all in no matter what!
@nicholaseaster58
@nicholaseaster58 20 күн бұрын
The Grant Williams Finals 😂
@Luismolina12
@Luismolina12 20 күн бұрын
La máquina Pelton
@ianr1318
@ianr1318 20 күн бұрын
Bob Pettit reference😃
@gdot21st16
@gdot21st16 21 күн бұрын
I’m glad Kyrie Irving didn’t take that needle. He would still be in Brooklyn.
@Mrjvc163
@Mrjvc163 20 күн бұрын
Ant was never better than Tatum. Tatum is more crisp, more complete, more decisive and has better shooting. Ant will get there next year but he has to have a stacked team around him for his lack of playmaking to be offset.
@willzeller8933
@willzeller8933 20 күн бұрын
the 1 seed record is 154-2 in the NCAA tourney. 3-0 teams are 154-0. The pacers and the wolves are due.
@455LT1
@455LT1 21 күн бұрын
I own a '24 Ram Limited Elite. I'll be honest, its the best looking and highest quality high end 1500 interior but I hate amount of controls in the screen. I'd much rather have full physical climate, camera and heated/cooled seats controls. It's very annoying to use them in a pinch.
@sidoniomarscalle9828
@sidoniomarscalle9828 20 күн бұрын
OKC and SGA getting major shade. That series was not 5 wins to one as Windy claims.
@matthewking4098
@matthewking4098 20 күн бұрын
I love Bontemps, but this is a better show with Pelton
@lakritz1987
@lakritz1987 21 күн бұрын
KAT is fumbling his bag big time right now
@jorgemelendez377
@jorgemelendez377 20 күн бұрын
There are two powerful things in play here. One for the league, specially with this new 2nd apron coming into play next season: the Celtics are proof that you can develop your own talent and make it successful (specially if they win this year). Two: the Celtics beat the Mavs by 28 with the new Maps players on March 1st. Yes, it was the regular season, but don't lose sight of this.
@drewbreezy5854
@drewbreezy5854 20 күн бұрын
What is the betting line porzingis comes back in the finals and gets reinjured in the finals? I would guess the odds are favorable.
@iguesss
@iguesss 21 күн бұрын
Jaylen Brown Finals MVP
@vandalissimus
@vandalissimus 21 күн бұрын
Well it certainly ain't gonna be Tatum
@solidsnake7167
@solidsnake7167 20 күн бұрын
Much like Steph did in 2022, Luka is gnna show that Milquetoast Tatum who the real superstar is. We seen this same old boring story from Boston before, they’re going to get pumped by Luka and Kyrie. Or I guess just hope for both of em to get injured like the rest of their opponents
@scottipippen6935
@scottipippen6935 20 күн бұрын
You do know the Finals MVP goes to the best player of the winning team, do you?
@vandalissimus
@vandalissimus 21 күн бұрын
Reid was playing with much confidence? The dude was missing free throws in the clutch.
@nilescooper4216
@nilescooper4216 21 күн бұрын
Who’s the better athletic big: Jaxson Hayes or Dereck Lively ?
@solidsnake7167
@solidsnake7167 20 күн бұрын
Jaxson Hayes sucks
@kennguyen8038
@kennguyen8038 21 күн бұрын
Lakers refused to trade for Kyrie to team with Lebron and AD is a big time messed up.
@aronnov
@aronnov 20 күн бұрын
"if Kat just shot average...." the wolves are shooting 45% on wide open 3's this series.. the mavs are shooting 33% on wide open threes way below their average... so how about if mavs just play average it doesnt matter what KAT does.
@carsonkahla9162
@carsonkahla9162 21 күн бұрын
Greatest shooting big man was in the building last night, in the stands watching some clown who can’t back his talk up.
@SK99900
@SK99900 21 күн бұрын
Luka FMVP Incoming
@Alexodeya6925
@Alexodeya6925 20 күн бұрын
Where is bontemps ?
@vandalissimus
@vandalissimus 21 күн бұрын
"Even Conley has been doing it" Just stop it. Without Conley it would be a 30 point blowout each game. Hr is more impactful than Amt
@jean-mariepincemin8710
@jean-mariepincemin8710 19 күн бұрын
Lively is gonna be to Luka what Capella was to Harden, Rockets' times.
@jimwight4100
@jimwight4100 21 күн бұрын
Who's the MVP now? Reshuffle the MVP votes.
@rayndeigh
@rayndeigh 20 күн бұрын
Ahh please don't have highlights with audio while people are talking
@botosh
@botosh 17 күн бұрын
The Oilers evened the series last night. Go Oilers!
@salmark9080
@salmark9080 20 күн бұрын
Windy you were wrong about everything
@VeeKinn3000
@VeeKinn3000 20 күн бұрын
Kyrie and Doncic elite duo while Who's better...Brown or Tatum?...the hate is real.
@DrJF_YT
@DrJF_YT 21 күн бұрын
The correct answer to the lefty finisher question is De’Aaron Fox
@ty101ty
@ty101ty 20 күн бұрын
They've already crowned the Mavs for doing the same thing as the Celtics and not as good. What a joke
@jasonau427
@jasonau427 20 күн бұрын
This is almost enjoyable without Bontemps.
@mrimpala11
@mrimpala11 21 күн бұрын
Did anyone on this pod pick the Mavs??? Nope!!! Everyone can stay on the other side of the Mavs street.
@rufarowarinda3799
@rufarowarinda3799 21 күн бұрын
There are a loooooooot of excuses being made here for Dallas and why the Celtics beat them down so much hahaha!
@slimydog8946
@slimydog8946 19 күн бұрын
Poor ESPN is making these dudes work late hours and are obviously super tired. It's messed up.
@whatinthewatt
@whatinthewatt 20 күн бұрын
He didn't travel. Shame on you Windy for not knowing the gather step rule and yet you call yourself an NBA Analyst? SHAME!
@zarxik259
@zarxik259 21 күн бұрын
Ant talk trash to early, MJ and Kobe talk trash, when they were Champs.
@nilescooper4216
@nilescooper4216 21 күн бұрын
Lively is the 2.0 of his mentor Tyson Chandler
@salperez730
@salperez730 20 күн бұрын
I feel bad for Rudy Gobert. He's getting beat up on defense and then they trash talk to him. Plus He has no offense, its not the greatest idea to put him on courtin this series. Naz Reid should get the start!
@jhonquel
@jhonquel 20 күн бұрын
But but.. remember Kyle Kuzma don't want to..
@NoNoNo12322
@NoNoNo12322 20 күн бұрын
James harden is left handed
@jgates9786
@jgates9786 21 күн бұрын
The Dallas Mavericks are an incredible Basketball team, and there's absolutely nothing they can't do. It's too bad their fans, particularly the ones that frequent shows like this one, make it so hard to root for them
@Lucas-ys7qq
@Lucas-ys7qq 21 күн бұрын
So now he’s Un-banned MacMahon?
@NemoElohemi
@NemoElohemi 20 күн бұрын
WHO banned Mcmahon?
@seandart4729
@seandart4729 20 күн бұрын
Windhorst is wrong; it’s not a travel. By the rules, not sure why he was so confident.
@parkerC1990s
@parkerC1990s 21 күн бұрын
Have yall been right about one thing since the playoffs have started? Mavs making yall eat your shiddy words. 😎🐎🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@danieldotan7760
@danieldotan7760 21 күн бұрын
Ant is him. Luka is more than him
@memetherapy
@memetherapy 20 күн бұрын
That wasn't a travel. How can you comment on the NBA for a living and still not understanding how gather steps work?
@Davidstone568
@Davidstone568 20 күн бұрын
If lively is out rest luka and his injuries. Luka can come back and close it in 5 and the role players can play wo luka
@saiwaqa2573
@saiwaqa2573 21 күн бұрын
Its a gather step his footwork was perfect. As a mavs fan i cant stand mcmahon talking on the mavs. We are happy but you are still banned.
@rell8855
@rell8855 21 күн бұрын
Kyrie just like LeBron are left handed but shoots right handed
@VLAD_P_
@VLAD_P_ 19 күн бұрын
What they are doing with Ant now is the same as they do for their love child Lebron , it’s always his teammates who need to step up & do more . AD & now KAT . They always need more help , the fact is that if ANT is who they say he is , then he needs to do what Luka does & take over a game individually. He didn’t even do that VS the Nuggets , disappears in clutch time , same as Lebron . Michael Jordan is the opposite to that .
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